Do you agree Ross should begin steps to withdraw from Northland Library?

Latest post Thu, Nov 12 2009 2:30 PM by gordonpm. 13 replies.
  • Wed, Oct 28 2009 3:51 PM

    Do you agree Ross should begin steps to withdraw from Northland Library?

    Ross commissioners have approved Northland Library’s 2010 budget, but they also plan to discuss withdrawing from the regional institution. Do you agree ross should begin steps to withdraw from Northland Library? [Read P-G story.]

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  • Thu, Oct 29 2009 10:24 AM In reply to

    • mrsb
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    Re: Do you agree Ross should begin steps to withdraw from Northland Library?

    No, I firmly believe that the members of the Ross Township Board of Commissioners have a responsiblity to provide access to library services.  The issue of membership in Northland Library has been a bone of contention for Ross Township Commissioners ...forever. I feel that the decision to leave is more political than financial.

    This facility is much, much more than a recreational facility. It is an educational facility!  It provides computer services, far beyond what the Ross Community center provides.  The circulating volumes of books, story time, discussion groups add and enhance the community...making it a great place to buy, live and raise children. It also provided North Hills School District students a source for research on a wide range of topics that is much closer to home than the Carnegie Library system.

    Let's get beyond neighborhood issues and think collectively for all people in the North Hills.  To lose this valuable assett, the Northland Library, would be like losing a neighborhood fire station. Have we forgot the lessons learned in school --  that to read is like reaching into the future.  It sustains us and makes us better, more informed citizens. It is for the future of our children that membership in this library is essestial.

     

  • Thu, Oct 29 2009 10:57 AM In reply to

    • mns
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    Ross should absolutely withdraw from funding . For one thing, Northland Library is located in McCandless and with more development going in out that way on McNight Road, is more likely the Ross residents wont want to go there. Why raise taxes for something that is not being used by Ross residents. $415,078 a year, are you kidding me? Put that issue on the next ballot.

  • Thu, Oct 29 2009 5:22 PM In reply to

    • rama
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    Re: Do you agree Ross should begin steps to withdraw from Northland Library?

    mns:
    Northland Library is located in McCandless...
     

    Barely.  You can practically throw a rock from Northland and hit Ross.

     

  • Fri, Oct 30 2009 11:12 AM In reply to

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    Re: Do you agree Ross should begin steps to withdraw from Northland Library?

    Not from my house....And you'll be the first one complaining when they have to raise taxes...Thats a lot money. An anybody can still use that place if they want.  Also, there is the North Hills-Shaler Library, on the good side of McNight Road, that we dont give cent to. 

  • Fri, Oct 30 2009 4:48 PM In reply to

    Re: Do you agree Ross should begin steps to withdraw from Northland Library?

     Where are you getting your information that the library is not used by Ross residents????  And so what if the library is in McCandless, it is still a public library for all...even the city residents.  Do you not shop in McCandless because the stores are in McCandless???  Rethink your comment above.

  • Fri, Oct 30 2009 5:20 PM In reply to

    • cld217
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    Re: Do you agree Ross should begin steps to withdraw from Northland Library?

    I don't understand your argument about Northland being located in McCandless. Northland services residents from Bradford Woods, Ross Township, McCandless, Franklin Park, Marshall Township and West View (who gives zero funding despite many residents using the library). Are you saying that Northland should only be available to residents of McCandless because that is where it is physically located? And I would love to know where you found information that Ross residents do not use Northland Library. Perhaps you should read Northland's 2008 Annual Report to recieve more accurate information, which shows that Ross residents do, in fact,use the library.

    The point you are attempting to make about construction on McKnight Road is completely off. Many of us do not even have to go near McKnight Road to access the library. Have people in Cranberry stopped using public places such as a library because of the development in that area?!

    I find it appalling that you make such weak arguments with completely inaccurate information. I am thankful that a portion of my taxes go to an outstanding library. Perhaps you should visit Northland to see the wonderful programs and services offered to the above-mentioned residents. There is outstanding programming for children and young adults, as well as many wonderful services and program for adults. You would hard pressed to find the library's parking lot empty or near empty. It would be a huge disservice to cut funding to the library. During these difficult economic times people are relying heavily on public libraries to provide free entertainment for themselves and children, the use of the Internet for free and services such as assistance with writing resumes. Maintaining adequate funding for libraries is essential.

  • Tue, Nov 3 2009 9:53 PM In reply to

    • Kate11
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    Re: Do you agree Ross should begin steps to withdraw from Northland Library?

    Ross apparently wants to withdraw from the library for budgetary reasons, but it has to give a 4-year Notice before it can do so.  Thus Ross would still pay its $400,000/year for 4 years and any savings would not alleviate the Township's budgetary problems.  In 4 years, the economy will be on the upswing and Ross will be short on library services (and no...the Carnegie system will not pick up the slack just because it's inconvenient for us to pay).

    Ross Township's $400K constitutes approx. 20% of the Northland Library's current annual budget.  Added to the 6-7% budget loss the library already suffered due to decreased funding from the state, the departure of Ross would be a crippling blow.  The library would have to cut hours, jobs, and many of the vital learning programs it currently offers.  We would lose the free grade k-12 tutoring; the free college tutoring ;  the free computer classes to improve job qualifications; the free job hunting and research center; the free space that often acts as a community and cultural center; the free access to market research databases for small businesses; the free books, movies, audiobooks, and other resources for adults and kids; etc., etc., etc.  There is too much to describe in this post.

    If you don't think supporting our students, our job hunters and our small businesses is all that important, let's follow the money.  On average, our family visits the library once a week.  The books, videos, games, music CD's, and audio books we borrow would probably cost us $200 per week if we had to buy them.  The money we save is the money we can spend in stores - mostly in Ross Township.  Let's follow the money some more:  Consider that Ross Township was one of the communities which founded the Northland Library in 1968. Over the last 5 years, RT spent around $400K/year.  If this figure holds adjusted for inflation and is fairly constant through time, we are talking about $16,400,000 principal investment over this time period, an investment RT wants to walk away from in order to save the relatively low continuing payment of $400,000; or 2.4%  of the investment we have already made.  That investment is reflected in the quality of life we enjoy in the North Hills, our stable and healthy real estate prices, and the school system those taxes support.  Remove the libary and all of those will suffer.  It reminds me of the story of Esau, who was hungry after a bad hunt and traded his inheritance and rights as first-born son for a bowl of lentil soup.  The younger, smarter brother was Jacob.  He went hungry for a night, but won the life he wanted in the long run.

    The economy will pick up once again and in 4 years when Ross Township is no longer obligated to contribute to the Northland Library, we will all look back at this unfortunate idea as a desperate act by shortsighted people willing to give away all our futures for an anti-tax slogan that would cost us far more than it ever might save.

     

  • Wed, Nov 4 2009 8:21 AM In reply to

    • mns
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    Over $400,000 a year is too much money ...And all the reply posts who oppose me, none of you admit to living in Ross Twp so I have to assume you live in McCandless.. Its very nice over there, I have nothing against your community, but is your real fear that you taxes would have to be raised to make up the shortfall?  Thats what I think You all ready enjoy lower taxes than I do. See the county web site.

    But hey,  we live in the greatest democracy on earth, no need to argue here, so lets put It on the next ballot:

    A) Should Ross Township tax payers continue to contribute $417,000 a   year to the Northland Library and raise the property taxes

    B) Reduce funding to the Northland Library so property taxes remain the same amount.

    Let the people decide.

    In the mean time enjoy lower taxes and our contribution.

     Finally, you all make good points, and they are points well taken. I will not read or respond to anymore posts on this forum.

    Happy Holidays to all

  • Tue, Nov 10 2009 12:19 PM In reply to

    • rama
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    Re: Do you agree Ross should begin steps to withdraw from Northland Library?

    mns:
    Its very nice over there, I have nothing against your community, but is your real fear that you taxes would have to be raised to make up the shortfall?  Thats what I think You all ready enjoy lower taxes than I do. See the county web site.In the mean time enjoy lower taxes and our contribution.
     

    It's a shame you aren't reading this thread anymore.  I think you have a very poor understanding of how your taxes or mine are actually affected by the library's budget.  You saw $400,000+ and freaked out.

    My taxes would barely go up for this.  That is certainly not the problem.  I do, however, resent leeches, which is how I regard people who use libraries but do not bother to pay towards one.  That would be what you were advocating with withdrawing from Northland but using Shaler-North Hills Library.  And I am pretty sure that Shaler's taxpayers would feel the same way.

    I'm also curious where on the county website you were looking to get the tax rates.  So far as I have seen, McCandless has higher taxes than Ross overall.  We pay slightly less for town real estate taxes (1.5 mils to Ross's 2.0541 mils), but we more than make that up with the school district real estate tax (18.99 mils for McC to Ross's 16.5).  The Earned Income Tax for the towns and school districts is the same (.5% for both of the towns, .5% for both of the school districts).  The local services tax is $52 in McC and $47 in Ross.  So if you're paying more in taxes, it must be because your per capita tax is higher?  McCandless charges $10 per year per person over age 21--I couldn't find Ross's rate, or if they even have one.  (There's also a business privilege tax in McC, but that only applies to businesses.)  So out of all the taxes I could find, McCandless has *slightly* higher tax rates.  So your information about us having those nice lower taxes?  It was wrong.

    So frankly, it's not about the taxes, which by the way works out to a *WHOPPING* $13 per year for Ross residents.  You can't even buy a trade paperback for that anymore.

     

  • Tue, Nov 10 2009 2:29 PM In reply to

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    Re: Do you agree Ross should begin steps to withdraw from Northland Library?

     You couldn't be more wrong.  Just because it's located in McCandless (right down the road from Ross) doesn't mean we shouldn't support it.  It's the North Hills only library and it's worth paying for.  It's a great resource for children and adults.  Nothing in this world is free, just get used to it.  I'm more than willing to pay to have a good library in our neighborhood where my children can get books (for FREE) and I can go to study or take my kids to a storytime or whatever.  Don't be so short sighted.

  • Tue, Nov 10 2009 2:31 PM In reply to

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    Re: Do you agree Ross should begin steps to withdraw from Northland Library?

     Good side of McKnight Road????  Are all of you people kidding me.  I cannot believe that anyone is in favor of not supporting a local library.  It's a LIBRARY!!!!  Kids can go there and read books, adults can go there and read books.  You can take books home for FREE.  You can become more educated and well rounded by reading books.  It's close to home so for people who are busy and work all day it's easy to get to. 

  • Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:18 PM In reply to

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    The following is an email i sent to Lana Mazur yesterday morning.  She has not responded.  Her comment that the Norhtland Public Library is a "recreational benefit,"  shows just how out of touch she is.  Norhtlan Public Library provides much more than a recreational outlet for its users.  Lana, you need to get out an talk to your constituents.

    Dear Lana: 

    I just read an article in the PG Online about Ross Township commissioners crafting a referendum question asking voters to decide whether or not to discontinue support of the Northland Public Library and I am appalled. I can’t believe the township commissioners would EVER consider such an action.  I’d like to know how the idea ever came to be considered by the commissioners.

    I’ve been a librarian for 31 years in both public and academic libraries.  I know how important public libraries and the services they offer are to the community, especially during difficult economic times.  Northland Public Library is an essential service to the people of Ross Township and paying $415, 000 per year to support the public library is a bargain. 

    The Board of Commissioners should be embarrassed to even entertain such a plan and I will vote against any referendum that suggests the township remove support for Northland Public Library.  I hope the board will reconsider this whole idea.

    Sincerely,

    Denise Novak - Ross Township

     

  • Thu, Nov 12 2009 2:30 PM In reply to

    • gordonpm
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    Re: Do you agree Ross should begin steps to withdraw from Northland Library?

     Wow - you are really out of touch aren't you??? Do you not use the hospitals because they aren't located in Ross or go to North Park because it borders other townships???? (not to mention that McKnight Road has a K in it - which you might know if you used the library). The library is a COMMUNITY resource and that community is the North Hills. The North Hills is made up of many townships.

    I am a lifelong resident of Ross Township - that is 45 years. I have grown up in this library since it was first located in Ross Township. My family and I felt no ill will when a newer, more advanced building was built which happened to be located in McCandless.

    It is nice to know that we always have tax dollars to cover sports venues as well as the state of the art stadium located in the North Hills School District but that we are arguing about a resource that can enrich our lives. As mentioned by my fellow supporters to this column, the library provides many things to many people of all age groups. The commissioners need to do what we elected them to do and figure out a budget that includes the library!!!!!

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