What library?

Latest post Wed, Nov 18 2009 1:20 PM by norcider. 115 replies.
  • Fri, Oct 9 2009 12:55 PM In reply to

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    someone:

    blckngldbun11:

    Again, as I have stated in prior posts, you all seem to be missing the main freaking point- THEY ARE CLOSING LIBRARIES! In case you don't realize it, that is a BAD THING. I don't care about politics and budgets and all that other crap, although I do know that they are essential to run a library. HOWEVER, indirectly our city is asking for help, and as its' residents, we should step up to our task, not bicker about what people do at libraries or what organizations do what. Who cares? I can guarantee you that the patrons of the soon to be closed libraries do NOT.

    So the patrons don't care about the budgets, and the budgets are essential to run the libraries.  Without the budget to run the library, you have to cut library staff, materials, and services.  That can include branches.  Do you see the problem here?  You're getting involved too late in the process.

     no i understand that, really, I do...I may be young, but I'm not stupid. My post was regarding all the bickering back and forth about why and who is to blame. There are a lot of things, people and reasons we can argue about, but it really doesn't seem to solve anything.

     

  • Fri, Oct 9 2009 2:03 PM In reply to

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     blckngldbun11,

    As a Beechview resident I share your frustration. Funding is only part of the answer though. Incompetent and bloated management seem to be at least in part responsible for the problems. Should we really just throw money at them so they can maybe keep one additional branch open and then give themselves yet another undeserved raise?

    I for one would rather make any additional funding contingent on management forgoing raises and giving up their leased Infinity at the very least!

  • Fri, Oct 9 2009 2:47 PM In reply to

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     They should not be given one more dime until they can show what it is going for.  They have been asking for money for years and yet have a $55 million capital campaign fund they haven't touched.  What exactly is that money for?  Can't that be used to make up any shortages in the budget for the upcoming years. 

    The administration wants everyone to carry the cross for them with state and local officials yet, the plan was always to 'rightsize'.  Are they all of a sudden going to stop asking for the additional funds now that the 'worst-case senario' has occurred?  Why ask/plead for funding when this was in place from day 1? 

  • Fri, Oct 9 2009 3:16 PM In reply to

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     "They have been asking for money for years and yet have a $55 million capital campaign fund they haven't touched.  What exactly is that money for?"

    Brand new libraries in: Brookline, Northside (2), Homewood, Squirrel Hill, East Liberty. Libraries that have ultimately increased in circulation and visits, lowered utility bills (green building), improved technology and provided jobs to local contractors. Should they not replace crumbling infrastructure? I thought that was the city's thing.

  • Fri, Oct 9 2009 9:57 PM In reply to

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    For what it's worth here is an official response from the Library posted on their blog:

    http://blogs.carnegielibrary.org/future/2009/06/22/news-release-june-22nd-2009

    The IRS Form 990 provides a static snapshot of numbers for a calendar year, but does not provide the context for those numbers. Salaries reported on Form 990 reflect those paid in a calendar year. For example, when a new person is hired (or leaves) midyear, only the portion of his or her annual salary paid during that calendar year is reported. Overall, salary increases follow a natural progression and are based on job requirements and responsibilities as well as the skills and experience of the incumbent. The assumption that the Library pays females less than males to perform the same job is incorrect. The numbers reported for contracted services also cannot be accurately compared without context. Many of the contracted services reported on Form 990 are for architectural services for building projects. These numbers fluctuate depending on the various stages of projects occurring in a given year. Also, several companies have similar names, so closer examination reveals that the contractor who was paid $189,129 in 2006 is not the same contractor who was paid $1,780,000 in 2007. Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh carefully examines and monitors its expenditures in all categories. Especially during times of decreasing revenues, the Library is diligent in stewarding its resources wisely. Salaries and contracted services are among the many expenses that are being reviewed as the Library continues to look for ways provide necessary services within a balanced budget. Comments provided by CLP Directors of Finance, Human Resources and Communications

  • Sat, Oct 10 2009 7:00 AM In reply to

    • Trixie
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    It seems ironic that the group of "Directors" that signed this statement are some of the most overpaid and oversee the most bloated departments.  In reality they do the absolute least for the public.  Frankly, CLP's Communications department is worthless.  Does an organization such as CLP really need someone to send out emails?  They do if it's Mistick's daughter's best friend.  This type of cronyism is rampant and not one of the people that benefit  from these overpaid office jobs ever have direct contact with the patrons.

  • Sat, Oct 10 2009 11:22 AM In reply to

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    It's glaringly obvious that that there are two very serious and distinct problems, and these aren't based just on what has been written in this list.  

    The first is that the library has a legitimate cash problem given its current operating structure - not enough cash to maintain the current level of staff and facilities and related operations (shipping, etc.)  

    The second is very glaring lack of trust or faith in the library's senior management and board by the library staff.  The overall questions seem to point to both the capabilities of those making the real decisions, as well as the reasons why they would be making them in the first place.

    That issue, serious as it is, threatens to overshadow the very real and present issue which is to try and formulate a plan/program to save the branches or as many as can be from being shut, and avoiding the parallel crippling reduction in hours and services that are also in the plan. With that will also come restoring some of the positions being cut.  After that, maybe then it's time to see if this institution is structured and managed in the best way.  Maybe it's time for a complete re-thinking of both the library's board and administrative structures in this day of outside non-municipal funding (the RAD isn't an arm of city or county government) and the library's board isn't answerable to any constituency; like the $40,000 original obligation, it too is a throwback to the 19th century.

  • Sat, Oct 10 2009 2:51 PM In reply to

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    PrimeCut:

    They should not be given one more dime until they can show what it is going for.  They have been asking for money for years and yet have a $55 million capital campaign fund they haven't touched.  What exactly is that money for?  Can't that be used to make up any shortages in the budget for the upcoming years.

    Capital funds by definition are funds that are spent on fixed assets.  That means they are used for the purchase or renovation of buildings, land, large pieces of equipment, and other items that are going to remain as tangible assets and which fall outside the normal operating budget of the library.

    If your non-profit or corporation is spending its capital fund to cover its operating costs, you are in deep trouble.  That's a very bad sign.  The capital fund is not a rainy day fund--it's the fund you use to get the large items you need and to handle the renovations and building and restructuring tasks that are a necessary part of any organization's physical structures not degenerating into a pile of rubble that completely wipes out their ability to function without massive, immediate help from outside.  In other words, a stitch in time saves nine.

    Furthermore, using that money to hide an operating shortfall just leads to a GIANT problem when the money runs out.  The problem can't be hidden anymore even though the budget looks the same (which people don't understand), you've now depleted a second fund which was supposed to stop a second problem from occurring and must now beg for an extensive amount of money to repair physical structures, not just to run the actual libraries, and it looks like you are completely inept at managing any money because you have used funds to cover things the money shouldn't cover.  (I'm not sure if there are legal problems with capital funds being spent on operating costs, but I know if that's how an organization had been handling their funds, I'd be suspicious and very leary of donating to them.)

    So there are some legitimate reasons why you would want to keep your capital funds separate from your operating budget.  As to what the money is going for, I believe each library has a budget that is public.  If you were to sit down with someone who understands library budgets, they could probably explain CLP's to you.

    There is also a pdf available at www.clpgh.org/future/FundingOutlook.pdf that generally explains where CLP gets its revenue and what its expenses are and why the revenues are expected to drop (state funding, RAD funding, and funding from individuals and groups) while expenditures will be difficult to keep down (growing health costs, increase in costs of books and materials, increasing utilities costs, longterm leases, etc.) You may find this useful to look at to see what the basic problems facing libraries are.

    So it's a combination of things.  I don't work for CLP (even if this post strangely sounds like it.)  I don't know if the closing of branches is actually because of the budget changes, or if it is part of the right-saving you mentioned, or even if it is the right decision.  I do know that if you look at the source of projected revenues and projected costs, it might be clearer why libraries are concerned about meeting their operating costs.  One year at a loss can be endured and scraped through, but a trend of several years is extremely problematic.  Looking at the nice pie charts, eliminating completely the salaries of Dr. Mistick and the previously-mentioned-by-other-posters IT Director and one or two of the other members of administration would be a drop in the bucket for the money needed.  (Whether or not seeing those personalities go would be a nice change, I have no idea.)

  • Sun, Oct 11 2009 10:38 PM In reply to

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    Re: What library?

     Let me start this post by introducing myself. I am a staff member of the scheduled to close CLP-Lawrenceville location, so to say my interest in this issue is immediate would be a profound understatement.

    I have been reading this forum all this week and I want to offer my thanks to other self acknowledged library staff for providing information of which I feel the general public often to be ill-informed, e.g. RAD, the District Library, operating funds vs. capital funds, etc. Staff have known for many years that one key to a library savvy public is educating them about exactly what the library is (and what it isn't), how it does what it does, and how this information relates to them as users.

    I also want to offer my thanks to those individuals who have made the many intelligent and thought provoking posts. Many of the inherent financial, organizational, and logistical problems in the library system are well known to staff, whom often share their frustrations with the public and vice versa. It is very reassuring for staff to know that there are people just as aware and attentive standing on the other side of the circulation desk.

    One aspect of this issue that I think is important to keep in mind is the extreme uniqueness of the relationship between the library and each individual user. This has a great impact on the actuality of library use, the tangible results of which can be seen in things like operating costs per capita and core statisitcs (visitor counts, circulation, computer use hours, program attendance, etc.), in other words the numbers used as a measure of a location's vitality. The uniqueness of the relationship also has an impact on that individual's perception of what the library is and what it does. The relevance of the library to each individual depends on how much that individual uses the library and for what purpose.

    Some perceive the library as a free computer lab, while others have no desire to touch a computer. Some perceive it as a babysitter, while others never leave their child's side as they explore the shelves. Some check out non-fiction on subjects from A-Z, while others live by the gospel of the NY Times fiction best seller list. There are once daily, once weekly, once monthly, and yes, even once yearly users. Judging by the expiration dates on some library cards I've seen, there are even a few once in a decade users. In other words, the spectrums of frequency of use and type of use go from one extreme to another.

    Consequently, the individual perceptions have not only determined, and will not only determine, the cold hard numbers used to decide the futures of library locations, but those perceptions already have determined, and will continue to determine people's level of knowledge of the facts and their desire to be informed, their emotions and reactions, and their ability to comprehend the library in a way beyond their own use.

    Consider the following:

    On Monday, the day before the announcement of the closings, there was a public rally at the Main Library in Oakland. One of the rally organizers had posted a sign in my location on Saturday informing people of the rally. Many people that day and again on Monday, some of whom visit the library multiple times a week, and whom have done so since the start of the public awareness campaign earlier this summer, saw the sign and with an incredulous look on their faces, and surprise in their voices, asked staff members "Are they thinking about closing this library? Why? When did they decide that?"

     

    In this case, how does one reconcile this perceived lack of awareness with the actuality of being a frequent visitor? (and on a personal note: Can you feel my frustration as a staff member through your screen?) Don't they seem contradictory?

    I think this illustrates very well what I mentioned above regarding the vast spectrums of frequency and use precisely because of the contradiction. The range of library experiences, and therefore the range of attitudes and levels of understanding, are so specific to the individual that this even this type of contradiction could exist: that someone could be in the library for hour upon hour each week and never see, hear or comprehend the environment they are in, nor the information made available to them. Processing this type of information was deemed not relevant to their library experience, so, it wasn't processed. Can you see the kind of difficulties involved with tyring to cast an informational net large enough to catch everyone equally?

    There are so many angles from which to tackle this issue, so many lenses to look through, and there's so much information to process besides. There's the Board of Trustees, the administration, the staff, the politicians, the community leaders; there's the individual locations and their statistics and demographics; there's geography and topography. And then there's the issue of money; how much, how to spend, where is it coming from, who should it come from, who shouldn't it come from. There's history involved too, concrete (literally), cultural, social, and personal.

    Now imagine the spectrum of users. How does person 'a', with their unique experience digest all of this, if they are able, as opposed to person 'b' and their unique experience? What are the resulting opinions and are they similar enough to reach a consensus which then can be communicated to the necessary people?

    Worse still, imagine how difficult it is for the library staff and administration in making the attempt at distilling this morass into anything resembling a coherent narrative with which to approach the public in the first place.

    The idea of this post came out of a conversation I had with a customer in which I expressed the difficulty I have had of first trying to present to people what I feel is the most relevant pieces of information about this issue; second, trying to weed through it and organize it myself as I present it; and third knowing that a lot of it may not stick because of the level of library experience of the person I'm talking to.

    I came to realize that I was focusing too much on trying to make people see too many things at once, that it was my way of venting instead of actually informing, and that what was getting lost in the specifics was the original message of public awarness of the problem of library funding and sustainability.

    That's what it's all about. I encourage everyone to stay focused on this message. The remaining issues (and there are many) can, and will, be dealt with once we can be sure our libraries aren't going anywhere.

    Thanks for reading.

    Steve

  • Mon, Oct 12 2009 1:03 PM In reply to

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     LV Steve,  Great post but you need an editor.  I have a question though, I am a Lawrenceville patron who was at your library on Saturday for all the media hooplah and I was on Carnegie Library's side, however, where was the Library administration?  Don't you have some very highly paid communication people?  I wanted to talk to one of the higher ups whose salary alone would keep the branch open.   Why were no members of the CLP administation there to advocate to the media?  Furthermore, why should I as a tax payer be interested in continuing to support this no show administration? 

    I am beginning to think the entire library board should be replaced.  Councilmen and all.   

  • Mon, Oct 12 2009 3:35 PM In reply to

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    Many of the problems that build up over time in libraries can be attributed to the lack of knowledge and participation by individual library Board's.  Too often Board members do not take an active enough role in overseeing their library.  I do not mean that a Board should micromanage, but a Board should maintain a very active interest in making sure the library is running within the bounds of its' financial sustainability while making sure the director of the library is fulfilling all of his/her requirements.

    Too many Boards allow their own apathy to set a library on the road to ruin.

  • Mon, Oct 12 2009 4:23 PM In reply to

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    Mithrandir:

    Many of the problems that build up over time in libraries can be attributed to the lack of knowledge and participation by individual library Board's.  Too often Board members do not take an active enough role in overseeing their library.  I do not mean that a Board should micromanage, but a Board should maintain a very active interest in making sure the library is running within the bounds of its' financial sustainability while making sure the director of the library is fulfilling all of his/her requirements.

    Too many Boards allow their own apathy to set a library on the road to ruin.

    http://www.bipc.com/professionals.php?PeopleID=277

    Chairperson of the Board's info/contact info

  • Mon, Oct 12 2009 8:52 PM In reply to

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    Personally I'm not interested in the CLP Board, but maybe some people need to go to the next CLP Board meeting and demand some answers to the questions they may have about administrative compensation.

    In fact anybody interested in the way their own community library is managed should go a Board meeting to find out just exactly how competent their library board may be.

     

     

     

     

  • Mon, Oct 12 2009 10:18 PM In reply to

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    Mithrandir:

    Personally I'm not interested in the CLP Board, but maybe some people need to go to the next CLP Board meeting and demand some answers to the questions they may have about administrative compensation.

    In fact anybody interested in the way their own community library is managed should go a Board meeting to find out just exactly how competent their library board may be.

     

     

     

     

     To the best of my knowledge, as I have never heard otherwise, the meetings of the Board of Trustees are not public meetings. I've also never heard of any individual (i.e. your average library patron), or community group petitioning to appear before the Board. This may or may not be possible, I just don't have any information either way.

    My personal opinion is that there should be a way for people to communicate with Board members without having to use the library's director's office as an intermediary, or without having to hunt down contact information for them since only their names are listed on CLPs website. Some Board members are elected officials, so that makes communicating concerns somewhat more accessible. Actually, what people can do more of is voice concerns to these officials specifically in their capacity as Board members.  I know people have been bombarding city (and hopefully county) council with letters, phone calls and e-mails, but most probably had no idea that some of these people were actually Board members themselves. 

    Although, maybe with all that's happened people will go to future city/county council meetings and say "Mr./Mrs. 'x', I have a question for you as a library Board member." 

     

  • Mon, Oct 12 2009 10:37 PM In reply to

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    Library Board of Trustee meetings are definitely open to the public and anyone can attend the meeting to voice their opinions, concerns, etc. The only part of a Board meeting that is private is when personnel issues are being discussed.

    If you or anyone you know would like to attend the meeting of your library Board, call the library to find out when the meeting is held and if you want to be on the meeting agenda you can petition to do so.

    If you do not get satisfaction from the Board, find out how the Board members are appointed and contact those individuals (most likely a municipalities council members) to voice your concerns.

    I guess it depends on one's level of anger as to how far one takes their concerns.

     

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