What library?

Latest post Wed, Nov 18 2009 1:20 PM by norcider. 115 replies.
  • Tue, Oct 6 2009 10:54 PM In reply to

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     But if you go back to the original intent and setup of the RAD, it was planned that the expense would shift from the city to the RAD.  The problem is really that the Carnegie is an orphan; it isn't a city dept. like in other places (which is probably better for it,) and there's no single library system in the county like there is in Ohio.  The nominal increases that the RAD has provided don't cover inflationary costs, or increased operatijg costs driven by increased usage - there's no direct cause and effect that adjusts for increased use of library services.

    On the ohter side, why is there a seperate governing body for the Carnegie and the county libraries (ACLA).  Shouldn't all the county's library's be under one funding and administrative umbrella?

  • Wed, Oct 7 2009 1:12 AM In reply to

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    First of all, I want to know where the outrage is? This is YOUR library, but the first response to these announcements has been to blame everyone and anyone except the people expected to support public libraries: THE PUBLIC. Andrew Carnegie donated money to build libraries- he rightly expected that these communities would support them. Where is the letter writing campaign? Where is the rally at the City-County building? In Harrisburg? Where are the angry phone calls and donations? No one cares until it is gone.

    Second of all, God help the city if Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh EVER falls under a funding and administrative umbrella with ACLA. When was the last time the suburbs cared even a little bit about what happened to city residents? They can't even combine two miniscule school districts without burning crosses and rioting! If you think your city library is incompentent, just sit back and watch the circus that would ensue with a county-wide system.

    Finally, Mayor Ravenstahl- perform your audit. After you spend tax-payer dollars on it, I hope you are prepared to feel like an ass and hand out some raises. It's common knowledge that local library workers are paid well below the national average.

     

  • Wed, Oct 7 2009 7:55 AM In reply to

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    My library and the librarians have been pretty aggressive in bringing the problem to light, and asking us to let local and state legislators know how we feel.  There have also been letters to RAD Board members.  In this environment we're being told that flat funding (by the RAD) is an honor and even a small victory.

    If what you (Melville) say is true about the county libraries, then why isn't there a recall or even a modest chastisement of the ACLA administration and function?  From a taxpayer's vantage point, we're paying for redundant directors and staff by having all these independent libraries, an ACLA organization, Carnegie of Pittsburgh, and the stand-alone Electronic Information Network.  That's 3 directors of 3 orgainizations all doing almost the same thing.

  • Wed, Oct 7 2009 8:01 AM In reply to

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     Amen.  I am a Beechview resident, so allow me think small for a moment.  My oldest daughter is employed at our library, and my youngest volunteers there.  I read books instead of watching TV, as do many others, who cannot afford to buy books.  Thousands of Beechview residents use the library for job searching and keeping up on what's happening to the community.  The southern/western neighborhoods of the city are have been/are getting the short end of the stick from the Carnegie Library system:  8 facilities in the north/east have been rennovated, while only 1 in the south/west has.  After these closings, there will be 11 libraries in the north/east, only 6 in the suth/west. The Carnegie Library of Beechview has been a solid rock in our neighborhood for close to 50 years, and many of us have been writing letters and protesting and so on.  Watch the crime rate around here increase, because the library is a place kids can go instead of walking up and down Broadway.  Of course, the Board conveniently waited until after G-20 to release this news so they couldn't be blamed for giving Pittsburgh a black eye. 

  • Wed, Oct 7 2009 9:14 AM In reply to

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    There is no reason:

           For Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh to have a "Creative Services" / Marketing department ($500,000)

    *Creative Services Director makes over $100,000 and has gotten a raise every year.

    (Librarians make between 30,000 and 40,000 and have not gotten a raise in years).

    There is no reason:

    For Carnegie Library to retain 3 organizations to handle technology needs:

    Questec

    EIN (Electronic Information Network)

    CLP I.T (the head of which makes in excess of $150,000 and has had a raise each year) 

    (Librarians make between 30,000 and 40,000 and have not gotten a raise in years).

    He and the the Director (Mystic) also took a CLP sponsered trip to India.  He also has allowed the Director’s daughter to use the Carnegie Library I.T. vehicle for her own personal use. 

     

  • Wed, Oct 7 2009 9:16 AM In reply to

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    What a shame!!!!!!  My children use the Beechview Library every weekend for the computer to complete school work.  We do not have the finances right now to purchase a computer and rely on the library for that main purpose.  Both of my children get books to complete book reports from the library.  We try very hard to keep our kids on the right path and encourage  them to read more but you cut our access to the library?  I do not have a car,  so for our family it is most devestating to hear that our library is going to close.   

    Shame on the City of Pittsburgh! 

  • Wed, Oct 7 2009 9:29 AM In reply to

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     In accordance with the last poster, it is a shame. Who cares who's making what?! I agree, it is ridiculous that their are staff/exec. members that are making more money than I will ever see in my life (and I work at a bank), but that is not the point! The point is that Pittsburgh is losing libraries which affects our children and my future children. Don't get wrapped up in this whole political nonsense. Look at the bigger picture- the future is slowly crumbling due to closings like these and it is OUR reponsibility to right what's wrong to the best of our ability. We can argue forever about why or who, etc. but it won't resolve the fact that cities with fewer libraries have an increased crime rate, unemployment rate, illiteracy rate, and mortality rate. So quit fighting and think of what's going to happen to our great city if this keeps up.

     

  • Wed, Oct 7 2009 9:38 AM In reply to

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    Extremely well said, Mark!

    Kim S.

  • Wed, Oct 7 2009 10:01 AM In reply to

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     I think it will be a terrible loss to any neighborhood for a library to close. I, for one, would do whatever needs be to keep them all open. As a Mt. Washington resident, I am confused as to why they would want to MOVE our library off of scenic Grandview Ave where it is bound to attract MORE new faces that happen to be sightseeing to car clustered Virginia Ave where even my 16 year old is nervous to cross the street!

    I hope the MWCDC will have some input on this.

  • Wed, Oct 7 2009 10:05 AM In reply to

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     Maybe with the money we save from closing libraries we could build more prisons?

  • Wed, Oct 7 2009 10:28 AM In reply to

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     exactly, attilla- prisons, hire more police and maybe drug and parole officers.... i guess it's good for the unemployment rate? *sigh* I'm only 25, and I can see the importance of having libraries... what is wrong with all the rich cats that makes them think that the world doesn't need these types of resources?!

     

  • Wed, Oct 7 2009 10:31 AM In reply to

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    Re: What library?

    There are many reasons that the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh and the various county libraries are not under one leadership.  The first is that they are responsible to the people and communities who fund and use them.  CLP is the system for the City of Pittsburgh.  ACLA is an organization of libraries, but the libraries within it are often their own entities with only a main branch or one or two branches.  The decisions for each of those libraries is made by their own library board.

    EIN is a collaboration between the ACLA and CLP libraries to provide technology services to all the libraries in the county.  EIN combines the libraries' buying power to get much better deals on Internet and technology services and computer leases.  It also means that instead of every library having to employ IT and cataloging specialists, that is done via EIN.  That said, there are some technological things that still need to be done in-house, so some of the larger libraries still require some IT staff of their own.  (Oh my gosh, yes, an entity as large as CLP would require 5 IT people of its own.  I don't think you realize how many computers and scanners and printers we're talking here, and EIN support is pretty much all off-site.)

    Each library is a very unique beast, as is the community it serves.  I'm a librarian at a suburban library, and I can tell you that the questions I am asked and the materials I buy differ significantly from what a friend of mine buys in Oakland, or another librarian buys up in Tarentum.  Since the VAST majority of my library's funding comes from the local municipalities that fund my library, those local municipalities expect to exert more control over my library than, say, you.  That is reasonable, I think.  That's the model funding formulas were actually attempting to encourage in recent years--more local funding and interest in libraries. 

    Unfortunately, there are a number of areas that simply are too poor to support their libraries fairly this way, and there's also the City of Pittsburgh, which is the cheapest son of a gun I have EVER seen at funding its library.  (I'm from a rural area in another state where the constantly-impoverished city of 30,000 there provides half of the funding that Pittsburgh does to its single library.  Come on, Pittsburgh!)  That's why RAD funding and state funding are so important.  (Not that they aren't to my library--we squeeze every little dollar--but they are definitely moreso when they're pretty much the only money you're going to get.)

    As for ACLA, CLP, and EIN doing the same thing, that's incredibly inaccurate.  Libraries work with a lot of different organizations and also work together a lot.  There are something like 43 different libraries in the county, plus all the CLP branches.  My library alone ships over 1 million of our items every year to and from other libraries, plus checking out our own materials to our own patrons, putting on programs, answering reference questions, teaching computer skills, and providing meeting and study space.  I go home at night and do more work that I couldn't fit in at work.  So while the rank and file staff at the libraries handle all the day-to-day stuff, the directors handle running each library and coordinating, and ACLA handles coordinating the libraries and various programs that are non-library specific.  They also handle some of the continuing education programs that all library staff are required to take (6-12 hours per year, depending on your position).  CLP is huge enough and has its own funding and branch structures and needs that trying to combine it with the other libraries would be disastrous.  (Having all the libraries work together and compromise to combine their holdings records into one catalog and work together under some basic rules in EIN has been stressful enough because there are some HUGE differences in needs and expectations between small libraries and large, and rural libraries and urban.  Putting them under one roof will steamroll some section of the county's needs, just as people are concerned that the five branches that CLP is closing now are not necessarily the "fair" branches to close.)

    As to the salaries listed for the Carnegie, I'll simply say that library staff themselves have found those interesting.  What's also interesting is the dates that certain salaries shot up significantly (under the new director, some of them have practically doubled) as well as comparisons between salaries when two different genders have held the same position.

    I should also add the qualification to this post that trying to explain library funding makes people cry.  It's extremely complex, with each library having different revenue streams, and the state having certain budget requirements to receive state funds at all.  Unless you actually sit down and talk to a director of a particular library, I don't promise you'll have that library's funding explanation correct. :P

  • Wed, Oct 7 2009 11:09 AM In reply to

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     couldn't have said it better myself, melvilledewey. The public needs to get on it. As I mentioned in other posts, I'm working on getting my company involved. Maybe if some other companies got involved, there's a chance to save the libraries.

     

  • Wed, Oct 7 2009 12:27 PM In reply to

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     The Canegie Library of Pittsburgh used to be for the PEOPLE now its for the Money.  The only reason why they are closing the library is because the Director has made it her mission to "consilidate" .  If a libraries location such as Hazelwood can't bring investors/money to the table then they are not worth keeping.  I think an audit is a good idea,  it will show how much the director makes along with her perks a free Blackberry etc.

    The message CLP and the City of Pittsburgh are sending the people of Hazelwood is that it is not worth investing in because it can't give anything back.  The message we are sending the children of Hazelwood is that they will lose everything they ever care about.  They took away the pool, their schools and now the library.  Instead affluent neighborhoods within closer proximity to the MAIN CLP get to keep their place. 

    If the Steelers, Penguins and Pirates care for our city maybe they can help.  Or may Heinz or PPG or any of those other money making businesses in the area could step up to the plate and help save the neighborhood libraries.

    If we allow CLP to close Hazelwood,  news reporters will kept busy reporting stories of increased crime, drug use, and dead children. 

    Lets not let that happen!

  • Wed, Oct 7 2009 3:08 PM In reply to

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    Does anyone have specific salaries of the top administraters? 

    IT heads and PR heads make good money, do little all while still alienating the staff. 

     

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