Are you concerned about emissions from the Imperial Landfill in Findlay?

Latest post Sun, Sep 6 2009 10:39 AM by greenourair. 20 replies.
  • Mon, May 4 2009 9:40 PM In reply to

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    Re: Are you concerned about emissions from the Imperial Landfill in Findlay?

     This obviously is a very touchy subject that pushes peoples buttons!  The bottom line is the fact that this is impacting grade school aged children.  People need to stop yelling at each other about jobs, the DEP, cancers and take care of the problem.  Landfills are all over the country and all over our area.  Do you hear about these in the news?  If they are operating properly the smells are drowned out.  The fact is this Imperial landfill has grown over the years so that it is very close to the elementary school and therefore the smells are drawn into the building when the wind blows in that direction.  NOONE should be subject to foul smelling air as they are trying to learn or teach.  Lets leave the methane and cancer-causing emissions out of this for the moment - who wants to sit all day (especially little children) and smell this?  They have no say in this and don't know why it smells in their school.  Some have accepted it and think school is supposed to smell like that and others don't smell it because their olfactory nerves have been deadened.  The DEP has determined from their air monitors that the smell is coming from the landfill - not cars, not airplanes, not perfume.  The school superintendent, the school principal and the teachers are all taking the stand that the smell needs to be contained and not fill the school with terrible odors.  The children are the main concern.   Yes, people are concerned about everyone's health and safety. But the children need our protection and voices in this matter.  You can't compare the adults who took jobs at the landfill to little children being subjected to smelling this.  The adults who took the jobs at the landfill did so with the knowledge they would be working with some hazardous materials.  And quite frankly they probably smell the smells less because the crazy wind around here blows it north south east and west!  We must look forward and try to take care of this in the best way we can.  The landfill people have been at the meetings and are working with the health dept, the DEP and the school to try to fix this.  Landfills are a fact of life - to sut it down would not help - they will be extracting methane for 40 or 50 years from a shut-down site!  Noone wants that and once abandoned the government EPA would have to step in and try to contain it - we don't need that!  The bottom line is WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THE AIR QUALITY AT WILSON ELEMENTARY SAFE FOR OUR CHILDREN WHO ARE OUR FUTURE!!!!!    

  • Wed, May 6 2009 11:17 PM In reply to

    Re: Are you concerned about emissions from the Imperial Landfill in Findlay?

     I agree that shutting down the dump does NOT solve anything!  However, the safety of the kids, staff, and residents NEEDS to be a priority!  Maybe the landfill could purchase the elementary school and any adjoining property.  This way the district could move forward with buildind a new elementary and the dump could put their business office where the elementary now sits.  It may be a win-win situation for all! 

  • Thu, May 7 2009 5:17 PM In reply to

    Re: Are you concerned about emissions from the Imperial Landfill in Findlay?

     Agreed! Everyone is concerned about proving the unsafety of the dump, but it should be they need to prove safety! They have admitted to be at fault for not properly maintaining it, who's to say this won't happen in the future? I don't want to hear 10 years later, by the way that stuff your kids were breathing for 6 years causes cancer! I have to be precautious and protect them. I'm not saying everyone who breathes this will get cancer or other ailments. I am saying it could add to all the other environmental toxins or find those with weakened systems to attack.

    The governmental agencies involved should have been involved long before more complaints began. The tests that have been done have been at insufficient levels to test for hazards. For example, hydrogen sulfide is one of the major concerns. DEPs equipment can't detect that gas until it reaches 80ppm (parts per million) and .003 is the recommended Minimal Exposure Limit. So they can't say it's safe or unsafe, they say undetectable. It could be 79 ppm, or even 10 ppm.

    Please share your concerns with the township. Not to yell, not to storm, to rationally discuss options they have. Tom Gallan is running for re-election. Ask him what can be done. Plead our cause. The meeting is May 13, check the Findlay website. They have said something will be done if numbers of people are concerned. If you are concerned, take action!

  • Fri, Jun 12 2009 11:52 AM In reply to

    Re: Are you concerned about emissions from the Imperial Landfill in Findlay?

     The Center For Disease Control is issuing a formal letter based on all the testing that has been done. Basically, it is hard to prove any long term damage use they haven't done any long term tests and it will take too long. They are releasing a statement that probable harm may be caused. Is that enough for you? There is a chance your kids may get sick from it. It's enough for me! I took bottled water to Petsmart that had been opened and left in my room, closed. It had high levels of amonia and who knows what else they were unable to test for. What exactly is in the air we are breathing? We will never know.

    Wake up!

  • Fri, Aug 7 2009 1:03 PM In reply to

    Re: Are you concerned about emissions from the Imperial Landfill in Findlay?

     

    I am the parent of a Wilson Elementary school student.  Not unlike many of you, my first reaction (albeit a foolish one) to this 'landfill business' was an indifferent one.  My thoughts surrounding the whole affair led me to a false sense of the problem...that our kids school is next to a stinky garbage dump...and sometimes garbage stinks.  It wasn't until looking at the history of air quality violations and perusing literature regarding the apparent toxicity of landfill gasses that I became increasingly concerned.  I have been involved with this situation since the winter of 08-09 school year, attending meetings organized by our community, meetings organized by the landfill and meeting organized by concerned teachers.  For every meeting I have attended, I have come away less and less reassured for my childs health with concern to long-term exposure to components of landfill gas - many of which are known carcinogens.  When I bring this concern up to related agencies, I am told that my child is in no immediate danger or that there is no immediate health risk.  Even the DEP was careful to note in some of their reports that their studies were not conclusive as to assure the lack of health risks pertaining to long-term exposure to these chemicals and compounds which were detected.  Even when the landfill isn't in compliance, they are afforded every opportunity to become compliant and have failed to do so.  Many well-meaning persons have reported on the 'odor violations' that exist without making reference to the most pertinent issue at hand...what that smell consists of.  I recently heard a rather prudent analogy from a clever trusted friend that goes something like this..."If you accidentally stuck your hand in dog poop, would you be most concerned with the smell or with the contents of the aforementioned poop.  Imagine the health risks involved with ignoring the presence of pathogens and health risks associated with dog poop."  Now apply that to this situation.  This isn't about the smell…in spite of the fact that when the dump can be smelled off-site of its present location, they ARE in violation of air quality regulations.  One of the leading members of the landfill's team tried to reassure me that the levels of benzene (only 1 of the detected carcinogoenous chemicals at the school site) were the same as you would find in shoe polish.  His statement did not reassure me when I was cognizant of the fact that I would never let me child sniff shoe polish on a daily basis for 6 hours a day.  I would most certainly expect that their would be adverse health effects from doing so.  You can get more information regarding the health risks associated with landfill gas from the US Department of Health and Human Services at  http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/landfill/html/appc.html#2  and benzene in particular at http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts3.html#bookmark07.  Please note that benzene is just one example of the slew of dangerous compounds detected on the school property.

    More recently, we were also told the smells are due to the, “Airport leaking jet fuel.” This is just ludicrous! The dump has been smelling for years but there is always an excuse whether it be fog, barometric pressure, wind, and now the airport!
     
    I would like to take this time to appeal to all of you to please give this email a second thought and consider meeting with some of us.  I contacted a group called Citizens for Pennsylvania's Future at the start of the current year and asked them for their advice on the situation.  They have corresponded with me numerous times since then and were initially inclined to advise us to give the landfill owners a chance to work with enforcement agencies.  They have been following the progress (or lack thereof) on the part of the landfill owners and agencies involved and are now advising that we seek a legal solution.  I have since been in contact with a law firm that they recommended and am expecting a visit from the attorneys on August 4th.  The details of the meeting will be forthcoming as soon as I get an idea as to the attendance.  I will have to hope that some of you will be in attendance so as to become better informed as to your legal rights concerning the risks that your children face.  If anyone has any questions or would like more information, please do not hesitate to ask.  I will forward the information.  I am confident that this is the right thing to do.   I would like to add that one of the most common things I hear from parents who are not involved is that they never smelled anything when they picked up the kids at carpool.  I can attest to the fact that the incidences of daytime odor were not nearly at potent as the evening occasions.  I was at Wilson many evenings throughout the school year for extracurricular activities.  One evening the smell was so potent, it didn't even smell like garbage.  It reminded me of sulfur or some other chemical.  Upon opening the door of the school to go out to our car, we were aghast at the level of intensity.  Had I not known that there was a dump next to my daughters school, I would have most likely related the smell to something much more sinister than just stinky garbage.  It is just such a smell I am being told by experts that is emitted by Landfill gas, which is extremely dangerous in any amount.  The largest levels amount to most immediately a risk of explosion, the smaller levels relating to long-term exposure risks.  I have not desire to fabricate or exaggerate such claims and would much rather get on with my own private life and responsibilities as a full time mom, university student and part-time day care provider.  
     As I type this, I am reminded of the meeting in which one of the DEP reps informed us that the enforcement agencies are limited as to the amounts they are allowed to fine the dump for each violation.  I will tell you that the dump was cited for a violation unrelated to air quality in which they allowed trucks to dump into their site without weighing them.  Under the law, they must weigh each truckload.  They chose instead to risk paying the fine, because it was to their advantage to do so.  The fine (although substantial to us) was a mere fraction of the monies they made from allowing the dumping to continue.  I imagine the same holds true for the air quality fines they receive.  To them, it's just a drop in the bucket.  I guess 'money talks' is more effective if it is substantial enough.  That depends on all of you and how many people we get involved.  Please help rid our community of this dangerous health hazard. Let’s clean up our air, not cover it up!
      

  • Sun, Sep 6 2009 10:39 AM In reply to

    Re: Are you concerned about emissions from the Imperial Landfill in Findlay?

     The pungent odors are worse than ever! Out of 10 days of school, 9 have had smells detected. Now the leachate have leaked into our sewer systems and contaminated the water. Do not drink the water! Get bottled water.

    Please report odors each and every time you detect them.

    The dump has grown larger than ever. When the school first opened, dumping occured 8 miles away. Now it is occurring less than 2,000 FEET away. We should not have to be exposed to these hazardous smells in our community.

    The DEP is concerned with the levels of hydrogen sulfide and are currently testing them. We have several high profile visitors in the next two months to report on this issue further.

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