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re: One on one with Matt Clement

Gladiator_Pride — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:15:56 GMT

Sorry, I thought the elite conversation was interesting and relevant...but to get back on track...

Keep in mind have nothing vested in Butler athletics and don't know Matt Clement from anybody. There is a big difference between a D1 school "recruiting" a player and a D1 school making an offer. I went back and re-read the story from the Sunday paper online and I don't think Mike White misrepresented anything. He named schools that may have showed interest but just said "He had some Division I scholarship offers". I don't think Clement nor White need to make any retraction. Recruiting or showing interest can be as little as one form letter with no follow-up ever.

I'm of the opinion that the point is moot as far as him getting the job. So what if he did or did not receive a scholarship offer from a particular school over ten years ago?

Sure, all school boards are political. Where's the blog post about the situation at West Mifflin? Mike? Colin? I think that topic would offer up a lot of comments.

There's been a few good articles, but you can't comment on PG articles (that's too bad, maybe that's something the web folks should look into).

re: One on one with Matt Clement

dontbotherme — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:14:04 GMT

Bobbi Jean - thank you for clearing the air and reminding us as to what the real issues are regarding this matter. We all got sidetracked, but only because of bad information being posted here that needed to be addressed. It's misinformation like that as well as misinformation in the Mr. White articles about Mr. Clement being offered those D-1 scholarships in basketball from the likes of Pitt, Duq., Robert Morris,& Bucknell which as you state is totally inaccurate. My guess is that it's an attempt to divert attention away from his inexperience as a basketball coach save for 2 years as a 4th grade coach. I'm a little stunned that Mr. Clement hasn't had Mr. White put in a retraction regarding those basketball scholarship offers, being that the Bible, in addition to giving 3,000 reasons for remaining grounded, also states Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness.

re: One on one with Matt Clement

Whistle Pig — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:04:16 GMT

BJ ...I do think you're getting closer to some kind of point. But with only inklings, self-proclamations that you know more about Matt than Matt, and inuendo that there was some mysterious mastermind of th hardwood just dying to come and extricate Butler from what we finally agree, is chronic medicrity.

But to cry foul about the Board being political in its appointments is like complaining that grass is green or yogurt is filled with bacteria. That's what School Boards are. Political bodies elected by the polity to make choices for them. And when the polity doesn't like the choices, do something about it. Run. Vote 'em out. Share the facts of the case.

But at least in the latter, all you've done is whine about what your elected reps have allegedly done in hiring what virtually all perceive to be a coach of exceptional character, in love with and loyal to his community when he could afford to live anywhere in the world, with coaching experience in the recent system (altho you somehow believe that persons coaching younger youth are somehow less qualified to coach older youths when many would say that is THE most challenging and important place to have stellar, knowledgeable coaches), played and started on Butler's only stellar team in the past 60 years, and then went on to become a professional athlete absent of steroids and peccadillos.

My God, what do they want?

Prbly a screamer and coaching hobo who'll come for a few seasons, maybe get a few wins, decide like many, Butler boosters are spoied-sports and the dying town is a haven for drug trafficking where the best kids prefer to be in the school musical ...and discover that North Allegheny pays more, lots more, and off they go.

Of course the Board is political. EVERYTHING is political. Tells us something new, please. But quit dragging a good man and his appointees in the mud with winks, raised eyebrows, and allegations that you somehow know all Coach Clement's collegiate offers from nearly 20 years ago.

How about Eddie Vargo? Did he have any offers to catch for anyone besides the Butler Bluesox in Pullman. If you want to bellyache about boondoggles and politicians, start there. At the heart of Butler's economic revival. Jeesh!

re: One on one with Matt Clement

Bobbi Jean — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:12:28 GMT

Sorry I can't resist jumping back into this maelstrom. Here's the deal, we're not debating whether or not Butler is an elite program --it doesn't matter--we're not talking about who all the D-1 players were that played at Butler--again it doesn't matter--the crux of the issue is this...

The Butler School Board selected Clement for the position before interviewing anyone, and tried to slip this hire in the back door. The school board opened the position up ONLY after Clement retired. Can't anyone else see this??

They were hoping that coaches who were actually qualified for the role, wouldn't apply , so they could somehow prop this selection up. It's shady back room dealings, and now you know why Butler has not won, or is not an elite program, it's decisions like these that have contributed to its demise. Whistle--you are proving my point why Butler is mired in mediocrity, they are afraid of winning. THe school board would rather have a nice guy and a guy they can control and be .500, than hire the RIGHT guy for the job.

And lastly, Clement didn't start Varsity until halfway thru Jr season. And he was NOT offered scholarships to Pitt, Duquesne and Robert Morris. Lafayette yes, Pitt no. I know for a fact. It's the public relations machine spinning out of control...Pretty soon we'll read an article from Mike White that says he turned down UNC to go the the Padres. It's just not true.

re: One on one with Matt Clement

Gladiator_Pride — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:50:08 GMT

Another word on "elite" teams/programs, it is my opinion that such a title can be revoked over a period of time due to lack of winning. For instance, the University of Miami football program had some very lean years. They lost some of their mojo.

Speaking of mojo, look at Permian High School in Odessa, Texas of Friday Night Lights fame. Sure they have a lot of history and tradition and for a lot of their history they would definitely be considered an elite program. However, they've fallen on hard times as of late and have actually hired back Gary Gaines, the coach of the FNL season. No one familiar with Texas HS football would have considered them elite for I'm guessing 5-7 years if not longer.

Then, you have teams on the cusp of elite status but just can't get past a hump. For instance, out of District 4, look at Selinsgrove football. They have been dominant in the 4-AAA scene since at least 2004, have undefeated seasons, won district titles and advanced in states. However, they can't seem to get past the WPIAL (and TJ in particular). Now, their community supports them feverishly and thinks greatly of the program as they should. They should be proud of what they've accomplished the last few years.

The problem is that most people associated with an "elite" program don't have these distinctions. Their feeling is "once elite, always elite" and tend to live in yesteryear. That's where Butler comes in.

OK, so the program has had some success in the past. I don't profess to have a lot of knowledge about the traditions of the school. What I do have is facts in the form of numbers. From last year back to 2001, you have one playoff appearance and the following records: 7-14, 13-9, 12-12, 14-10, 11-13, 10-14, 7-17 and 7-17.

That's not elite. That's not even good. It's mediocre. I say give Coach Clement a chance.