Liberals are too nice

So, I write a blog about the Steelers game (last posting) and then the crowd responds by personally insulting each other. I know this was in part a continuation of the previous conversation, but how did we get there from the Steelers game? And you folks are probably not even from Cleveland or Baltimore, so you don't have an excuse.

Oh well. If you had been with me at noon time in PG+, you could have commented in real time on Jack Kelly and I debating the tea party and Joe Wilson's remark in the joint session of Congress.

Jack is of the moral equivalency school - the Dems in their criticism of Bush were no better or worse than the Republican criticism of Obama. I don't buy that at all.

Oh sure, there were plenty of leftist rat-bags saying bad things about Bush but they were hardly representative of most liberals who have no taste for turning up at public forums to yell at people. If liberals had a tea party, they would serve tea and cookies and they would wave nothing more threatening than a teaspoon.

I believe the angry tea party people are far more representative of the right than the Bush haters were of the left. Far more. In fact, it's Jack argument that they are a large and significant force that cannot be ignored.

The far left was such a pipsqueak presence that it couldn't even get Nancy Pelosi to sign on to impeach Bush (for the record, I opposed it too).

No liberal ever went to a Bush rally wearing guns to bear intimidating witness to their views.

No liberal member of Congress called Bush a liar to his face from the floor of Congress despite the fact that the guy was a political Pinocchio - and don't give me the malarkey that Bush was shouted down in his state of Union addresses. For my sins, I watched every last one of them and all I heard was some common or garden catcalls and booing. No, Joe Wilson plumbed depths no liberal member ever did.

And although a fuss was made by Democrats when George H.W. Bush addressed the nation's kids, school districts didn't join in on the act of dissing the president, as the likes of Upper St. Clair and Fox Chapel did recently.

Hatred of this president is above anything seen in recent years, and that's the fact of the matter. You can almost hear the social fabric tearing.

I think most liberals understand this, but most conservatives, or so it seems, do not. Or, more frightening  still, they don't care.

Far from being the stereotypical angry types of right-wing fever dreams, liberals as a group are far too nice - and it's not always helpful to their cause. They are predisposed to give people the benefit of the doubt. Their first instinct is to compromise. While they like ideas, most don't have a taste for endless confrontation. That is why liberal talk radio is pretty much a failure. It's not that their arguments are weaker - it's because there isn't the same mass audience for anger.

Obama himself is the perfect example of the nice guy liberal tendency. He has made one compromise after another in order not to offend people whom he hasn't yet figured out will always be offended by him. He is not a socialist, he is a pragmatist. Even now, when it's plain to see that the Republicans have no interest in helping him in health care or anything else, he extends the bipartisan hand of friendship.

By the way, liberals are not only nicer but also make better lovers, but I have already given you Reg-ulators enough fodder that you can now denounce me instead of each other. Denounce me (and each other) with civility please. If Jack Kelly can do so with me, anybody can.

 


Posted Sep 14 2009, 04:05 PM by Reg Henry

Comments

callsigntourist wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Mon, Sep 14 2009 4:47 PM

If we give Joe Wilson and everyone for whom he is a hero the benefit of the doubt, accepting that they are sincere in their belief that “You lie!” was appropriate in the circumstances, what does *that* say?  

It says they value nothing, identify with nothing, beyond what they want right now.  It says they care nothing for the traditions they dishonor, or the precedents they set.  For them, there is no history to be proud of, no future to worry about.  There is no one else to think about.  There is no “America” for them.  There is only them.

With no pride, no traditions, no sense of history or responsibility for what will come, no other values, they call themselves conservatives.  

The only thing they want to conserve . . . .  

little_minx wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Mon, Sep 14 2009 5:08 PM

"...you could have commented in real time on Jack Kelly and I debating the tea party..."

Copy editor!!!

Ladyburg wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Mon, Sep 14 2009 5:15 PM

You are getting your "hatreds" confused there, Reg.

Those on the left hated George Bush. They criticized every little minute thing he did or said. They hated that MAN with a PASSION.

Those, both left, right and independent, hate Obama's POLICIES not necessarily the man (or as the Dems. like to keep reminding us - the black man.)

The liberal's first instinct is to compromise? You are kidding, aren't you? No, their first  and only instinct is to revert to nam-calling, character-assination, family-bashing and setting out to totally destroy those who stand in their way. Latest victims: Glenn Beck and Joe Wilson.

If Obama wants to work with the Repulicans concerning health care, why isn't TORT reform and being able to purchase insurance across state lines, not on the table?

The left couldn't get Pelosi to sign on to impeaching Bush  because she knew they had no real ground to stand on.

Maybe things just sound a little louder to you now because the MAJORITY of Americans are being more vocal. I know you libs. like to think and say you are the majority and that the conseratives are a dying breed but we are seeing proof that it just isn't so.

To anyone who disagrees he repeats "WE WON" (and we'll do whatever we want. If THAT is his "extended bipartisian hand of friendship" then he should have left his hand in his pocket.

little_minx wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Mon, Sep 14 2009 5:20 PM

ladyburg

To anyone who disagrees he repeats "WE WON"

You're quoting Bush/Cheney after the 2000 Presidential election, right?

myreply wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Mon, Sep 14 2009 6:41 PM

Reg:

Good day to you.

Oh my goodness, where to start.  

Let me say that Jack's argument that the Tea Party people "are" a large and significant force that cannot be ignored, is held by me.  If you are the leader of the free world, how do you ignore millions of people?  Why would you want to?  During Bush's admin. I had hoped to see people take to the streets, much as they are now.  I believe we are seeing a culmination of years of politicians "not" listening to us.  We, the people, just want to be heard - we want to matter.  We will not be ignored.

I will not debate on the fact that you think liberals are nicer.  It's a silly thing to debate about, and really not worth the keystrokes.

You say "hatred of this president is above anything seen in recent years".  I will speak for myself here.  I don't hate Obama.  Hate is a very strong emotion.  What I will tell you is that I don't care for his politics, I question the people he surrounds himself with, and find his arrogance akin to self worship.  I fear for his childish belief that "If I'm nice to you, you'll be nice to me", approach to defense.  I think his skin too thin.

You say you "can hear the social fabric tearing.  The weave has been very loose for a long time Reg.  I don't know if it will ever be the eden we would all like it to be.  You know, as I do, that we, all of us, have come a very long way.  And you also know that the only way to continue to travel on this road, is to stop seeing evil at every corner, color at every fork of the road and hatred where there is none.  

You say that Obama is a pragmatist.  I must admit that I don't know yet what he is.  Is a label so important?

I only know that I want him to hear the American people; all of them, not just the ones who voted for him.  I want him to acknowledge that everyone matters.  I want him to prove to me that there really aren't red and blue states, but only one United States.

Maybe then we will all be heard.  Maybe then we will all matter.

Forgive me for taking up so much space.  I guess I wanted to be heard - to matter.

callsigntourist wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Mon, Sep 14 2009 7:08 PM

myreply:

You are all over the P-G site and I used to wonder why you rarely gave this blog your best stuff.  

You have raised the “just want to be heard” argument more than once.  What then?

If we are all heard, and we all agree, we move forward.  If we do not agree, how, in your view, do we, collectively, *ever* move forward?  If we are heard and do not prevail, must others stop so that we may be heard again?  For how long?  Until we are satisfied?  What of those who are by that dissatisfied?

What do you think the process should be?

Toadsly wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Mon, Sep 14 2009 7:27 PM

Reg's right, liberals do make the best lovers!

While conservatives are mulling around waiting to be properly introduced, liberals are already canoodling and producing children! That's why liberals smile incessantly, will always outnumber conservatives, and, eventually, inherit the earth.

Ladyburg wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Mon, Sep 14 2009 11:48 PM

Libs.might want to think twice about producing those kids.

If they inventually inherit the earth,who in the heck is going to pay for all those social programs that enable all those single mothers.

Toadsly wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Tue, Sep 15 2009 9:12 AM

"If they [liberals] inventually inherit the earth,who in the heck is going to pay for all those social programs that enable all those single mothers."

Dear Ladyburg:

I'm the wrong person to answer that question -- my child was raised in wedlock!

Try Sarah Palin. Her daughter, Bristol, is an unwed, single mother.

mugsy wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Tue, Sep 15 2009 9:21 AM

Mr. Henry, I saw enough nasty slogans on bumper stickers, and I heard enough times the President being called stupid, that I think I disagree with your premise.I also seem to recall several years ago Former Vice president Al Gore as much as screamed that the President was a liar, and I think his attack was echoed by the equally angry and even more shrill (then) Senator Clinton.

Now, having pointed this out, I would also say that what Congressman Wilson did was wrong. I would also point out that he has apologized for it and his apology was accepted by the President, who is the offended party.

The notion that liberals are a nice bunch of people who just want to get along is just a bit far fetched for me.

Titan Lee wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Tue, Sep 15 2009 9:39 AM

"Better" lovers than what??

"Consequences" of that love are Pelosi, Frank, Obama, Waxman, Schumer, et al.  

A Liberal "tea party" is an ACORN demonstration, and I don't think it's "tea" in those brown paper bags.

Titan Lee wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Tue, Sep 15 2009 10:15 AM

Speaking of ObamACORN, any Liberals comments on the Senate voting to cut their funding?  Any comments on why they ever received funding in the first place?  Any comments on YOUR Senator Casey being one of only 7 to vote No.  Any comments on them being cut out of the Census?  Any comments on what the "trainers" at ACORN must be like?  Any comments at all about anything about ACORN?  

myreply wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Tue, Sep 15 2009 10:23 AM

Why have no liberals on this site commented on the Acorn tapes, the census bureau cutting them loose, Van Jones Tsargate, or the myriad of scandals affected this administration?  Why have they not asked why the rest of the Cabinet has not yet been hired?  Why have they not commented on the 1.5 million marchers on Washinton, DC this past weekend?

Do they feel that if they don't talk about it - it will simply go away?  Or is it that they don't have any answers?

myreply wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Tue, Sep 15 2009 10:28 AM

Today in the Celebrity Cipher there is a quote of some importance.  I cite it here because, after this weekend, and this long, hot summer (politically speaking) it bears citing.

"You climb to reach the summit, but once there, discover that all roads lead down.   Stanislaw Lem

Perhaps to his great dismay, our president understands that now.  Perhaps he might take some time and look at other routes.

myreply wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Tue, Sep 15 2009 11:08 AM

Titan:

We keep asking the questions - they keep pretending nothing is wrong.

Titan Lee wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Tue, Sep 15 2009 11:13 AM

I love this paper.

Read Tony Norman's column today.  The "tea party" in DC, had 60-80,000 people.  The 1.5 million the crazy right wing propagandists are spewing was meant to compare it to Obama's inauguration.  Well gee whiz Tony, the 1.5 million for Obama were there on a WORKday, so that's not surprising.  The "tea party" was organized on a weekend.  I can't imagine what the reason for that could have been.  Never mind.  I just figured it out.  Silly me.

Ladyburg wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Tue, Sep 15 2009 12:27 PM

Let's not fail to mention that the peaceful demonstrators (all 1.5 MILLION ) of them left the city in nice shape. No broken widows or other acts of vandalism.

Oh, and there were ZERO arrests.

And don't you just love the way Tony Norman threw in those two incidences regarding Kanye West and Serena Williams, to be make himself look all fair and balanced.

Actually, most of the column was about tea parties, Jim Quinn, Beck, and Joe Wilson. You know, those right-wing nuts, that are the only ones that make up a "mad, mad, mad, mad America.

Toadsly - I wasn't asking you. Do you have any proof that Sarah Palin's daughter is a receipent of any programs?

myooz wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Tue, Sep 15 2009 12:45 PM

Reg Henry vs Jack Kelly, the PG's odd couple. Indeed "liberals are too nice". How did a humorous liberal get paired with a dead serious clone of discredited neoconservative cretin Charles Krauthammer?

Wouldn't Dan Simpson, who has genuine credentials in foreign and domestic affairs, have been the more logical choice to debate/excoriate Kelly?

callsigntourist wrote re: Liberals are too nice
on Tue, Sep 15 2009 4:53 PM

myreply:

“Why has no one commented?” and “Why has no one asked?” are rhetorical devices – neither questions nor comments.  If the matters interest you, say something about them.

Or, you could go back to the direct question I asked you further above.

P.S. – If “1.5 million” is the number you want to use, your credibility is dead.