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Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second

By Dejan Kovacevic | 1:32 p.m. Wednesday

From the second day of the Pirates' conditioning camp this morning at PNC Park ...

> Delwyn Young, almost invariably outspoken, has opted to stay mum on the team abandoning him at second base in favor of newly acquired Akinori Iwamura.

"It is what it is," Young said. "I'm going to leave it at that. I'm taking the high route."

Pressing a bit, I asked how he felt about management declaring that he would be a bench player because he had done well in that role.

"It's the flip of a coin. Seth Smith hit .400 as a pinch-hitter in Colorado, but how often does that happen? Look at it this way: Do you want one good swing a game, or do you want four?"

Young batted .266 after a brutal slump to finish his season, but he was a .316 pinch-hitter with a team-high 12 hits.

> Left fielder Lastings Milledge acknowledged for the first time that his right hand - the one that shut him down for two months early in 2009, mostly before the trade - hampered his power. But he expressed optimism it will be back at full strength by next spring training's end.

"The hand was healed, but it took a while to start getting the strength back," he said. "A lot of it's back now, and it was coming back late in the season. They told me all along it was going to take about a full year for it to be all the way back, so that would be just in time for next season."

> Pitcher Jose Ascanio, coming off major shoulder surgery, will remain limited to range-of-motion exercises for a while. He said he has had no setbacks, though, and was not discouraged by the serious nature of his injury.

"Nothing you can do," he said.

> Pitcher Craig Hansen got some good news Monday when doctors finally -- Or "Finally!" as he put it -- cleared him to begin re-teaching his arm how to throw. The nerves in his upper back have shown signs of regenerating, so he basically has to rebuild all of his upper-body strength and, slowly, gradually, work the arm and a throwing motion into it.

"Still no timetable for anything, but I'll take it," Hansen said.

> Jeff Clement, the power-hitting Class AAA prospect acquired in the Jack Wilson trade, is planning to prepare for first base and catcher heading into spring training. He would like to be invited to minicamp as a catcher -- his position of choice -- but has not yet been informed about that by management.

Clement had a strained oblique that pretty much wiped out his final month with Indianapolis, and that was aggravated on the season's final day. But he said that was now fine, as well as his long-troublesome left knee, which has been twice surgically repaired for a torn meniscus.

"I want to give myself and the team the best options possible, so I'll prepare for first and catcher," Clement said. "If my knee holds up, I'd love to catch. But I'll do whatever they ask."

This is Clement's official page.

> The conditioning camp concludes tomorrow, but today was it for media access, so there will be no report after the last day.


Posted Nov 11 2009, 01:32 PM by Dejan Kovacevic

Comments

mazfromiowa wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 1:43 PM

Firsties

radio wave wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 1:52 PM

Good afternoon inmates near and far.

OK, Drew: the spring schedule is out, start inflating those air beds and let's hear about that "spring gathering" you're planning.

I can't see Clement trying out for catcher. The team has 3 good bodies at that position, he has bad knees, and the team needs to make a decision about first base and right field. Does anyone see the possibility of Clement at first, and the Legend in right?

mazfromiowa wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 1:54 PM

DY and Moss both had their shots and now they are bench players.I still think DY got more of a chance,but the point is moot.I also think Andy got more of a chance,but that was from a huge weakness from competition.Scholarships?

JAL wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 1:57 PM

I am back.  Just had a nice lunch with Drew is now on his way to Nashville.

Spike Crain wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:05 PM

I believe in time off, conditioning, regeneration - "the wisdom of the body", as Dr. Lister (Dick Gregory's Running Mate, at SIU in the Pan-Asian Games, btw) used to say at California State - back in the day....  So, let DY come in and challenge for 2B; let Clement come in and challenge for Catcher; let Brandon Moss come in and do whatever - they're good Baseball Players.  My point is : Spring Training is a brand new season - anything can happen!

mazfromiowa wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:06 PM

I won't pencil Clement in at the Major league level till we see more of him at AAA let alone the majors.

 219 ABs- 5 HRs--28 RBI--.230

 Geez folks were howling about Moss,but at least he had a good glove.

21sthebest wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:10 PM

""It is what it is," Young said. "I'm going to leave it at that. I'm taking the high route."

Uhmmmm, oh Delwyn! That's not taking the high route.  Everybody knows that by saying you're taking the high route means you're doing exactly the opposite.  Taking the high route would be saying:

"I'm just going to keep working as hard as I can and try my best to help this team win however they ask me to."

mazfromiowa wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:18 PM

taking the high route."-------------------

That's what Lincecum did!  LOL

radio wave wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:28 PM

Mazfrom Iowa: You're on your game today.  I didn't realize that Clement had such a short MLB history, more Indy time is probably correct.

Spike, I agree with your intent on your comments, but it goes back to my post of the other day. I think the lineup/roster is pretty much set before st even starts. I doubt that any of these guys has a legitimate chance to change minds and win a starting spot unless someone is hurt.

Maz, do the Hawks have any chance Saturday?

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:29 PM

Delwynn Young......

GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JAL wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:31 PM

Oh! Ye'll take the high road, and I'll take the low road,

And I'll be in Scotland afore ye,

JAL wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:32 PM

So the question from yesterday is answered--Hansen has been cleared to start building his arm up.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:33 PM

radio wave-I have no idea.Before Sat the freshman QB had 6 snaps total in his career.Kinda like bringing a guy up from AAA to pitch the last game of the playoffs.

Groat2Maz2Strangeglove wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:40 PM

CORRECTION!  CORRECTION!!  CORRECTION!!!

98 Days Until Spring Training!!

Let's see:  February has 28, 'til leap year brings it 29 — carry the one —

98 Days!  See, it's getting closer already!

98 Days Until Spring Training!

Groat2Maz2Strangeglove wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:42 PM

Hey Maz from Muscatine,

EVEN IF THE VOICES AREN'T REAL, THEY HAVE SOME GOOD IDEAS!!

BetterDaysComing wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:43 PM

DY will still get his at bats.  He'll get time in the outfield as well as spelling Aki at second.  He can play at least three positions.  He just needs to be patient which he appears to understand.  

Nice guy to have due to the versatility.

DMac wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:46 PM

Given that DY worked his tail off to improve his fielding only to have the team get another person to field 2nd, I think he's allowed to be a little disappointed.  He could have said more along what 21 posted, but he could have said much worse also.  

I like him off the bench and as a spot-replacement, if nothing else.  He is awesome as a pinch-hitter. :-)

As for Clement, FC made it sound as if Clement could pretty much not count on catching, becaue of his knee.  It will be either at 1st, or another position  

Pgh_fan_in_NH wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:47 PM

21: I think I am willing to give DY a break. He worked his butt off learning a new position and then were told thanks, but we would rather go with Andy or Iwamura, but hey, we love you off the bench!

Thinking about RF, I am undecided. On one hand I say let Moss and DY hold it down until Tabata takes it from them. On the other, if we can get a decent bat for cheap ($5-$6M) for a couple years that has trade value when Tabata makes it up that would be fine too. Don't know if Damon or Dye fit that or not.  Sounds like Damon is out ($13M/yr 3-4 years)

BetterDaysComing wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:49 PM

leadoff,

From the previous thread, from '67 to '72 I believe Hebner, Cash, Stennett, Robertson, Oliver, Clines, Sanguillen, May, Ellis, Blass, Kison, Moose and Walker all made their way from Columbus to Pittsburgh.  Incredible influx of young talent.  It's surprising that they didn't win more than the one World Series.  

I was in Bradenton in '73 and was getting Joe Brown's autograph.  He pointed out a young player whom I didn't know and suggested I get his autograph as well because he was going to be a great player.  It was Dave Parker.  

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:52 PM

Delwyn, Delwyn, Delwyn. Take a look at all the names on the roster for JUST your organization, on the AAA, AA, A, etc. See those guys. They all would like to be where you are. Smile and say no comment. That is the high road.

Nice to know more on Hansen, good luck to him however that turns out.

The one guy who has a right to be ticked, IMO, is Moss. He won't be - I'd bet on it - at least not publicly, but man oh man did he not get a fair shot.

Groat2Maz2Strangeglove wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:53 PM

Jeff Clement has 28 total games played in 5 seasons of Major and Minor Leagues at 1st Base.  He knows he is not qualified to play 1st.

{Not even considering his .227 batting average for Indy last season!}

No wonder he wants to try Catcher!

Spike Crain wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:02 PM

Hey, Radio Wave,

  I know, you're right, buddy!  I'm just always hopeful, my Motto:  "Where there's Breath, there's Hope!"  

  Along those lines, does anybody remember a movie about the Detroit Tigers, with Roy Sheider as a mediocre or washed-up pitcher (I joined the movie in progress - late one night, after fixing a production ABEND...!), who gets re-habbed, and saves his career, by a young tom-girl with spunk and new ideas?  If I could figure out the title, I'd order it on NETFLIX - I just love movies like that!  They are so (un)like life!

21sthebest wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:06 PM

"21: I think I am willing to give DY a break. He worked his butt off learning a new position and then were told thanks, but we would rather go with Andy or Iwamura, but hey, we love you off the bench!"

That's his job.  To work his butt off doing whatever he's asked to do.  But unfortunately for him, he's mediocre at best at 2nd or in right.   So the org has an obligation to do better if they can.  Welcome to the Major Leagues Delwyn!

Bizrow wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:14 PM

I think DY should be careful, less he tick someone high up in the organization off.  People have been known to be moved for that offense.

But I understand his feelings, in fact I think we discussed that a bit when the trade was announced, how was DY going to handle the statement that "now we got ourselves 600 major league at bats."

Am not picking on him, but is it too late to get NH in a Dale Carnegie class this offseason?

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:19 PM

If Clement really can catch, at least a little, that makes Jaramillo immensely trade-able, because Diaz would be a great backup to Doumit and then Clement could be at Indy, if no. 3 is needed. (and, here it comes.....)

BetterDaysComing wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:23 PM

Can we all tap the brake a little on DY.  It's not as if he blasted the organization.  He wants to play everyday.  I want players that feel that way.  If it motivates him to play harder then that's good.  

His could have chosen his words a little more carefully but it looks to be rather harmless.  As I said earlier, he'll get his at bats.  

Cisco Kid wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:23 PM

Impressive news out of Baseball America: The Bucs have shown the door to some of their most egregious washouts at last, IE Yoslan Herrera, Denny Bautista, and Jason Delaney, as well as a half-dozen or so minor-minor leaguers going nowhere fast. This kind of house cleaning seems to presage a fair amount of activity at many levels this winter. In the past there seemed to be an inexplicable reluctance to part company with AAAA (or worse) players like these, who were way past their sell-by date.

There's been some speculation that the Bucs are in the catbird seat this offseason, as it appears the FA market is going to be even more of a fire sale than last year's, bringing an element of sanity (outside of NY and Boston) creeping back into the equation. While other teams are battening down the hatches and trying desperately to move all that overpriced payroll they acquired the last few years, the Bucs are in the rare (and this year, possibly unique) position of having tons of financial wiggle room.

The upside is that the Bucs could snatch up a number of much-needed skill and experience guys (as opposed to the mostly useless "veteran presence" types picked up in previous markets) to plug our several gaping holes, at prices unseen since Sid Bream slid over the plate in 1992.

The downside, of course, is that the ghost of Dave Littlefield will rise up and lead us to throw buckets of good money at retirement-home candidates looking for one last quick payday.

Nabbing Akinora Iwamura looks like a smart, non-Dave move, in spite of his one-year-only status (all talk from the FO to the contrary), and invites the kind of conundrum Neal keeps saying he wants to have, IE a depth problem (whether Andy or Aki packs their suitcase when Our Saviour Pedro comes down from the Mount somewhere around June). The market seems to invite more such interest-and-dare-I-say-hope-arousing activity in the weeks to come, and we are, miraculously, poised to pounce.

It's enough to make one very slightly giddy.

G-Man wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:25 PM

Re Delwyn Young's proclamation that he's taking the high road, I am lining up with those here who said he should have just kept his yap shut or said "no comment." Saying to the press he's taking the high road is a lot like a husband/boyfriend pausing too long when his lady says, "Does this dress make me look fat?"

Keep in mind, this guy had foot in mouth disease. Remember last year when he was picked up? He got on TV and said how glad he was to come to Pittsbugh where it would be much easier for him to become a starter, or very similar words.

We all were pretty much gasping at that insult to the Pirates. Just something you don't say in public.

leadoff wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:29 PM

BetterDays

From the previous thread, from '67 to '72 I believe Hebner, Cash, Stennett, Robertson, Oliver, Clines, Sanguillen, May, Ellis, Blass, Kison, Moose and Walker all made their way from Columbus to Pittsburgh.

____________________________

I see it the same way, I think it has been that long since we had talent like we have now in the system to look forward to. I only mentioned a few like Alvarez, Alderson, Tabata and Sanchez, but there are many more just behind them.

Starting to feel like the early 70's again.

WNels89 wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:29 PM

Is it safe to say Craig Hansen will never pitch in the majors again?

Bizrow wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:32 PM

Better Days Coming - word choice

So could the FO at times, choose better choice of words that is

PoH - Jarmillo, sure, we have an area of strength, if Clement can catch, I think you are supposed to be moving where you have good depth, that would be unique, from my perspective anyways.

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:35 PM

Cisco! Welcome back!

Good points, all of them. I know that this team needs to build consistency in the long run by a health, productive farm, but I appreciate Iwwy Pop being at second (even if I lost my BFF Chavey over it) because we have games to play in 2009, and I want those games taken seriously as I am already being asked to pay for my tickets, you know?

Better Days: You've been here long enough to know what's going on:

Delwyn's Comments = Asylum Drama of the Day

ok, so you know I'm being cute here, nod nod, wink wink from the girl who HATES emoticons.

Pgh_fan_in_NH wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:39 PM

@21:That's his job.

I agree with the move, I am just saying I understand why he might be upset, whether with the FO, himself or both.  Maybe he should have chosen his words more carefully, but I am in no position to condemn anyone for that fault. :)

BetterDaysComing wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:39 PM

leadoff,

Yes, let's hope so.  I recall in '71 that Hebner and Pagan both were hurt and Cash was moved to third and Stennett called up from Charleston.  All he did was hit over .350.

Kison was brought up when the rotation went through similar injury problems and all he did was become a post-season star.  

I agree that we're getting there.  

On a related note, in reference to DY's statements, I remember Al Oliver complaining because Danny Murtaugh was platooning him with Gene Clines.  To draw another comparison, he was also asked to move to CF because they wanted to make room for Robertson in the lineup.  Much ado about nothing.

CharlestonCharlies wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:42 PM

"It's enough to make one very slightly giddy."

Amen Cisco!  And for that very reason I continue to check out these comment sections every day to see if anything is happening.

Let's Go Bucs!

KMRempel22 wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:43 PM

Spike Crain---

That Roy Scheider movie is 1983's "Tiger Town."  Interesting tidbit...I lived in Detroit during the Tigers' last truly glorious season (1984)...so that movie came out one year before they won the World Series.  I was actually at the pennant winning game, and my only attendance at a World Series game came shortly after.  It was baseball nirvana to experience a season like that as a fan.  Praying it won't be my only one...

leadoff wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:43 PM

We all were pretty much gasping at that insult to the Pirates. Just something you don't say in public.

__________________________

My take on people saying what they think:

Young and most of the Pirates did not take classes on public speaking, polished with the mic in front of them, they are not, as are a lot of executives.

One of the problems with society today is we have taken political correctness to a new level.

I would rather have Young say what he thought any day rather than dance around a subject.

I like the guys that tell it like it is, whomever they might be.

BetterDaysComing wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:46 PM

Plenty,

sigh.....you're right but it doesn't make it any less perplexing!!

Pgh_fan_in_NH wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:46 PM

WNels:Is it safe to say Craig Hansen will never pitch in the majors again?

I hope he makes it back. When he first came up with the Sox his stuff was electric. I think they rushed him up way too early and he is paying for that now. I hope since he is basically starting from scratch that Kerrigan can bring him back to where he used to be. Since he is not taking up a roster spot, I say take the chance.

Bizrow wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:48 PM

Lets see, I think in 93 there were a bunch of prospects touted as the next wave, Al Martin, Carlos Garcia to name a few.  Then we've had guys that can walk on water (Hermanson) and how many other prospect washouts??

I'll say it again, expect the worst, hope for the best, this year I refuse to get all fired up about "maybes", been there, done that too many times, I'm too old for that stuff, plus it hurts when you realize that once again, it ain't happening this year.

But that being said, if folks want to start planning the ticker tape parade up Smithfield Street, ok by me (but I honestly think the nurse should cut down on the meds today)

leadoff wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:54 PM

Cisco

The Bucs have shown the door to some of their most egregious washouts at last, IE Yoslan Herrera, Denny Bautista, and Jason Delaney, as well as a half-dozen or so minor-minor leaguers going nowhere fast.

___________________________

This had to happen, Neal has so many players coming in to the system, he had no room for them.

I noticed that a lot of teams housecleaned.

Neal is definitely going dumpster diving this week, have to see what junk got thrown out!

BetterDaysComing wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:55 PM

Biz,

In fairness, the PBC had several other very good prospects at that time that would have greatly helped the ML product but they had been dealt in the name of winning now.  Moises Alou and Willie Greene are the two that come to mind.  No doubt there have been some misses but there's more to the story as well.

G-Man wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 3:56 PM

PoH -

>>ok, so you know I'm being cute here, nod nod, wink wink from the girl who HATES emoticons.<<

Interesting. Most of the point of emoticons is to convey the humorous tone in 1-3 characters. It only took you 90 chars.

I'm guessing you are NOT an engineer, are you?

I'M TEASING! Please don't pummel me with your fists or words.

Spike Crain wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:01 PM

Thanks, KMR -

  A good movie, and a great season, eh?  Now to move on to one of our own!

  Thoughts on 2nd Base: I think it's good to see Aki, Andy and DY (in that order) as the Bucs building depth there with what they have - for now.  

  I like Cisco's take on things, too - maybe there's more developing...!

mazfromiowa wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:01 PM

General managers grabbed their bags, caught a quick lunch and headed down the corridor a short distance to their flights Wednesday after their annual meeting ended in a hotel at O’Hare International Airport.

No trades were announced during the three-day session.

I'm trying to find news...cept there ain't much out there.I guess not much happening till the winter meetings in Indianapolis from Dec. 7-10.

leadoff wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:04 PM

BetterDays

Moises Alou and Willie Greene are the two that come to mind.  No doubt there have been some misses but there's more to the story as well.

_____________________________

I don't think the minor leaguers of the nineties created anything near the buzz that the minor leaguers of the 70 created. I still think the 70's buzz and the minor league talent we have now are similar in buzz. Too me it has been about 40 years since we had high end minor league talent to talk about.

Bizrow wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:08 PM

Better Days Coming

I understand, I just feel like I've been here before, and there are lots of things that can end making a sure thing, a not so sure thing, or not much at all.  I think we've called some of them AAAA players in the past.  Injuries, head cases, all sorts of stuff.  I think there were 3 or 4 touted in 93 as replacements, but I may be wrong, I probably was still brooding over the end of 92.

I hope your moniker will happen, but I expect it not to for a while, 2012-2013, there are miles to go before we sleep...

JAL wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:09 PM

This could be a good situation for DY if he keeps working.  He can continue to learn defense without the pressure of be counted on to do it every game.  Iwamura  may only be a year and then 2nd opens up again.  Just don't know what will happen.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:09 PM

Cisco Kid-Could we get a clarification(or a link) to that baseball america report?I have really gotten used to that word.

                         clarification

.

Cajun Thunder wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:14 PM

I see the NL Gold Gloves are out this afternoon. I'm waiting to see the "experts" critique of the awards. For those that haven't seen them yet...the outfielders are Matt Kemp, Shane Victorino and Michael Bourn.

Everybody's favorite outfield stat UZR/150...Ultimate Zone Rating per 150 games that trashed Nate so badly last year (-13.4). I will give the top 5...a few Pirates and ex-Pirates...and the GG winners. Minimum of 2/3 team games played.

1. Nyjer Morgan            +35.8

2. Randy Winn              +20.1

3. Colby Rasmus          +13.7

4. Raul Ibanez               +10.7

5. Mike Cameron           +10.3

6. Michael Bourn (GG)  + 8.7

9. Nate McLouth             +4.7

11. Matt Kemp (GG)       +3.2

14. Cutch                        -1.0

17. Shane Victorino (GG)-4.2

21sthebest wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:14 PM

"One of the problems with society today is we have taken political correctness to a new level.

I would rather have Young say what he thought any day rather than dance around a subject.

I like the guys that tell it like it is, whomever they might be."

Leadoff,

I don't see this as an issue of political correctness.  This is about being a team player and not focusing on oneself.  Delwyn's comments seemed selfish to me.  I'm not saying this is the end of the world, but he could have chosen his words more carefully, IMO.

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:17 PM

Maz - lol

BetterDaysComing wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:18 PM

leadoff,

In my mind the influx of talent in that period was inparallelled in the club's history.  No argument here.  My point to Biz was that the early 90s cupboard would not have been so bare had the team not traded away some very good players in exchange for winning then and now.  Those two players went in the dela for Zane Smith as you probably know.  

That said, yes, there were nowhere as deep then as they had been 20 years earlier and thus they were stuck with having to rely on the talents of Rich Aude and Angel Encarnacion.

Back to Biz's comments, Garcia and Martin actually had some rather productive years in Pittsburgh. They were far from busts.  It was the pitching that killed them in 93.

JAL wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:19 PM
JAL wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:22 PM

Cajun  here you go  Rob Neyer's take

NL Gold Gloves: 2 out of 9 ain't bad

espn.go.com/.../nl-gold-gloves-2-out-of-9-aint-bad

mazfromiowa wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:24 PM

I know this will bug a few posters...........Scully to broadcast in 2010,The man has had the job since 1950.

BetterDaysComing wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:24 PM

Bizzy,

I understand.  I mentioned this is a post to leadoff but Garcia and Martin actually hit quite well for that 93 team.  They also stole soem bases.  The pitching just killed them in large part due to Wakefield going in the tank.  Here's a link...

www.baseball-reference.com/.../1993.shtml

JAL wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:25 PM

and from an Arizona blog

NL Gold Glove winners announced: Pardon me while I hold my sides

www.azsnakepit.com/.../nl-gold-glove-winners-announced

leadoff wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:30 PM

BetterDays

In my mind the influx of talent in that period was inparallelled in the club's history.

___________________________

I was not considering talent that we did not have, if the 90's talent was not that good or it was that good is not the issue, the issue was, when did we have talent like we have now to talk about and both of us agreed it was probably the 70's.

By not saying the 90's does not mean that there was not talent there, it just means that we thought the 70's were better. Someone else might think the early 60's or the late 50's were better and it could be that all the other era's were better than now.

We have hindsight for the other era's, but we did not have it back then, we just knew we had something special coming in the early 70's, just like some of us have that feeling all over again.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:30 PM

Thanks JAL

Bizrow wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:31 PM

The 60's and 70's definitely had more talent than the 90's, my point was until they do it, its only possibilities.  Not facts, none of the guys in the minors have become major league players/major league all-stars.

I just think its too early in the game to grant them sainthood, Pedro could end up as a hitter like Willie Stargell, or he could get stuck on krispycremes and come in at 300 lbs, you never know

BetterDaysComing wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:36 PM

leadoff,

Well said and in agreement.

leadoff wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:38 PM

21

I don't see this as an issue of political correctness.  This is about being a team player and not focusing on oneself.

_______________________

> Delwyn Young, almost invariably outspoken, has opted to stay mum on the team abandoning him at second base in favor of newly acquired Akinori Iwamura.

"It is what it is," Young said. "I'm going to leave it at that. I'm taking the high route."

_______________________________________

The subject was him losing his job.

As far as I can see, what did he say that was that wrong?

He has been "MuM" about the issue, what is the problem with that?

"it is what it is", What is wrong with that? "I'm going to leave it at that, I'm taking the high route", What is wrong with that?

Nothing in those statements says it is not about the team, the questions are directed at him about his issue of losing his job.

I would and many other's have used the same words, not a big deal to me.

BetterDaysComing wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:40 PM

Biz,

lol...yes, KrispyKremes could bring down the franchise!  If I'm PA, I'd be investing in a nutritionist with some of that signing bonus.  Let's also hope his first sponsorship deal isn't with Papa Johns.

pi-rat wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:53 PM

I am fine with DY and his take. it's not as if he went all WWE in the interview. I don't want someone to roll over when told they are riding the pine. I expect  him to go into ST planning to win a job away and work to get it. I am not sold in any way that he is out f the mix. I think in a lot of ways he is capable of becoming a mackowiak kind of presence. if starter iwwy has gimpy pegs, DY is ready.

clements as C with bad pegs? I don't think so. tooo deep there. legend is penciled in at 1B lfor me.

glad to see blastings is locked and loaded with a new hand. are 30 HR in his grasp?

@biz-

a 300 lb krispycreme eating 3B is NOT an image I need to have right now....thanks...

21sthebest wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:54 PM

Leadoff, I agree that it's not a big deal but it just sounded like sour grapes to me.  I think he could have responded with something positive.

Pgh_fan_in_NH wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 4:58 PM

@Biz:or he could get stuck on krispycremes and come in at 300 lbs,

If that happens can we trade him to the Steelers as a lineman?  I wonder if Fast Willie can hit for power?

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 5:00 PM

I don't think Pedro will have KrispyCreme issues, nor issues with any other kind of supercarb. He's at that campy thing in Arizona. No cremes there. (where is WSB with the name of that camp again? It's a big deal, that camp is.)

G-Man wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 5:05 PM

Maz -

>>Scully to broadcast in 2010,The man has had the job since 1950.<<

Maybe. But I heard a rumor that Lanny Fratere has been working with Delwyn Young and DY just may be headed back to the Dodgers.

Young, when asked about it, said, "It is what it is."

leadoff wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 5:05 PM

I just think its too early in the game to grant them sainthood, Pedro could end up as a hitter like Willie Stargell, or he could get stuck on krispycremes and come in at 300 lbs, you never know

__________________________

I don't think anyone is granting the kids coming up sainthood, or that they are the next coming of Christ, we are simply stating that in the early 70's we knew about the kids on the farm and the excitement they generated and these kids are doing the same thing for some of us.

Yes Pedro could wind up eating too many krispycreams, the only problem with that is Neal would cut off his food rations and send him to his room,  krispycreams and all, I still think you will see the Alvarez kid here in 2010 even if he looks like the Pillsbury doughboy.

Watch the kid hit, with the swing he has, he could weigh 300 lbs.,  and we will still be begging him to stay at contract time.

G-Man wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 5:07 PM

PoH -

>>I don't think Pedro will have KrispyCreme issues... He's at that campy thing in Arizona.<<

I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts they have KrispyCremes in Arizona.

BetterDaysComing wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 5:18 PM

Before we discount Pedro at 300 lbs, let's all stop and think about the Fielder family.  I don't care if they have to cart him around the bases in a wheelbarrow as long as he's hitting 40+ dingers.

Albeit as a first baseman.

leadoff wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 5:21 PM

G-Man

They may have doughnuts in Arizona, but the way Neal and Frank are about conditioning I don't think doughnuts are on the menu of the training table.

The Pirates are one of the best teams in baseball (not winning) with their conditioning programs, so much so that I wish they would knock it off.

We need a fat player somewhere, the Brewers have one and they won't trade him for any skinny player.

Whatever happened to the fat kid is the catcher, doughboys seem to never get hurt.

BetterDaysComing wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 5:24 PM

leadoff,

Bring back Spanky!!

Pgh_fan_in_NH wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 5:26 PM

Is Pedro at a Pirates camp or at Scott Boras' training center?

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 5:29 PM

leadoff - boy howdy did you say a mouthful. I've watched other players - winning team players - from the Brewers to CC pitching in the big series, and I think "Neal would never have that" in terms of body shape.

Fewer and fewer catchers are thick these days. Some are, and not in a bad way, but that stereotype seems to be going by the wayside.

JuniataKid wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 5:40 PM

I keep seeing posts about "when Pedro comes up in June," like it's a foregone conclusion. The lad hasn't played at triple-A yet, so I think it's iffy he'll be up at all next year. One can hope, I suppose. But unless he's tearing it up at Indy, I don't see them bringing him up just because it's June and the rest of the year doesn't count against his service time.

Plus, not only does Pittsburgh have Krispy Cremes, there's Big Daddy's in Crafton and that doughnut shop up Steuben Street that sells out by 9 a.m. every day. The temptations are too great. Can someone his age resist? We just don't know. Let's see if he can resist the doughnut temptations at Indy before we bring him up.

leadoff wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 5:56 PM

POH

from the Brewers to CC pitching in the big series, and I think "Neal would never have that" in terms of body shape.

___________________________

Does look like Neal has a mold and he wants all his players to fit the mold, look at his pitchers, they are all starting to look the same, 6.3 and up, kind of lean.

Don't forget Neal had CC in Cleveland, maby that is why he is not there now, maby Neal did not really want CC because he is of the chubby variety.

leadoff wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 6:08 PM

I think I am going to have to take that back about the mold that Neal uses.

Has anyone seen Brooks Pounders, he is a pounder and I think it is all jelly doughnuts that he is pounding. he is a big one.

jersey joe wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 6:24 PM

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BaseballFan wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 6:26 PM

He likes them tall and injury-prone.  

Best wishes and thanks to soldiers past and present.

jersey joe wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 6:34 PM

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jersey joe wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 6:36 PM

I will chime in on what DMAC said as to what FC said at the gathering about Clement and I will add the only thing I see different is that DMAC may have softened FC's talk on clement.

Unless something happens unforseen do not expect to see Clement with a mask because the do not see him catching.

Drew71 wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 6:43 PM

Just arrived in Nashville, former home of Pirates' former AAA team.  (ok, that made it a baseball post).

Had the pleasure of lunch today just outside Wash DC today.  (the Nats play there...see?  I'm talking baseball.)

SPRING TRAINING'S ALMOST HERE!  well, schedule posted.

Drew71 wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 6:44 PM

Out for a bit...but will start talking about SPRING TRAINING GATHERING IN BRADENTON SOON (seriously).  watch for it!

Drew71 wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 6:47 PM

oops...meant to say had lunch WITH JAL just outside DC.  How could i forget the most important part?

bye now.  we'll talk S.T. Roadtrip later.

G-Man wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 6:57 PM

PoH -

>>Fewer and fewer catchers are thick these days.<<

Case in point: World Series champ Posada. (Spelling?)

G-Man wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 6:59 PM

Drew71 -

I'm thinking about a special category of Hap Cap award for the most consecutive posts by the same person. I'm going to call it the Drew71 Cap.

KIDDING!

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 7:01 PM

You are right Gman. But the Molinas - all of them  terrific at what they do -- more on the thick side. Posada looks like Ichabod Crane.

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 7:04 PM

Gman. The avatars. Srsly.

MarkInDallas wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 7:25 PM

If Clement can at least be the emergency catcher, then if he does make the roster, that frees up an extra spot. Normally, you are hindered because you never want to pinch hit using your backup catcher because what happens if your catcher gets hurt.

If Clement is playing 1B with Jones in right, then at least you've got an extra pinch hitter.

Bizrow wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 7:26 PM

Lets not, and sorry for this, not count our chickens before the eggs are hatched?  Or some such nonsense.

PoH - my vote is if you can fawn about dreamy eyse or BFF or what ever getting traded, I think G-Man's avatars are for the most part, most appropriate : }

JAL wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 7:34 PM

Clement was drafted as a catcher--#3 pick in 2005--his defeb=nse as catcher is questionable.  He has hit well in the minors but had problems with leftys   At 25 it time for him to start showing he can hit in the majors but then might another DY--hitter with no good defensive position.

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 7:38 PM

Bizrow - LOL. Point taken!

Groat2Maz2Strangeglove wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 7:40 PM

Big D Mark,

I can't believe you suggested Jones in right and Clement at 1st!  You're the #'s Guy!!

Jones showed last year he is a mediocre to poor outfielder and should be at 1st to help the Pirates 9 full innings, and not just the 2 times a game he comes to the plate with no one on base.

Clement has played a total of 28 games in 5 seasons of Major and Minor League baseball at 1st Base.  He has spent many more times that amount at DH (an American League abbreviation for "Can't Catch a Cold.")

Plus, he batted .227 for Indy last year!

What #'s can you use to indicate those two at the positions you propose would be of positive help for the Pirates?

If Jones is in right and Clement at 1B——100 losses, here we come!!

G-Man wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 7:41 PM

PoH -

>>Gman. The avatars. Srsly.<<

I'm building up gradually to Oprah in a bikini.

Biz -

>>I think G-Man's avatars are for the most part, most appropriate.<<

You are my new BFF. But I need to warn you. As we speak, I am tracking PoH's vehicle on Google Earth as it speeds westward toward Pittsburgh in search of you.

KIDDING, PoH!

Bizrow wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 7:45 PM

G-Man

PoH will get us all, eventually

But if you go to Oprah, all bets are off

G-Man wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 8:15 PM

Biz -

The best I can hope for is at my funeral, PoH may get up and say a few kind words. Maybe something like this:

"He was a good friend. He was no Virgil Vasquez but he had a good heart."

Sorry about the Oprah scare. I was just kidding. But I do still have several more new avatars for the rest of the week.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 8:17 PM

Checking in for the evening.As far as KrispyCreme goes...they sailed into Iowa in the late 90s and they are pretty much gone these days.I never cared for em that much,but there are a gazillion other places to get your cholesterol from.I'm sure they have Sonic and IHOP and if PA needs someone to sponsor I'm sure he'll have his share of takers.

  One thing though.....why would anyone buy cologne because an athlete recommended it?

Reading wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 8:28 PM

Of course tomorrow, when the media is banned, is when all the real action will take place at Conditioning Camp.

pi-rat wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 8:42 PM

thanks to the great recon and great brainstorming [as opposed to brainwashing] today I have a graphic novel in preparation where alvarez comes up in june, finds the crafton bakery, blows up to 300 pounds and starts raking like stargell. it will have a happy ending.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 8:47 PM

Drew71-I hope you are staying in the city.It seems there is a problem with rock slides as you get closer to the gap.Since I traveled through Tenn and North Carolina a lot I wondered what kind of a problem it would be if that chicken wire holding the rock would give way.Now I see.

indianafanatic wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 8:53 PM

G-Man

I personally see nothing wrong with you using your daughters pixs as avatars. That is one fine family you have

SRSLY folks which one of those pixs is the real PoH

mazfromiowa wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 9:04 PM

Surely they could come up with a better name than Conditioning camp,I know your name is not Shirley so don't even start.  

geowes wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 9:09 PM

RE: talent "buzz" in past eras.  It seems to me that there could be a greater CONCENTRATION of talent, when there were only 16 MLB teams.  Today, there's the undeniable economic disparity (NY/LA'CHI/BOS v everyone else) but also twice as many compeitors to sign talent, initially.

It is great to have talent to look forward to.  (I'm just hoping it gets here SOON.)

mazfromiowa wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 9:10 PM

Pedros House Of Pancakes.  :-)

G-Man wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 9:43 PM

indianafanatic -

>>I personally see nothing wrong with you using your daughters pixs as avatars. That is one fine family you have<<

LOL! And may I say that they all get their looks from their father.

>>SRSLY folks which one of those pixs is the real PoH<<

I'm saving the best for last. Tune in next week...

G-Man wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 9:45 PM

maz -

>>Surely they could come up with a better name than Conditioning camp<<

You are right about that. I hadn't thought of it before but "Conditioning Camp" sounds like a woodsy place you go to learn to shampoo your hair.

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 9:51 PM

Pedro will be 100% fine.  He'll arrive at spring training looking like Dave Parker did pre-coke.  

His genetics are a bit odd.  Sister normal sized, parents aren't big at all (myself and others made it to see Pedro in DE this year).  Pedro's parents--- good people.  

Reading wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 9:58 PM

Conditioning Camp.  "Fatboy Program."  Whatever you call it, we just have to hope that the team comes out of this rigorous test of endurance without any injuries.  

MarkInDallas wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 10:24 PM

Groat -

I didn't say that I hope Clement is our 1B. All I'm saying is that it does give another option. That could be off the bench or on a double switch - who knows?

I do believe there's a very good chance Clement will start the year as the 1B. I think he's going to get a try out similar to Pearce did in 2009.

The only way that won't happen is if the Pirates can sign Ankiel or someone similar.

My hope is that Jones has a great year at 1B next year and Tabata comes up and is raking like a vet out of the gate as the RF in June.

But until June or whenever Tabata appears, if there's a choice between Moss in RF or Clement at 1B, it's better to find out if Clement can play.

Reality is that very few times can you expect to go an entire year without significant players lost to injury or inexplicable loss of production. So, the more players you have that can step in and contribute the better.

BaseballFan wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 10:36 PM

Huntington reportedly interested in Ryoto Igarashi.  He claims Iwamura trade will open the door for more Japanese players, it sure worked with Kuwata.

WhatsWrongWithYOUPeople wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 10:38 PM

Bring on the Japanese invasion.

Pirates interested in Japanese Reliever

www.npbtracker.com/.../interest-for-igarashi

BaseballFan wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 10:39 PM

Ryota, not Ryoto.

pi-rat wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 10:47 PM

whystanB-

no offense, but if your avatar is you, you have no place commenting on someone's genes.

gman-

if your avatar is you, you may.

on conditioning- I recall in my youth requiring 'husky' section of the store attire. I coulda, shoulda. will there be a bucs conditioning 2009 dvd?

2010: the iwwy and 'rashi show? [a bit too much like simpson's 'itchy and scratchy' for me]

buccoforlife wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 11:15 PM

Frankly, I'm encouraged by NH's interest in Ryota Igarashi. Unlike Kuwata, who was much older and nearing the end of his career, Igarashi is 30 and still in his prime. He's a hard thrower and could fit nicely in the hole left by Jesse Chavez's absence. Plus, showing an ongoing commitment to signing quality international players can only be a good thing for the Buccos.

Drew71 wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 11:27 PM

Gman, you still out there?  i'm wearing my drewcap proudly.

Eight more posts to follow.

radio wave wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Wed, Nov 11 2009 11:55 PM

I'm glad I don't know what is going  on with the avatars. Goodness only knows what you guys and gals are up too.

Drew71 wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Thu, Nov 12 2009 12:06 AM

Radio - Avatars are completely out of control.  we all took pictures of ourselves all dressed up like Neal Huntington.  

In drag.

Baywatch wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Thu, Nov 12 2009 12:08 AM

Evening, everyone! I thought it might be fun to take a little turn down memory lane to revisit the moving thread of last year's Veteran's Day sharing we did here on the blog, honoring our family members and sharing stories (some were very moving).

I just reread the thread ...  here it is. A year ago, today.

community.post-gazette.com/.../other-stuff-11-11-08.aspx

mazfromiowa wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Thu, Nov 12 2009 12:32 AM

Note to self:

M u s t  l e a r n  t o  c l a r i f y.AArrgghhh!

PI Stingray wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Thu, Nov 12 2009 12:32 AM

On an earlier thread, larryz commented that the Pirates would be crazy not to try to sign Johnny Damon and that he could be had for 2 years at $5 Million. I suggest larryz should look what Scott Boras thinks Damon is worth. Try $13 Million for 3 - 4 years!  sports.yahoo.com/.../rumors

themofo wrote re: Conditioning camp, Day 2: Young mum on management's call at second
on Thu, Nov 12 2009 10:08 AM

Delwyn Young is a cool dude. Talked yesterday at the season ticket get-together. How'd you feel if management brought someone else in to do your job after putting in so much time?  A little unappreciated?  Iwamura will break down, Young will get his at bats. A good PH is good to have too. I'd rather see Young warming up than Pierce.