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Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed

By Dejan Kovacevic | 12:40 a.m. Thursday

CHICAGO -- The Hacker Clapper has been unmasked.

I refer, of course, to the solitary fan who applauded for Eric Hacker upon making his major league debut last week at PNC Park. Right after describing this, I put out a plea in this blog for someone to track this person down and, lo and behold, we reaped the fruits of victory with a couple of emails.

First, I heard from Trudi Dunlap in Cranberry, who heard the Clapper and identified him/her as sitting behind the visitors' dugout, the same direction I described in the story. This was a good start. Trudi claimed to also clap with her friend: "We saw on the scoreboard that it was Mr. Hacker's first appearance in the majors and applauded, although it was mostly out of sympathy. I wouldn't normally point it out, but I feel bad for the kid. He should know that at least three fans are cheering for him." But the mere fact that she heard someone else clapping from a distance would suggest her clapping was not loud enough to triple the historic number.

Next, I heard from Frank Winn of Pittsburgh. He wrote: "Has anyone stepped forward as the Hacker Clapper?  I was in Section 8 that evening, sitting in the eighth row. I remember being surprised to see Hacker out there, and I know I clapped. Also, I don't remember hearing him be introduced, so it may not have been until after his first pitch. I honesly don't remember. If he goes on to a Hall of Fame Career, I'm sure there will be hundreds claiming to be the Clapper."

Finally, we hit the jackpot ...

It came from Stewart O'Nan, the well-known Pittsburgh-born horror novelist who once collaborated with Stephen King: "Yes, I'm the guy who clapped when I first noticed Eric Hacker, wearing the vaunted 17 of Dock Ellis and Bob Walk, making his way to the mound the other night. But give Bucs fans a little credit. Even as he struggled to find the plate, the remaining thousand or so faithful were calling out, ‘Come on, Hack!' and ‘Go get 'em, Hacksaw!' And, of course, ‘Throw strikes!' I'm sure we would have given him a grander welcome if he wasn't entering a badly-played game that had long been over, at the end of a badly-played season that has long been over, but we were very aware that this was his debut, and we were pulling for him."

There is something just spectacular about a horror novelist coincidentally being the Hacker Clapper, which sounds kind of like some serial killer's nickname.

This is the best newspaper beat in America.

Linkage to the general coverage ...

> Doubleheader story: Pirates 4, Cubs 0, and Pirates 8, Cubs 2. Ernie Banks regrets his wish: Charlie Morton was 'outstanding,' to use John Russell's term in the Game 1 shutout. And Ryan Doumit went nuts -- 4 for 4, home run, four RBIs in the nightcap. Game 1 box score, Game 2 box score

> Audio: Morton, on being outstanding.

> Audio: Doumit, on going nuts.

> Notebook: Rene Gayo regrets losing Miguel Angel Sano, but he hardly sounded down about the Pirates' Latin American talent or future prospects.

> Opinion: Columnist Gene Collier hates pitch counts.

> Poll: How will you follow these final four games?

> Chat: A one-hour season-ending session is coming Monday.

And from other realms ...

> Video: Highlights from all day yesterday, from MLB.com.

> Opponent: The Cubs, by the Chicago Tribune's Paul Sullivan.

> One of the best baseball links ever. Click both audio files.

> More on Sano from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.

> Jack Wilson says Seattle would be 'my first choice' as a free agent.

> The Orioles are really bad. Their 13-game losing streak is longest in the majors since the Jim Tracy Pirates.

PHOTO of the Hacker Clapper: The New York Times


Posted Oct 01 2009, 12:40 AM by Dejan Kovacevic

Comments

WTM wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper unmasked
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:44 AM

"Even then, the Cubs could cause Grabow to be a Type A free agent by offering him salary arbitration. From there, any team signing him would have to give up a first-round draft pick, something the Pirates would not do."

If you're drafting in the first half of the first round, you never lose your first round pick for signing a free agent.  The Pirates would lose their second round pick.

Baywatch wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper unmasked
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:46 AM

So far, I'm just getting yesterday's story when I click for the doubleheader story.

emoneypitt wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper unmasked
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:59 AM

Notebook link is yesterday's as well.

Dejan Kovacevic wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper unmasked
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:00 AM

@Wilbur: Thanks. Looking into it.

@Bay: It's coming. Looooooooooong day.

Baywatch wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:05 AM

Thanks, DK ... so appreciate you.

buccoforlife wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 2:01 AM

Hey, DK, thanks for the ongoing coverage of the Sano revelation. I was curious about what's going on with Wagner Mateo, the guy who signed with the Cards for over $3MM, but subsequently had his contract nullified by the club. Is this someone the Pirates would consider going after? Is Plummer his agent? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this.

Reading wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 2:06 AM

Looking at the Cubs link and their article regarding 101, I am still amazed that 17, or even 30 for that matter, is somehow considered to be more embarrassing or even in the same universe (galaxy, realm, etc.) of futility as a championship drought that is now heading into its "SECOND CENTURY."  Maybe in 2080, I'll see the light.

Dejan Kovacevic wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 2:10 AM

@Bucco: Mateo is represented by someone else. No, the Pirates never have been in on this player. Surely, his medical condition would not change that stance.

buccoforlife wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 2:18 AM

Thanks, DK. By the way, as I was watching the Buccos at Wrigley on Tuesday, I was thinking it might be cool to have die-hard Bucs fans write little series previews for the blog when the Bucs come to their town. Living on the northside of Chicago (after being born and raised in Pittsburgh), I see a lot of the Cubs and could perhaps provide tid bits, strange facts or a "who's hot" blurb that might be interesting to the folks in the asylum. Is this something you'd be interested to see happen? Obviously, nobody's coverage rivals your own, but little insights from Bucs fans around the country might be fun.

PI Stingray wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 2:42 AM

Didn't Donn Clendenon also wear the vaunted #17?

StuckInPhilly wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 3:52 AM

just wanted to say thank you DK.

awesome stuff once again.

In a bismal season like this, an article like this is a welcome one to see, rather than one filled with #s of eras, opss and $$$s.

BadgerBuc wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 3:53 AM

ForbesFielder,

Re: Hacker Clapper:  I found it interesting.  I always enjoy bits of PNC Park info that go beyond the actual playing field.  Thanks, DK!

CuriousGeorge wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 5:05 AM

Sano doesn't matter. He's 16 for cryin' out loud.

Re the Plummer posts:

1. The FO failed to get its' man. In business, that's a fail.

2. I really shouldn't be suprised at this, but it suprised me to find out that agents really ARE scum. Divulging particulars of a negotiation in public. Pimping a 13 year-old kid, for goodness sakes.

3. "For the love of money is the root of all evil."

4. Reading some of your posts, you bloggers who are in business - ethics in business really is an oxymoron, isn't it?

5. The older I get, the more I am thankful I don't have money. I still want things, but, in a way I can't describe, I'm actually glad I drive a 16 year-old car, and wear 12 year-old shoes.

6. The older I get, the more the values of that fellow from Galilee makes sense.

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 5:16 AM

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Everyone get the chance for a questioin before anyone asks a second question

CuriousGeorge wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 5:23 AM

Correction - I meant "In the grand scheme of things that is life, signing Sano doesn't matter".

Obviously, the kid, as a human being, matters.

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 5:25 AM

George,  I am curious, what is happening to you?  I do not know which side of the Bi-is the real side?

Joey Bats wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 5:28 AM

TWO wins in one day...WOOOHOOO....sometimes it takes us a week, or two to get that many!

RAISE THE JOLLY ROGER, twice !!

Joey Bats wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 5:33 AM

Today is THRIFTY THURSDAY…we review the trade of Andy’s bro….

77777777  Adam LaRoche Trade  77777777777

Trade completed on July 22, 2009, Adam LaRoche to RedSox for …2 prospects.  Red Sox traded  Adam to the Braves a week later (…would woulda thunk it?). Here’s how the players are performing for their new teams since the trade was completed.

Stats thru September 30:

Adam LaRoche – 1B - Boston & Atlanta – Bats:  L

1 HR  3 RBI   .263  (RedSox) ** 6 G, 19 AB,   2R, 5 H, 2K, 0 BB, 0 SB  **  .263 OBP  .526 SLG

12 HR  40 RBI  .347 (Braves)**  53 G  193 AB  29R 67H  52K 27BB 0 SB **  .423 OBP  .601 SLG

Argenis Diaz – SS – Indy – Bats: R  (minor league season over)

0 HR,  8  RBI  .233 ** 43 G, 146 AB, 14 R, 34 H, 27K, 8BB, 1 SB **  .273 OBP  .240 SLG

Hunter Strickland – RHP -  West Virginia   (minor league season over)

4-2,  3.77 ERA  **  8 G  43 IP  42 H  3 HR   23 K  6 BB  **    1.12 WHIP   .250 OP.AVG

777777777777777777777777777777777777777

Tomorrow (FRANTIC FRIDAY) -  the Grabow/Gorzo trade

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 5:53 AM

So, it has been over thriteen years since we have won a double header on the road and some silliness like the clapper takes the headline and as it turns out there were more than one lone hand in the crowd to say the most.

I think the team deserved more.

roxtar wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 6:07 AM

Do yourselves a favor and click on "One of the best baseball links ever" above. What a treat!

Drew71 wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 6:09 AM

From Notebook "The Pirates still have no starter for their finale Sunday, as management mulls whether to send struggling Kevin Hart back to the mound."

Please.  I'm saying please.  I'm being nice.  After all, he probably has a mother or a wife and they may read this stuff.  I'm just saying please.

Drew71 wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 6:12 AM

Roxy - i was JUST going to post the same.  

Click on it folks.  One of Best is not hyperbole.  Enjoy.

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 6:32 AM

Morning Links Part 2

Preview of tonight's game

www.cbssports.com/.../MLB_20091001_PIT@CHC

One Day, Two Games, Two Wins--play by play

Game 1-

scores.espn.go.com/.../playbyplay

Game 2

scores.espn.go.com/.../playbyplay

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 6:45 AM

THE OFFICIALLY UNOFFICIAL PBC BLOGS AND MLB LINKS: Part 1

Bleacher Report-A Pirates' Life For Me

bleacherreport.com/.../show_full

Bleacher report-Pirates Lost Badly On "Stealth" Trades

bleacherreport.com/.../263995-pirates-lost-badly-on-stealth-trades

Bucs Dugout-Charlie Morton, Ryan Doumit, Jeff Karstens Help Bucs Sweep Doubleheader

www.bucsdugout.com/.../charlie-morton-ryan-doumit-jeff

WhyGavs--Pirates 4 Cubs 0 and Pirates 8 Cubs 2

whygavs.com/.../game-157-pirates-4-cubs-0.html

whygavs.com/.../game-158-pirates-7-cubs-2.html

Pittsburgh Lumber Company-Game 1 and Game 2

mvn.com/.../morton-fires-shutout-at-wriglies.html

mvn.com/.../doumit-powers-pirates-to-sweep.html

Raise the Jolly Roger-Game 1 and Game 2

raisethejollyroger.com/.../muuuuch-better-pirates-4-cubs-0

raisethejollyroger.com/.../turning-the-tables-pirates-8-cubs-2

Hyzdu Headquarters-Lets Play 2

hyzduhq.blogspot.com/.../lets-play-two.html

The Green Weenie--It's a Beach and Let's Play 2

oldbucs.blogspot.com/.../its-beach.html

oldbucs.blogspot.com/.../lets-play-two.html

macsinthebox wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 6:46 AM

              Early Good morning to all:

               I am enthused over the double dip sweep yesterday not as much because we won but because the effort was there for both games. Consistent effort will be imperative to our future development and closing out the season there appears to be hope for next year, HOPEFULLY:-}

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 6:57 AM

THE OFFICIALLY UNOFFICIAL PBC BLOGS AND MLB LINKS: Part 2

Bucco Fans--What Pirates prospects are above average?

www.buccofans.com/.../what-pirates-prospects-are-above.html

PBC Home Page-Pitching in: Bucs complete twin bill sweep

pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/.../article.jsp

PBC Home Page-Morton tosses first shutout in Game 1

pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/.../article.jsp

PBC Home Page-Milledge not letting up at season's end

pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/.../article.jsp

MLB Transactions

www.cbssports.com/.../transactions

North Side Notch--Thursday Notes: Always remember...it could be worse

www.northsidenotch.com/.../thursday-notes-always-rememberit-could.html

Fire John Russell--The Accountable John Russell

firejohnrussell.com/.../the-accountable-john-russell

JosePagan wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 7:15 AM

Good to see the team not going quietly into the night. Dismal as this season has been, ending on a positive note will be good for everyone.

Jose

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JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 7:17 AM

The prediction contest with 4 games left

15 players still sort of alive  Pirates have hit 123 Home Runs

Here are the last 15

UtesFan89……….65-97 / 165 HR’s

RichieHP………...65-97 / 148 HR’s

WietersforPres…..65-97 / 133 HR’s

Cave Bonifield......65-97 / 127 HR's

Disgruntled Goat...65-97 / 121 HR's

Frustrated 314……65-97 / 121 HR’s

The Deacon………64-98 / 149 HR’s

Nutting Hostage….64-98 / 131 HR’s

21sthebest..............64-98 / 121 HR's

Yotum...................63-99 / 132 HR's

Jack Sparrow……..63-99/ 122 HR’s

AmarilloFats.........62-99 / 126 HR's

STLRFANRC........61-101 / 120 HR's

Cisco Kid…………61-101 / 93 HR’s

Happyhower……..61-99 / 142 HR’s

realistically at 65-97 Utes fan and Richie  will not win because of the home runs  so that leaves 13.  At 64-98 Deacon will not win because of HR so now 12 left.  At 61-101 Cisco Kid will not win due to HR so 11 left.  Amarillo Fats and Happyhower need one or two rainouts to win though Amarillo Fats probably wins at 62-100 since no one predicted that record--would have to go to percentages

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 7:29 AM

"The Orioles are really bad. Their 13-game losing streak is longest in the majors since the Jim Tracy Pirates."

Oh wow, coming from the beat writer who covers a team with 1 more victory than the "really bad" Orioles......I guess he should know "really bad" when he sees it.

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 7:30 AM

Drew, from the same perspective, of course Jack wants to stay where he is because after you read the story jack himself reveals his price tag option is pretty high.  Funny that he came to that conclusiuon only after he was traded?

So, a question to all that said over and over the Pirates were lowballing its offer to Jack: please explain the graph as Jack admits his option is really overboard as to where the cutoff for the offer the Pirates made to be lowballing?

JosePagan wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 7:31 AM

@ JAL: You realize that if Hostage wins they are going to have close the blog down...

Even though I was eliminated long ago, I appreciate your work in providing the updates.

Jose

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NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 7:37 AM

Jose,

IT'S A CULTURE OF WINNING!

Srsly.

Drew71 wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 7:38 AM

Jose/JAL - the contest was Hossy's idea, wasn't it?  Fix??

Joe - I thought at the time that both our former middle infielders would EVENTUALLY sign for money close to PBC offers.  Not uncommon...many potential FAs, not just PBC's overvalue selves, in fact in all sports, turn down decent but not great $ from current team and end up signing for LESS elsewhere.

Bishop wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 7:40 AM

I think this current stretch of good baseball by the Pirates, taking 3 of 4 from the Dodgers and sweeping the doubleheader from the Cubs, needs to be examined good and hard, because something just doesn't smell right.  

I'm willing to bet that the FO forced the team to start winning games to avoid finishing last overall or even next-to-last, just so they can avoid having to pay a higher signing bonus in next year's draft.  

This is just another example of Bob Nutting's cheapness, and we shouldn't stand for it!  Call the PBC offices today and demand the Pirates lose the rest of their games so Nutting can't pocket the cash.

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 7:48 AM

Bish,

That's just silly.

Clearly the recent winning is a result of JR and Neal changing the culture and now....

IT'S A CULTURE OF WINNING!

With the new culture of winning they've won 5 of the last 7 games so that means they are a contender and bound for the playoffs next season.

Srsly.

JosePagan wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 7:51 AM

@ Drew, you know, I believe it was.

@ Bishop: Had me going there for a second...

Jose

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Drew71 wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 7:54 AM

Oh Gawd...if Hossy wins the contest, it's going to give Culture of Winning a (pause) Whole (pause) New (pause) Meaning (audible gasp).

(Don't worry big guy...my laptop is plum out of smiley faces but the intent is there)

gregenstein wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 7:57 AM

@Dejan,

Please save that photo from the last thread of the two Cubs outfielders in the ivy. It almost looks like they just happened to pass out next to each other while wearing baseball uniforms. Smizik can use it somehow in his blog!

@Bishop & NuHo,

This could be the funniest thing I've ever read in this in this blog. You guys should keep immitating each other.

JosePagan wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 7:58 AM

@ Drew: If Hostage wins, that means one thing!

HOSTAGE AND JAL CONSPIRED TO MANIPULATE THE WIN! THEY WILL BE PIGEON-HOLED! I'M PRETTY SURE I DON'T LIKE THAT!

Well, one mystery solved: we know who the Clapper is. On to the next one: "Who will the pitcher du jour be on Sunday?"

Jose

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JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:00 AM

Jose

If the Pirates finish 64-98 it will depend on HRs  Right now 21s the best is closer  If they win 3 more and hit 2 HR 21 wins,  if they hit 3 more 21 and Hostage are equidistant and if they win 3 more and hit at least 4 Hostage wins unless they go crazy and 18 HR in 4 games which would give Deacon the win :)

Yes, the contest was Hostage's idea.

Drew71 wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:00 AM

@Hos: "With the new culture of winning they've won 5 of the last 7 games so that means they are a contender and bound for the playoffs next season. Srsly."

He said Srsly.  That means he means it!

Write it down.  Oct 1.  Hossy drank the koolaid!  Hossy picked 2010 PBC for the Playoffs!  No more blanket of neg...he's an optimist.

wow.  i mean wow.  

srsly

(see, i said srsly too)

JaxBuc wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:01 AM

@ForbesFielder

Re Hacker Clapper: Nobody really cares. Use your time and resources for something more productive.

___________________________________

Although I usually appreciate it when someone helps out by doing the work of many, thus saving us all time and energy, assuming that you can speak for all (or any) of us on any subject is very presumptious.

I thoroughly enjoyed the little side trip into the mystery of the Hacker Clapper.  It brought a little personality and fun into the final days of the season.  It also showed me (and maybe others) that not only do we get to enjoy the best beat writer around, but he doesn't hesitate to acknowledge that he has "the best newspaper beat in America."  

Thanks, DK, for your continued fine work.  I really appreciate it.

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:01 AM

Jose

At the moment Hart is scheduled to start the final game.

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:05 AM

JAL,

DO NOT PIDGEONHOLE ME AS A CONTEST THINKER UPPER! - FINE! - IT MAKES ME ANGRY TO BE CATERGORIZED AS A CONTEST THINKER UPPER! FINE! DO NOT CLASSIFY ME! FINE!

Drew71 wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:06 AM

@JAL "At the moment Hart is scheduled to start the final game."

ARRRGGGLLLRRRRGGG@##^%%&*@#&%%*&#@!!!

Drew71 wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:07 AM

i can't believe i just said that on a family blog

JosePagan wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:07 AM

@ Drew: JAL doesn't like the term "kool-aid." Please use "Lemon-Blennd" from now on.

Srsly.

Jose

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NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:12 AM

Jose,

DO NOT CLASSIFY ME AS A KOOL-AID DRINKER! SOMETIMES I DRINK CRYSTAL LITE, DIET MT. DEW, ICE TEA, OR DIET ROOT BEER! FINE! I DON'T EVEN DRINK KOOL-AID SO DON'T CATEGORIZE ME! FINE!

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:13 AM

Hostage

So sorry :)

Bishop wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:19 AM

NuHo,

Can I classify you, however, as someone who doesn't know how to turn off his Caps Lock?

(and yes, I recognize the callback to yesterday's thread and am not a complete idiot)

Drew71 wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:22 AM

off...have a great day (except for that contest thingie)

JosePagan wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:22 AM

Hostage:

WELL FINE! I'LL CLASSIFY YOU AS A DRINKER OF DIVERSE BEVERAGES DEPENDING ON YOUR MOOD! FINE THEN! DON'T PIGEON HOLE ME AS A WISE-GUY! FINE. IT MAKES ME ANGRY TO BE PIGEON HOLED! I'D RATHER BE CATEGORIZED! AND WHY DON'T YOU LIKE LEMON BLENND! FINE!

@ Drew: you are going to need to wash your keyboard out with soap. Not Life Boy though, you might get soap-poisioning...

@ JAL: Hart it is then.

Jose

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NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:24 AM

Bish,

Now that JAL got me shouting, it seems I can't stop.

Sort of like the time the Astros executives got George calling everyone SOB's and bastages.

DO NOT PIDGEONHOLE ME AS A SHOUTER!

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:24 AM

Pirate starters the last 4 games

Maholm trying to even his record at 9-9

McCutchen  trying to get his 1st MLB win

Duke trying to keep his ERA under 4

Hart--just very trying :)

John Lease wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:26 AM

www.ballparkguys.com/ubbthreads.php

If you'll peruse thru this thread, you'll notice I predicted a 63-99 record for the Pirates.

But I couldn't possibly guess the number of homers.  And please, anyone with spare time post something over there, I'm having a LOT of conversations with myself.

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:28 AM

Jose,

I HAVEN'T HAD LEMON BLEND SINCE I WAS A TEENAGER AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY STILL MADE IT! FINE! DO NOT PIDGEONHOLE, CLASSIFY, OR CATEGORIZE ME, I PREFER TO BE TYPECAST! FINE!

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:33 AM

JAL,

What are the chances that your angry shouting episode yesterday will end up being mocked as frequently and for as long a period of time as POH's "IT'S A CULTURE OF WINNING" ???

Srsly.

JosePagan wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:35 AM

@ Hostage: OK THEN! FINE! BUY SOME LEMON BLENND!

@ John: I talk to myself all the time, especially when driving one of the Parkways here...

Jose

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Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:42 AM

NuHo,

The new avatar is excellent.  That big Sano smile with the red line through it.  Too good.

Fat Jimmy wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:43 AM

Inspired by Morton's resurgence, Hart joins the bandwagon and closes out the season:

82/3 IP, 4 H, 1 ER

....and 6 BB, but that's neither here nor there....

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:43 AM

@ Jose

How come you drive on a parkway and park on a driveway?  Hmm?  HMMMMMMMMM!?!?!?!?!?!

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:46 AM

Why Roberto,

Why thank you. - I was very pleased with my creative thought and powerpoint abilities this morning as well.

Baywatch wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:46 AM

Top of the morning to everyone ... FINE morning, at that!

JosePagan wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:56 AM

@ WhyDidn't I: Why do YOU eat and then park at Eat 'n Park? Yeah, thought you had me there! Well, you can sit here in the waiting room, or wait here in the sitting room...

Catherwood (Jose)

8

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 8:58 AM

What do you guys make of Sano's statement that "People were expecting the amount to be over $4 million, and people assumed that I was just going to sign with Pittsburgh."?  

I know something could've been lost in translation or he could've been coached on what to say, but what an odd statement to make.

I would say that there was about a 25% minority of Bucco fans that thought maybe it could happen, but I would say the other 75% knew there was no chance of getting a top prospect from the DR.  Who are these "people" he speaks of that just assumed he was signing with the Buccos?  Gayo?  Neal?

I mean really people.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:00 AM

DK

I applaud your exhaustive investigative reporting to root out the elusive Hacker Clapper.  

Both myself and the lovely Mrs Bonifield had numerous theories as to whom it may have been.  She postulated that it was former major leaguer Rich Hacker, who like a Flying Dutchman, is doomed to visit any ballpark with a Hacker playing,  and applaud him for all of eternity.  

I was convinced that it was Tommy John himself.  I have heard through various sources that TJ appears to cheer on any player that had the surgery that bears his name on the day of his major league debut.  .  Clapper had Tommy John surgery in 2004.

But alas, we were both wrong,  and we thank you for bringing out the truth and exposing the HC to all of mankind.  

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:03 AM

"HOSTAGE AND JAL CONSPIRED TO MANIPULATE THE WIN! "

Actually if I remember this correctly, Hostage entered a prediction and then after seeing most everybody enter a prediction, he pulled his and then changed it and reentered it.  I think someone here said that he emailed them to remove his original prediction from the list instead of asking on the board.

Bizrow wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:03 AM

Morning mates, good tidings

WDIGTSR

I honestly thought we had a shot at Sano, unless we got blown out of the water with an offer.  So I guess I was one of the 25%

That'll teach me to be optimistic ; }

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:04 AM

Hostage

88% chance  which drops to 5% when you are not here :)

TripleG wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:04 AM

Good morning to you Baywatch and the entire Asylum et al.

So I take the mrs to Old Chicago restaurant and start watching the game at the bar.  I had them switch the channel to the game and a guy turns around and says "Ugh, Cubs game... Oh!  Pirates fan!" after seeing my cap.  Turns out he graduated from Pitt.  We had a great time comparing burgh stories and watching the game.  Small world.  He's a real baseball guy and is pretty upbeat about the direction the bucs are going.

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:08 AM

JAL,

That seems like a pretty accurate assessment.

;-)

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:12 AM

@ Jose

Just seeing if you're on your toes here er-lie in the mornin'

JoeBucco wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:13 AM

Dejan - a bit off topic, but does the PG do any analysis of which pages generate the most ad traffic, like clicks on the Google ads to the right of the page?  Just curious as to how you stack up with the others if so.  I always try to help out the PG by checking out those ads.  Since I'm out of town, it's my way of dropping some coins in the box for you.

Bishop wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:15 AM

Why Didn't...

IMHO, I think the young man is covering for his agent.  Based on the information that has been previously presented, I believe Sano, and his family, truly wanted him to sign with the Pirates, but now that his agent, who felt slighted in the process, has steered him to the Twins, Sano is trying to put on a happy face about his new situation.

If Sano doesn't make this type of statement, the Twins might get the feeling that they are not going to get his complete effort because he'd rather be elsewhere.  It would be akin to saying "Dear Blind Date, you're nice and all and I'm sure we can have fun together, but I wish our mutual friend had hooked me up with someone I was really interested in being with.  I'll try to have a good time with you, but I'm always going to be wondering what it would be like to be with someone else."

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:18 AM

GGG

it is a small world--never know who you will run into at any given time or place

KV wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:19 AM

Of course Jack Wilson is going to say he would like to stay

with Seattle. What's he supposed to say? No? That would

over great with the team and thier fans.

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:19 AM

"Good to see the team not going quietly into the night. Dismal as this season has been, ending on a positive note will be good for everyone."

I'm dreading playing the Reds Jose.  I'd rather play the Yankees right now.

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:21 AM

Bish,

I think you are giving a 16 yr old kid from the DR too much credit.

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:22 AM

@ Fat Jimmy

No way Hart throws 8 2/3!  You how they say, "Well, it's possible, but not feasible"  Well, that is neither feasible or possible.  To get to 8 2/3 innings there would be about 11 BBs (not to mention an error or two covering 1st base mixed in there).

Looking back now, the Grabow/Gorzo trade still doesn't sit well with me.  Even if Grabow left, he would've been offered arb. so the Bucs could've gotten a draft pick there (which hey! isn't that 'the plan'?).  And Gorzo couldn't be doing any worse than Hart is right now (and we knew he was capable of winning games at the major league level).

I don't find anything wrong with other trades (okay maybe the Bay trade, but I still need a bit more time on that one), but the Gorzo/Grabow trade I'm liking less and less each day.

And they were traded in the division.  Neal, sorry, but you dropped the ball on that one.  Hopefully Hart (and/or Ascanio) can become valuable members of the bullpen next season.  

KV wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:22 AM

Wow just thinking how the Pirates and Orioles battled in the

Word Series. Twice.  Baltimore with four 20 game winners.

Geeze times change.

Baywatch wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:23 AM

@WhyDidn'tI - "er-lie in the mornin'"

That reminded me of my old buddy, Harry Nilsson singing his crazy song, "Early in the Mornin'"

"Don't you know it's early in the mornin' ...

Ear-Early in the mornin', and I ain't got nothin' but the, ain't got nothin' but, ain't got nothin' but, ain't got nothin' but, ain't got nothin' but, ain't got nothin' but the blues."

Big Z singin' that this mawnin!

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:25 AM

Bishop,

To me, the bottom line is that the Pirates lost Sano by offering to make 3 easy payments of $866,666.67 when the Twins are giving him the three bills in lump sum.  Going right to the family, whatever, it came down to the money, IMO.  Maybe we should have thrown in an extra set of steak knives.

17 AND COUNTING wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:27 AM

It's funny how so many on here ...upset because Sano did not sign with the bucs said "hey he's only 16...you never know what's going to happen to these kids...at the same time many have prayed that the PBC would get the 1st or 2nd draft choice next year so that they could draft Bryce Harper who also is only SIXTEEN and should be a junior in HS...but don't forget...he is a combo between babe ruth and johnny bench....16 is 16...he has a much greater chance of being an average major league ballplayer than a superstar...that is if he even makes it to the bigs...and you think nutting is going to pay 15 million plus to boros for this teenager

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:29 AM

I know this season basically sucked the big one, but is anyone else excited for next year?  I mean, coming into a season with so many guys going for the 2nd go around, could be interesting (or just as big of a disappointment as this one was).  I think it's certainly better than hoping a bunch of veterans that can't win 70 games somehow find a way to put it together.

Think, we could get to see Jose and Pedro next season, as well as Brad Lincoln.  We'll also get to see if Ross can continue to get better, and if Zach can remain at the form he should've been at all along (thanks Jim Tracy!).  We'll see if Paul can get back to CONSISTENTLY throwing well.  We'll see if Andy can maybe reach that 20 HR plateau, whether Lastings was worth Nyjer (in my mind, no question).

For a team that is so bad, and has been losing for so long, there certainly is (and will be) a lot to talk about.

A credit to Dejan and all my fellow asylum members!

Here Here!

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:29 AM

KV!

Hurry! - Get an avatar quickly before JAL starts shouting again!

Dear god man hurry.

Bishop wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:30 AM

NuHo,

Not if his agent is telling him to do it.  Apparently this kid can be greatly pushed around by his agent, if reports that he wanted to sign with the Pirates all along are accurate and Plummer is just being obstinate because he felt the familial relationship with Rene Gayo threatened his influence.

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:32 AM

Big Z singin' that this mawnin!

===============================

Ahhhh, Bay....

It's always nice to hang one on Carlos.  Surprised he didn't break a bat over his knew this time ;)

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:34 AM

Maybe we should have thrown in an extra set of steak knives.

=======================================

Ginzu?  Woulda had Sano no questions.

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:34 AM

17,

The same people who dismiss losing Sano and excuse the front office for losing him "because he is only 16 and you never know if he would make it or not" and "even if he did it would be several years from now"......will be the very same people to jump up and heap all kinds of lavish praise upon the front office if they were to draft 17 year old Bryce Harper.

Srsly.

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:35 AM

From the "go figure" department

Pen has blown a number of games this season yet in two games pitched entirely by the pen the Pirates have won and the pen gave up 3 earned runs in 18 innings for an ERA of 1.50  Go figure!  

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:39 AM

Hostage

In 14,455 posts I have only shouted once--that may be one time too many but hardly an epidemic of shouting.  Some posters have shouted more often just with their give paul the ball  type posts :)

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:41 AM

Bish,

I think his agent was simply doing his job and advised they hold off from accepting the Pirates offer of $2.6M spread over 3 payments because he knew a better deal was achievable and it turns out his advice was sound given that he got a $3.15M deal payable up front.

I don't agree with categorizing an agent doing his job and advising his client properly "as greatly pushing him around".

We as Pirate fans who lost out on Sano might like to think our $2.6M offer over 3 payments was better than the Twins $3.15M offer all up front offer and that the evil Rob Plummer manipulated the kid but the fact is, none of that is true.

Plummer advised his client to a better deal with a better organization.

There was no pushing around.

End of story.

Bizrow wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:43 AM

Did we just climb over the Orioles and now are looking at the #3 draft choice next year?

Progress..  er, ah...

TripleG wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:45 AM

Why Didn't I - I know what you're saying.  Next year could be a disaster... so why am I excited about the possibilities?  Because I'm seeing what you're seeing.  It's a gamble for sure, but the upside could be surprisingly good.

JAL - Small world indeed.  The point is that here's a guy who isn't really a Pirates fan (he's a Mets fan) but follows baseball enough (plus went to Pitt) and looks at the situation and truly believes that the farm had to be rebuilt and things could be turning around.  I just thought it was interesting to hear this guys opinions without any prodding from me.  It gives me hope... and then we went on to win the second game.

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:45 AM

@ NuHo

Would you expect them not to jump up and down at possibly having the best power hitting prospect to come out of HS in awhile?

I understand your logic, but...

Shouldn't we all be jumping up and down if that happens?

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:46 AM

JAL,

I think you are confusing excited exclamations such as "DUKE HAS HIS JUKE" with your furious shouting retort yesterday.

Dude, you wigged out and now you are stressing over the prospect of seeing the outburst mocked hundreds, if not thousands of times in the future.

;-)

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:49 AM

Why,

All I'm saying is that it cuts both ways.....

You can't say out of one side of your mouth that losing Sano was really no big deal because he is only 16 and then out of the other side of your mouth claim Coonelly and Huntington are great because they drafted Bryce Harper.

John Lease wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:50 AM

Biz, we DID jump over the O's.  They are in a 13 game tailspin.

We could in theory tie the Royals too, but it'd be a win 'em all lose 'em all scenario.

I'd be satisfied with another win against the Cubs, then one more against the Reds.

Then let Donnie Veal start game #162.  Not Hart, I've seen enough for this year.  Hopefully he's out of options.

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:54 AM

John L

Sorry, but Hart has two options left

LarryZ wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:55 AM

If I was Hacker I don't think I'd much appreciate the ongoing story of the lone clapper.  Let the story rest.  

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:55 AM

Hostage

Not stressing at all :)

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:55 AM

Personally, I think it would be best if we do fall to far down to get Bryce.

That way, with no one really outstanding on the board, we could reach down low and take, say, like maybe the 28th, 29th, or 30th rated amatuer on the board and then use the extra money to spread the wealth and sign the fewest number of picks on all of MLB.

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:56 AM

"but is anyone else excited for next year? "

Why Didn't I,

I share some of your sentiment but they would go a long way towards sending with some positives into the offseason if they take at least 2 out of 3 from the Reds with some solid play.  

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:57 AM

Larry,

Now that you mention it, this dominating crusade to ridicule Hacker is pretty cruel.

This blog would never in a million years tolerate that kind of harassment of the owner, President, or GM.

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:57 AM

@ NuHo

O yea I completely agree.  And to those people I say remember Andruw Jones?  Played in a WS at 19 years old.  Just because Sano is 16 (or so the claims are) doesn't mean he couldn't be in the bigs in a couple of years.  If he really is as good as Gayo and the FO is making him out to be, I think it's more realistic to think he'll be up before his 20th than it is that he doesn't make it at all.

Kids in the dominican eat, sleep, breathe baseball (some love the game and others know it could be thier only shot to be extremely successful (monetarily)).  I wish the same could be said of our kids. I'm only 23 but I now coach American Legion (after playing until I was 19) and to see the drop off in passion from just a short while ago when I was playing to these kids now, it's sort of sad.  Baseball is truly dying among America's youth.  Not sure how to turn that trend around.

With Sano's supposed talent and a good work ethic, like I said, I'd be more surprised if he was still in the minors by age 21 (especially in the Twins org. that is constantly interchanging parts).

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:58 AM

"We as Pirate fans who lost out on Sano might like to think our $2.6M offer over 3 payments was better than the Twins $3.15M offer all up front offer "

Eh?

JosePagan wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 9:59 AM

@ JAL: Admit it, manus! You have been caught with that reallly rowdy side of you exposed for all the world to see!

We have it on good authority here that you used to be a front man for the Heavy Metal Garage Band "Improper Enunciation" back in the day...

: )

Jose

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jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:01 AM

17 AND COUNTING wrote re: Morning links:  revealed,

It's funny how so many on here:

There must of have millions of sixteen year old kids at one time were the best kid in any league they played in, most of those fizzle well before they reach the age of twenty.

They lose interest, they stop growing, many more reasons!

I think using a first round pick on a sixteen year old kid a bit irresponsible.  In our lifetime maybe you knew Bob Gibson or even Sandy at that age did not much control, there are too many outside influences to know about a young kid like that.

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:02 AM

@ John Lease

re: Donnie Veal starting that last game

PLEASE!  We don't need to see any more of Kevin Hart this season.  Shut him down and save whatever confidence he has left (can't be much since he's like 1-7 with like a 7 ERA since being traded).  If Donnie can ever figure out how to throw consistent strikes, he could be a CC type.

As fat Jimmy said about Charlie yesterday...

Donnie Veal has stuff that is just ELECTRIC!

And, nickname for Charlie (at least when he pitches well):

Charles in Charge!

Anyone, Anyone?  Buehler?

Bishop wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:03 AM

NuHo,

Speaking as someone who negotiates contracts every day, I respectfully disagree, because the facts show that Sano's agent didn't really do his job.  By taking the Twins' offer without giving the Pirates, who were Sano's first choice, an opportunity to match or exceed the offer, he left money for his client, and ultimately himself, on the table because he had some hurt feelings.

As for the Pirates' offer of $2.6MM over three years, they made that when they believed that there were no other offers pending.  NH did the right thing by not bidding against himself and raising his bid simply at the request of Plummer, and then Plummer decides to take the Twins' offer without ever circling back with the Pirates to see if they would up their opening offer because of a personality conflict.  That's poor negotiating on his part, because all signs pointed to the Pirates being willing to spend more for the kid if given the chance, which they were not.  

I have cut deals with companies and people I absolutely cannot stand because, from a business standpoint, it's what's best for my company at the end of the day.  As soon as you start letting emotion affect business decisions, you start making poor business decisions, and IMHO, that is exactly what Plummer did with this deal.

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:04 AM

Now that you mention it, this dominating crusade to ridicule Hacker is pretty cruel.

==============================================

Are they having the "Vote for the Bobblehead" again?  I think we found our choice!  I live in NJ, but would def have to get tickets to the Eric Hacker Bobblehead night.

I mean, after that game, there'd probably like only 6-8,000 people that could say "I've got an Eric Hacker Bobblehead"

John Lease wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:04 AM

@JAL

Way to ruin my day... :(

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:05 AM

"Baseball is truly dying among America's youth.  Not sure how to turn that trend around.

There's lot of reasons and it's really tough to increase participation in youth baseball at really young ages when kids just don't go outside and play ball that much anymore on their own.  I think video games are an issue maybe.  Child obesity is at an all time high.  And other sports like cross country, lacrosse, soccer and even crew continue to gain popularity which is good but not so much for baseball.

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:06 AM

NutHos-I disagree a little on Hacker. One's MLB debut should be noted and celebrated, even with a very small crowd.

Is it me or has the Pirate pitching staff turned into the Major League version of the Yankee AAA team, and improved?  Obviously with the Yankees paying for elite free agents, it blocks guys like Claggett, Hacker, Jackson, etc.

John Lease wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:10 AM

@Roberto

And, if by some miracle Veal gets to two out in the ninth with a ten run lead and no one on, I'll be HOWLING like a howler monkey for Duke to come in and finish it up to 'get some work'.

But it'll never happen.

Heck, throw Karstens out there one more time.

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:15 AM

Whystan,

The PPG is not celebrating Hacker's debut, they are ridiculing it.

It is flat out cruel and demeaning.

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:21 AM

JAL, So when did using caps become illegal?  I think it a heresy to the language to be tricked into forgoing the common use of capitalizing for street talk vernacular silliness.

Please do not include me in such games of misuse.

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:23 AM

@DK-Is Hacker a quote machine?

I think rooting for a semi-obscure rookie isn't a bad thing.  Bringing up the fact shows the Pirate fan does indeed care. Just because he's the first guy to clap in a almost empty ballpark, then you hear about more about that inning, is good story-telling.  

The Hacksaw is the next Jersey Joe quote.

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:24 AM

And other sports like cross country, lacrosse, soccer and even crew continue to gain popularity which is good but not so much for baseball.

====================================================

I never got cross country.  My pops ran cross country in college (@ Susquehanna Univ.) and he couldn't convince me.  Who would want to just run distances?  I guess it takes the mindset of a Forest Gump type.

I do love soccer though (I try to call it football, but then I have to refer to our footabll as American Football, it's annoying).  Even if the only thing is they don't show commercials during play.

LAX is a game for Native American warriors.  It doesn't belong in HSs as a game played among youth!

TV Timeouts are ruing professional sports.

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:25 AM

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed

on Thu, Oct 1 2009 3:05 PM

"Baseball is truly dying among America's youth.  Not sure how to turn that trend around.

 Well, Ill be a blue nosed gopher  just several weeks ago during the conversation about depleted talent sources, I had to resort to pointing out that very same thing to a few.  Good work.

Thundercrack wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:27 AM

I think Jack Wilson should be happy if he has choices to make next year.

Good points by Bishop regarding negotiating.

Who really knows what was said between Gayo, NH, and Plummer.  As a person Sano would have been treated just as well by the Pirates as the Twins.  His agent left money on the table.  Plummer would have gotten more money from the Pirates , so he probably should have let the Pirates think they were in control.  He and his client win in the end.

I am not quite at the 'excited for next year stage' yet. I need some time to decompress.  But the area that I am most positive about is the pitching staff.  I think the starters can be very good -and there are some good arms in the pen.  Plus we know who not to have out in the pen.

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:29 AM

And here I thought the Hacker Clapper was going to be a way to magically turn my golf game on and off.

This is very disappointing.

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:30 AM

Bish,

I have experience negotiating too.

You can always get a better deal if you keep trying and shopping around. The question is, at what point do you realize that continued shopping and negotiating has reached it's apex and is only producing inconsequential incremental gains and that it's time to close the deal?

Plummer told all the clubs he was dealing with that he was following a process.....he wanted to work through the age and identify investigation and then would field offers and negotiate. He interacted with all the interested clubs, received an offer that he felt topped out the process and made a commitment.

It's not his fault Huntington and Gayo worked the process like amateurs.

JosePagan wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:36 AM

And here I was thinking that even Hacker had a ways to go before he reached the level of admiration that Bixler gets here...

Jose

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Thundercrack wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:37 AM

Did anyone else see Kent Tekulve yesterday on the FSN post game show?   He was talking about Matt Capps and basically said that he thought he was throwing too many different types of pitches.  He should go back to throwing the 95 mph fastball that he had such good location with. He said he should move the fastball around more, instead of relying mixing other pitches like the slider and changeup.

He didn't seem to say that he should abandon them all together.  I took away from what he said that  having to change grips/arm speed/slots with the other pitches was compromising the control & accuracy he had with the fastball.

I think he may have a point.  But I admit that I was one that was calling for Capps to develop other pitches.  And I wonder if Capps can still throw it 95.

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:38 AM

"I never got cross country"

I'll save you my diatribe but I'll only say this.  Anyone can run.  Not anyone has the skills for baseball, basketball, etc.  So cross country participating continues to go up and up each year.  I'd rather see kids running than doing nothing.  It can change the course of their lives.

"Who would want to just run distances? "

Me and lots of people.  Marathoning continues to be at an all time high.

"TV Timeouts are ruing professional sports."

NFL broadcasts can be exasperating especially, IMO.  College football is even worse because the games are so much longer due to more stoppages of the clock like when they move the chains.

wozzle wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:42 AM

@ NuHo - "received an offer that he felt topped out the process"  

That he "felt" topped out the process?  That in itself violates the process.

Plummer let his insecurity get in the way of the process.  That and his great relationship with some of the Twin's management screwed his client, and to a lesser extent, himself.  

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:45 AM

JJ

Never said caps were illegal, though it is open to discussion whether Capps should be illegal :)

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:45 AM

"You can always get a better deal if you keep trying and shopping around. "

Always?

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:45 AM

@ Thundercrack

I want Capps to develop those pitches......

ON A DIFFERENT TEAM!  Forgot about that, but Neal dropped that one too.  Idc what his value was, anything with life is better than dead weight, and in my eyes, Capps takes the cake (literally) when it comes to dead weight.

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:46 AM

Now I am out for bit- carry on

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:49 AM

JAL, you punning me, you funny guy

wozzle wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:50 AM

RE Sano - I hate like hell the fact that the Bucs missed out on him; Gayo's statement that Sano's the best he's seen is good enough for me.  But when you give an agent that much authority over a prospect in the absence of legal protections for the client, you get what you get.

I'd suggest that in the absence of a draft, international FA acquisitions use a more rational process - a sealed bid auction, one time, one date, best offer up front.  The club that bids highest wins, no do-overs, no excuses.  Do it regionally to spread out the dates of acquisition.  Makes a helluva lot more sense than putting these poor kids at the mercy of agents that don't have their best interests at heart when conducting "negotiations".  

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:52 AM

re: Plummer leaving money on the table

I def think he did b/c I def think the Pirates would've exceeded $3.15mm for the kid.

With that said, he's the agent for his client Sano.  If it was Boras, Sano would probably be playing in Japan by now.  All stuff is subjective in this matter.  Plummer thought that was the best deal (also we must take into fact the organizations too.  Is a 3.15mm deal from the Twins BETTER than a 4mm deal from the Pirates?   Like I said, all subjective).  Plummer feels he got the best deal for Miguel.  It sucks for us, but such is life for Pirate fans.

O well, it wasn't the first time, and ladies and gents, I can assure you, it won't be the last time a prospect slips through the PBC's fingers.

wozzle wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:53 AM

One last before back to work - am I the only one here that believes Milledge's take out of Theriot in the first inning of game one yesterday sends a big message?  I didn't get a chance to see it, but it's something like "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore!".

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:56 AM

Good morning after a double header sweep inmates!

<<From Notebook "The Pirates still have no starter for their finale Sunday, as management mulls whether to send struggling Kevin Hart back to the mound."

<<Please.  I'm saying please.  I'm being nice.  After all, he probably has a mother or a wife and they may read this stuff.  I'm just saying please.>>

Drew - you are totally my favorite blogger right now. And DITTO.

Have a great winter Mr. Hart! Srsly! But PBC... please?

Mr. NuttingHostage - I challenge you to find the last time I posted "IT'S A CULTURE OF WINNING!" It's been months. I'm hopeful, not stupid. But you're welcome for providing you with fodder.

The Hacker Clapper story was AWESOME! Only Pittsburgh could have a horror writer speak up on a pitcher's debut during a season that has been horrific for so many! That's just hilarious - I'm so glad the guy came forward!

Let's Go BUCS!

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:01 AM

Is it me, and I know this is harsh, but is Plummer like one of those AAU basketball sneaker reps?

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:04 AM

21

Spot on.  I ran XC in the fall in high school.  Many of us used it as a vehicle to  get into shape for our very competitive indoor track season.  Some of my finest early memories came from the fraternity between us harriers.  

It is as much a sport about man vs himself as opposed to man vs competition.  

I still enjoy it today.

BobinFranklinPark wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:06 AM

Interesting column by Tom Boswell in today's Wshington Post.  Change the names here and there, and I believe that DK has written this same story a time or two ove r the past few years.

www.washingtonpost.com/.../AR2009093004563.html

Bishop wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:08 AM

NuHo,

I understand your point about Plummer saying he had a process that he wanted to follow, and perhaps Gayo was too zealous in working around it.  However, if the family was calling Gayo and asking him to be involved, Gayo risks damaging the relationship he'd worked hard to establish if he does not respond.  All reports out of the DR are that family trust and relationship is very important in these matters, so Gayo had to walk a very fine line between adhering to Plummer's wishes and alienating the family.

Also, it doesn't sound to me like Plummer actually shopped around to reach that incremental gain stage.  Would it have been so hard for Plummer to call the Pirates after getting the Twins' offer and say "Minnesota is offering $3.15.  Can you do better?  You know Miguel really wants to play for the Pirates, so if I can justify economically, we can turn down the Twins and come on board with you."  

Negotiating isn't eBay, where there's a time limit or a "Buy It Now" option.  He didn't let the process fully play out because he was ticked off at the Pirates, and he got a lesser deal for his client because of it.

leadoff wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:16 AM

Sano Deal:

First of all since there were no binding rules of negotiation set up that I could see, there is no real way to say who was right or wrong in this case.

In real estate negotiations, Plummer could have been sued by his client and he would have lost.

In Major League Baseball I have not seen the rules for negotiations.

Internationally I do not believe there are any rules for baseball negotiations.  

Plummer the way I see it could do what he wanted and he did. The Pirates no matter who did the negotiating (Outside Firm) still would not have gotten Sano if Plummer did not want them to. Bottom Line.

That goes for any other team in baseball.

Curious though, could anyone tell me why such a gifted, fabulous player would not have had the doors knocked down to get him if he were that good, where were the other teams?

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:21 AM

"It is as much a sport about man vs himself "

Absolutely Cave.  I played sports in high school but I didn't starting running until 13 years ago and now I am totally obsessed.  

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:21 AM

According to JR, Lastings has been on a mission since coming to the Bucs.

Let's hope that mission continues into 2010.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:21 AM

My only dealings with agents have been in Hollywood.

There are many reasons to sign on with an agent.  Credibility, tie -ins, reputation, negotiating ability, not to mention a belief in "you the client's" current and future abilities.  

If Plummer laid out the terms for the negotiations as he stated, then that should have been enough to dictate the process.  

His actions after the signing,  of appearing on the blogs and chatting up the process,  I believe,  is what will damage his reputation going forward.  

No one signing on with an agent wants to feel that possibility of exposure threatening the privacy that most wish to ensure.

Bizrow wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:25 AM

Thunder - getting sucked in with hope for next year

I made myself a promise never to go there again, but every year I say that, come the next bit of positive news about the club (we are due for something, aren't we??), I will be thinking of the thrill of April and will end up with a ridiculous won-lost prediction again next year.

You can't teach old dogs new tricks...  I'm living proof

Bishop wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:25 AM

leadoff wrote:

"Curious though, could anyone tell me why such a gifted, fabulous player would not have had the doors knocked down to get him if he were that good, where were the other teams?"

_____________________________________________

And this wins for question of the day, week, month and most likely season.  

Twins, Orioles and Pirates were the only teams in on a kid who was being touted as "Albert Pujols in Hanley Ramirez' body", IIRC?  

Not saying that the Pirates certainly could not have used him in their system and that it's good the Twins made the investment, but it certainly is a mystery why 27 other teams, especially the Yankees and Angels and Cubs and big-money teams were not falling all over themselves to get this kid into their fold.

JoeBucco wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:28 AM

I don't want this to have a negative connotation at all, but with 14,500+ posts on here, can I ask what do you do JAL? I appreciate the passion, but just curious how you can dedicate that much time. I feel like I post a lot, and I'm at like 200 posts and have been on here since day one.   :)

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:30 AM

Bishop,

There have been reports that the Red Sox and even the Yankees won't deal with Plummer. Maybe some other teams too and maybe some were scared off by the age thing?

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:33 AM

where were the other teams?

===========================

Rene Gayo was asking himself that very question.  Apparently the Twins had someone there.  Or was it the Rangers from like 3 years ago?  I don't know ;)

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:35 AM

Bishop

The kudos for Sano, as far as I know, came from Gayo and Plummer.

Other organizations may have had different opinions of him,

which gets us back to Plummer's credibility.

Even if he was as advertised, "you can't buy them all".  

Bishop wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:38 AM

21...

I've seen those reports as well, and it's because they feel Plummer is unethical and a scumbag.  However, if Sano is as talented as touted, being compared to two of the top 10 (15?) players in baseball, you'd think they would put their personal feelings aside to get that kid in their organization.

Also, on the age thing, even if he were a couple of years older, does that significantly downgrade his abilities to the point that only a couple of bottom-feeders and an obsessively-frugal organization would be interested?  I could see it if he were 24, but he was rumored to possibly be 17 or 18; can't see how conceivably 13 months makes terribly much difference when you are talking about a transcendent talent.

JosePagan wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 11:59 AM

No offense gang, but I am confused.

The NuHo line was drawn at the term "sleazy."

So far, Plummer has been described as a pimp and a scumbag, among other things.

Now, I know agents aren't the most popular folks on the planet, but can someone explain to me the difference here?

Thanks.

Jose

11

leadoff wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:02 PM

Bishop

There may be a few reasons why other teams did not go after him, but I think we can rule out dealing with Plummer, I don't know of any team that does not deal with Boras.

I don't think other teams are afraid of anything, I think it may come down to just how much talent he really has.

When Pujols comes on the market everything will be handled differently, every team in baseball would have a shot at him and every team would want him. Money will talk when that happens.

Remember the Twins and the Pirates are very much into development with raw talent and they will wait for them to develop. The Yankees and Boston are not necessarily the same, not that they never do it.

Bishop wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:04 PM

Jose,

Fair enough.  I repost my previous comment without the offensive term as you pointed out.

21...

I've seen those reports as well, and it's because they feel Plummer is unethical and acts unprofessionally.  However, if Sano is as talented as touted, being compared to two of the top 10 (15?) players in baseball, you'd think they would put their personal feelings aside to get that kid in their organization.

Also, on the age thing, even if he were a couple of years older, does that significantly downgrade his abilities to the point that only a couple of bottom-feeders and an obsessively-frugal organization would be interested?  I could see it if he were 24, but he was rumored to possibly be 17 or 18; can't see how conceivably 13 months makes terribly much difference when you are talking about a transcendent talent.

JosePagan wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:11 PM

No worries, Bishop. Thanks

Jose

12

wormburner wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:11 PM

For all this banter about Gayo being repeatedly called upon by Sano's family, a simple "I am sorry but my superiors are now in negotiations with your son's agent and I must defer to them" could have gone a long way.  The sympathy card isn't going to cut it when you're sending a strong impression of going behind an agent's back.  Gayo is a scout and thereby a team representative, and he should have bowed out once the front office started dealing with Plummer.

pghboyinca wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:14 PM

 Is anyone else noticing the hypocrisy about the whole Sano affair in regards to him being "our savior" up until 48 hours ago and now he is one of the following. A) Not as good as advertised because the Yanks and Sox were not bidding B) Not 16 and a risk because of that C) represented by a greedy no good scum bag who dares set foot on JAL's precious territory D) The cause of swine flu , Aids, and whatever else haunts the world

   With the simple act of signing with the Pirates 49 hours ago he would be hailed as the next Roberto and the F.O. would be praised by Nuttig as the best management team in all business domestically and internationally. Whether it is Sean Burnett, Sano, Hinske, NuHo :), or whoever doing anything that isn't in the best interest of the PBC makes you a pariah on this blog.

    We were out maneuvered and lost someone we wanted and targeted, clear and simple . Let it go. As a fan of the PBC  we have had a lot of practice being disappointed.

   With this ownership group and F.O. we will have plenty of other opportunity to point fingers at other "bad guys" who choose other options. Let's focus on more important issues like guys who absolutely stunk it up all year when it counted but will get hot against other teams AAA players so that most people here can feel good about the Bay trade.

  I also think we over paid for DY. Look at his strikeout numbers, he leads the team. Look at his slugging percentage and OBP. And his bat is supposedly the reason we will put up with him having a garbage can lid rather than a glove out there playing second base? The Dodgers didn't get to be the organization they are by giving away very many quality major league players for $1.      

Spike Crain wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:21 PM

Speaking of Albert Pujols - I don't even think the Cardinals knew what they had when they signed him.  He was too young, at that point, to be fully evaluated.  They just knew that they had a good raw talent.  He, and they, worked to  develop his gifts until today it's apparent to everyone - he's obviously "Albert Pujols"!

And I think the same is true of our friend, Miguel Sano.  Only Time will tell.  (...To coin an original and quite catchy phrase...!)

pghboyinca wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:27 PM

Jose,

  Surely you jest? The line is not what you post but who posts it. NuHo was also censored for dominating the board when he posts 1/10th of the time that JAL does. Also it seems using a term about Nuttig can get you censored where some far more derogatory against Sano can fly by.  Nuttig=good guy according to the majority on the board Sano=anti Christ to most on the board (No offense to DK but everyone needs to protect their base, Republicans with the Christian coalition and the Dems with Unions and trial lawyers)

leadoff wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:43 PM

I think in this case the Pirates should take a long look at what happened.

I do think Huntington has done a very good job of stockpiling talent throughout the organization, I believe that many successful teams hire an agent of their own to handle certain negotiations, example,Omar with the Steelers. I believe it would benefit the Pirates to go that route, not that they can not do it, but I think someone with total control over negotiations from start to finish that is a professional at it is a better way to go than trying to stretch other people's talents out.

On this issue I think the Pirates should rethink their position.

I am sure Huntington has plenty of experience at negotiating, but he has another job these days, too many hats can be a bad idea!

This does not in any way point fingers at the Pirates or Plummer for the negotiations for Sano,

I think a situation like this brings a red flag up and the Bucs should address it.

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:45 PM

"Is anyone else noticing the hypocrisy about the whole Sano affair in regards to him being "our savior" up until 48 hours ago and now he is one of the following. "

Who felt he was  a savior?

leadoff wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:55 PM

21

"Is anyone else noticing the hypocrisy about the whole Sano affair in regards to him being "our savior" up until 48 hours ago and now he is one of the following. "

Who felt he was  a savior?

____________________________

No, I did not notice any Hypocrisy, just opinions, those are always subject to change.

Speaking for myself, I don't think anyone is a savior, I don't think any baseball people would think that way.

You break down the club, look at what you need to succeed and try to get it. Simple to me.

The Deacon wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:56 PM

At least I was close on the record (64-98).

But why did I think they would jack out 149 HRs?  I probably thought Andy LaRoche and Moss would get slightly more, and McLouth and Adam LaRoche would be here all year.

Thundercrack wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:56 PM

I am getting a little tired of the Sano talk.

But I do think it is amusing & ironic that there seems to be near total agreement that this was one move that the outcome wasn't about money.  It seems that the Buc would have paid the price.

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 12:57 PM

A couple of you are a bunch of whiners and martyrs about the whole censorship hooey.  Get over it.

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:05 PM

A couple of you are a bunch of whiners and martyrs about the whole censorship hooey.  Get over it.

============================================

21s

Uh oh. U done done it now!

Bizrow wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:13 PM

Thundercrack - Sano

You never know if we would have payed or not, although I agree with you that we would have.

That being said, losing him is not totally Plummers involvement, hopefully our FO will learn and grow from the way this went down.

You know, its gonna be a long offseason, what are we going to worry/talk about??

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:14 PM

"Uh oh. U done done it now!"

I'm afraid so and what's worse, I've disrespected Dejan in the process.  But they're embarrasing themselves.

OCD wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:16 PM

Cave and 21 and anybody else interested, I read 'Born To Run' earlier in the month. Although his writing style drove me nuts at times, it ignited a desire to run that I never had. If you haven't already, pick it up. Fun book. And one more thing, run barefoot!

BFD wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:20 PM

"a mystery why 27 other teams, especially the Yankees and Angels and Cubs and big-money teams were not falling all over themselves to get this kid into their fold."

-------------------------

This was a very predictable response by the Nuttingites....... No where on this board were these thoughts mentioned prior to the latest FO blunder..... now this kid might not be Roberto II.

also,

Pghboy and Nohu -

Come one...... we all know JAL is in fact Dejean.:)

definitely a pro-nutting theme by the sensor on this board.  Plummer may be a bum, but the irrational hatred towards him and blind faith in that no good low down scoundrel Nutting is quite baffling...... which is why I truly believe some posting here are in fact on Nuttings payroll.

RAISE THE JOLLY ROGER PLUMMER

Spike Crain wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:22 PM

OCD -

  You almost had me - until the "...barefoot!" thing.  The thought of all those creepy-crawlies was too much for me - hey, maybe I have OCD!

Spike Crain wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:25 PM

BFD -

  "RAISE THE JOLLY ROGER PLUMMER"  -  that was too cute!  I almost snorted my lunch!

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:27 PM

@Spike:

<<Speaking of Albert Pujols - I don't even think the Cardinals knew what they had when they signed him.  He was too young, at that point, to be fully evaluated.  They just knew that they had a good raw talent.  He, and they, worked to  develop his gifts until today it's apparent to everyone - he's obviously "Albert Pujols"!

And I think the same is true of our friend, Miguel Sano.  Only Time will tell.  (...To coin an original and quite catchy phrase...!)>>

While Albert is arguably the best player in the MLB, the Cards wouldn't be pushing into the post season if he was the only good player on that team.

I personally would have liked to have Sano in the Pirates system, but he needs to be developed and make his MLB debut on a team of talent in order to reap the most of his talent.

As for "why weren't the Yankees pushing for Sano?" I think the answer is simple: If he's really the second coming of No. 21, they'll buy him when he hits the majors, as money is no object. Why invest now? Let someone else do the grunt work and develop a kid that may or may not pan out.

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:28 PM

@ BFD

Do you wanna get censored?!?!?!?!

Keep it up buddy, keep.it.up.  I'll have you censored so fast....

WOOOOOO

Knock yo shoes off :)

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:31 PM

Thanks OCD.  I'll have to check it out.

Not sure about the barefoot running though!  Maybe in the winter?  But I would save about $500 a year.

Spike Crain wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:36 PM

POH -

   Agreed!  Agreed!  ...Especially your latter point.  It's so true that the big $$$ teams allow the rest of us to do the scouting, singing and developing of players that they can pick up later - when we can no longer afford them - I guess that's just "Life at the Top!"

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:42 PM

@ Spike and PoH

I wasn't going to say anything, but now since Spike chimed in....

Why do the Yankees (or teams with much dinero to spend) have minor league affiliates?  Why do they draft FYPs?  If they're just going to buy these guys anyway when they become "too expensive" whats the sense in wasting taht money on guys that will never play for you anyway?

Obviously, yes, they could have the mindset that well if he DOES turn into something we can get him then, but i also think there had to be another issue or issues that kept teams away and I think it was mainly the age thing (and some have suggested they don't like dealing with Plummer).

Groat2Maz2Strangeglove wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:44 PM

Serious question——

I witnessed in person the Andy LaRoche 5 - 5, 2 HR, 6 RBIs

I watched on TV last night Ryan Doumit go 4 - 4, with HR, 2B, 4 RBIs

When LaRoche had his day, I remember thinking:  Wow!  Career day! Great job!  He'll never have a day like this again!

When I watched Doumit, he was right on the ball with every swing, hitting it squarely each time.  Line drives!  That homer against the wind was a monster!  I thought:  that's the Doumit I'm a believer in!!

Like Jeff Karsten's near Perfect Game, it was fun to listen to, but it was a freaky thing, not likely to happen again.  That's how I saw LaRoche's day.

I was more taken with Doumit's 4 - 4 performance than LaRoche's 5 - 5.

I think Doumit can repeat those swings.  I was more impressed with his day rather than LaRoche's 'lucky' day.

Agree?  Disagree?

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:53 PM

Groat:

AGREE  AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREEE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE

Ryan has that kind of power, that kind of swing.  That's why even the management team that didn't like him wanted him in the batting order.

Last night on the broadcast, John Wehner advocated setting a smaller number of games for Doumit to play. He said (for those who don't get FSN) that instead of moving him to right or first to get his bat in, give him five games out of seven and two days rest every week as a means to keep him healthy. His at bats would be more meaningful, and if he stayed healthy more beneficial to the team, than running him out there with only a game off every 10 games or so, and then having something happen to take him out for a stretch of time. That's what Wehner said.

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:59 PM

POH,

"I personally would have liked to have Sano in the Pirates system, but he needs to be developed and make his MLB debut on a team of talent in order to reap the most of his talent."

Please elaborate because I interpret that to say that you do not expect the Pirates to be fielding "a team of talent" in 3 to 5 season that could "reap the most of his talent" so why bother having good prospects?

I don't know what you are trying say with anything after "but......".

BFD wrote re: Morning links: Hacker Clapper revealed
on Thu, Oct 1 2009 1:59 PM