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Morning links: Capps as closer?

By Dejan Kovacevic | 12:40 a.m. Monday

Drowned out by the ridiculous comeback your club made yesterday was that Matt Capps again faltered late, again gave up a bunch of hits and again did not put his team in the best position to win.

It is killing him, to be sure, to be pitching like this. But the larger issue is whether or not it will be killing the Pirates into the future.

Neal Huntington said yesterday that Capps will be the closer next spring.

"Barring some unforeseen circumstance, if Matt comes into camp in the best shape, ready to pitch, he will be our closer," Huntington said. "We absolutely believe in him. If it doesn't work out, we have other options with Joel Hanrahan, Jesse Chavez and Evan Meek."

Do not read too much into the "best shape" line. That is standard for Huntington when discussing any incumbent for next spring and, as has been addressed here before, no one is down on Capps' conditioning.

But know this, too: The Pirates have everything to gain from saying Capps will be their closer, if only to enhance his trade value this offseason. Remember that they did offer him to teams at the past deadline, but his value was low. Remember, too, that closers can be the most over-valued commodity in the business, and teams that acquire them through trades often overpay, upon hindsight analysis. Closers can be created and often are. Ask Ryan Franklin in St. Louis.

What happens with Capps could be one of the offseason's most interesting developments.

Linkage to the general coverage ...

> Game story: Pirates 6, Dodgers 5. Lastings Milledge registers another one on the Pirates' wow meter, which only goes to show that every team -- no matter its record -- still ends up producing at least a handful of these over 162. There was some good pitching in this one, notably Daniel McCutchen, who looked comfortable out there against an exceptional lineup. Box score

> Audio: Milledge, on his big hit.

> Notebook: Why is Frank Coonelly the only one vocally upset by the season? Huntington addresses the question. Also, Pedro Alvarez and Brad Lincoln win gold medals.

> Left over from Sunday: The annual player survey is this week's On the Pirates feature. And, on the Forum's Next Page, there is a piece on the legacy of Hank Greenberg.

> Chat: None today because of the day game, obviously. It will return for a final session Oct. 5.

And from other realms ...

> Video: Highlights from yesterday, from MLB.com.

> Opponent: The Dodgers, by the Los Angeles Times' Dylan Hernandez.


Posted Sep 28 2009, 12:40 AM by Dejan Kovacevic

Comments

gerardsmith wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 12:56 AM

Yeah, DK. can't ya just hear Huntington suggesting that McCutcheon, Jones, Chavez, and Vasquez would do well to report to camp "in the best shape, ready to go"?  Capps is outa shape and so are some others who need to run off the fat.  The message was loud and clear.  

Dejan Kovacevic wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 1:01 AM

@Gerard: Could be. Just letting you know that he says it a lot. Even referenced Maholm and Duke that way recently, and both are in exemplary shape.

bucsfancents80 wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 1:02 AM

Its 2006 all over again.  Loved it when the Mets left town after we swept them in spetember of that year.  They thought they had the division clinched each day of that series....NOPE!

Great game to watch on tv today.  should have had the game Sat night too...that's the most empty seats I have ever seen at a Skyblast game that I attended.  where were those casual fans we all love so much?

Steve Lyons bolted the broadcast booth thinking there was going to be a celebration in the clubhouse.  Kept that game on the dvr to watch over the long winter.  It'll be fun to rehash all of the snooty comments the primeticket announcers made all day long when I watch that game again.  The play by play guy pretty much bashed Primanti Brothers.  We'll see what kind of attitudes they have on today's broadcast.

Dangerously close to passing Baltimore and moving to 3rd for next year's draft.  then again we're heading on the road...that'll take care of that problem...2nd it is!

gerardsmith wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 1:04 AM

Can't wait for Pedro to get here so we can platoon him and Andy at 3B.  

bucsfancents80 wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 1:06 AM

for those who have forgotten:

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Joey Bats wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 5:11 AM

Today is MADD MONDAY and we review the ….

******** Nate McLouth – Charlie Morton Trade *******

On June 3…Nate McLouth was traded to the Braves for Charlie Morton, Gorkys Hernandez and Jeff Locke. Here’s how the players have performed for their new teams since the 6/3/09 trade.  

Stats thru Sep.27 …

Nate McLouth – Atlanta – OF – Bats L  

9 HR 33 RBI .265  ** 77 G,  313 AB, 54 R, 83H, 61K, 39 BB, 11 SB ** .352 OBP .196 SLG

Charlie Morton – Pittsburgh – RHP

4-9,  5.01 ERA  **  17 G, 88 IP, 98 H, 7 HR, 54K, 37 BB  **  1.53 WHIP .288 OP.AVG

Gorkys Hernandez – Altoona – OF – Bats R (minor league season over)

3 HR 31 RBI  .262  **  86 G, 344 AB,  45 R, 90 H, 76K, 24 BB, 9 SB ** .312 OBP .340 SLG

Jeff Locke – Lynchburg – LHP - (team won the coveted Mills Cup Title !! )

4-4,  4.08 ERA ** 17 G,  81.2 IP, 98 H,  4HR, 56 K, 18 BB  **  1.42 WHIP  .305 OP.AVG

NOTE:  Jeff  pitched 5 2/3 scoreless innings and allowed three hits in Game 3 of the Northern Division playoffs. He struck out five, walked one in that first round game of the playoffs. While Lynchburg  lost that game, they eventually won that playoff round….and the coveted Mills Cup Title.

7777777777777777777

On TUMULTUOUS TUESDAY we update the Morgan/Burnett trade stats....

JHadar wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 5:33 AM

If I made the scoring rules, I'd change the figuring of the winning pitcher so that he had to both pitch and exit with the lead, not merely be the "pitcher of record" when the winning run is scored.

In a game like Capps pitched yesterday, the win would be decided in the same manner as when a starter has the lead but doesn't go five innings -- the most effective pitcher.

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 5:42 AM

Flipping through the notebook, I see this from Freddy:Everybody I came up with got traded. Once you make a decision like that, it's hard to go back

When Maz gets around to doing his archives work he will find i supposed this very same thing back when they went to the print guys who printed their contract talk, I said they are gone.

www.youtube.com/watch

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 5:46 AM

JHADAR, never will see that happen, But why not just a new catagory

 Most Effective Pitcher, only when you are not the winner and the team has won.

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 5:48 AM

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Joey Bats wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 6:31 AM

$$$$$  BODY WATCH – ATTENDANCE AT MLB PARKS $$$$$

Stats thru 9/27/09 …

NL Central update:  St.Louis and Milwaukee have exceeded 3 million in attendance;  Chicago and Houston have exceeded 2 million in attendance.  

30. Oakland……78 dates ** 1,361,099 tot  **  17,449 avg.

29. Florida…….78 dates ** 1,464,109 tot  **  18,770 avg.

28. PIRATES …..80 dates ** 1,561,157 tot  **   19,514 avg.

29. Cincinnati……75 dates ** 1,650,336 tot **    22,004 avg

30. Cleveland…..77 dates ** 1,726,282  tot  **   22,419 avg.

*****

2.   NY Yanks …….78 dates **3,582,260 tot   **  45,926 avg.

1.   LA Dodgers…...78 dates**3,601,611 tot  **   46,174 avg.

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Joey Bats wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 6:38 AM

BAHHH ...don't be confused by  typo/numbers above ...Cincy ranks #27 ...Cleveland ranks #26

My Bad.

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 6:46 AM

Morning Links Part 2

Play by Play of a comeback

scores.espn.go.com/.../playbyplay

Nats' MVP started at the top

washingtontimes.com/.../nats-mvp-started-at-the-top

Preview of Today's game

www.cbssports.com/.../MLB_20090928_LA@PIT

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 6:54 AM

THE OFFICIALLY UNOFFICIAL PBC BLOGS AND MLB LINKS: Part 1

Bucs Limp Home In Another Season Of Wither

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Bucs Dugout--Pirates Improbably Beat Dodgers on Lastings Milledge's Walk-Off Hit

www.bucsdugout.com/.../pirates-improbably-beat-dodgers-on

Why Gavs--Pirates 6 Dodgers 5

whygavs.com/.../game-154-pirates-6-dodgers-5.html

Pittsburgh Lumber Company--Bucs Stage Improbable Comeback in Victory

mvn.com/.../bucs-stage-improbable-comeback-in-victory.html

Raise the Jolly Roger--Cheer Up

raisethejollyroger.com/.../cheer-up-dodgers-5-pirates-6

Hyzdu Headquarters-Curb Your enthusiasm

hyzduhq.blogspot.com/.../curb-your-enthusiasm.html

The Green Weenie--Yes, the Fans Do Appreciate It

oldbucs.blogspot.com/.../yes-fans-do-appreciate-it.html

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 7:05 AM

THE OFFICIALLY UNOFFICIAL PBC BLOGS AND MLB LINKS: Part 2

PBC Home Page-Bucs pull off improbable rally in ninth

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PBC Home Page--Jones makes push for NL rookie honors

pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/.../article.jsp

PBC Home Page--Two Bucs prospects help USA win gold

pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/.../article.jsp

Rumbunter--US Wins gold

rumbunter.com/.../united-states-wins-gold-in-10-5-win-over-cuba

MLB Transactions

www.cbssports.com/.../transactions

Bucco Fans--Cutting Belisario was not crazy

www.buccofans.com/.../cutting-belisario-was-not-crazy.html

Bucco Fans--Tean USA Brings Home the Gold

www.buccofans.com/.../team-usa-brings-home-gold.html

North Side Notch-Monday Notes: Can we win a series?

www.northsidenotch.com/.../monday-notes-can-we-win-series.html

Fire John Russell

http://firejohnrussell.com/

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 7:36 AM

The Neal Huntington Accountability Update:

Club Record as GM thru 9/27/2009:

Lastings Milledge's 9th inning dramatics on Sunday save Wrong Way Huntington from burrowing deeper into .300 territory and the need for Finger Pointer Frank to point his dreaded finger of blame at the players again:

======================================              Bonifay-------- 616 - 775 = .442 % - 4 / 9

Littlefield-------421 - 549 = .434 % - 2 / 6

Huntington----125 - 191 = .396 % - 2 / 2

Winning percentage + last place finishes during tenure

NuttingHostage wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 7:50 AM

JJ,

I have two questions I'd like you to ask Frank Coonelly at your upcoming pep rally:

1. Frank: Will you and Neal ever be accountable? Or will you always point your finger and blame someone else for your shortcomings? For example it was Scott Boras's and the KC Royals fault that you violated the collective bargaining agreement last year when you tried to submit a contract agreement that was reached after the collectively bargained deadline. Or when you blamed the fans for not coming out in greater numbers to see your last place club. Or when you blamed Ron Cook for not giving you a chance to "clarify" your own poorly worded comments. Or when you blamed the club with the lowest payroll in baseball and who own GM claims lacks a single established major league player for not playing better. - I mean really Frank, is anything ever your fault?

2. Frank: Recently you lashed out at the players on the Pirates for not playing better, even though your GM traded away most of the established players the club had resulting in the Pirates now having the lowest payroll in the sport, one that is 65% below the major league AVERAGE team payroll. You made clear the current level of play is not acceptable to you. My question is, what did you expect? Specifically, what is your expectation? If not .396 baseball? .414 baseball again like last season? .425? .450? .500? More than .500? - Frank what are your expectations of a club devoid of established major league talent and the lowest payroll in the entire sport?

Please let me know what he has to say.

Thanks.

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 8:16 AM

"Please let me know what he has to say."

You'll rip the answer anyways so what's the point?

Bizrow wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 8:17 AM

Good morning inmates, good tidings

Its hard to believe that the last chat will be next week, what are we going to do with ourselves?

Looking out my widow over the Ohio towards Midland, I would say that the odds are not good as to getting that last game in this afternoon.

21sthebest wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 8:24 AM

"Flipping through the notebook, I see this from Freddy:Everybody I came up with got traded. Once you make a decision like that, it's hard to go back"

JJ, I saw that this morning and I was somewhat puzzled by that comment.  All I can come up with is that Freddy wanted to be traded, was glad that he was traded, and now has an excuse to not want to come back.

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 8:44 AM

ants marching============================================

RichW wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 9:52 AM

"Its 2006 all over again.  Loved it when the Mets left town after we swept them in spetember of that year.  They thought they had the division clinched each day of that series....NOPE!"

Went to the bookend games of that series.  As I'd recently moved here and had been a Mets fan since '64, I tried to get to all the Mets games.

I remember the 3rd game of that series as that was 1st time Milledge played at PNC.  First time he got on, told my wife to "watch this kid, he's gonna be something special."  He got on a couple of times, took huge leads, danced around 1st base drawing a bunch of throws.  I recall my wife saying he looked like a young Rickey in both the talent and hot dogging department.

And now he's ours.

Kraig wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 11:35 AM

Trade Capps in the offseason for a bag of balls. If no takers, release him. He is absolutely awful and getting worse each time he takes the mound.

RichW wrote re: Morning links: Capps as closer?
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 12:47 PM

Interesting thing is some polls for CY have included Brian Wilson, whose percentage of blown saves is higher than Capps' (as are the BS% of a few other closers).  Difference being that Matt has been absolutely putrid in non-closing situations (and technically, that was the case yesterday) while some of these other closers are rarely used in those situations.

Of course those guys have had more closing opportunities than Matt.

Not really defending the guy, but he's far from Lidge territory, much as it seems he's been terrible lately.