PBC Blog

Authors

Post-Gazette beat writers Dejan Kovacevic and Chuck Finder blog about the Pittsburgh Baseball Club.

Register to comment
Guide to commenting

Syndication

Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?

By Dejan Kovacevic | 11:34 a.m. Wednesday

The Pirates' clubhouse is abuzz with word that a trade involving first baseman Adam LaRoche is imminent, and this is the reason the lineup has taken so long to get posted this morning.

That said, LaRoche is hitting in the indoor cage as I type this, and he probably will play this afternoon.

No word on a potential destination or anything like that just yet.

More as it comes, obviously.

UPDATE 11:47 a.m.: LaRoche is not in the lineup just posted.

11:58 a.m.: Word is that a LaRoche trade already is done, but this is unconfirmed. It also has not been denied by anyone with the team, either.

12:02 p.m.: Speculation among baseball people here from other teams is that LaRoche has been traded to the San Francisco Giants. Again, I stress, unconfirmed.

12:12 p.m.: LaRoche has been traded to the Boston Red Sox. No word on return yet. Still no official word of any kind from the team.

12:46 p.m.: Strange, but LaRoche is still sitting in the Pirates' dugout during the game. Hard to tell if he has a uniform on because he is wearing a jacket over the jersey, but he is wearing a Pirates cap. Could be that the Pirates are awaiting paperwork to be completed.

1:02 p.m.: Scouts in the seats are talking about how Jack Wilson may be involved in something, too. This is enormously unconfirmed, and it runs counter to information I have. But thought I would share. Do not take it for anything more than what the sentence actually says.

1:07 p.m.: The Pirates will receive two prospects, shortstop Argenis Diaz and pitcher Hunter Strickland, from Boston, according to the radio station WEEI in that city.

1:13 p.m.: Here are reference pages for Diaz and Strickland. Remember, these players coming here has not been independently confirmed.

1:18 p.m.: It is independently confirmed that it is Diaz and Strickland, thanks to the miracle of text messaging. Still no official announcement from the Pirates.

1:39 p.m.: Wilson absolutely, positively is not involved.

2:04 p.m.: More on Diaz, pictured at right: He is 22, bats right-handed and is batting .253 for Class AA Portland, with 14 doubles, one triple, no home runs and 24 RBIs in 76 games. His career average is .273, and his power output has been consistently low along. But Diaz is much better known for his defensive potential, which is rated as "plus-plus," in scouting terminology, and that is excellent. He occasionally struggles with the routine play -- 23 errors this season will support that -- but his range, arm and other facets are viewed as highly promising. Plus, baseball people always stress that errors in the minors do not make for much of an indicator, good or bad.

2:07 p.m.: And on Strickland, pictured at right: He is 20, is right-handed, 6 feet, 5 inches and has a fairly ordinary arm - fastball in the 88-90 mph range - but his results have been solid early in his professional career: He has a 3.67 overall ERA, including 3.35 to go with a 5-4 record for high Class A Greenville. He has 51 strikeouts, 13 walks in 83 1/3 innings.

2:20 p.m.: The prorated remainder of LaRoche's $7.05 million salary for this season is $2.95 million, which is how much the Pirates will keep if the Red Sox assume the whole cost. That probably will be the case, but that is not yet confirmed.

2:29 p.m.: Steve Pearce was just pulled out of Class AAA Indianapolis' game for a pinch-hitter in the fourth inning, even though he was the DH. He is the most logical choice to come up and support Garrett Jones at first base. Also, Lastings Milledge is not playing. Perhaps both of those come up, and Jeff Salazar goes back. This also would explain why John Russell just allowed Joel Hanrahan to bat for himself rather than using Salazar. If Salazar gets hurt, he stays on the major league DL.

 


Posted Jul 22 2009, 11:34 AM by Dejan Kovacevic

Comments

Life Irritates Art wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:38 AM

crossing my fingers

pi-rat wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:43 AM

adLa is a class guy and a great bench guy- I have enjoyed his quotes. I feel horrible that he did not blossom here. but look at the games like last nite...I think the clock is ticking and time to move on. I"M JONESIN" FOR JONES AT FIRST! we need space for blastings in the OF and the change of line-up, doumit healing and some games ahead means we can see how this all looks as we move for 2010. while my HR prognostication is only off by about 100 for the year, I look forward to some good wood at the plate the final months.

T-Long wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:43 AM

Get it done NEAL!!!!

Mside206 wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:47 AM

We are not lucky enough for anyone to take him with that enormous salary. Unless.....we are getting a bag of fungo bats in return!!!

jefft wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:47 AM

I completely agree with pi-rat...Adam seems like a class guy that just hasn't worked out as everyone had hoped. If he's traded (& even if he's not) I wish him the best.

Having said all of that, I'm surprised someone's dealing for him at this point. Didn't seem to be a market for him.

TJK33 wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:49 AM

Good luck Adam.  Shame you never lived up to your hype.  

TheSaltyRogue wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:50 AM

Ditto T-Long

Get it done Neal!

Literally any position at any level of the oragnization will suit me just fine as a return in a trade.  Class guy, but I'm done with him as a player on this team.

BayAreaBuccaneer wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:51 AM

Adam LaRoche and Dave Kerwin have been traded for a tee and an extra punching bag, to make it even easier for the Brewers to beat up on us.

naje wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:52 AM

If it is to happen, thanks for the professional effort...we all wish it would have been more productive, but we sure will miss that slick glove and the stand-up comments. Thanks, Adam and good luck...

ttoy44 wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:53 AM

ADAM

 will not be gone by himself, the trade will be larger

jefft wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:55 AM

Jack's not in the lineup, either. Hope that hammy's not too serious.

BuccoNation wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:55 AM

Woo Hoo! I see you Milledge!

IA Pirate wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:55 AM

Does anyone else hear Christmas music in the background?

TJK33 wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:56 AM

Just grabbed this of the ESPN insder....

"The Red Sox have been assessing possible trade targets for weeks as they consider ways to upgrade their offense, and sources tell ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney that first baseman Adam LaRoche of the Pirates is among the players on their radar.

LaRoche, 29, is hitting .247 with 12 homers and 40 RBI, and he's making $7.05 million. The asking price for LaRoche, rival executives say, is not going to be as high as it is for someone like Nick Johnson of the Nationals. "The Red Sox might just be able to make a deal by taking the contract," said one highly ranked official. Because Kevin Youkilis can play multiple positions, the Sox could theoretically use LaRoche as a first baseman on some days, with Youkilis moving to third, or if Mike Lowell had a setback, LaRoche could play first on a regular basis, with Youkilis moving to third full-time.

LaRoche also fits the Red Sox offense in that he is known as a patient hitter who has extended at-bats -- he's currently averaging 4.01 pitches per plate appearance."

Adam LaRoche is known as a patient hitter???  He has struck out 81 times in 87 games.  1 in every 4 AB's is a K.  4 pitches equals one ball and 3 swinging strikes for Adam.  Not sure how that equals patience!  

PantsLessChicoLind wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:58 AM

Agree and agree.  LaRoche has been a likeable guy, plays good defense.  however, for that salary, and those strike-out numbers, you would like to see more power.  LaRoche has had ample time to develop into a good player, he looks resigned to be a bench player now, or start for a comparable Pirate team (Washington, Florida?).

Let's put someone with real power and real power strikeout numbers at first.

BayAreaBuccaneer wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 11:58 AM

I for one have always liked Adam -- I loved the trade that brought him here, and loved that we got his brother.  Adam, I know things didn't work out for you the way everybody hoped, but your defense and the power you did show were greatly appreciated, as well as the professional way that you came to work every day.  Thanks for everything.  

That said, I hope we got something back for you.

TJK33 wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:00 PM

@ttoy44

I think you might be right...  depending on whether the team wants to get anything in return I would imagine the Pirates would have to send money and players.  

TBE255 wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:00 PM

Adam Laroche would be a great fit for Boston. He can provide a good bench player and spot-start from time to time.

tbebaseball.com/index.php (Great baseball forum, join today!

PantsLessChicoLind wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:01 PM

TJK33:

That was great, I love how people run with numbers without considering the meaning of the numbers.  Adam LaRoche is patient, this conclusion was made bc he averages 4 pitches an at bat.  Well, why is that?  First, he usually always watches a good, hittable strike go across the plate, then he take another ball, then he swings threw or around 2 breaking pitches, there's your 4 pitches per at bat!

TJK33 wrote re: Adam LaRoche trade close
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:02 PM

@Bay

Just creating a spot for Lastings to be moved up and let Jones play 1B every day is essentially getting something back.  Kind of like addition through subtraction.  

jefft wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Giants?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:05 PM

Man, if he's going to Boston...may have to (gulp!) have the Bosox as my 2nd favorite team, with Adam & Bay there.

Thanks again, Adam.

DK--I think it's a testament to your reporting--the servers at the PG are dying a painful death right now.

Bucco fan in NC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded, possibly to Giants
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:07 PM

I would rather pay the 3 mil or so we owe him and get 1 or 2 mid level prospects rather than a salary dump.  They may just be more depth for the system, which could allow us to trade for a MI prospect in the next year.

Bizrow wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded, possibly to Giants
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:08 PM

TJK33 - shouldn't cut and paste from another site, thats a no-no

Always had hope for Adam, I wish him good luck

Bet we don't get much for him though...

T-Long wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded, possibly to Giants
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:10 PM

Is there ANY possibility they land Jonathan Sanchez??  I highly doubt it because Freddy isn't involved...but hey we can dream

xatta wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded, possibly to Giants
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:10 PM

Let's hope it is the Giants and not the Red Sox. If it is Boston, the Pirates are probably getting Lugo as part of the deal. And if they get Lugo, we have our SS for next year.....

TJK33 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded, possibly to Giants
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:11 PM

@Bizrow

I can't cut and paste even if I give credit to the author and source?  Good to know.  

Dejan Kovacevic wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded, possibly to Giants
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:14 PM

Adam LaRoche has been traded to the Boston Red Sox. See above.

BayAreaBuccaneer wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:14 PM

Jonathan Sanchez is Ian Snell.  He's maddeningly inconsistent, and ultratalented. I know people saw the no-no and went "Oh yeah, get him!" but the guy was making a SPOT START because Randy Johnson was hurt. He had been demoted to the bullpen (instead of the minors because of option concerns) and the team was wondering if they could get anything for him.

JAL wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:14 PM

TJK33

Be careful--posting that much violates copyright law--that is why we post links.  You can post anything from the PG because this is their site but not from other sites.

Florist wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:15 PM

Jones should remain in the OF with Milledge on the other corner.   Pearce should be the one at !B.  They need to see what they have with Pearce as he is not far removed from being one of their better prospects.

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:18 PM

We got Bay back!

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:21 PM

Olney now reporting that a Pirate official states that Laroche has not been traded yet.  It was just updated.  What is going on?

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:24 PM

That said, I trust DK above all.

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:30 PM

Well, I had high hopes for him after he tore it up in April. But he was a real class act and even though his offense lagged, i'll miss him. Good luck in boston with Bay, Adam.

Any idea on who we possibly could get in return, i doubt anyone really good.

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:32 PM

I have been hoping Adam would be traded but now that it has happened, I am kind of bummed.  I remember how much hype surrounded the guy and it just sucks that he turned out to be just another let down.

John Lease wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:37 PM

I'm sure we'll get LOTS in return...

TJK33 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:40 PM

@JAL

Good to know.  I didn't think there would be much difference between the link and what was said at the link.  

I am a bit concerned at this point...  I hope the Pirates didn't get worked over by Theo.  

TripleG wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:43 PM

MLB Complaint of the day:

The game is not televised, yet I am blacked out on MLB.TV because I theoretically live "too close" to Milwaukee... I'm not even close.  How much money do I actually have to spend to watch every game MLB?  $700 a year not enough?  Fine.  Let me know the amount and I'll pay it.

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:45 PM

The Boston Globe is just quotng DK's report so they have nothing original on their site.  Trying to find out what we got in return.

Bizrow wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:47 PM

Man, did I have trouble getting back on here

As the Pirates Turn

But time for some afishing??

I think Braun went deep in the first, BTW

Bucco Nation (40 States in the Union)

Still looking for inmates from the following:

Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Hawaii, Minnesota, North Dakota,

Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Wyoming

We do have 11 countries represented: Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, England, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Phillipines, Scotland and lest I forget, the good old USA,

You know I’m missing people mates, thanks for any help to keep this list growing.  The next ten days, there might/will be all sorts of lurkers checking in.

Ryan Braun and Jason Kimball need not apply

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:48 PM

Greg Brown and Steve Blass just reported on the radio broadcast that Adam is on the Pirates bench.

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:49 PM

Gahhhhhhhhhhhhh, we give up a hr to Braun.

and as i typed this, Ryan hits a 2 run shot of his own. Thank you ryan.

Bucco fan in NC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:50 PM

Sign of things to come...

Garrett Jones - 2 out walk

Doumit - 2 run HR!!!

TJK33 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:50 PM

I find a couple things interesting so far...

1.  That its yet to be determined what the return is

2.  That every news source reporting the deal is using DK's info

Either the deal isn't finalized or they are just doing a great job of keeping it quiet.  Maybe another situation like we had with the Yankees in the Nady/Marte deal...  they agreed to a list of players to choose from just haven't determined which they wanted yet.  

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:52 PM

I think it is safe to say that Doumit probably has gotten his timing back now. He has been making some good contact lately.

Rich_in_Madison wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:53 PM

Adam may indeed have been a fine individual, but I'm glad to see him gone at this point.  So much was made of him being the big Lefty McThump the Bucs needed and he was mediocre at best and NEVER produced for a full year.

I think this will be good in the long-run regardless of what they get in return.  It gives Jones a place to play, which in turn will open up a place in the outfield for Milledge.  It's essentially like the Pirates cut Adam in my eyes.  I'm sure they will get some minor leaguer or two for him, if they pan out it will be just a bonus for unloading LaRoche.

Jake wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:53 PM

So who got the better end of the deal in the deal that sent LaRoche to Pittsburgh? Would you take Gonzo back if you could?

darylethepiratefan wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:55 PM

This is the greatest, I mean look at our new lineup as of right now with JONES at first, 2-1 , DAMM NOW 2-2, What is up with PAUL MAN I dont see him here very much longer..

8.5 GB LETS GO

darylethepiratefan wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:55 PM

This is the greatest, I mean look at our new lineup as of right now with JONES at first, 2-1 , DAMM NOW 2-2, What is up with PAUL MAN I dont see him here very much longer..

8.5 GB LETS GO

Bucco fan in NC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:55 PM

MI prospect with the Red Sox!

www.scoutingbook.com/.../p2192

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:56 PM

Paulie is not in top form, gave the lead right back. Nonetheless he gave up a double to a .196 hitter. Gah

Bizrow wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:57 PM

No problem TKJ33 - a lot of us inmates have made the same mistake ; }

Doumit went deep, 2-1 good guys, darn, didn't play him, thought he'd get a day off.

Now we know why Moss had two straight days off, they knew the trade was coming and he'd be playing today, needed the rest.. ; }

Well, lets see how long this takes to post...

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:59 PM

bucco fan in NC

Idk about that one, he seems like he has too much upside for the sox to want to give him away. But hey if we get him, by god this deal would become amazing.

marty34156 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 12:59 PM

Adam, you were a great teammate and great locker room guy too bad you couldn't live up to all the hype surronding you when you got here wish you well. Now I am surprised anyone would want him doubt we got much of anything in return. Also good to see Doumit power swing return today and what has happened to Paul of late!?

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:00 PM

Ha that is what Kendall gets for all that crap monday. lol

TJK33 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:01 PM

Ut oh....  if Adam is still in the dug out there might be a chance that the deal fell apart.   Really concerns me that no other news source has any info on this.  

@Jake

Can't really say the deal worked out for either team.  If you wanted to give an advantage I would say its ATL since they got Lillebridge that I believe they packaged in the deal for Vazquez while our prospect I think was actually demoted recently.  

darylethepiratefan wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:01 PM

Why in the world would ADAM still be in the dugout....OMG!!! , I dont think he got traded.......

@DK

I am going crazy , please tell me he got traded...:(

Bizrow wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:03 PM

Maybe the delay in the trade is getting the ok regarding the amount of cashola going from here to the BoSox?  I think over a million needs budmeister approval, and if we're going to get anything for Adam, we're going to have to kick in $$, big time...

Baywatch wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:08 PM

Couple of things I don't like right now ...

Hopefully, Maholm is getting settled down ... they're tagging Maholm pretty well ... Hall always seems to get a meaty one from him. I hate it when we get some runs for Maholm, and he's on one of his poor day.

Also, don't like seeing Adam in the dugout ... maybe paperwork, as DK says ... just hanging my hat on DK's word that he has been traded, trusting he got it straight from Huntington, off the record or something. Just makes me a little nervous ...

jefft wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:11 PM

link from Boston's WEEI...Bucs would get SS Argenis Diaz & pitcher Hunter Strickland...

fullcount.weei.com/.../report-red-sox-acquire-adam-laroche

jefft wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:12 PM

link from Boston's WEEI...Bucs would get SS Argenis Diaz & pitcher Hunter Strickland...

fullcount.weei.com/.../report-red-sox-acquire-adam-laroche

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:15 PM

mlbtraderumors.com report the return is pitcher Hunter Strickland and shortstop Argenis Diaz.

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:16 PM

should not have said report, they said it came from Boston's WEEI, which I now see jefft already posted.

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:18 PM

Attaboy AMac. Hitting number 3. I see this kid hitting 10-15 in a couple of years.

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:19 PM

If the report is true, we must have eaten a big chunk of Adam's salary.  Unless the Sox feel bad about how badly they screwed us over in the Bay trade from last season. ;)

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:20 PM

Cutch has gone long.  Also, one scouting report states that SS Diaz could be a future gold glove MLB SS.

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:23 PM

@bucfaninCT

If you stretch out what Cutch has already done, he would be on pace for at least 10 homers this season.  He has hit 3 in a little over a month and a half.

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:23 PM

Alright, power display today. Lets hope Paul can hold this lead.

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:27 PM

Well then, i guess they found the SS of the future. Other guy sounds average and would be a bonus if he turns into something.

darylethepiratefan wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:27 PM

3 HOMERS in one inning on the day ADAM gets traded, a sign of the future, come on Paul , SHUTE EM DOWN, PLEASE.

From what I see Diaz is a STUD SS, Chalk another up for NEAL MAYBE????

LETS GO

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:29 PM

Lumber Co. 2009.  OK, not really.

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:29 PM

Dave Kerwin,

thanks for that, i shall now change my prediction to 15-20 lol.

And Doumit hits his second of the day and 3 in the INNING. OMG, where was this last night? jeez

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:32 PM

The Baseball Cube link for Diaz shows Greenville as a AA Southern League club.

It used to be, but is currently the Sox low a South Atlantic League affilliate, similar to our WV Power.  

Baywatch wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:32 PM

Rhino's Back! (That's what I call Ryan).

Hopefully there's no letup and Maholm gets settled in. Three runs isn't safe vs. the Brewers.

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:33 PM

Trade for Diaz = Jack's departure.  Looks like a Jack Wilson clone, fantastic glove and not much of a bat.

Getwonkafied wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:34 PM

I know you guys want to get excited, but Argenis Diaz is nothing more than organizational filler at this point.

Joey Bats wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:36 PM

DK *** let's HOPE this is a 3 way trade and that the P-G can pick up TWO additional hamsters to help run the server!!!!...gawd , trying to get in has been a nightmare  ;-)

******

Let me start a long list of those sorry to see Adam sorry to leave....

1. Andy L

2. PaPa LaRoche

3.

4.

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:36 PM
buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:36 PM

Any guess on who will be called up to take Adams spot? My guess is Pearce b/c he gives us another option at first, unless they want to bring up Milledge now, which i would be all for that happening.

jefft wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:37 PM

I have a feeling Bizrow is right...some cash is probably going Boston's way--that's what is holding up the announcement.

jefft wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:39 PM

Getwonkafied--I think you're right about that...Diaz isn't even in the top 25 Boston prospects, & Strickland isn't in the top 35.

JAL wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:39 PM

Biz'

I am having trouble getting this site to work too.

Moneyball wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:40 PM

Let's assume the Bucs get rid of a portion of LaRoche's salary via the trade.  

Does this enable us to sweeten the offer for Sano?  

If so, this is a fantastic deal regardless of what the prospects we receive do.

bjm wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:40 PM

(In my best Bugs Bunny voice)...

Wham! Anudda homa!

Wham! Anudda homa!

Wham! Anudda homa!

GJones continues his odd run of only hitting solo HRs.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:41 PM

Diaz is Sox 17th rated prospect.  Strickland is not rated.

DaveKerwin wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:44 PM

@getwonkifed

The Red Sox did not view him as an "organizational filler".

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:45 PM

Diaz is currently batting .253 for Portland of the Eastern League, AA.

48jj wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:46 PM

I've been having a hard time with the blog. What's up today? LOL  ;)

I certainly did not see that one coming.

I liked  LaRoche  from what I read of him and from what I saw on interviews and "Inside Pirates Baseball." I very briefly met him once & got his autograph (and no, I don't care if adults shouldn't want them). I met his wife, and she is friendly. He actually seems personality-wise to make a good fit for Pittsburgh.

Unfortunately from a baseball standpoint, he just wasn't able to give the Pirates what they really needed. I wish him well in Boston.

Bizrow wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:47 PM

Ok, dare I try to refresh again??

BucFaninCT - IMO, its gotta be Milledge

Darn it, I can't believe I didn't play Doumit today, thats one reason I'm in 15th place in the Asylum league

Any one know if there is also a chat going on right now on this site, this is awful

Bizrow wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:48 PM

Ok, dare I try to refresh again??

BucFaninCT - IMO, its gotta be Milledge

Darn it, I can't believe I didn't play Doumit today, thats one reason I'm in 15th place in the Asylum league

Any one know if there is also a chat going on right now on this site, this is awful

Bizrow wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:48 PM

Ok, dare I try to refresh again??

BucFaninCT - IMO, its gotta be Milledge

Darn it, I can't believe I didn't play Doumit today, thats one reason I'm in 15th place in the Asylum league

Any one know if there is also a chat going on right now on this site, this is awful

JAL wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:48 PM

Buc fan CT

I would not guess Pearce-I think they already saw Pearce is not an answer and I do not think he will ever be--He is solid AAA player.    Milledge more likely as Jones moves from OF to first.

Bizrow wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:48 PM

Ok, dare I try to refresh again??

BucFaninCT - IMO, its gotta be Milledge

Darn it, I can't believe I didn't play Doumit today, thats one reason I'm in 15th place in the Asylum league

Any one know if there is also a chat going on right now on this site, this is awful

pirateradio wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:48 PM

Wow, I'm in after an hour of trying!

Sorry to see Lefty McThump go in a bittersweet-kinda way, after everything that we anticipated (.290/30-35 HR/year). And, he seems like a good guy.

Diaz is apparently a fielding wiz already and Strickland has some potential. I guess we'll see how this trade looks in a few years, assuming this is the complete trade.

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:50 PM

Interesting, Cave found Diaz as the 17th, i saw him as 21. I guess 2 different sites' opinions, but either way, i still think this trade was made w/ neal thinking he would be the SS of the future.

boruboru27 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:50 PM

i have nothing against adam, but i'm glad to see he is gone.  i think we have more room to grow without him.  ESPNnews is reporting it is Diaz and a player to be named.  I hope it is Hunter Strickland because he appears to have some upside.

I'll be glad if we get anything decent.  Won't know for years, but I''m okay with that.

http://www.soxprospects.com has good info on both players.  the player to be named could be someone else though.  Diaz appears to be alot like Jack Wilson with great glove, not too special bat.

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:52 PM

Biz,

I was thinking it would be him, but I never know, maybe they want to give Pearce another chance-which i think hes had too many already-but i really am hoping it is milledge.

Getwonkafied wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:53 PM

DaveKerwin,

I watched Harrisburg play Portland earlier this year, and Diaz absolutely cannot hit. He looked good defensively, but looked to do nothing more than slap the ball for singles on occasion.

In spite of what you may or may not know about how the Red Sox viewed him as a player, we as fans shouldn't expect him to be a serviceable replacement for Wilson anytime soon, as he's not even half the hitter Brian Bixler is at this point.

Not to say that I don't approve of this trade, because I do, I'm just not about to run through the streets celebrating Diaz's acquisition.

pdxpirate wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:53 PM

Hurray!

No longer must I watch Adam's insanely long swing miss pitches!  Are the prospects bring bats too?

pdxpirate wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:53 PM

Hurray!

No longer must I watch Adam's insanely long swing miss pitches!  Are the prospects bringing bats too?

jefft wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:56 PM

Well, DK, the asylum has, once again, broken the servers. I'm sure there would probably be about 300 comments on this link by now if we didn't. :)

Should we complain to Mr Gigler the next time there's a chat?

gerardsmith wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:57 PM

Let's see.  We've got Diaz and Strickland for Mike Gonzo and our top 2B prospect (now with the White Sox, I believe).  Sounds like a fair exchange to me.  

mattygabe wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 1:59 PM

As a baseball move, I love this.  This is really a lot like the Eric Hinske trade in that we're practically getting something for nothing.  In terms of a decent player, it's debateable what we would have received if we would have kept Adam (and what Boston will receive now), but really where this Pirates team is now it's much better to get two future players for a "rental" player.  How could you not like that?  They may be B-level prospects, but it's B-level for practically nothing. Love the move.

Baywatch wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:01 PM

Strickland looks like the kind of pitcher we want ... In 83 innings this year, only 13 walks ... and he's from Georgia :-)

pattonbb wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:02 PM

I think this is about as much of a return for Adam as we could have hoped for. That's assuming Boston pays him. I can't think of another recent Pirate who frustrated me more. I wanted to pull for him so badly. I can remember how happy I was when the deal with Atl was made. But those half season long slumps were just maddening. I hope DK can get a few words in with him. I'd like to hear what he has to say about going to Boston. If his bat gets hot, they're going to love him up there.

too bad he never lived up to OUR expectations.

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:02 PM

C'mon Paul, we need you to get out of this one.

And really what is wrong with these servers. its been a nightmare today

Scorus wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:05 PM

This is a great example of waiting even just a little too long to trade a guy. With his history of second-half heroics and his June .344/.423/.559, LaRoche's value was at its height on July 1. But can you imagine the uproar if we had dealt him when he finally looked like he had turned the corner?

All of three weeks later, a .138/.167/.241 stretch kills any chances of getting a return worth celebrating. I can't recall a case of a guy's trade value falling quite this fast, without the involvement of an injury or indictment.

epmornsesh wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:06 PM

Thank goodness Huntington was able to get anything at alll for Laroche. Even if these two are mid-level prospects, it's better than nothing. I guess we'll have to wait and see how much, if any, of Laroche's contract the Bucs will have to pay for the remainder of the year. Hard to believe the Red Sox would take him on when he's in such a slump, and agree to pay the rest of his salary.

Bizrow wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:06 PM

Sorry I double posted, that doesn't help things

Still 5-2?

darylethepiratefan wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:06 PM

I cant stand MAHOLM, DAMMMMM

Baywatch wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:06 PM

Maholm ... I hope the baseball gods are looking favorably on us now ... he loads 'em up for Braun.

jefft wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:07 PM

umm...not that anyone's paying attention to the game, but it's now 5-5, Maholm's thrown 80+ pitches in 4.1 innings.

Think it's time for another "magic Karstens ride?"

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:07 PM

Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Why, Paul just gave up a bases clearing double to Cryin Ryan and now its tied at 5.

crap

boruboru27 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:08 PM

Maholm? wtf?  how could you walk two straight guys?  i'd almost rather give up back to back homers than walk two guys like that.

it seems like everytime we walk guys, we pay for it big time.

pattonbb wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:09 PM

@mattygabe: "practically nothing"? I think it's easy to forget how good his glove is when all we do is complain about his bat. Don't get me wrong, I like the deal a lot. But when (or if) Adam's bat wakes up, he's going to be pretty popular around Harvard Square.

gerardsmith wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:10 PM

Diaz better be another (what's that ex-Cardinal that did backflips between innings?) with the glove.  At 155 lbs, he ain't scaring too many ML pitchers.  

gerardsmith wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:10 PM

Diaz better be another (what's that ex-Cardinal that did backflips between innings?) with the glove.  At 155 lbs, he ain't scaring too many ML pitchers.  

gerardsmith wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:10 PM

Diaz better be another (what's that ex-Cardinal that did backflips between innings?) with the glove.  At 155 lbs, he ain't scaring too many ML pitchers.  

boruboru27 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:10 PM

why is it when our pitchers pitch well, we can't hit?  and then when we do hit, our pitching sucks?

i would love to be able to drink my blues away, but i have to go back to work soon.

leadoff wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:11 PM

As I said earlier Maholm is cannon fodder for the Brewers,they know if they don't hit anyone else they are going to clobber him, JR is going to make a move, after giving up 7 runs. Way to go.

Getwonkafied wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:11 PM

According to Keith Law Diaz is a plus defensive shortstop who can't hit, doesn't walk, and has no power, but in spite of that could still be a serviceable MLB backup based on his defense.

Once again, anyone hoping that he is the answer to our shortstop problem is wrong,

Bizrow wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:12 PM

The thing I like about the trade is it opens up playing time for others

I'll bet these kids don't pan out, but its something, any idea if we kicked cash in?

Baywatch wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:12 PM

SO fed up ...

boruboru27 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:13 PM

BOOO!!!!

if we are losing in the top of the 9th by two or more, we better put a ball in someone's earhole.

i'm so sick of the Brewers.  where is Max Talbot when you need him?

gerardsmith wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:14 PM

Oh, it was Ozzie something.  Newsome?  Naw.....and Harriet?  Naw.  

Getwonkafied wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:14 PM

Bizrow,

yes, we kicked cash in.

gerardsmith wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:16 PM

Oh, great.  Another "nibbler".

gerardsmith wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:17 PM

Oh, great.  Another "nibbler".

Thundercrack wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:21 PM

I was really excited when we got Adam.  I'm bummed that things didn't work out for him here.  But I am tired of seeing him not come up big in almost every single clutch situation.

Great glove. Too many homers when it didn't seem to matter.

I did appreciate that he always faced the music with the media --good times or bad.  

STLRFANRC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:22 PM

nice at-bat by DY..sucks they lost the lead, but only 2 runs down..

anyways, this is the best news ive heard all day....nice to add depth to the SS position..

Moneyball wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:23 PM

Wishful thinking time:  once the Pirates sign Sano next week, this Diaz kid becomes irrelevant right?  

Bucco Fan For Life wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:23 PM

Not disappointed at all in this trade.  I am thrilled we got a SS that can play defense although I am a litte concerned about the hitting aspect.  Strickland doesn't look like a #1 starter but it seems like he has potential and he throws a slurve!

STLRFANRC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:24 PM

Thunder- As Meatloaf said, "you took the words right outta my mouth"

STLRFANRC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:25 PM

DK- i know you're kinda busy with the game and all, but any word on the money??

ToddSm66 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:26 PM

Addition by subtraction.  Hello, Milledge.

leadoff wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:26 PM

Now you know why we have lost to the Brewers and Cubs as much as we have. Our hope is that the new pitchers we have can pitch to them.

Look at it this way, Vasquez pitched a great game against the Brewers, he is regarded as our 5th starter, too me he is more like our 4th starter, Maholm is the 5th starter to me.

Maholm can't pitch against them, he was our best pitcher until we started making trades, like Morton, Olendorf, Karstens.

If you want to beat these teams we are going to have to trade for more pitching, we need to trade Maholm.

If you can't beat your main competition, then make trades for pitchers that will beat them.

marty34156 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:27 PM

Is Milledge going to get the call up now? I sure hope so. And man oh man what the heck happened to Paul today!?!? Hopefully we can get the lead back!

gerardsmith wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:28 PM

Hey, DK.  Any chance of exchanging Maholm for Gonzo?  Ok, how about Snell?  Lincoln?  Jefferson?  Washington?  Allright, then, send Strickland ASAP.  Especially if he's George's son.  

jefft wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:28 PM

Hooray...Vasquez double, and the game is tied again!

darylethepiratefan wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:29 PM

Fellas, I know I am in my own world here but we just TIED THE DAMM GAME, we are only 8.5 gb, stl looses which is a great possibility we can be 7.5, 4 with ARIZONA ,

All I am saying is WE NEED THIS ONE, I AM SO TIRED OF GIVIGN LEADS BACK, ESPECIALLY WITH WALKS, MAKE THEM EARN IT , O Y EAH , PAUL IS NO ACE,

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:30 PM

This may be Opie's best deal yet.  He got something for nothing

Diaz has improved as a hitter over the past few years and is only 22.  He has Gold Glove potential.  

I would say this is better than an eventual comp pick in the 2010 draft.

Bring up Pearce and put put him at first for the rest of the year and let this be the test.

I say give the younger guy the the chance at first before you cast him loose.  

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:31 PM

Yay we tied it.

@Moneyball

I thought all scouting reports said Sano would probably be moved to a corner outfield spot. but if he doesnt i think that would be true.

@getwonkafied

I realize he hasnt shown much of anything w/ the bat, but i mean hes still 22. Still plenty of time for him to develop something. And yes i think i'm dreaming.

@gerardsmith

Answer to your question about cards ss, ozzie smith i believe is who it was.

Reading wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:32 PM

I realize that the pitchers do not get a whole lot of practice pitching while actually having the  lead, but this pathetic performance today is all too familiar.  The Pirates have to lead MLB in taking the lead and then immediately giving up the lead a half inning later.  Twice in this game.  Giving up the lead while allowing Eva Braun to be a big hero again also shows a lack of mental toughness on the part of our pitchers.  

ej wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:33 PM

Langosch is reporting that Pearce was pinch-hit for in today's game, so there's a good chance he will be called up.

STLRFANRC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:33 PM

milledge has to be the one to come up.....i would think anyhow

AlexandreGiesbrecht wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:33 PM

In a list of shortstop prospects, would Díaz be ahead of Chase D'Arnaud in terms of potential?

pattonbb wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:36 PM

@Alex:

From what I've read, no. But I'm no expert. Just basing that opinion on what I've read.

marty34156 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:36 PM

moneyball

Hopefully after the Pirates sign Sano. :)

MrB wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:37 PM

Wow, the things that happen when one takes a morning nap and oversleeps...

Why isn't the FoxSportsNet corporation broadcasting this game? They always seem to blow off noon starts.

Good luck Adam, you were a good guy, but too maddeningly inconsistent. I never thought you had the right stuff to be the key guy under pressure. On a talent loaded team like Boston, you'll probably relax and subsequently perform.

The announcer for the Orioles network (also does a lot of ESPN games, name escapes me) has just called the PBC the farm team for all of MLB.

Prediction: The Pirates will sign Wilson and Sanchez.

Eight was Great! wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:37 PM

This trade makes sense: I like Adam as a person and leader and I really hope he finds himself in Boston. Adam showed COMPLETE CLASS today by staying in the dugout with his (ex)teammates while awaiting word.

This is like the McClouth trade--making room for up and coming players. Jones is a first basemen and will take that spot. i see MILLEDGE IS NOT IN INDYS lineup as they are playing right now--looks like he will be with us tomorrow. So we go with Milledge in left and DY and Moss switching off in right. Might see PEARCE too as he is not in the line up (we need a back up 1B now) and Salazar returning.

Dan1283 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:37 PM

Congratulations to the Red Sox for getting an overpaid, underproducing first baseman with the laziest swing in baseball and only 12 home runs through 4 months.

They're linking stats for him on some of their message boards, what they don't realize is that LaRoche is entirely more frustrating than any numbers he puts up, and you can't even trust his numbers because of how streaky he is.

mattygabe wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:40 PM

@pattonbb:

No, I know for sure that LaRoche wasn't worth just a bag of baseballs here, and more than just his streaky bat were issues.  The bigger issue was that we have players who are ready to contribute to the bigs, who were certainly get paid much less, and LaRoche was due-up next year to either extend at similar or higher prices, or simply go elsewhere.  My "for nothing" comment was just making the assumption that had we not moved him now, he would have left for nothing later.

Another assumption being made there is that the Pirates had no intention to re-sign him after this year.

pghboyinca wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:42 PM

 Great day for Pirate fans. Looks like we got rid of some dead weight, saved salary, and actually got a couple of kids. Most importantly now we can get some of the youngsters who might actually help us achieve being competitive some playing time. GREAT JOB Neal!!!!

boruboru27 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:42 PM

i think the pirates value defense first at SS, so Diaz would be first.  if bixler could keep his head while in pittsburg, he has the ability.

@darylethepiratefan...  i'm with you.  for all my venting, i dont give up on the season until it is mathematically impossible.

my fiance has gotten used to my mood swings moment by moment.  all sports related of course.

pirateradio wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:42 PM

At this point, I guess AdLa would be eligible to pinch hit in this game for the Bucs?

marty34156 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:43 PM

Boy I sure do hope like heck they don't call up Pearce and have him play first rest of the year. Play Jones there and let Young and Moss battle it out for RF rest of the season. Pearce is an AAAA player.

Yotum wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:43 PM

Alexandre--

I don't know (since I'm not a scout and I've never seen Diaz), but from the reports, I'd say Diaz has the edge with the glove, while Chase is the better hitter. Again, could be wrong. Diaz could signal Jack being moved, while he hols a place.

Re: the trade in general--

Well, we got something for the slumping LaRoche. I'll miss him. Adam, you were maddeningly inconsistent, and if we had some suuport arouund you, who knows. Have fun batting 6th or 7th for the Red Sox, watching your production soar as youu can finally hit where you belong. Also, have fun sniffing the playoffs. You were classy and I will miss you, despite struggling to watch some of your AB's.

TJK33 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:44 PM

If we didn't give up any cash in this deal I'm liking it.  We actually got something which is more than I can say for what we gave up.  

pattonbb wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:45 PM

Atta Boy Jonesy !!!!

Doc wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:45 PM

Alexandre,

Diaz would be behind everyone but Gift Ngoepe, and I trhink he would surpass him soon. We traded our starting 1st baseman for the Sox's 28th and 39th best prospects. The same week that our GM complained about our SS being a below average hitter, we trade for one who will make Jack Wilson look like Honus Wagner. This is a salary dump for minor league fodder, plain and simple.  This was NOT trading high, but was rather trading low.

I will be happy to see Miledge come up, and suspect Salazar will go down and Pearce will come up. He was never our Lefty McThump but Adam was a class guy, and I am happy he will be joing a good team.

Bucco fan in NC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:47 PM

Great trade!

We get more pitching possibilities, and possibility of Gold Glove caliber SS for a guy we were going to lose in 3 months.  In addition, we get to call up Milledge (possibly the highest upside guy in the minors not named after a candidate in "Napolean Dynomite") and our future PH/DH/ 5th OF in Pearce.

We kept on hearing there wasn't much of a market for "The Roach" but we got two mid-level prospects.  WAY TO GO NH!!

STLRFANRC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:47 PM

im ok with pearce coming up and playing 1B, thats cool...

ok, Garrett Jones is just sick...

rememember bucco fans, a couple years ago, chris shelton? i believe was his name, for the tigers did the same thing in the beginning of the year then fizzled out completely, so much so that i think he's out of the game....lets not get to pumped up, but definetly enjoy it!

pattonbb wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:48 PM

@Matty: I agree. At this point it's time to make some room in this lineup. Again, I like the deal too.

pattonbb wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:49 PM

sorry about the duplicate posts......... sticky fingers.........

piratefan2003 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:50 PM

I agree with you TJK it definitely is a good trade if no cash was given up

STLRFANRC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:50 PM

i like DK's report even better...bring them both up...

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:52 PM

Doc

Baseball America has Diaz rated as the Sox 17th best prospect.  

pattonbb wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:52 PM

So now we're giving Diaz a gold glove?? Seriously???

socaldonn wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:53 PM

@MrB,

Funny comment coming from the O's since they've fared so well over the last decade.

Wisereader wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:55 PM

Joel Hanrahan has done a ver ynice job.  Good to see.

Doc wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:55 PM

This trade is NOTHING like the McLouth trade. In thatn we got a legitimate  prospect in Hernandez, and a MLB ready pitcher in Morton. In the Morgan trade we got a legitimate prospect with 5 tool talent in Milledge. . In this... zip. Please, check out Baseball Prospectusm on this guy.I appreciate the value of a good fielding shortstop, but this is a guy who has mental lapses, can't hit, can't walk, can't hit for power. Yikes

Now Adam Laroche wasn't worth much, but this is NOT the equivalent of the McLouth trade, nor the Morgan one.

Doc wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:58 PM

I was reading a page called Sox prospects. But regardless, he is likely only their third best ss prospect

jefft wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:58 PM

For those who've asked...a couple of places are reporting that Bucs are sending cash along with Adam--not saying how much, though.

Thundercrack wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:58 PM

I want to wait a little before I make this new shortstop the starter, drive him to accept his gold glove, and help him with his hall-of-fame speech.

The Red Sox know all about Adam La, his value, and his contract.  they didn't give us Clay Buckholtz.

daquido_bazzini wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:00 PM

I don't have a problem with LaRoche being dealt, but he should have been traded during the '08 trading deadline....or last off-season.

That is when his value was at least "decent."

Personally....I would've traded him, and kept Bay till now (if an extension wasn't possible....and of course it probably was not with Nutting at the helm).

It was clear that LaRoche was not  going to stay, and never really fit in with the Pirates.

Now...Of course, you get liverwurst for him.

MrB wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:00 PM

The only thing we might miss in this trade is excellent defense at 1B,

LaRoche had it...Pearce definitely does not...and I haven't seen Jones play the position. Hope his experience there is positive.

Young is 3-3,,,has he introduced himself to Prince Fielder yet? "Hi Prince, this is who the 'F' I am!"

pghboyinca wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:01 PM

Doc,

  Your last name has to be LaRoche, are you Andy and Adam's father? Saying this was a salary dump is delusional, the guy was  a boat anchor pure and simple and speculation was we had to pay some of his salary just to get someone tot take him. It was a GREAT deal in every respect for the Bucs.  

  We need someone in the organization to work with DY full time to improve his defense. The guy can flat out rake and with any improvement in his glove can be a consistent major leaguer.

JAL wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:01 PM

Back at the game,  this is the second time in recent starts that they have given Maholm a lead the other starters would kill for and he couldn't hold it.  Something wrong with him, just don't know what.

pattonbb wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:02 PM

Here comes the big inning !!!!

pattonbb wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:03 PM

JR better raise hell

Bucco fan in NC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:03 PM

Agreed Wisereader

Heck of a game for Hanrahan.  Stopped the bleeding.

Also, Laroche seemd to hit better the last couple days.  I have a feelnig the Red Sox waited until this cold streak appeared to be over.

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:03 PM

Wow, i gotta say, if DY can continue to improve his fielding, he could be a great bench guy for a while. He really is doing well today and seems to always take advantage of his opportunities at the plate.

ok maybe im giving him too much credit, but right now i see him as a bigger piece than moss. but hopefully moss starts getting some more chances b/c i still don't want to give up on him.

darylethepiratefan wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:04 PM

@ DOC

I am so tired of ADAM'S slow bat, I am excited at what it does for the others and our lineup, Milledge comes up and we dont have to watch his slow bat....

pattonbb wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:04 PM

Diaz is going to AAA

Bucco fan in NC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:05 PM

Not sure how I like Andy sacrificing with Vazquez coming up and our bench majorly depleted.

Give us a sac fly Ramon!

Getwonkafied wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:06 PM

Doc,

You're right, it's not equivalent value, but LaRoche isn't equivalent to McLouth or Morgan either. The Red Sox gave up prospects for two months of an overpaid and slumping first baseman.

Bucco fan in NC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:06 PM

Make that Salazar - Ramon was walked.

STLRFANRC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:06 PM

salazar pinch hitting....oh boy...OK kid look for something up to drive!!!

pattonbb wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:06 PM

Crap. No Milledge yet..... Sounds like only Pearce is coming.

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:07 PM

why would we ever PH Salazar, i mean is it just me or wouldn't JHammer be a more logical option since we know he can hit. Whereas i dont think salazar has even gotten an ab w/ us this year.

JAL wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:07 PM

Two scoreless innings from Hanrahan

Bases loaded, 1 out, DP--terrible.

STLRFANRC wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:08 PM

oh you've gotta be kidding me...the damn thing you dont want to do....wanna bet the brewers score in this next half inning/?

Thundercrack wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:08 PM

DK

I don't understand the Jeff Salazar scenario today.  Why not let him pinch hit. He could get hurt here or in AAA.  If he gets hurt and lands on the DL he doesn't take up a roster spot.  

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.

TheBarskEffect wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:08 PM

most likely it is Pearce..   i am listening to the game on the radio.. and NH just said that is probably pearce

boruboru27 wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:09 PM

i cant believe the ump blew that call.  that was too easy of a call.  and of course, we hit into the inning ending double play.

i guess i should just be happy salazar wasnt hurt on the play.

Baywatch wrote re: Adam LaRoche traded to Red Sox; Pearce and Milledge coming?
on Wed, Jul 22 2009 3:10 PM

GOODbye, Salazar!