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Morning links: What makes Duke good

By Dejan Kovacevic | 12:40 a.m. Saturday

PHILADELPHIA -- Best way to understand Zach Duke's pitching in general is to ask him about it specifically.

So, rather than ask general questions about his stuff and confidence and all that, I asked how he struck out Ryan Howard with a fastball for his final pitch of the evening.

This was his response: "If you look at it, it was a 2-2 count, and he had taken two breaking balls in a way that you could tell he was tracking them really well. If he was going to do that and I came in hard and tight, he wasn't going to be able to adjust."

Howard did not. He got 90 mph, precisely located, and swung through it.

A little extra on that pitch?

"Nope," Duke replied. "I didn't have anything extra left at that point."

It was his 115th pitch.

Linkage to the general coverage ...

> Game story: Phillies 3, Pirates 2: Ryan Doumit and Freddy Sanchez return, but the offense does not. Box score

> Audio: Duke, on being good.

> Notebook: The latest on Sanchez/trades, plus the international signings and Frank Coonelly's rejection of an ESPN report about the fourth-round draft pick.

> Audio: Doumit, on his health.

> Poll result: The Sanchez final straw question from yesterday.

> Letters to the editor: Two readers express disgust with the Pirates' trades, on our Editorial page.

And from other realms ...

> The opponent: The Phillies, as covered by the Philadelphia Inquirer.

> The Seattle Times covers the Yuniesky Betancourt trade, as well as its implications -- if any -- on the Pirates.

> Jonathan Sanchez, the San Francisco pitcher floated in all the Freddy Sanchez stuff, pitched a no-hitter early this morning.

> This is the ESPN report that Coonelly rejects, as it relates to the fourth-rounder. Peter Gammons has a lot of highly useful information in there, but I might offer my own correction, as well: Gammons writes that "the Pirates kept the media advised of their bidding on shortstop Miguel Sano." The exact opposite is the case. The Pirates have been obsessively -- bordering on militarily -- secretive about Sano. In my writings about Sano, the overwhelming majority of information has come from outside the organization.

> Murray Chass, on the Pirates: "They are one of the most confounding teams in the majors. They trade players before they have to sign them to expensive contracts, they trade players after they sign them to mildly expensive contracts, and they trade players whose contracts are still under their control."

> Tim Wakefield, overdue All-Star.

PHOTO of Duke last night: Tom Mihalek/Associated Press


Posted Jul 11 2009, 12:40 AM by Dejan Kovacevic

Comments

Cajun Thunder wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:43 AM

From other thread...no way the Pirates will be able to get Sanchez from the Giants in a trade now. No hitter tonight...only one runner...a clear error by the 3B Uribe. 11 strikeouts and 110 pitches. Not even the Giants would throw away the PR by trading him in the next 3 weeks.

PIG LEGS ROBINSON wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:45 AM

No hitter for Jonathan Sanchez.

I wonder if they will still trade him to us for Freddy?

LLOYD Be Free wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:45 AM

Are you kidding me?

A no-no from that dude?

So much for huntington buying low there!!

LLOYD Be Free wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:50 AM

My sister who lives in Pittsburgh was at that game.  In SF on business.  I told her before the game to keep an eye on him because of the Freddy rumors.  Can't get ahold of her to see if she stayed for the whole game.

Cajun Thunder wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:51 AM

Boy...Dejan...you were quick to get the news on the Sanchez no hitter in the links...not even 10 minutes after the end of the game. :)

LLOYD Be Free wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:52 AM

She stayed for the whole game.  Said it was the best baseball game she ever watched.  I've been to hundreds more than her and never come close to seeing a no-no.  Imagine that!!

PIG LEGS ROBINSON wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:55 AM

The worst part is that MLBTraderumors.com was reporting that "they will include Jonathan but that it won't be enough".

You know that isnt the case anymore.

You can't blame Neil for not pulling the trigger though, with Freddy being the only Pirates rep in an allstar game that hasnt even been played yet. I said all along that it should have been Zach Duke. If they had taken Duke, we'd have Jonathan right now. (and he wouldn't have pitched a no-hitter).

The real surprise is that nobody else has no-hit the weak hitting Padres this year already.

PIG LEGS ROBINSON wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:58 AM

My first game I ever attended was John Candelaria's no hitter in 1976.

Yotum wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:11 AM

While I agree the Giants likely wouldn't want to deal with the PR after trading him--his value now could net Sanchez for a lot less, perhaps. Who knows.

Dejan Kovacevic wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:11 AM

@Piglegs: I love the MLB Trade Rumors site and the work Tim Dierkes does there, but I think they make it pretty clear that, except in rare occasions, they do not do their own "reporting." They are linking to reporting done by others.

pghboyinca wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:19 AM

 Saw some of Sanchez's game and he looked good, wonder how he fell out of favor there. He was only inserted back into the starting rotation because of Randy Johnson's injury. With Seattle now needing a 2nd baseman and SS how about a package of Freddy and Jack for them? I think their minor league system was already solid and they just got two more solid prospects from K.C.  I think we should deal exclusively with The Nats, K.C., and other organizations that are less successful. The Yankees, Red Sox, and Braves all seem to know a lot about evaluating talent.      

PIG LEGS ROBINSON wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:23 AM

Right on DK - I should have said they "Conveyed" it. (Not "reported").

coreybower wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:25 AM

So now the Mariners have needs at both SS and 2B . . . anybody else smell Wilson/Sanchez package deal?

It's summer, so I didn't want soup anyway.

Bizrow wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:36 AM

Its the same problem though packaging our middle infielders, who replaces them?

I was talking to my brother-in-law at the amusement park, he is a dyed in the wool Bucco fan, he's fed up and went on a good rant for the whole time we spent in line at the Racer

Oh, oh, I irresponsibly got in the no soup line....

Gammons is no slouch, IMO, so somebody heard/said something...

pghboyinca wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:46 AM

 It doesn't matter who replaces them in that particular deal if the return is really solid. Maybe Capps can be the centerpiece of acquiring Briegnac from Tampa and Grabow along with someone else can get a second base prospect. Or maybe Seattle has someone a year away at 2nd. Right now we need as many quality youngsters as possible. (except outfielders or catchers)

LLOYD Be Free wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 2:41 AM

I agree with that last philosophy.....can Capps or Grabow get Brignac from TB or Young Jr. from Colorado?  If so, Freddy on the go can be possible keeping the integrity of an MLB team.  

But Jack and Freddy won't both go in the same deal.  As a matter of fact, I'll be surprised if Jack goes at all.  

PI Stingray wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 3:16 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing the Bucs trade Freddy, if we could get Seattle's current 2B Jose Lopez, RH Reliever Sean White and 1B prospect Joe Dunigan. Lopez isn't as steady defensively nor does he have near as good an average as Sanchez, but has better power (10 HRs) and is 26 years old. White is a former Pirates farm hand that is 2-1, 2.70 ERA. Dunigan is at High A High Dessert where he's at .301, 18 HRs, 64 RBI. For all of that though, the Bucs might have to throw in someone else. If you're gonna dream.....dream big!

MarkInDallas wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 3:28 AM

Wow, as for the Sanchez no hitter...the Bucs just can't catch a break!

ptbyrne wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 3:40 AM

Hmmm, with the way Ian Snell is pitching in AAA I wonder if a Sanchez/Snell deal can net us Eric Young Jr?? According to everything read here the Rockies wanted him as a reliever. Clint Barmes isn't exactly a model of consistency and I believe they weren't happy at all with him early in the year. I wonder if all those double Freddy hits will translate into a few HR, especially if he hits a few like he did tonight off the wall! I'm not expecting it to happen, but I wonder if Snell's stock is rising with his solid AAA performance. I hear the air up in the Rockies is positively charged...

roxtar wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 6:37 AM

ptbyrne:

I'm surprised we haven't heard Snell's name mentioned in trade rumors.  I'd sent Sanchez and Snell to the Rockies for Young, Jr. and Matthew Reynolds (24 yoa  LH reliever, 6'5", 240,  just up to AA Tulsa from Modesto, where he was 5-3 1.29 ERA, 58/8 K/BB ratio, opponents BA .190)  I might even pick up a chunk of Freddy's salary for that deal.

JAL wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 6:38 AM

Morning Links Part 2

Play By Play of Last Night's Game in which te Pirates hit 2 home runs, Dukes sets down 13 in row and 15 of the last 16, and the Pirates still lose

scores.espn.go.com/.../playbyplay

Sanchez ignites Power fireworks

wvgazette.com/.../200907110008

Is this what a bad team looks like?

ktar.com

Lincoln named to Futures All-Star Team

thefacts.com/story.lasso

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 6:45 AM

My favorite poem of all time is

Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening

By Robert Frost

Whose woods these are I think I know.

His house is in the village though;

He will not see me stopping here

To watch his woods fill up with snow.

My little horse must think it queer

To stop without a farmhouse near

Between the woods and frozen lake

The darkest evening of the year.

He gives his harness bells a shake

To ask if there is some mistake.

The only other sound’s the sweep

Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.

But I have promises to keep,

And miles to go before I sleep,

And miles to go before I sleep.

JAL wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 7:03 AM

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Joggin George wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 7:09 AM

Colin Dunlap, the writer from the Houston series, has an item in the Saturday Diary section of the paper today on his memories of Ed Thomas, the Iowa football coach murdered last month.

www.post-gazette.com/.../983097-109.stm

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 7:13 AM

JAL, you wrapped that up so quickly there is no need because there were no other plays.

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 7:15 AM

Here is one for the geeksters, what is our record with the Clutch geting on base at least twice a game verses not.

Joey Bats wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 7:17 AM

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  PROSPECT WATCH  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Today’s Topic: CATCHER (stats thru 7/10/09)

WHO's HOT: #1 PICK Mr. Sanchez ...hit his first HR last night...and is hitting .433 in his first eight games since moving to West Virginia.

Steve Lerud – Bats L – Altoona (3rd  Round, 2003 Draft)

2 HR 14 RBI  .224  ** 62 Games 196 ABs, 19 R, 44 H, 37K, 24 BB, 1SB

Kris Watts – Bats L – Lynchburg (16th  Round, 2006 Draft)

4 HR 31 RBI  .312  ** 65 G, 202 ABs,  40 R, 63 H, 26K, 41BB, 2 SB

Eric Fryer – Bats R - Lynchburg (obtained in E. Hinske trade)

Tony Sanchez – Bats R – S.Col. & West Va. (1st Round, 2009 Draft)

1 HR 13 RBI  .395  **  12 G, 43 ABs, 8 R, 17 H,  5K, 5 BB, 0 SB

Andrew Walker – Bats R – West Virginia (5th  Round, 2007 Draft)

1 HR  13 RBI  .211  ** 35 G, 114 ABs,  14 R, 24 H, 28K, 20 BB, 0 SB

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 7:19 AM

Giving away any of our starters at this point i think to be premature.

like it has been said pitching is tough to get.  We have a group of still fairly young pitchers who could be good for ten years.

We really do not know what we have with our group and ones on the way.  This is tippy toe area.

Wagnalls wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 7:23 AM

Who is Murray Chass?

JAL wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 7:33 AM

Wahnall

Chass covered baseball for the NY Times for many years, is a grad of Pitt, won awards for his reporting, and has a bog covering baseball

http://www.murraychass.com/

JAL wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 8:18 AM

My typing is awful this morning--maybe I should try to wake up again

Out for the day--everyone have a good one

Catch up tonight

JoeBucco wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 8:29 AM

@JAL    -   Sorry about the link.   My web host decided to upgrade last night.  Should be good to go now.  

joerozsa.com/.../pirates-fans-relax-these-trades-might-just-work

Doc wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 8:30 AM

Looking at the Mariners, it seems they do not have the talent to get both Freddy and Jack. In fact, the only area of strength the Pirates have is OF, which is precisely where the best Mariners prospect( Halman)t is. And even he seems to come with flaws. He would , however, add to Dejan's "we are the World" article, having been born in the Netherlands,

Also, the Murray Chase article, while prickly to Pirate fans, does show how we are viewed to completely rational people outside our world.

Finally, I read the Gammons piece in its entirety. Putting in a cap on combined Domestic draft  and International signings makes too much sense for MLB.

Doc wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 8:45 AM

The Rangers on the other hand, with Smoak coming up soon may want to trade Chris Davis, and I would love to take Elvis Andruss off their hands.  They have a ton of minor league talent

Baywatch wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 9:21 AM

Good Morning, Roxtar, JAL, JJ, JoeBucco, Wagnalls, Joey Bats, Joggin George and ...

Doc - Chris Davis is a homegrown Rangers guy ... from Longview, about an hours drive from me over here in East Texas ... it's business, though. Atlanta just shipped Francoeur out to the Mets, born and raised right there in Atlanta, drafted by them.

Davis has great power, started for them until a few weeks ago but his average got way low, from what I understand. ... and you're right, that Andrus is a machine at short, a different breed.

With the push the Rangers are making this year, I'd think they'd be willing to part with some of that minor league talent ... rated the best in the majors.

gerardsmith wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 10:00 AM

Look for Moss to sit today after that power display in the 9th last nite.  Don't want THAT to happen two consecutive days.  

Baywatch wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 10:12 AM

Gerardsmith - I hear you, and I know the issues with Moss are manifold with all his slumps, etc., combined with the fact that he's a young talent we need to get untracked ...

That being said, there seems to be a pretty good track record of lefties EATING HIM UP a lot of times ... so I can see why JR might sit him ... but Hamels has kind of a high ERA right now ...

But you never know, maybe JR will break out of his matchups mode, thinking the time has come - what with us tanking - just to put Moss out there, regardless of him hitting a home run the night before :-)

pghboyinca wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 10:18 AM

It is ironic that the buzz has totally changed from how the team has or will perform to who is leaving and whop might be possibly replacing them. To my fellow Bucco fans, here's to hoping that within the next 3 years we will be focused on winning a division title in July August and September.    

Thundercrack wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 10:34 AM

Murray Chass is an old-time baseball writer from New York.  He wrote for the NY Times.  About a year or so ago he 'retired' or took a buyout.  He now writes on his web site.  I like his stuff.

From reading his articles it would seem that he and Coonelly know each other and are on friendly terms.    Chass is the opposite of Bill Madden.

PiratesFanSince1960 wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 10:47 AM

I WAS THERE FOLKS!!!!! SF GIANTS NO NO...

Was in a *** mood, sucking back my 3rd beer when some 3yr old kid mentions in the 5th the giants have a no hitter (actually perfect game! so he was kinda wrong!! :------)  We tried not to talk about it and god as my witness, sort of mentioned it JUST BEFORE THE ERROR, which was a very tough play... One error and its PERFECT GAME!!

By the way, Giants were kicking butt with Bonds, then 3 yrs of disaster, made quality transactions this summer which I screamed about our lack of. Giants are in the HUNT for a playoff spot in 3 seasons. My beloved pirates are embarking on a major league sports record. Sanchez is headed to SF? Not sure happy or sad about that!!

3-2, Guess you all saw a pretty good baseball game cept as usual the usual. Go City of Champions and my beloved Pirates...

David

PiratesFanSince1960 wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 10:48 AM

OH  MOOD cause the Pirates had ALREADY LOST!! Major point to understand  :------)  :------)

Go Pirates

smoky burgess wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 10:54 AM

Baywatch

who is that on your new avatar?

leadoff wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 11:09 AM

Bay

That being said, there seems to be a pretty good track record of lefties EATING HIM UP a lot of times ... so I can see why JR might sit him ... but Hamels has kind of a high ERA right now ...

_________________________

Moss is hitting 255 against right hand pitching and 250 against left hand pitching, not enough difference IMO to sit him.

leadoff wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 11:16 AM

Bay

But you never know, maybe JR will break out of his matchups mode, thinking the time has come - what with us tanking - just to put Moss out there, regardless of him hitting a home run the night before :-)

_________________________________

JR won't put Moss out there on a regular basis no matter what he does because Moss is #3 in the right field sweepstakes mix and match competition behind Young, and Jones. Milledge will be the left fielder, Cutch in center and then comes the right field mix and match sweepstakes.

JR likes Young to a point of not recognizing his weaknesses, he likes Jones now, but I don't know at this point that he likes him better than Young, by the way he is playing Jones, I have to believe he will be the regular right fielder after the All-Star break when Milledge comes up, until Adam LaRoach is moved, then Jones goes to 1st and Young and Moss in that order stay in the mix and match position.

That is the way I see it.

Baywatch wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 11:34 AM

Good Morning, Smoky! My avatar is Lastings Milledge being held back by Ricky Henderson, when Milledge was with the Mets.

The occasion: Milledge had just flied out, but started yelling at the umpire over what he perceived to be a bad strike call he'd made during his at bat. To me, thinking about him coming up to the Pirates, I kind of liked the thought of him displaying some fire while he's here!

I figured we could use just about any kind of fire we could get right now! Pops will be back later.

smoky burgess wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 11:43 AM

thanks Bay. After DK's story on Milledge the other day I commented that Milledge reminded me of some of the characters in the clubhouse the Pirates used to have like Parker and Doc Ellis. Hopefully the talent on the field will be that good too.

phillyjake wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 11:52 AM

Going to the game tonight again.

Wish I had a Gift Ngoepe Pirates jersey to wear.

Baywatch wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:29 PM

Phillyjake, do those Philly fans treat you alright over there, at the games? Seems I've heard they abuse people a lot ...

mazfromiowa wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:41 PM

Bay-They can't be any worse than Cubs fans.

OrlandoBucsFan wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:41 PM

Just a thought for those of you who have lamented the Pirates recent trades - at least we're not Kansas City, a team with an even worse record than the Pirates.  I have no idea what they're thinking in acquiring Betancourt.  He can't field (no range at all), can't get on base and is under contract until 2012.  Seattle was probably prepared to pay them to take him but that they received two prospects (one of whom is a pitcher who was their minor league player of the year in 2008) in return probably has them buying lottery tickets today.

Say what you will, but at least the trades the Pirates have made over the past 2 seasons are defensible in terms of value received and the overall situation of the organization.

Forbes Field Memories wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:43 PM

JJ - I love that poem - thanks so much!!!

mazfromiowa wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:46 PM

OBF-There isn't a way to judge a lot of the trades we made...yet.If they are prospects then it will take time to compare results.I know there are people who refuse to go along with that thought.

FormerSoxFan wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:46 PM

Orlando,

That deal reminded me of the Matt Morris deal.  Just baffling.

Even if the guys Seattle got never throw a pitch in the majors, it was still a great trade for them.

gerardsmith wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:48 PM

Evan not very "meek" lately.  Regular 96 with control.  Better stuff than Capps.  Next closer?  Jones at 1B---gee, a first base who can run.  Hope he has a glove.  Young will play 2nd after Freddy.  Too bad he's still learning.  Pgh needs his bat---badly.  OJT with Jack should work.  Andrew better start swinging at 1st pitch fastballs right down broadway.  S/B interesting w/Jones and Young on right side.  Pitchers will throw everything to the right side of the plate.  Ready Jack?  

pghfaninstl wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:48 PM

JoeBucco,

I read your piece...very nice perspective.  I agree with you.

BTW,

The minor league team in Columbus, are they still called the Clippers?  I know they used to be the Yankees farm team many years back, but who's team are they now?

mazfromiowa wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:57 PM

Seems like Vasquez (defensively) would be a lot better pick at 2nd.Of course we get back to that thing about Young's glove..AGAIN.It's like Craig Wilson/power.Where do you put him?Or maybe where do you hide him?Young will be an enigma till he learns what that leather thing on his left hand is for. *sigh*

irate fan wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:03 PM

@leadoff - <Moss is hitting 255 against right hand pitching and 250 against left hand pitching, not enough difference IMO to sit him.>

@Bay - <But you never know, maybe JR will break out of his matchups mode, thinking the time has come - what with us tanking - just to put Moss out there, regardless of him hitting a home run the night before :-)>

Are you guys really serious???? How can Moss play after hitting a home run? He has to be exhausted from jogging around the bases. You of course know that Delwyn Young will get the start because he didn't do any running yesterday. All he did was swing at a ball in the dirt with the game on the line.

I can't believe you guys actually talking about Moss starting.

; )

pghfaninstl wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:04 PM

Like I posted last night, Adam LaRoche better be in the lineup tonight.  He is 2 for 3 against Hamels with 2 HRs and 4 RBIs.

Oh well, I bet JR sits him.

gerardsmith wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:07 PM

Too bad Duke lost his focus in 4th with 1-2 count on Howard and then threw 3 balls for a walk.  That was the ball game right there!  Nibble, nibble, nibble.  Boy, I sure hope Morton comes through.  Nibbles are for fishermen.  Let's play hardball with guys like Morton and Meek.  Oh, and Evan should lose 10 lbs off that gut.  

phillyjake wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:08 PM

@baywatch

At baseball games, yeah.  People will talk with you at times, but nothing I'd call uncivil.  

Hockey & Football are other matters, although I've only heard, never been.

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:09 PM

Maz, new law, e3verytime you change your face you have to send us a bigger version.

Reading wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:17 PM

With Jonathan Sanchez probably off the block, at least for now, or until his record goes from 3 and 8 to 3 and 10 or so, I say we switch grears from our more recent focus of stockpiling centerfielder types and pitchers and go back to our previous plan of stockpiling third basemen.  Let's go after that Kung Fu Panda guy on the Giants.  

mazfromiowa wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:25 PM

JJ-It's the biggest Chicken Little I could find.The sky is falling!!

G-Man wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:29 PM

Yesterday, DK's Bradenton article gave the correct pronunciation of Ngoepe (en-WEE-pay). I would have bet several bucs [pun intended] that a certain poster would have entered a post along the lines of:

"Bob Nutting puts a substandard product on the field NGOEPE to watch them lose."

G-Man wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:33 PM

This quote appeared in the Notebook this morning from Ian Snell on his start against Toledo last night:

"They were really aggressive on the first pitch," Snell said. "I had to mix my stuff instead of just throwing fastballs."

Gee, Ian. Sorry for the inconvenience. I guess Toledo is not supposed to TRY to get hits because it's you on the mound.

darylethepiratefan wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:46 PM

We are 9 out and after all that has gone on, I say if we can gain a game or 2 before the break , anything is possible, I mean it, When Milledge comes up we will be at full strenght, thank god we are in the Central, I am STAYING POSTIVE, I am not giving up, Now we have JONES, Again we can compete..

buc_fan_in_CT wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:49 PM

G-Man

I saw that same thing and i had to reread it b/c i honestly could not believe that he had said that. I thought the whole point of sending him down was so that he could work on ALL his pitches rather than just throw fastballs all the time.

DMac wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 1:51 PM

Adam won't sit...Adam rarely gets benched. (Of course, today JR will prove me wrong.  ;-)  )

Gman...Wait! Snell admitted to throwing something other than fastballs?  Isn't that what Kerrigan wanted him to do, but he wasn't interested in working on?  Or am I remembering that wrong?

G-Man wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 2:03 PM

buc_fan_in_ct and DMac & Cheese -

Re Snell: Well, Kerrigan's not in Indy so I guess Ian feels he can do whatever he feels like doing. Oh, wait. That's the same attitude he had in Pittsurgh. Never mind.

As for what comes out of his mouth, who writes his quotes, Mike Tyson? Puerto Rico must be really proud right about now that they let him represent them in that tournament.

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 2:05 PM

Sorry to inform the both of you, Ian went down not for a mechanical rehab.

Thundercrack wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 2:07 PM

Is Toledo the same team that Ian struck out 17 a few weeks ago?

WilliamWallace wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 2:12 PM

I thought Snell went down to regain his attitude by throwing the fastball? Wasn't the complaint about him that he nibbled too much and didn't attack?

I just read a report that the Rangers are interested in Zach Duke and Paul Maholm, and that the Pirates are looking at some of their top pitching prospects,  lefties Derek Holland and Martin Perez. Baseball America thinks highly of each of them. The report does add that Holland has been seen as an untouchable, but thinks Perez could be had.

irate fan wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 2:34 PM

@WilliamWallace - If the Pirates start trading their starting pitchers for prospects, then they are giving up on this season and next season. If that happens, I will have to admit that NH is right about the FO and they are only trying to make a profit.

pghboyinca wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 2:45 PM

@williamW

 What site did you pick up the Ranger news on? I would like us to deal one starting pitcher if it yields a nice SS or 2nd base prospect with upside. With Gorzo and Lincoln I think a starting pitcher could be moved specifically to get a middle infielder and then get the other Middle infielder through the other vets we trade. If we had Jones(1b, LaRoche (3rd), 2 young middle infielders with upside, McCutch, Milledge, with Moss holding a spot until Tabata hopefully arrives then it would be worth watching to see if they could grow together.      

WilliamWallace wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 2:47 PM

@ Irate Fan

I disagree. If the Pirates start giving away starting pitching, then i'll agree with you, but this trade wouldn't be like that at all if it would happen to go through. The Huntington philosophy has been selling high/buy low. Is there a player on the Pirates that, if traded, would be a better example of selling high. The Rangers were reportedly in attendance last night when Duke held the Phillies to only three runs in a complete game effort. Duke has been terrible the past several years, and his value has to be extremely high right now in comparison to what it has been. The Rangers are said to have one of the strongest systems in the majors, full of both pitching and power hitting. If the Pirates are looking to build around the core that many believe they are, such as McCutchen, Tabata, Alvarez, Sanchez, Morton, and Lincoln, then this year and next year are basically not meant to win games in my opinion. The players that are going to be here for the run need to use this year and next year to improve and develop, while the players that aren't going to be here need to raise their value as much as possible so they can be traded for additional pieces. This is a sucky reality for the present, but its the absolute truth in my eyes.

To me, the worst thing that could happen would be if the Pirates went on a run right now and were the leading contender for the wild card at the trading deadline, leading the FO to panic and make a trade to satisfy the fan base, such as Lincoln and Tabata for two months of Matt Holliday. As a fan, I don't want the Pirates to just make the playoffs if it means sucking once again at the beginning of next season and not having Tabata and Lincoln, along with losing Holliday to free agency. Making the playoffs shouldn't be enough, regardless of a teams history. If the Front Office is truly committed to fielding a winner for an extended period of time, the selling high, buying low strategy must be executed thoroughly until the end result is reaching for a title, not for the playoffs.

DMac wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 2:47 PM

@T-Crack...that would be correct.

@WW...I don't suppose the Rangers would be interested in Snell?  I'd hate to lose either Duke or Maholm.

WilliamWallace wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 2:48 PM

@pghboyinca

www.insidepittsburghsports.com

Not a lot of pirates stuff, but some here and there

irate fan wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 3:07 PM

@WW - I agree that Duke has been bad the past couple of years. That was due to Jim Tracey changing his mechanics. Kerrigan has brought him back and he is showing the talent that he has. He would be the Pirates All Star Rep if this team could score runs when he pitches. I was hoping to see Maholm and Duke lead this pitching staff. Lincoln is going to be here some time next year and he is going to be the go to guy in 2011. Morton is also going to be a good pitcher even though he got rocked in Houston. The guys to trade would be Vasquez, or Olendorf. They are #5 starters.

pghboyinca wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 3:07 PM

@WW  

  Found it, nice site to bookmark. Trade time at least makes the PBC relevant for a couple weeks.

irate fan wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 3:08 PM

ANTS MARCHING

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MarkInDallas wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 3:15 PM

If the Rangers were to give up Derek Holland for either Duke or Maholm, that would be a miracle.

Baywatch wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 3:18 PM

I bet Duke would be PSYCHED if he got traded to the Rangers ... on the plus side, he'd be close to home (from Clifton, TX, just a few hours from me, between Waco and Dallas) ... on the negative: He doesn't get to hit anymore :-)

Rook wrote re: Morning links: What makes Duke good
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 11:50 PM

What makes Duke good is the fact that the better he plays the sooner he is shipped to a club for their 17th and 25th best prospects. If the prospect of getting of the Buccos sinking ship isn't motivation I don't know what is.