Mets prevail in 10th on wild throw

a game that was given away--sad

This was one of those games that they should have won.

Wow.  What a lost opportunity this game was.

(sigh)....

     if there was any doubt Paul is not our ACE today pretty much took care of that.

Bucs need to trade another starter and move up Ohlendorf in the rotation to tomorrow.

@pattonbb wrote re: Pirates vs. Mets, 7-2-09: Play ball IV

on Jul 2, 2009 5:37 PM

madturk, I read 21 and thought 35

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LOL

On a good note Kudos to Jones for his bat, we are going to have to make a spot for him.

Pirates are like their management. Terrible. I watched this game with Mets announcers. Don't get fooled by your local sports writers that these trades we are making are respected or even appreciated as savy manuvering. We are the laughing stock of the Major Leagues.

Just like our managment of our players, this was a HUGE loss. The mets are totally happy. Biggest come from behind win this season for them. AND THEY HAD TO FLY INTO PITTSBURGH to make this game up! Maybe its the cocktail talking. But I am really frustrated about this team and what I am seeing. 5-0 lead and lose 9-8? We got our butts kicked from the 4th inning on. Go city of champions and the pirates. Gonna go nurse that cocktail... Happy 4th of july holiday, mine just started albeit on a lousy note!

David

Yes, I am at least comforted by what we saw (heard) of Garrett Jones today. We simply HAVE to put him out there daily. He brings the big bat we need. I have been very happy with him since spring training. He has paid his dues in the minors and is ready to rock in the majors. Similar to the case of Mike Easler years ago. There is no doubt that this guy can hit. I'd like to see him out there everyday for the remainder of this season and if he doesnt prove he can hit, then so be it. But I would bet he ends up being the brightest change of the year when it's all said & done.

Now looking forward, with Milledge out there possibly living up to his potential, along with McCutchen & Jones, and I think we might have something to be excited about.

@G-Man

Nice to see you made it home okay.  You are home now correct?

Really glad I didn't waste my day---turned it off early when it was ominously obvious that Maholm was going to blow that nice lead he got for a change.  Not sure when I'll turn them on again.

Someone call me when the future is now...

In the tradition of Spahn and Sain and pray for rain...

Zach and Ross and a bunch of losses...

A real bummer today, Nurse C better have the meds stocked up

Some food for thought, on a chilly rainy day in the burgh

As many posters note, being a PBC fan is like a curse, illness, disease, but still...

Bucco Nation (40 States in the Union)

Still looking for inmates from the following:

Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Hawaii, Minnesota, North Dakota,

Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Wyoming

Much thanks to thanks to coreybower for knocking Tennessee off the list

We do have 9 countries represented: Australia, Brazil, Canada, England, Germany, Ireland, Phillipines, Scotland and lest I forget, the good old USA

And gotta think of the future, I guess, today is too bad to think about

Top Ten Targets, in no particular order

1. Jordan Cooper (stated asking price $900K)

2. Zach von Rosenburg

3. Colton Cain (talking, asking for Bud’s permission???)

4. Trent Stevenson (talking)

5. Victor Black - Signed

6. Evan Chambers - Signed

7. Aaron Baker - Signed

8. Michael Heller (7 digits)

9. Brooks Pounders - Signed

10. Matthew Den Dekker

WOW , My guts are on the floor, I wont GO OFF, Capps could get traded tommorow and I wouldnt care less, 2 outs and of course his infamous walk, which n turn always steals and then he gives up a base hit..

G JONES, WOW what can you say, I hope to see him out there everday..

I thought AMAC had a arm, he had no chance at the runner anyway right???

Wow again this one hurt, Paul is getting the BOD from everybody and I have yet to hear him say anything about h is h ammy,

Wow this hurts again...Moss had a chance to be a hero, he hit it hard but 1 step forward for the bucs and 4 back...

c u tommorow :(

If Moss's line drive had been one INCH higher, game is over, but by all means trot DY out there to RF again. Moss would have caught the ball that DY bobbled, and Moss in RF would have cut  Tatis down at 2b IF he even would have tried to get the extra base on Moss, but DY's bat dictates he should be in the lineup to go 0-3 and leave 3 on base. JR has to go.

I cant stay away,

Hey anybody , how many pitches does CAPPS have???

@BABS - its raining in the burgh now, too late : }

MLB TradeRumors sez Twinkies offered 3 mill for SaNO, although they say his name is SanYO, if I missed that post previously, well twice is often better than never

Well Adams dinger at least might help his tradeability if that is a word, that was a clutch hit

Freddie, Moss, WTH are they doing on the bench??  Play them till their tongues are dragging in the dirt

darylthe pirate fan says : Capps could get traded tommorow and I wouldnt care less, 2 outs and of course his infamous walk, which n turn always steals and then he gives up a base hit.. Maybe now some of you will see why they were ready to take a chance on Hanrahan.Capps has no out pitch,and is condidered a " soft tosser ".And by the way,soft tossers as closers are as rare as a home run by a Pirate outfielder !

   I watched the game and a few things stood out

*  Jones punishes the ball, he doesnt have the quickest bat but he's a POWER HITTER.

* When Paul is off he's way off

* Though he is still a mediocre fielder Young has improved .

* AMAC is struggling, his swing is less disciplined.

* Jones needs to play 1st , he has no throwing arm at all.

* Jack looks like he's lost his best friend.

Oh yeah ! Forgot to mention to " piratefansince1960 " : when the Mets broadcasters were laughing at the Pirate 's deals,did you ask them how all of the Mets'  deals were working out ? Especially that 36 mil for Oliver Perez over the next 3 years ! THAT was a stroke of Minaya's genius ! For Real !

Daryle,

If Cutch throw the ball where Diaz can catch it (6 feet lower) the runner is out by 6 feet. Even the Mets announcers agreed on that one, but Cutch is still a kid, he'll get even better thab he already is.

@MACSINBOX

U r right on every point, What is AMAC doing wrong, God how I hoped Moss won the game, he deserved it ...

PFS1960,

I watched the Mets broadcast too, and I didn't get the feeling that the Mets announcers thought the trades were terrible at all. Maybe I didn't hear them correctly.

Like I said before the game, this lineup looked good to generate some offense.  Keep it the same this road trip (with the exception of getting Sanchez in there, of course) and see what happens.  Even if Jones is a candidate to strike out, you can see what his bat and athleticism can do.  He definitely has more tools than just swinging as hard as he can at fastballs.  

Is it just me, or is Maholm's season unbelievably predictable?  Oliver Perez had a breakout season, then went downhill.  Zach Duke had a good season, then downhill.  Ian Snell a big year, then downhill.  Maholm a break through year, now downhill?  I see a pretty predictable trend.

Does Duke get affected again since he's our best starter this season?

You can fault the Mets for making any bad signings.  To them a bad signing is just another day at the office since they have the money to sign whoever they want.  Oliver Perez to the Mets is like the Hinske signing to the Pirates, not that much money.

" What is AMAC doing wrong"

@DARYLE

     Really he's overswinging, he's trying to do too much. He will figur it out , he's a ringer.

Boy, does Maholm stink.  Maybe we sent the wrong "ace" to Indy.  Notice how selective some of the hitters are?  Take that first one right down broadway and then swing at anything threatening the zone.  Including baseballs!  Since that "WALKOFF",  the CF has become infected with Piratitis.  NO anitbiotic has yet been developed for this affliction although the management (staph) continues to scrub and disinfect the locker room.  Very mysterious.  

Another thought:  a few years ago when Freddy was switching to 2nd, I thought we should just put him at SS, since that was his natural position.  At the time, we had Jose Castillo, who was still a prospect.  Now with everyone asking "what do we do if Wilson gets traded or released" should we try Sanchez at SS again?  Maybe give DY a shot at 2B?  I think that we could replace 2B easier than SS.  Just a thought.

@ tedkin

                 they were critical of Milledge and they didnt speak highly of our club, SHOCKER.

mad -

>>@G-Man... Nice to see you made it home okay.  You are home now correct?<<

Yep. I came home Tuesday. Enjoyed meeting you Saturday and Uglyken on Sunday at the game. The three of us definitely have to play some golf together one of these days.

Speaking of golf, my buddy and I went back today to a new course built on the course where I learned to play. Just as I handed over my credit card, the pro said, "no dice" because my friend and I were wearing denim. Never heard of that severe a dress code on a public course. He offered to sell us "proper pants" but we said no and went home.

Wake, moving Freddy to SS makes more sense than Delwyn @ 2nd, his glove is too much a liability in the infield. I M O

2007 Opening Day Starter = Ian Snell.  Current Status, AAA

2008 Opening Day Starter = Tom Gorzelanny.  Current status AAA

2009 Opening Day Starter = Paul Maholm.  Current status, making down payment on a trip to Indy....  :(

The curse is alive and well.  Hint to 2010 opening day starter, pull a hammy on your last start in ST.........

In the interest of keeping things straight--Capps did not walk Tatis--he hit him with a pitch--still a free trip to first.

It might be a little late for moving freddy now, but it would have been a great move a couple years ago.  Too bad things couldn't have worked out where we moved Wilson for Jurrjens and made Freddy our SS.  If Freddy is for it though, we should try.

You can say the bats cost us this one.Or Paul.However one of the keys in my mind was the defense.AMac's airmail,DY's dive and drop,2 weiney throws from Jones or the fact our catcher(s) cannot throw anyone out and our pitchers do not hold runners.I'm not sure if those 2 throws from Jones were representative of his arm(too small sample).If his arm is that weak....then let him and DY platoon and/or let him play first.This game just showed ME how good Moss is defensively.

wake

I forget who, but someone here has previously posted a list of the declension of positions.  Basically, players can move down the line, but not up the line. Catcher and Pitcher are not included.  Shortstop is the top position, though. Basically, it is not believed that anyone can be moved from anywhere else to shortstop, while, on the other hand, it is believed that a shortstop can move to any other position.  I think 1B or RF is the bottom...so anyone can play those, but those players can't play elsewhere.

Of course, it is not set in stone, but I thought it was interesting...and it explains why so many prospects drafted are shortstops...we can turn them into anything!

maz

Isn't Jaramillo a pretty reliable defensive catcher? I thought he was throwing people out at a pretty good clip.  I could be wrong.

Moss is just a solid baseball player. He needs to be out there.

This game was lost several places.  First, with a defensive liability in RF you get what you asked for--bad defense which costs runs.

Second--When a starter is handed a 5-0 lead early he should at least protect it through 6.  A run or two maybe, but not all 5.

Third-the pen failed to keep it tied and walks played a major role in that.  

This one should have never made it to the 10th--Pirates should have walked off with win in 9.

JAL -

>>In the interest of keeping things straight--Capps did not walk Tatis--he hit him with a pitch--still a free trip to first.<<

Let's not forget Tatis was in an 0-2 hole and fouled off three more pitches before a couple of balls and then the the HBP. Never should have been on base.

@JAL ,

U r right, he did hit TATIS, My bad, all n all it was the same route , runner gets on without earning it and comes back to bite us..

@MAZ,

Never looked at like that, Is DY that bad in the field, I watched it at work on GAMECAST, speaking of work, I just came back from lunch and all I did was walk around , talking to myself about this game, I cant shake it PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME, NURSE!!!!!!!!!!!!! NURSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BAB

Right--SS takes more skill than 3rd or 2nd.  That is why you see players like Hinske who can play 3rd or 1st but not SS--or Young who has played (not well) 3rd, an 2nd but not SS.  

I also listened to Keith Hernandez and I NEVER got the idea he thought the Bucs made a bad trade.In fact he said since last year was Hanrahan's rookie year there was an upside to getting a reliever who threw 95+ mph.I could see if they wanted to rip on Milledge b/c they got NOTHING out of him and there might be some resentment in the same way we feel about Ollie Perez.

Indians in on Sano...(or they think they are)

www.fannation.com/.../108991

JAL -

Speaking of the defensive liability in RF, over the weekend at the games, some of us joked that when DY is positioned by the coaches for each batter, it always includes a reminder to face the infield. He really does seem that bad. Made me cringe whenever a ball was hit his way.

Daryle-DY is ok on most flyballs,but balls on the ground or diving grabs or a ball off the wall he might as well be an ostrich.(bury his head)Sorry IMO

Good Grief, I just looked at our ROAD TRIP, It has to be wrong, I thought we had a 6 game roady, ESPN has us at

Florida for 3

Houston for 3

Philadelphia for 3

GEESH, Does anybody know if this is correct, My god this could be the DEATHNAIL ..

@G-MAN:

"some of us joked that when DY is positioned by the coaches for each batter, it always includes a reminder to face the infield."

OMG I needed that laugh after that disappointment! Love it!

maz

Surprised they'd rip Lastings too much...they got two starting players for him.

Maz, Moss and CUTCH are clearly our best outfielders, Jones isnt bad but those two throws were real bad. Andrews throw was him trying to do too much I MO.

After Garrets plate appearances i would have a hard time sitting him  but i am sure JR Wont have an issue with it.

G-Man

I saw him out here at a game in DC and it was an adventure to behold

macs

LOL.  JR won't, you're right.

daryle

That is correct--they head into the AS break with 9 on the road.

I am not a DY apologist but he has improved in the outfield, he's up to semi-awful in the OF :)   JUST MY 2 CENTS

Macs

semi-awful is still a defensive liability :)

Lions43 all I know is we cannot play .500 ball. Mets can, do. We can laugh at their trades all we want. They win generally speaking. Thank god they have choked past few seasons the last month, or a guy in the office would own me. LOL!!

God as my witness I heard a mets announcer suggest we traded away all our power hitters, have none left so no worries on a HR to win the game. Or said something similar! Also I thought I heard we did not get any impact players in return for current trades.

Maybe I miss-heard. Guess my Peach/Apple Juice blended then poured over Rum in a glass of ice (3 cocktails) during the game while I was cursing at the top of my lungs. Maybe I missed heard what I ALREADY KNOW. OUR TRADES ARE HORRIBLE.

Go Pirates, love ya, but 2011 to be at .500 is an insane program of management procedure of success to me.

Hey its hard to type, amazing I am generally spelling correctly. Bad sentence structure I can tell. Sorry. Well, Go pirates happy 4th to ya all.

David

First off I'm a long time reader first time poster.  Today's game was a tough pill to swallow.  I was sure that JR was going to pull Maholm earlier than he did. I agree with everyone else keep Jones in the lineup he's killing the ball.  I still don't understand why JR won't just platoon DY and MOSS in right field. Let the kids run with the ball if they can't perform then send one of them down.

My guess is that we'll see Lastings right around the trade deadline.    Plus if it isn't already obvious, that Mets clubhouse is snarky like Keith Hernandez, who still thinks he's on Seinfield.  

I do like listening to Keith.   The worst color guy in the majors is by far Rob Dibble.  My guess is that he never recoved after Pinella decked him.

Goomba- GREAT NAME!!  welcome to the club, and I would hope you're not as addicted to the blog as I am.

Goomba

Welcome to the posting part of the blog.  I think JR should put moss in RF and leave him there until he is performing terribly.  He has been hitting well , plays a very good defense.  6 of his 20 RBI have come since June 20

Goomba

Also, thank you for in with an avatar.  Much appreciated.

WhyStan- Thanks for the welcome! Yes I am addicted to the blog.

  I agree that we'll probably see Lastings after Adam LaRoche is traded. They'll slide Jones over to 1st and let Lastings play LF.  

Evan Chambers walked in his debut at bat for State College (trailing 1-0).

Indianapolis lost the first game of the doubleheader 2-1. Eric Hacker pitched 4.1 innings, yielding six hits, two runs (both earned), two walks and three strikeouts.  Since its a doubleheader, they only played seven innings. Donnie Veal went 1.2 clean innings, two strikeouts to finish it off for Indy. Veal threw 9 of his 16 pitches for strikes, and induced 2 groundouts to one flyout. He stranded the two runners he inherited. Broadway's homer accounted for our only run. Luis Cruz went 3-3 with a double. Brian Bixler 1-3 with a double (now hitting .236).  

Altoona leads Reading 3-0.  Jose Tabata is 1-2 with a homerun. Gorkys Hernandez is 0-2. Jim Negrych is 1-2 with an RBI. 22 year old former super prospect Tyler Herron (picked up on waivers from St Louis) has pitched 3 innings, 2 hits, 1 walk, 1 balk, four strikeouts, no runs, and he has a single and walk at the plate.

Calvin Anderson is 1-1, Quincy Latimore 1-2, and Tony Sanchez 0-2 as West Virginia and Lake County remain scoreless.

Winston Salem leads Lynchburg 3-1.  Justin Wilson pitching, 3 IP, 8 H, 3 ER, 1 K, 1 HR allowed.  He also has made an error in the game.  Chase D'Arnaud is 2-3 with a double, a triple, a run, and an RBI.  Jamie Romak has a homerun.

May not loose any ground, SF losing 3-0 against STL

Brewers later on tonight in Chicago....Keep u posted

My god I cant shake the hurt ......I am such a loser, I am conducting interviews for school and the kids are talking to me and I am thinking about the GAME....NURSEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

BAB

Amazing how someone always hopes those "super prospects" will blossom.  Who knows, Herron still young enough to do so.

JAL-Thanks for the welcome.  No problem with the avatar I have been reading for a while.

I just like DY's bat for some reason that I can not explain even though I know that he is probably going to be a 4th OF.

Bay Area- Thanks for the updates it's nice to see Tabata getting his bat back after coming off of the DL.

Now I have a question for the asylum- If the Bucs trade Matt Capps who do you think will be the closer? One player or comitee?

WSB-

I'm glad there's someone else who can't stand Dibble. Ick.

@Bizrow wrote re: Mets prevail in 10th on wild throw

on Jul 2, 2009 6:29 PM

@BABS - its raining in the burgh now, too late : }

Freddie, Moss, WTH are they doing on the bench??  Play them till their tongues are dragging in the dirt

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What you want to try and win as many games as we can?  Geez what would that do to us in the asylum?  MEDSSSSSSSSSSSS please!

@G-Man wrote re: Mets prevail in 10th on wild throw

on Jul 2, 2009 6:51 PM

mad -

Speaking of golf, my buddy and I went back today to a new course built on the course where I learned to play. Just as I handed over my credit card, the pro said, "no dice" because my friend and I were wearing denim. Never heard of that severe a dress code on a public course. He offered to sell us "proper pants" but we said no and went home.

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Should have asked if the pants were lucky and would knock off a few strokes.  Ya just never know…

@wakerider429 wrote re: Mets prevail in 10th on wild throw

on Jul 2, 2009 6:48 PM

Another thought:  a few years ago when Freddy was switching to 2nd,

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Freddy does not have the range of Jack, and we still have the issue of his contract if that is to be considered.  Then we have who DY at second?  Yikes but I rather he get reps there then in the outfield.  Only thing though he has to get the bat back working again.

"Now I have a question for the asylum- If the Bucs trade Matt Capps who do you think will be the closer? One player or comitee?"

@ Goombah, welcome

My guess is committee 1st but i like Meek if he can throw strikes

@GoombaRagu wrote re: Mets prevail in 10th on wild throw

on Jul 2, 2009 8:00 PM

First off I'm a long time reader first time poster.  Today's game was a tough pill to swallow.  I was sure that JR was going to pull Maholm earlier than he did. I agree with everyone else keep Jones in the lineup he's killing the ball.  I still don't understand why JR won't just platoon DY and MOSS in right field. Let the kids run with the ball if they can't perform then send one of them down.

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He has and Moss is the better outfielder by miles.  Defense, arm and batting avg. JR just does not want to use the best or is working on seeing who should be around next year and the year after without regard to now.

Welcome to the asylum!

@ Goomba

If Capps is traded, they'll use Hanrahan as the closer.  The minute I saw his name in the deal from the Nats, I immediately thought that Capps has to be on the block.

BaB;

Gorkys homered as well

GoombaRagu wrote re: Mets prevail in 10th on wild throw

on Jul 2, 2009 8:21 PM

"Now I have a question for the asylum- If the Bucs trade Matt Capps who do you think will be the closer? One player or comitee?"

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Probably by committee at first but isn't Hanson when healthy in the mix with Meeks and Hanranhan (sp)?

macs,

"@ tedkin

                they were critical of Milledge and they didnt speak highly of our club, SHOCKER."

I wouldn't expect Mets broadcasters or reporters to be anything other than critical of Milledge. After all, he didn't so well there, but was the reason his attitude or being thrust under the brightest spotlight in all of sports, the NYC media?

I hope the Pirates can bring the best out of Milledge. This is exactly the kind of risk to take, especially if his salary is under 500K as I thought I read somewhere.

Time will tell.

Sorry this is late, just got back from dinner.

Closer

Nats tried Hanrahan twice and he failed twice--certainly has the arm to close but does he have the makeup?  Hansen, if healthy a possibility.  Meeks has been used late several times.  Chavez also has the arm to be closer but unsure if he is ready for that.  

PFS1960-Just kinda curious.WTH do you call that concoction?As with any trade that includes"prospects" it is impossible to evaluate most trades immediately.It's like Nate.He is a career .261 hitter.Since we traded him he has 3 HR and 13 RBI.He got 4 RBI in one game,so excluding that game he has 9 RBI in about a month.He was one of my favorites,but we need to try to get more.

After this road trip, we'll either be hearing the words  'hapless' or 'surprising'. Can't wait til the A-S break to regroup....

I find it funny that the Pirates outfield is so bad that Moss has risen to become a fixture with many of you that should be in the outfield every game.  A corner outfielder with 1 hr and 20 rbis and he is being praised by everyone in here as a great hitter and genius with a glove.  I am beginning to think he has the name Bay on his back, instead of Moss...

wake

Perhaps some us are not clear--it not that we think Moss is a great corner outfielder but that he is the best option they have right now.  Maybe if JR would ever keep him in the lineup with some consistency he would show more power but that is another argument.  

This team has so little power that pitching and defense have to carry them a long.  Today they got the runs but pitching and defense let them down.

@JAL wrote re: Mets prevail in 10th on wild throw

on Jul 2, 2009 9:24 PM

wake

Perhaps some us are not clear--it not that we think Moss is a great corner outfielder but that he is the best option they have right now.

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Right on, thanks for saving from posting the same thing.

I find it funny that the Pirates outfield is so bad that DY and his 3 errors,weiney arm and several misplays,plus the fact that teams are not afraid to run on him has risen to become a fixture with one poster.His BA has fallen from .365 to .309 since June 16th.He has TWO hits in the last 11 games. A corner outfielder with 4 2B and 2 HRs and he is being praised by one blogger..  I am beginning to think he has the name Bay on his back, instead of Young to this one blogger.

Wake,

As stated in previous links, Moss has also played the cumulative equivalent of one full major league season in his hort career.  This is the time to see if the young man (still just 25) can hit consistently at this level.  He has hit, and hit for power, at every level of the minor leagues.  I say give him the AB's and see what happens.  

Worst loss of the season.

"A corner outfielder with 4 2B and 2 HRs and he is being praised by one blogger..  I am beginning to think he has the name Bay on his back, instead of Young to this one blogger."

OK I will play along, i will take a guess that i could be that blogger?

Granted Young is not a finished product, despite his improvement in the outfield yes he is still a liability i admit that and i have before.

Brandon Moss I M O should be one of the corner outfielders until he plays his way out of that spot.

The fact of the matter is we have possibly the least established outfield in the majors, we are playing kids and we have to make sure we have the right kids playing and we need to make sure all these kids get a good look.

I want to win now and i am a produce to play guy and guess what Moss and Young have earned playing time.

Say what you want about Delwyn but he has earned some playing time, It is my hope that Brandon Delwyn Garret and Lastings play their best baseball and we have a heck of a decision to make for our corner oufield slots.

          May the best men win

Good evening inmates near and far.  Really down after hearing the final today.  At least Adam hit a meaningful HR for a change.  Reds and Astros have already won, Cards are beating the Giants, Cubs way ahead of the Brewers.  Yes the 9 game road trip is correct, and it wraps around the All Star break too.  

OF should be, Moss-Cutch-Jones, when Adam gets shipped off Miledge-Cutch-Moss, with Jones at first

@marty34156 wrote re: Mets prevail in 10th on wild throw

on Jul 2, 2009 10:23 PM

OF should be, Moss-Cutch-Jones, when Adam gets shipped off Miledge-Cutch-Moss, with Jones at first

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I will second that motion as well.

Marty

not sure if it the worst--I go with the one against the Brewers when the Brewers scored 4 in the top of the 9th to turn a 4-3 deficit into a 7-4 win.

JAL

I think its between those two, and the game in Millwaukee when we were up 5-1, once again with Paul on the mound, and blew it. But I'll give the edge to this one.

Is it me, or do anyone else get the feeling that Sano could get over 4.5 million?

Marty

OF should be, Moss-Cutch-Jones, when Adam gets shipped off Miledge-Cutch-Moss, with Jones at first

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You are right, but don't forget, JR makes out the lineup and he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Te only good thing that came out of todays game is that it looks like we may have found a hidden gem in Jones.

I have said this several times this year.

This Pirate team is built around pitching and defense, when you kill the defense, you kill the pitching. JR does not get it, in his quest for offense, he turned his team into an offensive team.

Marty

Good picks all

Now I am off so Good night to all and to all a good night

leadoff

JR is what scares me about that.

fyi.

www.baseballamerica.com/.../prospects

Daryl

I know your are grieving, but remember tomorrow is another day, this is baseball and we have our days in the sun, today just was not one of them, it was our day in the rain.

It is a good thing you were not around when some of us had to endure the "52" Pirates, they won 42 that year.

I swear that team could not play catch with each other.

One big difference between the fan of that era vs the fan of this era is that we could buy a ticket to see Ralph Kiner and we were happy, today people don't buy a ticket to watch a certain ballplayer, take today, Jones put on a very good offensive show, but a loss killed that. In my era, that is what we would have been talking about after the game.  Ralph Kiner would have never dazzled you with his glove, but nobody cared, they came to see him hit home runs.

Bay becomes citizen..

www.boston.com/.../red_soxs_jason_bay_to_become_us_citizen

I guess signing 3 from Taiwan is a step in the right direction for this franchises over seas program. Well I am out good night asylum. See you bright and early tomorrow.

Marty

Te only good thing that came out of todays game is that it looks like we may have found a hidden gem in Jones.

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A lot of us that saw him in ST thought he should have come north, but the Pirates liked Monroe. I believe the righty/lefty thing is what hurt Jones.

macs-I don't understand you at all.You make reference to Hitler,Joe McCarthy,You call Hostage the most arrogant SOB.You must have a guilty conscience.It's not you.It's the person who made these quotes,These are very memorable quotes too.________________________________________________ Let's keep Young in RF for a couple months.

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haha, I just know baseball well, that's all.

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We could probably get a pretty big bag of balls in a trade for Moss,

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If Moss is our future, we are in for many more losing seasons.

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I say keep DY in the lineup until Moss has as many home runs as him or DY pulls even with Moss' batting average.  Have him start every game until one of those happen.

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DY is young too, and he has more pedigree with the bat.  Nothing points to Moss every correcting his hitting problems.  Remember Brad Eldred?  people said the same thing about him, but Eldred could never parlay minor league success to the majors.  I seem similar qualities in Moss, although he does not have as much power.

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Right now, I'd definatly take Eldred over Moss and Eldred can't even crack the majors.  

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As long as NH is smart, he should try every possible way of trading LaRoche, Sanchez, Wilson, Grabow, Snell, Doumit, Moss and Morgan.

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haha I'm good.  I know people don't like that fact that I'm right all the time. My player evaluations are all correct, and I know which players are not the future and need to be dealt or released..

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Although every win now hinders their draft pick.  Ideally they will lose enough to get a top pick, hopefully that will happen.  Maybe after the deadline we can make a charge at Nats.

Was at the game today and not only was Maholm throwing softballs up there, he was maddeningly slow in doing so.  A few times Jack got down into a squat to rest.  Those of you who played the game know that a slow pitcher w/o command is the double whammy - and it affects the defense.  DP turns were a hair too slow leading to safe calls at 1b, Adam doesn't get to a liner he could reasonably grab, DY is a step off from catching one in the corner... it becomes cumulative.

I'm not going to go nuts over Jones yet - it's two games.  At one point a lot of Bucs fans thought Craig Wilson was a savior.  But the fact that Adam actually hit an HR with a runner on in a clutch situation... didn't think he had it in him at this point.

It's a bad loss - only 2nd time in past 3 years I left a game early (last time JVB was behind by 8 in 3rd inning).  Surprised they came back to tie.  Capps hitting Tatis on an 0-2 count with 2 out? Inexcusable.

Normally this would be the start of the freefall. Hope it isn't.  They've got some good parts if they could just keep it together and perform on the same days.

Good Evening, Gang! Had a hard ride today to Memphis where we have comfortable accomodations, but worry about our car ... It IS downtown Memphis!

Bummer on the game. I had enough of the ESPN Radio's Sportscenter every 20 minutes to see the Mets climb back into it and take the lead ... Didn't hear about the ending until we got close to Memphis.

I'm  with JR on some encouraging signs ... at least Jones' bat. I was hoping to see at least one nice hit from him last night. Oh well ...

Losing sucks but I guess what really gets me is how inconsistent we are in our game ... I mean you got Duke who can't get any run support, then you have Maholm who seems to get it fairly consistently - here lately anyway - and two out of three times, blows it ... and our pitching started out real nice.

Oh, well ... I guess at this point, I'm like "Nice to see the prospect of some punch from Jones." If I'd have had my picture made with him while I was there, I could take a little credit, like:

"Me and Mr. Jones, got a thing goin' on ..." (You know, sung to the tune of the old 70s soul song, "Me and Mrs. Jones!" Heh Heh ... Time to say Goodnight Baywatch. Goodnight, Baywatch.)

Let's really make a splash and be the first franchise to sign an Anarctican.  That's a girl named Ann who can wear    arctics.  She'll do well in winter ball.  

Did anyone else see DK's Tweet regarding Sano?

twitter.com/Dejan_Kovacevic

"Orioles front-runner for Sano. Will take days to play out. Pirates, Twins have made offers. Rangers on fringe."

Not what I want to see.

Jorge Arangure of ESPN Deportes insists the Pirates are the front runners, and he was right about Cuthbert, but still, not good.

The braintrusts idea of adding some excitement for the fans(what else is there?) is playing Young in right, Jones in left, Vasquez at short and Diaz behind the plate with Capps, Chavez, and Hanrahan seeing who can throw more fastballs past hitters who are just dying to hit it to someone.  Sure wanted to see Morgan, McCutcheon and McLouth in the same outfield, but this has more upside for fun and adventure.

Inconsistency is why this team stinks year after year....Perennial winners like the Cards always have excellent fundamentals and starting pitching.

Capps and Sanchez have the most trade value this summer so it would be nice to see a deal done with these two.  

After reading this blog for a while it is apparent that many of the people on here think of the players as friends on a personal level and get upset when one is traded.  The backlash on here from the Morgan trade is silly.  He is a 260 hitter with a good glove and poor arm.

The pirates are building for 2012, so get rid of anyone who will not be with this team in 3 years.  Forget about winning now, or even next year.  

It was great to see Garrett Jones have such a great game. It will be a bit painful to watch him in the outfield until Adam is gone, but hopefully Milledge will do his work at Indy and we'll have everyone on the correct positions soon. I hope we get to see that lineup with Freddy and Jack still here. That's probably wishful thinking, though.