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Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery

By Dejan Kovacevic | 3:45 p.m. Tuesday

Pirates catcher Ryan Doumit will miss 8-10 weeks because of surgery scheduled for his right wrist Thursday.

He was diagnosed earlier today with a slightly displaced fracture in the scaphoid bone. That bone will have pins inserted to fuse it together by Dr. Mark Baratz, the team's hand specialist at Allegheny General Hospital and the one who made the diagnosis.

The Pirates will promote Robinzon Diaz from Class AAA Indianapolis to replace Doumit.

More details to come.

UPDATE 4:05 p.m.: Neal Huntington says the CT scan that was taken this morning confirmed the fracture that was suspected on the MRI last night. Another CT scan will be taken in 4-5 weeks, after which a determination will be made about when to begin full baseball rehabilitation: "If we see the bone healing, solidifying, then we can move forward with the rehab," Huntington said. "If not, then we have to wait for the surgery to take. So, 8-10 weeks is the most likely time. It could be a little bit longer if the bone doesn't heal. It could be shorter if it does." Huntington added that Doumit chose the surgery route, with the full support of the Pirates: "It's the bone that gets the least amount of natural blood supply, which lends to not such a good prognosis in terms of healing on its own. Ryan opted for surgery, and that allows him the best opportunity to heal fully and make the quickest recovery, so we feel it was a good decision."

4:12 p.m.: Doumit was predictably crestfallen: "It stinks. You do everything you can in the offseason to try to prepare, and we're off to such a great start. From spring training on, we felt like we had a good thing going. It's devastating, you know? No one wants to be told they can't play for 8-10 weeks. If there was anything I could do ... just cut the hand off and let me play." He explained his decision to have the surgery: "A lot of things. Recovery time. If I'd continued to try to play on this, were there going to be long-term effects? I want to come back the same player." ... He said he thought little of the pain at the time of the injury, during his second at-bat Sunday: "I felt like a little grab, like one of those things you feel all the time. It obviously turned out to be more than that." 

4:49 p.m.: Here is audio of Doumit's media session.

5:01 p.m.: Just spent some time on the field with Jason Jaramillo, who will get the bulk of the catching duty in Doumit's absence. "When you decide you want to catch, this is why you take the job," he said. "That's the responsibility that comes with it, and I wanted to catch because of that responsibility, that role of leadership, so I'm looking forward to this challenge. I'm ready to roll. Obviously, it's bittersweet. Ryan's a big part of this team, and I hope he gets back healthy 100 percent. But I'm just here to hold the fort down and keep it going."

5:50 p.m.: Here is the full article just updated for Breaking News.


Posted Apr 21 2009, 03:45 PM by Dejan Kovacevic

Comments

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:19 PM

Always rough on player to get injured.  If there is a good side to this it that he should be back in mid-season.  Not a season ending or career threatening injury.

phillyjake wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:19 PM

*#&$*(@#&$*(!@&*(&$#@*(

Cajun Thunder wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:20 PM

Basically, this means no Ryan until after the All-Star Break. Someone's going to have to pick up the offense.

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:22 PM

God bless him.

gentle wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:23 PM

awful news. at least he'll be 100% for the post-season...

vabucfan wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:24 PM

It's OK, we'll just call up Matt Weiters. Oh, wait....

Pirata13 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:25 PM

Snap.

CecilioGuante21 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:25 PM

this may sounds ridiculous, but why not bring Walker up and put him back there?

this royally blows goats btw

JohnstownRuss wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:26 PM

This is tough. Will Neal feel the need to make a trade? Frankly, he should have had sunday off.

G-Man wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:27 PM

I feel like somebody punched me.

gentle wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:28 PM

ouch @ weiters comment

NuttingHostage wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:29 PM

Walker has caught a single game since 2006.

NuttingHostage wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:32 PM

I forgot the not.

Walker has not caught a single game since 2006.

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:35 PM

Wieters = spilt milk.   No use crying over it.

And no use second-guessing JR playing Ryan on Sunday.  I get a feeling if he's healthy, it's hard to keep him out of a game.  

Gotta feel for Ryan though...it wasn't anything he could prevent.  

THis falls under the "really bad" category.  Ugh.  Here's to hoping it heals quickly like his finger did last year -- Remember, he was supposed to be out longer than he was with that broken thumb.

Gman...that's a good way of putting it...sinking, hollow feeling in the gut area.  

BuccoJoe wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:36 PM

curse of the bobblehead?

papacoach wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:38 PM

Walker should not be put back behind the plate. Jaramillo was sharp last night both throwing and hitting Diaz showed a good bat in ST and at Indy. Have faith my fellows it will be all right. This allows Ryan to not get worn down at the end of the season

bjohnson921 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:40 PM

This will test the Pirates' ability to come through as a team and carry the offensive load.

Good teams find a way.

diehard wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:40 PM

NuHo - Seems you've had to point that out a lot lately.  So people, let's reivew two simple things so we can move on:

1 - Neil Walker is NOT a catcher anymore.  He's rated by AAA managers and coaches as the best fielding 3B in AAA.

2 - Matt Weiters is not now and never will be in the PIttsburgh Pirates organization.  

Can we please move on?

Ryan Doumit - Come hang out in the right-center field seats tomorrow.  I'll buy you lunch at Manny's.

bjohnson921 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:41 PM

BuccoJoe: curse of the bobblehead?

Dang, if something happens to Nate after his, I am changing my vote!

BleedBlackAndGold wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:42 PM

!#$(@!! $@@(!!M Bobble Heads!!!!

vanslyke wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:42 PM

How bad does this show the glaring need for a catching prospect?

BleedBlackAndGold wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:43 PM

NuHo... Allways the optomist.

BleedBlackAndGold wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:44 PM

Maybe we should try morgan @ catcher. He seems to be able to do everything that everyone says he can't do... other than hit for power.

papacoach wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:46 PM

I realize it is not the same but all of us playing fantasy baseball in any form will attest to JALs point that there are VERY few decent backup catchers in the majors. My friend the venerable hostage sir while I do find some merit in your daily anti FO diatribes I think blaming them for the lack of a second starting level catcher is more than a wee bit far fetched.

DanW wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:47 PM

I feel awful for Ryan and I wish him a speedy recovery.  He seems to be growing into a team leader, and I hope he finally gets past his propensity for injuries once he heals from this one.

I must take issue, though, with his statment that "...we're off to such a great start."  Since when is 7-6 a great start?!?  Maybe compared to other recent seasons when they've already been mathematically eliminated by now?  The Marlins are off to a great start.  The Pirates' clubhouse mood may be better, the starting pitching has definitely looked better than most thought possible, and Adam LaRoche is hitting in April, but the team as a whole is off to a mediocre start.  

Again, I don't want to pick on a guy who is probably in shock about finding out the amount of time he has to miss, but I also want him and the other members of the team and organization to set their goals higher than 7-6.

Pirata13 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:47 PM

G-Man--

that was me, throwing you a virtual punch. glad you got it! hahaha.

CandelArea wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:47 PM

I think if you are going to knock Neil for the now current situation at catcher, you are knocking him for not knowing about an injury waiting to happen.  I know (NH) you mostly are arguing about a depth issue here.  But, my point is that if you are going to be angry at Neil now that Ryan is hurt, you have to give him credit for getting four guys from the Yankees last year for a dude a now injured Nady.

Personally, I give no credit or blame to Neil for either.  I liked the Nady deal from the getgo, and I blame dumb luck for Ryan's injury.  

Oh, and is it too late to hop on the Nyjmo bus?  Love his attitude.

Robbiesdad wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:47 PM

This club should have Schleprock as it's mascot.  If this weren't such a devastating blow to their (already) pop-gun offense, it would be hilarious.  

@ Thunder - Forget about available the All-Star Break; consider his season (at least from the perspective of being a productive part of the lineup) over.  Even if he comes back in July, it will be like going through Spring Training all over again.  So, he won't be close to game shape until mid-August.  By then, it's only 2 weeks to the call-ups and meaningless games, anyway.  Get him ready for Bradenton, 2010.

Q wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:47 PM

These are the types of injuries that the Bucs can't afford.  They simply aren't deep enough with their talent at this time.  Oh well... can't change the past.  

Let's hope that the power source is picked up by Moss and An LaRoche - we will need it.  The pitching will determine whether or not we can compete in the long haul.

A-ron wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:49 PM

Andy is going to have his first ding dong, a 2 run shot.  And a RBI single.  

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:51 PM

Stop putting the lifeboats in the water!! We have 2 good catching prospects.By the end of the season we'll have a good idea about Diaz and Jaramillo(we gotta get a short nickname for him).Everyone sit down,take a deep breath,keep repeating 'it is only 2 weeks into the season".

macsinthebox wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:53 PM

                  I am saddened very much for Ryan he's a great kid. His leadership and bat will be greatly missed.

CandelArea wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:54 PM

Maz-

How about JarJar (and I'm not really even a Star Wars fan.

leadoff wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:58 PM

Every team has serious injuries from time to time, it is baseball, nobody including the Yankees can afford to carry two Doumits, what are we expecting Neal to? Did we expect Neal to make this team 2 deep with all stars at every position in one year, what planet are people from?

Neal did address his catching when he went out and got Jarmillio and Diaz, he figured he would have more than a month to get them experience, just did not work out.

Now is not the time to start complaining, the Bucs have not lost a game since Doumit left and there is no reason to believe they can't win now. Diaz is a pretty good hitter, probably better than the average catcher.

This is a tip for all you doom and gloomers------The Bucs will win with pitching, not catching, good catching and good hitters are great to have.

Q wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 4:59 PM

I'm not hitting the panic button, but the Bucs aren't deep enough to lose one of their two hitting stars with power AND average on the team.  Now, JJ and Rambo Diaz may play well, but we can all agree that both are extremely unproven when it comes to big league experience.  

Hopefully others in our lineup can start to step up and contribute more to the offense.  I also wouldn't be suprised if we see the leash on Morris be a bit shorter if he doesn't start to drive in more/any runs soon.  

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:00 PM

No more Red Bull.Also de caf coffee only.BTW this ain't no funeral.

Joey Bats wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:01 PM

Ryan ...we are REALLY going to miss you.

GET BETTER SOON !!!

Q wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:03 PM

Uhh... I meant Moss... not Morris.  

BayAreaBuccaneer wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:08 PM

RobbiesDad

Why all the doom and gloom?  8 weeks from today is June 16.  Ten weeks is June 30.  The All Star Game is July 14, or exactly TWELVE weeks from now.   That means that even if he takes the full ten weeks to heal, he could have two and a half weeks of "spring training" to get into "game shape" before the season starts back up on July 17.  

I fail to see why he would ever fall out of shape, since a wrist injury doesn't prevent his ability to remain physically fit and healthy, especially cardio.  He will have played for 6 weeks by mid-August.

Also, the plan was for him to catch almost every day when he's here, including in September.

ALSO, the "call ups" you speak of will be catching for the next eight weeks. Its not like there's some youngster (Steve Lerud!) coming up in September to get his feet wet.  

Eight weeks is about 60 games for your PBC.  That means Ryan will still catch, approximately, 80 games this year. (He's done so in 11 so far, and will get the call in 69 of 89 when he gets back, in my estimation.  

Not nearly time to punt for next year.

BayAreaBuccaneer wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:11 PM

And by the way, after returning from the long layoff last year, Doumit his .333 in the rest of June and .317 in July. So let's not pretend it will take him all year to be ready once he is cleared to play.  The guy knows how to come back from a layoff.

Cajun Thunder wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:12 PM

Ten weeks from today is June 30th. A two week rehab takes us to July 14th...which not so coincidentally is the day of the All-Star Game. I predict that his first game back will be July 17th against the Giants...which is our first game after the ASB.

Of course, we will likely have to deal with the loss of power from him for the rest of the season...which is common with this type injury.

Retire#21 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:16 PM

Is Doumit constructed of china?  I don't recall Sangy, Ed Ott or Spanky being as injured as Doumit.  

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:17 PM

I'm not sure why some want to hang Moss in effigy.i understand he has no RBI.However his BA is.265.He has 2 2B and 1 3B.He has hit the ball hard and has 1 error in the majors and has 2 assistsTthis season.The guy has 34 ABs!With him batting 6th or 7th he won't see as many guys in front of him.Monroe hit 4th and 5th.Only the top 3 in the batting order have scored more runs(Morgan,Sanchez,McClouth.When Ryan and Adam were struggling in front of  him(the 1st week) there weren't many opportunities for RBIs.  

jersey joe wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:18 PM

Before I read the lists I might just say that I have been on the change the ryan position since last may.

Whoever it was said about his constant getting abged around wears the body down and allows other injuries to develope.

We moved the kid from richalnd out of behind the plate because we saw plenty of hope for our depth, so what he has not caught in awhile, its not like he forgot.

Who knows if nates power would rise if he was out from behind the plate and not so beat.

fuzzynewq wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:22 PM

We could always make a deal and give Joggin' Ronny his old locker room stall back.... whaddaya think?

Q wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:22 PM

Maz

I'm not hanging Moss at all.  Just stating that we now need him to be a more prominent force in the lineup.  

diehard wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:23 PM

Jamarillo Time!  With that J being somewhere between a Y and an H, call him "Hammer" (with apologies to John Milner)

WTM wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:24 PM

"I realize it is not the same but all of us playing fantasy baseball in any form will attest to JALs point that there are VERY few decent backup catchers in the majors."

To put it mildly.  When the Yankees lost Posada last year, they ended up with Jose Molina, who proceeded to post an almost impossibly bad OPS+ of 51.  I guess they were too cheap to get a good backup.

Rather than complain about Huntington's handling of the catching situation, I'd say he did a very good job.  He started off with his only potential backup being a guy with dubious work habits who badly needed to move on.  He ended up with two decent prospects who both have the potential to be better than the typical automatic out you see backing up at that position.  They can't replace Doumit, but there are only a handful of STARTING catchers in the majors who could.  Let's try to stay connected to reality here.

tedkin43 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:26 PM

One of the true measures of a good team is when one member goes down, another is there to pick him up, much like Ohlie did for Zack. Ryan will be missed, but the season goes on. It wil be interesting to see how our beloved Buccos rebound from this.

macsinthebox wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:26 PM

                      I pretty much know what we will get out of Jaramillo, very solid receiver not going to tear it up with the bat. I am very interested in what we will get from Diaz, i hear he's a decent receiver but the numbers in the minors suggest he's going to hit for average, power numbers not so sure.

JHadar wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:29 PM

Okay -- so far our catcher got hurt and we brought up a replacement catcher.  We have two guys who should be motivated to do well, because when Doumit comes back one stays and one goes down.  

Breathe deeply.   It's not the first injury in the history baseball, and it won't be the last.  These things happen.  Most of the teams we play will have somebody on the DL, too.  

NH -- Singing the FO is evil song just right now is a bit annoying.  Most people's thoughts are with Ryan right now, not hating on Coonelly.  You said you were going to be in a good mood all week.  Keep your word.

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:30 PM

We have an equalizer.   Unleash Nyjer on Soto when we play the Cubs, and the Pirates are ahead in the backup Catcher deparment.  

Get well soon Ryan.

Hope Doumit's girl is ok.

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:34 PM

Jaramillo = JHammer.

tedkin43 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:34 PM

I'm all for giving Ronny his locker room stall back, as long as he takes it to Florida (or wherever his Team of the Month is)

Arriba Wilver wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:35 PM

NuHo--you are hilarious sometimes.

@NuHo---<If the Pirates bomb by losing one of the few legit bats they actually have, I hope Huntington is held accountable and fired.>

LMAO

Brennan wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:36 PM

Clearly, there is only one course of action...bring back jogging Ronny!!

Ha!

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:37 PM

Ummm...I'm more comfortable with either Jaramillo or Diaz than Paulino...any day!  Sorry...he's bump on a log behind the plate

macsinthebox wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:38 PM

www.baseball-reference.com/.../player.cgi

here's a link to Diaze's minor league stats

Capn wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:40 PM

WTM - I always pay strict attention to what you write.  And this time you were a calming influence.  Maybe that is always true.

Matt Alexander-DR wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:42 PM

Retire#21: I was having the same thoughts.  Are we ever going to see Doumit play a full season?  There are some players, who no fault of their own, are injury prone.  And I am a big Doumit fan.  I believe if he thought he could play through this, he would.  

To someone's point about him playing sunday, I thought the same thing.  On the way into the park I'd even said, 'well no doumit today - catchers never catch both ends of the weekend,' yet there he was.  Does that mean he wouldn't have done the same thing to his wrist last night?  No, but we're Pirate fans and therefore, know that fate had this particularly cruel blow planned just if he played sunday.

and I don't know how we overcome this - you just lost your cleanup hitter in a lineup that has been scrappy but, not very deep, and lacking in power.  Defensively we might get better but I'll take Doumit's bat and an extra passed ball here and there anytime.  It's going to be a rough 10 weeks.

AlaskanBuccoFan wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:43 PM

All we need is for the staff to continue to throw 4 shutouts every 13 games and we should be fine. :)

Honestly, how many of us thought the Pirates would play .500 ball this year?  All Ryan's injury has cost us is the slim chance we had at breaking the 16 year losing season streak.  This club still needs more talent in order to play meaningful games in October and that's the goal of this club, not just playing .500 ball.

tedkin43 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:45 PM

Let's face it, if a member of the ground crew sprains an ankle raking the field, Nutty Buddy will find a way to turn that against the FO. Oh Nurse!!! I'd like an extra large grain of salt please, Mr. Histage is on a rant again!

What ever happened to "fair and balanced" there, Nutty Buddy?

Matt Alexander-DR wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:46 PM

NuHo: a little over the top there I think, wanting NH fired for the backup catching situation.  We just happened to have what, a very respected baseball writer from Providence RI, on a sports talk show in Boston last summer called, "one of the best offensive catchers in baseball" go down with an injury.  Scan around MLB and tell me how many teams are carrying a backup C who is a 15/75 guy?  Your backup guy catches sunday, is a good clubhouse guy, and is solid defensively.  Sounds like that's what we have.

I'd still rather have Wieters, but he isn't injured now too??  Geesh, even getting passed on by the pirates in the first round can curse you!

diehard wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:47 PM

I'm going to guess that NuHo's issue is not so much the quality of the backup catchers, but of the current supply of bats - that we have not yet seen power from RF or 3B, which were among the team's goals.  

For me, that still comes back to it being early in the season.  Let's give Moss and Andy a chance to get going.  So far, we've done what we've done with Ryan only really having 2 or 3 big contributing games.

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:47 PM

NutHos- Did you know that the draft starts on Saturday at 4 pm. this year?  

Make that another thing that TV destroyed that used to be a really good thing wiithout meddling.

You could say that the NFL jumped the shark.

BayAreaBuccaneer wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:48 PM

Wow.  Fire NH because Doumit got hurt. That's a great idea.

The Pirates had one quality catcher when NH got here (Doumit).  He has had to work on shoring up several spots, and organizational depth was pitifully shallow all around.  Now that it is less-shallow, hopefully a young catcher is on the way. In the meantime, he parlayed our lousy backup and a utility player at a position we're loaded at into two solid backup catchers.  If neither of them pans out, it will have been a mistake of his.  However, it will certainly not be grounds for a termination.  Accountability does not mean forced perfectionism.  Backup catcher wasn't among the top 10 needs to address for NH when he got here. And frankly, he's addressed it fairly well anyway.

Cajun Thunder wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:49 PM

Here's a few names to look for in the June draft when it comes to catchers. HS catchers are supposed to be a strong point in this draft.

www.baseballamerica.com/.../267918.html

tedkin43 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:50 PM

oooopsy   Mr. Hostage that is

Bizrow wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:50 PM

I knew something was up when I saw Nurse Cratchett, taking the scissors out of the rec room.  POH and Doumits girl are having a rough time, I'm sure.

Its a strange injury, from swinging?  Or a foul ball?

I like Mr Doumit very much, like his passion, the way he plays the game, but IMO, he better start eating his wheaties.

Line up is weak bottom third, JWilson, the catcher and the pitcher.  Some folks better step it up.

But, re NH, at least we have some depth, I think I mentioned before, remember when Kendall got hurt, we traded Jose Guillen for two catchers due to no depth at that position., Cota and some guy that lasted the year and left, Guillen is a spoiled brat, still, but we could have gotten more for him, IMO

tedkin43 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:51 PM

hmmmmm.  maybe that was a Freudian slip (Histage, as in hissy fit)

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:52 PM

Good seems like we got things calmed down.Now any chance we can get tonight's forecast from Puxatawney phil?

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 5:56 PM

Maz...it's been raining on and off all day, though not like it was yesterday, IMO.  I think it cooler today than yesterday though.  

ConcernedChris wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:00 PM

looks like any chance of .500 has just went 'slip slide & away' :(

I am sick :(

This is exactly why they need to move this kid from behind the dish-HE IS WAY TOO INJURY PRONE to be a catcher-he might be too injury prone to even be an everyday player-While other teams take good hitting catchers from behind the dish & place them in less injurious positions, the bucs PRIDE themselves on keeping him there!!!

Dejan, I am calling you out on this one - I have written you many times about the need for them to move Doumit from behind the dish & you have ALWAYS backed up management's stance on keeping him there because of his hitting prowess & his 'improving' catching skills-

Playing 100 games a year (no matter how he hits) is not going to be enough for this team to get over the hump, much less win a championship-

Honestly, the guy has also suffered enough concussions back there that he probably would have been advised to retire if he was playing in the NFL-

1B/OF or BUST!!!

Yak wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:02 PM

@ Q

Love the Rambo reference.  Wonder if the Jumbotron can have a pic of him holding his bat w/ his bandoliers of baseballs, that would be sweet.

As far as Doumit, this really stinks.  I will say that I broke the same bone in my wrist before, through and through complete break.  I did not have surgery, but was in a hard cast for 2 full months and a soft one for another.  Hopefully he will heal faster w/ the smaller fracture and surgical repair.  He will be sorely missed in all facets.

ConcernedChris wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:03 PM

On a lighter note, though, I was one of the 200 or so that braved the game last night - what a great game :)

Not sure if they mentioned it or not on the tv broadcast, but, McLouth's blast sounded thunderous - you knew the minute he made contact that it was going to be a tape measure shot - 430-odd feet my a*s

Bizrow wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:03 PM

re- Doumit losing power due to the injury

I don't know if thats true about all hand injuries, I know it is with the hammate bone, or so they say

@DMac - re cold

Might be snowflakes in the mountains east of town.

The first test, we'll see how the PBC responds, there will be more for sure

Baywatch wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:05 PM

Gosh ... 72 comments in just a brief time ... Ryan, we love you, and are saddened because you are sad. We'll move on because we know you'd want us to ... after all, we're changing a culture here, no time to roll over and die. I think something is at play here this year that's bigger than one individual ... Though I know in a sense we've lost our biggest on-field cheerleader ... what the heck ...

LET'S TAKE THIS SEASON BY STORM FOR RYAN!

(and for all that pep talk, I could cry ... big boy and everything)

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:05 PM

Let's not all dogpile on NuHo.When we first got the bad news there were a lot of us saying and being naybobs.In University Iowa football we have a saying about injuries."Next man in!'

It just means we play as a team and try to pick up the slack.

 "Don't give up the ship"

Arriba Wilver wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:05 PM

It definitely seems cooler today and it's gone from sunny and bright to cloudy and rainy at least several times.  I'm guessing they'll probably get it in.

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:10 PM

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Cajun Thunder wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:10 PM

Just talked to Punxsutawney Phil. He says that outside of a few light showers...no reason to call tonight's game.

Tomorrow's game...considering it is an afternoon game...is slightly more iffy. If it were a night game tomorrow night...probably in better shape.

Of course, as soon as the Pirates leave town for San Diego...the weather will warm up in Pittsburgh. A 9 game western road trip in April makes much more sense than a 9 game homestand. If we can figure that out...why can't MLB?

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:12 PM

I checked the forecast on the Weather Channel.Tomorrow there might be flurries.I thought Iowa was an icebox,but man it's barely a week before May and the burgh is having Xmas weather.Yinz need your muk luks tomorrow.

darylethepiratefan wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:12 PM

Concerned Chris what was that like, I love my BUCS but it took me 3 innings to get over the crowd....The announced crowd was 9500, it had to be half of that, u think??

Whats going on , the Steeler fans come out in the rain and the PIRATES ARE BALLING AND nobody is there..What gives??

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:13 PM

Doug Mientkiewicz would be proud of this guy.

Ryan's quote from DK's full article and on his permission to stay in the Burgh:

"These are my boys, and this is my team," Doumit said. "If I can stay here and help Jason, help our pitchers, sit on the bench and learn from Joe Kerrigan, then something good might actually come of this."

Attababy.

JL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:17 PM

Super Troopers! Good Afternoon!!

Pooper Troopers, Good Afternoon to you, too. Everybody deserves a good afternoon.

And enough has been said about Ryan's injury. He'll be back, and it'll still be in the first half of the season. Remember: "THE WORLD BELONGS TO OPTIMISTS. PESSIMISTS ARE ONLY SPECTATORS."

marty34156 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:19 PM

This really makes me want to punch Littlefield for taking Moskos............

JL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:20 PM

Excellent, PoH.

And this is another reason I DON'T want to see Ryan at 1st base. He has the heart of a lion and is a CATCHER. He's a leader, a general, and exactly the guy I want quarterbacking our defense.

macsinthebox wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:22 PM

             Concerned Chris, a tip of the cap 4 being at the game last night, those who didnt show, "shame on you for 6 weeks"

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:24 PM

Gotta love that he wants to stay with the team for rehab and not be banished...I mean sent...to Bradenton.  

The audio was frustrating to hear, knowing how frustrated he is...Here's to hoping for a speedy recovery, Ryan!  

The road trip...what knucklehead has them going to San Diego, then Milwaukee?  Whoever does the scheduling really doesn't like us, huh?

RE:  Weather...the sun's out now, but that doesn't mean much.  The four-letter s-word?  Ick!  

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:26 PM

oh dear--my fear has been borne out--injury brings out a bunch of gray men.  

Great thanks to Gentle for coming with an avatar--need all we can to overcome the bad karma of the gray men. :)

BuccoNation wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:27 PM

"Most players undergoing extended rehabilitation are assigned to the Pirates' Florida facilities, but Doumit sought and received permission to remain in Pittsburgh.

"These are my boys, and this is my team," Doumit said. "If I can stay here and help Jason, help our pitchers, sit on the bench and learn from Joe Kerrigan, then something good might actually come of this."

my man.

JL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:29 PM

We've also heard enough about Wieters, for a good long while. Let's focus on what we can do, not what we should have done. I still say we should try and see if Karsty can catch his own game, tonight...

Bloomsday wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:29 PM

Darn it all to heck. Pardon my French.

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:30 PM

Cheer up.. Lynchburg up 2-0.  Wilson scoreless thru 2.

WTM wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:32 PM

"This really makes me want to punch Littlefield for taking Moskos............"

Take a number.  We're now accepting reservations for March 2015.

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:34 PM

Really like what the players are saying, especially Jaramillo and Doumit.  Move forward.

And I  join others and say Weiters is over--no mas

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:34 PM

Pressely doubles in Pausch, 3-0.  top 3rd.  Pedro up next in bottom of third.

http://www.kdcountry.com/

JL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:35 PM

JAL,

"bad karma"

We'll be okay --UDN showed up and did a little Bucco bashing (albeit, rather mildly for him), so due to the Law of UDN's Inverse Accuracy, all bodes well for us tonight.

JHadar wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:36 PM

Can't keep up with this this afternoon.

On << ach! the season's over >> Simply put, no it's not -- this team will be as good or as bad as its pitching; they're young and inexperienced and there's no telling who will catch fire and who won't.  

ON << Put Doumit on 1st Base so he doesn't get hurt >> Do you guys read?  He got hurt swinging a bat not catching.  He's the best catcher we've got.  He is not the best first baseman, or maybe even the second best, that we have in the system.

ON << He's injury prone >> Not sure I buy that about any professional athlete.  He gets injured because of the position he plays, maybe, or because of bad habits -- but I don't think that he's some way more delicate than the rest of catchers in MLB.  Coaching needed maybe.  

Bloomsday wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:37 PM

With Doumit out, we have only one beard in the lineup. How are the Bucs supposed to win with a facial hair shortage? Are Ken Oberkfell and Goose Gossage available?

JL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:38 PM

I give up. This thread is destined to be a "wallow in sorrows" thread. I'll check back after the game has started. till then, NYJMO'S GONNA ROLL! Get your bus tickets while available.

papacoach wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:48 PM

If we were still living in the steroid era it might be prudent to worry about power but in the new small ball era having Andy and Brandon getting solid base hits and playing strong defense (2 outfield assists and the Andy show last night) is much more important. Anyway if we keep getting 4 shutouts every 13 games we don't need a lot of power.

pi-rat wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:48 PM

NOOOOOOOOOO!

flowers to doumit for a speedy recovery. I am half surprised he just doesn't walk it off.

but stuff happens. man up, strap up, beef up, tear up. rise to the occasion.

that's all we can do.

AlaskanBuccoFan wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:49 PM

Bloomsday - Oh boy, I hated Oberkfell.  And Wally Bachman.  It's bad when the guys you dislike the most end up on your team.

Baywatch wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:52 PM

Bloomsday! I just checked you out in my high school annual ... And in the "Last Will and Testament", in the back, you said "Darn it all to heck" there, too!

Las Vegas Pirate Fan wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:58 PM

Sucks about Doumit.  Love his quote about cutting his hand off, though.  He'll be fine and back before 10 weeks, I'm sure.  

I agree Jaramillo and Diaz need nicknames.  Let's stop the wallowing and focus our efforts on coming up with a few -

I suggest Yammer and R2D2.

Who's with me?

Bucs win a close one tonight...bullpen gets the win.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 6:59 PM

JL-Don't go Rick wants to do a video just for you ;-)

Sorry you're so mellow I had to do it.Bay gets mad so I had to stop picking on the old booger (get it...booger)

Time to do a shape shift!

Bloomsday wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:00 PM

I hated Oberkfell and Backman, too. The Braves and the Mets. Sheesh.

I've been saying "Darn it all to heck" since before it got popular, back when we wore an onion on our belts, which was the style at the time.

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:02 PM

Wilson is DEALING 3-0, going to bottom 4.  

Pedro did.. what else.. Walked and scored.  My boy Durham has an Rbi too.

BayAreaBuccaneer wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:10 PM

Andrew McCutchen with a big fly in the first inning, his first homerun of the year. Bixler a walk and a run, Salazar a double and a run, Neil Walker an RBI.  Gorzo 1 inning, 1 k, nothing else.

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:15 PM

And we're underway at PNC...

Bonifacio leads off for the Fishes...I mean Marlins...he rolls a 2-2 pitch to Freddy at 2B, onto Adam for the first out.

Baker follows with a single on the left side.  1 on, 1 out.

Ramirez hits one deep to left and Nyjer catches it on the track.  Baker back to 1st.  2 away.

Gload singles of Freddy's head.  2 on, 2 away.

Uggla steps in.  He grounds to 3rd.  Andy throws from the hole to Adam for the last out.

Marlins don't score, Pirates coming to bat.

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:16 PM

Bottom 5- Lynchburg 3, Fredrick 0.. Wilson 3 hits, 1BB, thru 5.  I think reliever as "pitch counts" comes into play in the 6th.  

Good update BAB.  

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:18 PM

Bring Watts up to replace Doumit (kidding).  A catcher with 2 steals already.

jersey joe wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:27 PM

I like action names. Remember, I came up with shelby just garaged it.

With the same festive plenty of hope, when he comes up to bat I want him to:

                                JAM IT

Thats the name I like, Jam it

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:28 PM

Top 6th, lynchburg 3, Fredrick 0, pressley bunts on, Jordy fielders choice, Pedro singles to center, 3rd baseman cuts off throw and Pedro is caught in a rundown.  Hauge wiffs to end the inning.

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:29 PM

Nyjer steps in to lead off the Pirates' half of the 1st.  He singles to left!  

Freddy gets a single to right.  Back to back singles give us runners at 1st and 2nd, no one out.  That was a short single to 2nd, so Nyjer couldn't go past 2nd.

Nate's turn.  He flies one to center, Nyjer tags and moves to 3rd.

1 away, runners at the corners for Adam.

YAY!!  Adam singles on a liner to center.  Nyjer scores.  1-0 Pirates, still only 1 away.

Moss hits one back to the pitcher.  1-6-3 double play to end the inning.

1-0 Pirates.

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:31 PM

First pitch of the 2nd inning is popped up to Andy at 3B for the first out.

Ross flies out to Nyjer in CF.  2 away.

Maybin goes down on called strike 3.  

3 up, 3 down for Karstens.

AlaskanBuccoFan wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:32 PM

Looks like Karstens is working fast and throwing strikes, at least on Gameday.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:34 PM

Stan-Watts is a good hitter,defense not so good.

29 pitches  pretty good 29-20

jersey joe wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:38 PM

BEEP BEEP

The Roach Coach is pulling out.

Check Adams stats, I do not remember one single time he came through like he just did in any april, maybe even forever.

I think it safe to say that the privacy of Adam being in Fl. as far back as Jan. is proof posative that he took me serious with my thought he should use some psycho cybernetics to overcome his nemesis the off season.

jersey joe wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:38 PM

what did I say, he just came in and jam it jamed it.

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:39 PM

Nyjer and Adam--then Andy and jaramillo

marty34156 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:42 PM

That double could be HUGE for Jaramillo.

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:43 PM

Andy leads off the bottom of the 2nd with a double!  YAY!

Jack hits a tapper to 3rd, Andy does advance, but Jack is out.  1 away, runner on 3rd.

Jaramillo hits one off the top of the wall for a double!  Andy scores...2-0 Pirates.

According to Steve Blass, it just missed getting out of the park in right.

Karstens steps to the plate.  And he strikes out.  2 away.

Nyjer taps one over the mound.  Uggla fields it, throws on to first for the final out.

But we get another run...2-0 Bucs, heading to the 3rd.  

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:43 PM

top 7- Lynchburg 3, Fredrick 0.  Dubee "bags of balls" (the player to be named twice now) whiffs two in a scoreless 6th, and then Watts singles but is stranded.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:44 PM

If there was a fan to interfere with that hit it's a HR.

Baywatch wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:46 PM

Your winning lottery number for the day is ...

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:48 PM

Maz- Watts' glove appeared average, Felix was all over the place on Sunday and he blocked most of what he could.  The Blue Rocks have some speed, but outside of Moose tacos getting gunned out, then didn't try him.

For A ball Watts is probably a 6 or 7 on a scale of 10.  Durham and Davis play a good outfield.  

jersey joe wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:50 PM

DMAC,  And he did this from the batting order position I say he is the natural for on this team, number four.  He did not tank when in a short note was moved into that pressure position, in april.

If he plays as he has, and has we expect he will improve to as the season moves along, he does not get moved out of the number four spot.  At least he should not.

AlaskanBuccoFan wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:50 PM

Maybe I spoke too quickly.

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:52 PM

Lynchburg win game 1, 3-2 in Seven innings..

Dubee gets shelled in the 7th, Rodriguez (aka Slowpoke) slams the door and saves the game.

Justin Wilson gets his first professional win (that i know of).

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:53 PM

The pitcher leads off and flies to right for the first out.

Bonifacio gets ahead 3-0, but Karstens gets 2 quick strikes.  The 3-2 pitch is a roller down to Freddy for the 2nd out.

Baker walks.  Runner on, 2 out.

Ramirez  drives the 0-2 pitch and Nate fields it off the bullpen wall.  Baker scores, Ramires ends up at 2nd.  

2-1 Pirates.

Gload hits a 3-1 pitch to right and Moss makes a diving catch!  Side retired.

SOunds like it was a nice play!

(No score, Pens and Flyers, 1st intermission)

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:56 PM

Moss makes up for the DP.

50 pitches 50-31 s.

jersey joe wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:56 PM

Freddy is Ready

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:56 PM

WOOOHOOO!  TELL THAT ONE GOODBYE!   Freddy just hit one out to left!

3-1 Pirates.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:57 PM

Moose tacos-fan promotion

jersey joe wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:58 PM

 How is everyones Magic Karstens Ride going this evening

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 7:59 PM

Nate hits one to center, but it hangs up for the CF to make the catch.  1 out.

Adam sends a 1-2 count deep center, but that is caught to. Darnit!  2 away.

Moss rolls one to Ramirez at SS for the last out.

3-1 Pirates.  

Baywatch wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:00 PM

OK, Karsty, we can't have a shutout every night ... but RIGHT HERE is where the hitting stops for the Marlins. Let's Go!

jersey joe wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:00 PM

DMAC, as we heard about that long ride Adam just the ball, it is like bam ask you shall receive:  That drive as the season progresses and he gets strongeras he does, that ball is out.

radio wave wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:01 PM

Thanks for the game and Pens updates, as always appreciated. Sounds like things are off to a good start tonight. Sorry to hear about Ryan's injury. I think defense is more important than hitting at catcher at this point.  But I don't know which catcher is better at handling the staff.

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:05 PM

Uggla grounds out to Andy at 3rd for the first out.

(JJ...and it's cold now too.  Imagine that ball when it's a little warmer...Nate's too.  They probably both would be gone)

Hermida flies out to Moss in RF for the 2nd out.

Ross hits a one-hopper to Jack, onto Adam.  Side retired.

Still 3-1 Pirates.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:06 PM

Karsty lookin goood

62 P 39 S  3H 1BB

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:09 PM

What? Me worry?

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:10 PM

Andy rolls one toward the 2nd base bag, but Ramirez is able to field it and throw on to 1st for the out.  Rats.

Wilson hits one right into Uggla's glove for the 2nd out.

Jaramillo strikes out to end the inning.

Heading to the 5th.  

jersey joe wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:14 PM

Jam It Jam It you ought to hit a ball ,and slam it

salm it slam it do it to the ball our boy Jam It

get back into your suit

We will stay and root

Hoping to see you get down and ready to clam it

jersey joe wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:17 PM

DMAC, you are right there

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:18 PM

Maz

Karsty is throwing too many pitches. 72 with the 5th still gong--might be out after 6.

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:20 PM

Ugh...leadoff walk to Maybin

The pitcher strikes out.  1 away.

Bonifacio strikes out and Jaramillo throws to 2nd, as the runner went.  Strike-out, throw-out DP!  Nice!

Side retired.

Pens update....Crosby scores for the Pens.    1-0 Pens  12 mins in the 2nd period

Baywatch wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:21 PM

How about that GUY,  the Earl Morrill of your Pittsburgh Pirates this year, Jason "Whenna Da Moon Hitta Yo Eye Like a Bigga Pizza Pie" Jaramillo!

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:24 PM

77 P after 5

He might get 7 innings

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:25 PM

I can't believe the pitching.Is this the same starters?Makes you think the FO knew what they were doing eh!

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:26 PM

Always like the strike out throw out play.  

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:28 PM

Karstnes grounds to 2nd for the first out.

Nyjer strikes out looking for out #2.

Freddy hits one to right.  It bounces by the RF'er and rolls to the wall. Freddy ends up at 2nd with a 2-out double.

Dang it!  Nate strikes out to end the inning.

3-1 Pirates.

Pens update...Kennedy scored for the Pens.  2-0, still 2nd period.

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:28 PM

Bay

That is why I thought the moaning today was premature.   Going from Doumit to Jaramillo is not like having to use a single A player.

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:30 PM

Maz

maybe, but he missed some ST so might not be ready to go above 90.

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:31 PM

Freddy has his average up to .373.

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:34 PM

Karstens gets behind Baker 3-1, before it's popped to CF.  Nate is there for the out. 1 away.

Ramirez flies out to LF.  2 down.

Gload hits a 2-1 pitch to Nyjer in left for the last out.

Another quick inning for Karstens.  

Heading to the bottom of the 6th.

Baywatch wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:36 PM

That 6th was a BIG, BIG inning for Karstens! Now we can start thinking about our better bullpen guys if Jeff falters in the 7th.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:36 PM

JAL- I think he goes 7.Hannah with a nice effort but she comes in 2nd

Doc wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:37 PM

Although I am not a sports medicine physician, I do know this is a terrible, terrible injury. IIRC these take around 12 weeks to HEAL ( hopefully) and only after it is fully healed could you begin any rehab. Imagine if you don't use your hand for 3-4 months, then need to start using it how long it would take you to be able to pick up an empty glass, let alone hold a baseball bat and swing it.

I suspect his season is over, unfortunately. There is unlikely to be a worse bone you could fracture.( even a femur might be better than this) My hope is he can come back next year the same player.

Sigh....what vodoo priestess is doing this to us???

emoneypitt wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:37 PM

Freddy "Teddy" Sanchez at it again!

Mr. April still drivin em in as well.

Karstens pitching decent tonight. Good sign.

Pens up 2-0 on Philly.

Good night all around so far.

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:39 PM

We knew from last season that Karstens can pitch very well, just needs to do it consistently.

Yak wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:39 PM

Man, these 2 out walks are just as bad as walking the pitcher.  This could be another shutout in the works if they can start preventing those eyesores.  Killer too many times, good thing the bats are working tonight.

radio wave wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:41 PM

There you go 2nd and third on  a wild throw on a bunt. Fish fundamentals?

emoneypitt wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:42 PM

@Doc

I heard a long time ago that Jane Fonda  (Ted Turner's wife) put a curse on the Pirates during the '92 NLCS against the Braves. You never know.

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:43 PM

Yak

Walks are bad almost any time.

Yak wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:44 PM

@ Doc

I agree with you, as I said earlier I had the same thing happen to me.  I thought it was just sprained for a while, but got an xray when I couldn't pick up anything with that hand, the squeezing for grip was impossible.  This will be tough to get back from quickly I would think, especially w/ the throwing hand.  That really is too bad and unlucky, I love him as a player and am always optimistic when he's at the plate.

Either way, I'm still nervouse about tonight's game, even with Karstens appearing very solid.  Let's Go Bucs !

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:44 PM

Adam is called out on strikes for the 1st out.

Moss bounces a 2-2 pitch to Uggla at 2nd, for the 2nd out.

(Yates is warming in the bullpen)

Andy steps in.  And he walks on 4 straight pitches.

Jack bunts to the 3rd base side and the pitcher throws it past first.  All hands safe.  Runners at 2nd and 3rd.

It's scored as a 2-base error for on the pitcher.

Jaramillo is intentionally walked to get to...the pinch-hitter Hinske.  Very odd.

Hinske bounces it to the right side and the 1B fields it for the out.  

Oh well.  Still  3-1 Pirates.

PiratesFanSince1960 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:46 PM

JAL.... am testing my avatar for  you... Lordy, grey men cause bad vibe... LOL.... :----) I just spent 17 minutes on this and it better work... Bad enough gotta see Doumit out for 2 months... Here is to the LaRoche Brothers hitting and our pitching to continue to support the hitting!! Go Bucs and Go Pens tonight I think.... David

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:47 PM

Sweet jesus..  Fredrick 5, Lynchburg 1, Pedro learning vs lefties, infield single to third (average speed, but very smart baserunner), hague grounds into DP.   5-1 Hillcats in trouble.

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:47 PM

Maz

Good thing you had no money on that bet--Kartsens goes 6.

jersey joe wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:48 PM

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               april 26 1:00 pm

           e town bar, butler street

                     etna

post rsvp or email  tjfran@comcast.net

AlaskanBuccoFan wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:49 PM

Here we go. Yates in the 7th, Grabow the 8th, and the Mad Capper to close it out in the 9th.

marty34156 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:49 PM

Thing going well tonight!

dubers15801 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:51 PM

I'm sick for Ryan.  I wish him a speedy and safe recovery.  

This will affect the pitching staff greatly.  I'm glad we're not depending on Paulino.  Lazy.

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:51 PM

Yates is in to pitch for the Pirates.

Uggla opens the inning with a pop to left for the 1st out.

Hermida walks.  

Ross bounces one up the middle. Jack fields it, steps on the bag for one, then throws on to Adam for the DP.  Side retired.

Sweet!  

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:52 PM

Relievers walking people--ugh ugh ugh

mazfromiowa wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:52 PM

Dirt's gonna be unhappy after JW did that.woo hoo

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:53 PM

Oh yeah--the old DP--pitcher's friend

marty34156 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:53 PM

Freddy goin for the cycle this inning! He needs a triple so................ come on Freddy find a gap and then run like hell!

JHadar wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:54 PM

So far so good -- a little insurance wouldn't hurt.

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:54 PM

Maz

You just can't make some people happy

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:55 PM

JH

Sure would like a couple more.  2 runs can score quickly.

radio wave wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:56 PM

Come on Freddie, a triple for the cycle.

DMac wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:57 PM

Nyjer leads off with a bunt that's fielded by the 3B and he's able to throw Nyjer out at 1B.

Freddy strikes out on a 3-2 pitch.  2 down.

Nate hits one to left and Hermida is there.  3 away.

Grabow was warming up in the bullpen.

marty34156 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:58 PM

Grabow time.

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 8:59 PM

A Sanchez pitched well but those 3 early runs are still standing.

marty34156 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 9:00 PM

Or more Yates lol.

marty34156 wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 9:02 PM

3-2 oh boy.....................

JAL wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 9:02 PM

There's one of the 2 the fish need on one swing--Maybin takes Yates deep--3-2

WhyStanBelinda wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 9:06 PM

Update -  Bottom 2nd.  Fredrick 5, lynchburg 1..

Paul Mildren, Former blue rock, 0-7 in 2008 and an Aussie, knocked out in the first, Pedro makes error after leadoff triple and 4 more come around.

Presley (not Elvis) triples and Jordy sac flies him in .

AlaskanBuccoFan wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 9:06 PM

Let's turn 2 here.  I get nervous with Hanley up and runners on.

JHadar wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 9:07 PM

Pass the blood pressure pills.  

radio wave wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 9:08 PM

How about that reaction to Ronnie Paulino?

jersey joe wrote re: Doumit out 8-10 weeks, having surgery
on Tue, Apr 21 2009 9:08 PM

JHADAR,  If one takes some body punchs long enough one ecomes tired and sore and as that continues to break you down you will become more prone for other body areas to fall to attacks.

The way Ryan gets hit repeatedly by foul tips, it could catch one right on a muscle and bruise it so it does not give its normal  support, thats how that contach can resonate ans snap a small bone like that.

Anyone who saw the home opener ceremonies saw manny walk, and he does not walk so well now a days.

I bet catchers as durable as our old friend jason has been for so manny years minus that bad ankel injury are a rare breed.

I also would be as curious as george to see how ryan would hit playing full time at less strenuous position.