Pirates vs. Marlins, 4-20-09: Doumit out with wrist injury

Rain Rain, Go Away so I can come to PNC Park and eat expensive food and drink high priced brew and oh yeah..watch the game!

If it's injury-related, it wasn't something bothering Doumit enough to not warm up the pitcher in the top of the 9th, while Jaramillo was getting his gear back on.  After he came out, he spent the rest of the game in the dugout.  

I hope they break the rainy-game streak today.  Ugh.

The forecast is a hoax. We're just trying to lull the fish into a false sense of security......err, or something like that.

ive been suspicious of UDN for alil while now.  But im now beyond suspicion.  UDN is definitely Keith Law.

Oy veh.

Hope it's nothing serious with Doumit.

Monroe in the 4th hole , Why not ..Please rain stay away , Now that FLORIDA has hogged all the NATIONAL ATTENTION, To go out and beat them , We would lead off on highlights on all the major networks...Again I am giddy over Monroe in the 4 hole....

Anybody look at  THE ERA,OF TONIGHT'S MARLINS STARTING PITCHER ??? OVER 6, Should mean something huh??

             DMac, i know you and others dont share my take that Ryan should play another position than Catcher, before the berating starts i believe if injured he will have missed his 228th game to injury since 04 but i will have 2 check that.

              Bottom line he has been hurt a lot during his young career, catching takes a heck of a toll on your body.

              If he stays healthy we miss his much needed bat out of the lineup minimum 20 games.

              Though improved is he really that good a catcher? im not sold.

                Can someone enlighten me why it's that imperative that this guy has to catch?

I'll tell you one thing I want to know.....

If I am a negative nelly with a big ole negativity blanket, what is UDN?

;-)

Another injury--let us all hope it not serious.

AW CRAP!

NuHo - If I answer your question about UDN honestly, I will be scolded by DK or another moderator.

I choose to not be scolded.

Uh-oh.. I was wrong about Doumit.  Shoot!

It's definitely gray and rainy here, BAB.

Doumit is an amazingly valuable catcher because not many catchers can hit as good as he can.  Plus he's a switch hitter.  In another position though, he is just average offensively.  Maybe just slightly above average.  

Its kind of the same thing with Walker.  If he was still a catcher, he would still be a highly thought of prospect.  But as a corner infielder, his lack of offensive skills is apparent.  He has historically been well below average in all offensive categories for a corner fielder.

Daryl - I envision you drinking about 10 Red Bulls before posting your comments.  Every time i view your post, I read with with such energy.  I wish I had your vigor...

mac - Doumit's highest value to the team is at catcher.  The drop off from him to JJ is a wide gap.  Now, Doumit has played 1B and RF, but the guys there are not nearly the drop in production as in catcher.  We have a great commodity in Doumit so long as we can surround him with other talent and pitching.  

Of course, that could also mean that we could get great value for him in a trade - ha!  I'm not ready to think about that one just yet...

Macinthebox,

Well for one thing we don't have any other major league catchers in the system........

Hostage

From last thread--good question on how to get pitching.  Lincoln could still develop--takes at least a year back and sometimes more to get back to your norm from TJ surgery.

If Maholm keeps pitching like he has been they certainly must think about keeping him.

To get a top pitcher in trade you have to have riches somewhere--say CF.

I'm heading out to the game soon - a few errands along the way.  I can't tell you how much I wish my ticket were for tomorrow.  If this rain stops, it will be just before gametime.  UGH!

I am firmly entrenched in the camp that believes Doumit should remain a catcher, for better or worse.

Q -

talk "trade" and "Doumit" in the same sentence and I will be all over your posts like white on rice, and your grandchildren will smell funny.

Hostage

Very few teams have more than one quality major league catchers.  At least Jarmillo seems to have MLB defense.

POH,

I suppose I should be thankful that you can still comment about me with a civil tongue. Or fingers. Well, you know what I mean.

;-)

Re:Doumit Catching

Two words:

Jason Jaromillo

Just in case you may make this argument Robinson Diaz not much better than Jaramillo

mac...No berating -- sorry if it comes across that way.  I just think that he's earned his job as the starting catcher.  That's what he was drafted as and where he feels he belongs, though he's said he'll play anywhere they put him.

Now, this whole injury thing.  I echo PoH's sentiment.

He didn't come right out though...I know he had at least1 more at-bat, and I know it was him warming the pitcher up before Jaramillo came back out.  Okay, none of that means much...I'm trying to find positive aspects that would make this a minor injury.

<<I am firmly entrenched in the camp that believes Doumit should remain a catcher, for better or worse.>>

I agree.

(Pause to hear tear in lining of universe.)

Also, I believe that's what he wants, though he would stay on the field in any position as opposed to not playing, from his words, not mine.

POH - I don't want to see it happen, but was just throwing that out there.

My favorite player when I was 14 or 15 was Tony Pena as I played catcher through high school and legion ball.  It was a sad day when they traded him, but it worked out in the long run.  

Again, I'm not proposing that they trade him, but they don't have many chips to get real returns.  I'm also still peeved about the ARam trade that netted us Bobby 'Freakin' Hill, Jose Hernandez, and some guy named Bruback.  I'm not confident in any trade we make until one happens that actually helps our team.  The jury is still out on last year's trades...

Hostage

You get pitching through the draft, nobody is giving you a pitcher the caliber of Maholm unless you give them people you don't want to give up.

As I stated in an earlier post the 8 out of the top ten picks in this years draft are pitchers, we get one if we want on, the problem is the 2 that are not pitcher are top prospects.

The NO 1 pick is Strasberg 100-102 MPH fastball, he may fall to NO 4 because Boras is talking 50 mil for him or waiting out a year, now is you chance, what do you do if you are Neal?

Q - we're good then.

The only upside to me, as a Pirates fan, to trading Doumit is that he be traded to a team where he can experience playing in October. Because he deserves it.

PoH-"And your grand children will smell funny".I don't like the sound of that.My 1st question is;what will they smell like?

Next; is this the same loveable PoH that everyone says all the nice things about or is this Dirt using mind control?   ;-)

Dude!  Is the sky going to fall?  PoH and Hostage just agreed on something!  ;-)

Q

I'm not proposing that they trade him, but they don't have many chips to get real returns.

We do have chips to trade!

Try at least 5 blue chips in the minors and McClouth, Doumit, Maholm and Snell.

Trading anyone of them would bring you talent.

Our holes on this present team are depth at a couple of positions and a couple of pitchers, our holes in the system are catchers, Pitchers and right side infielders. We can't fix them all even with this years draft.

RE:Doumit Out

It seems pretty erry Doumit misses his first game this year due to injury the same day Ronny Paulino returns to PNC. NH should call the Orioles and see if they're willing to deal Matt Weiters.

A link to the weather

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Doumit has to remain at Catcher.

I would rather have Doumit at C for 130 games and Jaramillo at C for 30 games while Moss, Monroe, Hinske, etc play 162 in RF

rather than Doumit in RF for 150 games with Jaramillo and Diaz behind the plate for 162.

leadoff

I said that we don't have 'many' chips, not 'any' chips.  I would agree that McLouth and Maholm have value.  I would disagree on Snell at the moment.  He's pitched well the past two starts, but he didn't produce last year.  Nobody would give top tier talent for him at this moment.  Now, IF he continues to produce, that MAY change later in the year.  He's not at peak value at this moment.

JAL,

I just don't see the wisdom in moving Doumit to a position where he as a player is less valuable at and then turning the catching duties over to unproven minor leaguers.

IMO, we already have unproven question marks in LF, RF, and 3B.

The net result in moving Doumit to 1st is a downgrade offensively and defensively at 1st, and question marks at 4 positions (3B, RF, LF, and C) instead of 3 like today.

No way Strasburg falls to us.  San Diego wants him hard core to fall to two.  Local boy to market around.

                 Hostage, your point about not having anyone in place now is heard and it's truly viable one.

                 But god forbid Doumit is out 4 a while and Diaz comes up and tears it up, i believe it could happen, what do you do then?

Maz:

<<Next; is this the same loveable PoH that everyone says all the nice things about or is this Dirt using mind control?   ;-)>>

Now you know where I draw the line!

Does this make Young the emergency catcher or Hinske?

Macinthebox,

Keep Diaz as Doumit's backup and send Jaramillo back down.

Or god forbid, make Diaz the starter and trade Doumit for a front line hurler.

IMO Doumit is more valuable as a switch-hitting catcher with pop than as a hack of a 1B or RF with an average bat for those positions.

And POH, I don't have any kids for you to make smelly for suggesting that Doumit could be traded.

leadoff

Also, if our goal is to accumulate young talented prospects to provide the Bucs with a deeper talent pool, then we would not trade some of those prospects.  With that said, i didn't even consider our prospects as 'chips' for possible trades.  

JAL,

Maybe they deal McLouth for a couple of starters. - Like trading Todd Ritchie for Kip Wells, Josh Fogg, and Sean Lowe.

I'd have to think the most marketable players they have right now that could bring additional pitching include.....

McLouth and Doumit, because they are signed to affordable, arb lock-up multi-year contracts.

And Adam LaRoche, but to a lessor degree since he is a free agent next year. I don't think Jack would bring much. Probably not Freddy either.

Hostage

That kind of nonsense talk got me in trouble a moment ago - learn from my mistakes.

Maz...I know this takes away from our pitching depth, but I think I read where Karstens was drafted as a catcher.  

Q,

I'm already as deep into POH's dog house as Bob Nutting, Frank Coonelly, and Neal Huntington are in mine.

In other words, I'm so far into POH's dog house, I'm beyond saving.

;-)

DMac

That's true - it was the fan question yesterday at the game.  

Can you imagine the positivity when Bay meets PoH?

It's gonna be off the scale.They will have to make a new scale.Put those two in one room and you'll have to bring Dirt in to level it out to neutral. ;-)

Hostage

Nver suggested moving Doumit--just with him out at least Jarmillo has some defense.  Doumit is best at catcher.

DMac

That also doesn't mean that he'd be the emergency catcher though...

Hostage

Adam would bring something if a contender really needed a 1b--say a season ending injury to their 1b in midseason.  Other than that, i agree--why give good players for an upcoming FA

A-Ron

No way Strasburg falls to us.  San Diego wants him hard core to fall to two.  Local boy to market around.

Do the Padres have the money to buy him?

JAL,

OH, I see what you are saying. - Well if Doumit goes on the DL, it will hurt but at the same time it will give us a better chance to see what we have, or don't have, in Diaz and Jaramillo. - It that were to happen, I'd split the starts right down the middle.

But then again, Neal said the reason Jaramillo got the job over Diaz was because he asked good questions during spring training so who knows what crazy kind of criteria they would use to determine the appropriate course of action.

I'm out for now... will try and catch up during the game tonight, if there is a game.  If not, I'll be forced to watch Intervention with Mrs Q.  

My head is fried with stats, and I've been scolded by POH.  I think I need a stiff drink now...

JAL

just with him out at least Jarmillo has some defense.  Doumit is best at catcher.

Jarmillo has not looked good defensively at this level yet, and he doesn't hit very well, he doesn't know the pitchers very well either. I don't know if the Pirates have a veteran catcher they can bring up for a couple of games or not, but Doumit is a huge loss in this series, couple that with the fact we have 2 pitchers going that are our worst starting pitchers, doesn't look good.

If only there was someone on this blog who knew how to find out if anyone was a catcher in college or the minors.I SAID IF ONLY THERE WAS SOMEONE.....AHEM ...COUGH...AHHEEMM..iF ONLY THERE WAS SOMEONE YADA YADA YADA YADA..........  

                          I will let it go but i am not sold he shouldnt play another position, i realize that opinion and .75 cents will get you a doughnut but i will sit in the corner and keep my mouth shut.

I just want you all to know that I am deeply hurt and insulted with the cavalier way you have all just shoved me aside as the Blog's most wanted in favor of UDN.

I am not yesterdays news I tell you! My blanket of negativity will rise again. It will rise to new, unforseen heights.

You'll see.

I'll be risin' up, back on the street

I did my time and took my chances

I went the distance but now I'm back on my feet

Just a man and his will to be survive

So many times, it happens too fast

You change your passion for glory

Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past

You must fight just to keep them alive

It's the eye of the tiger, it's the cream of the fight

Risin' up to the challenge of UDN

And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night

And he's watchin' us all in the eye of the tiger

Q...I know. I was just saying...

Maz,

I was a catcher in high school and I might even be willing to put my differences with Bob Nutting and the front office aside if they call.

For the good of the team.

Srsly.

I got the idea Diaz was a good hitter and Jaramillo was good at defense.In one 3 game stretch in ST Jaramillo threw out 6 runners.Together they make one good catcher.Diaz is hitting .350 in 20 ABs at Indy w/1 error

Strasburg is not falling to 4. If he does, you take him in a heartbeat. And then you call Boras up and ask where you can back the money truck up to.  He is major league ready RIGHT NOW.  So you sign him for six years, sixty million dollars.  Framework:

$10 Million to sign.

Year 1: $2 Million

Year 2: $3 Million

Year 3: $6 Million

Year 4: $11 Million

Year 5: $13 Million

Year 6: $15 Million

He sells out EVERY start this year.  He is immediately slotted as the #2 behind Maholm this year, and probably your opening day starter after that.  Rotation becomes

Maholm + SS at the top

Duke/Snell as 3 and 4 starters (I like that A LOT better)

One spot for Ohlie/Karstens/DMc/Gorzo/Dumatrait/Barthmaier/Taubenheim/Herrera/Lincoln/Moskos/Singh/Patel/Morris (okay, hopefully some of these guys would supplant Duke/Snell after a while.)

THAT would look mighty fine.

(And, of course, you create buzz and enhance the hopefully growing perception that this is a team on the rise and willing to PAY for winning!)

Oh NuHo - you are a hoot. Just as I am about to scrape you from the sole of my left Pirates flip flop, you endear yourself to me.

We played that song my freshman year as the opening number in our HS band halftime show. Srsly.

And offering to be catcher... you have your good points.

I finally made someone quake! Q FELT reprimanded! Srsly.

Maybe they could bring Walker up.

Oh venerable Hostage Sir, to even think that Uncle come lately could take your place as our resident nabob of negativity is unthinkable. His negativity pales in comparison. You still da negaman

The problem with a Strasburg and having Boras as an agent you ALWAYS have the problem of him wanting to re nogotiate.Remember Manny being Manny.How devastating would it be to have your ace demand another 15-20 million?

Maz,

Walker hasn't caught a game since 2006.

Thank you Papacoach, it's good to know I am still appreciated by somebody around here.

However he might still be the best catcher in the minors.Look at what he did in 20 months at 3rd base,plus he might see action at 3rd with Andy's back.This is why Neil should the last person you should trade

macsinthebox wrote re:  Ryans position>>  I have been saying just that for almost a year now.  Sorry to POH and DMAC and anyone else, he takes too much of a beating.

Hello All -- Just back from the doctor and he informs me that I am healing quite nicely thank you and the problem is that patient is not patient enough.  At this point in the process I am *supposed* to be exhausted, so the prescription is take more pills and deal with.  I like a straightforward professional.

And this injury doesn't look like something Doumit won't get over, let's hope it's day-to-day.

NH -- << catching >> I think a man of your obvious elan could probably handle the heat -- it's those 85 mph curve balls and sliders I'm worried about.  Oh, and don't get into a negativity contest -- just be yourself and outlast him.  Every time he mentions the lineup point out how it's all the front office's fault.  Good strategy there, and don't say I don't have your best interests at heart.

Now which Ohlendorf is going to show up tonight?  It's early, but with Mr. Kerrigan's help I think we're going to be seeing the shiny versions of pitchers 2-4, and possibly 5, too on a more or less regular basis by the end of the season.

The forecast has gotten better.From what i can see it might/or not get a late start,but it looks better after an initial shower.Pray people pray.

 There seems to be fans of Ryan that want him playing 1b and it's a position he hasn't played in a couple years,so if he can play 1b why not Neil play C  which he played for 4 years at Pine Richland and 3 years in the minors?We all know he's a quick study.

@JHadar - thats great news

Re- Doumit

The lineup looks a bit cheesy without him, hope its not bad, remember the last time we lost a catcher, we traded Jose Guillen for two of them, neither did much

Week two results of Asyum Baseball

DK's Asylum League

1, Doumits Girl (oh, oh,)

2 Mighty McLouth - 3 GB

3. AirJordanSchafer - also 3 GB

4.  HammarHeads - 4 GB

Asylum League

1 HammarHeads (hey, both leagues...)

2 A Bug on a Rug - 4 GB

3 barnstormer - 4 GB

4 The Lurkers - 5 GB

Since its been a while and we're playing the fishes, time to fish

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Hey at least with the new jerseys, they spelled Pirates and Pittsburgh right, it could be worse....

If Doumit is out for an extended period of time, well to put it simply we are done.

Looking at radar...any rain that falls at PNC should be before gametime. Basically...if they start the game, they will get it in. Not much rain to the south or west of what's currently falling...and that should be out pretty quick. Otherwise, the closest rain is in extreme western Ohio.

@NuHo

Make that two that appreciates you, your comments bring some sanity back to this place, most of us get caught up too much in sugary things.

IMO, we are a long way still from champion caliber, no depth at all the positions, if Doumit is hurt, we are toast during that period

Also, sorry, as I know lightening will strike me from above for saying this, Doumit struggles behind the plate

Now as a DH??

ESPN might have to show us on Monday night baseball by default tonight.  The Yanks game was PPD as is the Phils game.  Its either our game or the Nats and since FLA has the best record, it might as well be our game.  That is if our game starts on time.

Anyone have any insight into what it looks like RIGHT NOW on the North Shore?  It is hot and sticky here...I'd gladly trade it for some of the rain you guys are getting back in the Burgh. We need to cool down here, and you guys need to play some ball!

Hello everybody...

So I was watching the Natural on TV last night and I noticed that the final game at the end is the NY Knights (with  symbol that looks like the Yankees) vs Pittsburgh Pirates and Roy Hobbs  (uniform #9) hits the home run to win the game.  Made me think perhaps the director was still upset about the 1960 world series and made the Yankees win...

Regardless, it made me think that they should make a movie about the 1960 WS.  Perfect hollywood ending with the perfect anticlimax when the Yankees come back before Maz wins it with the home run.  

If you were casting for this movie, what actors would you choose to play the players?  Jamie Foxx as Roberto?  Brad Pitt as Mickey Mantle?  Any thoughts on who could play Yogi?

on the night we fall to 30th in attendance, one of our core players is hurt.  season ticket plan anyone?

ESPN doesn't know the Pirates are in the majors.  If they actually DO show any Bucs coverage, please let me know as I will text home and have the DVR set.

Dang it man, Doumit stays hurt. I hope he doesn't become the next Chipper Jones. I hope this isn't that serious of an injury.

Fellas , Not that you care but Yesterday i said something was going to happen GOOD FOR THE CLUB since I put my avatar up , and now this news about DOUMIT, My bad ...WOW  ...Hope he is not seriously hurt..                                    

there's a reason I picked the Bucs to lose 100...and Doumit's injury is the first hint of it. This organization is not deep at all. NO TEAM goes through a season entirely healthy. Expecting none of your top players to be out for any significant time is unrealistic. I figure Ryan's in a good bit of pain if they've already Xrayed and MRI'd him. Since it's his throwing wrist...probably looking at a roster move in the next day or two if it is anything more than soreness.

Guess we will find out who is the emergency catcher REAL quick.

Bayarea,

I would set the DVR.  There isnt much of a schedule left for tonight so we have to be featured.   We are one of two games at 7pm.  One game at 8pm and another at 940pm so like I said by default, we'll be on some if the game is played.  I cant imagine the weather in DC is much better if Philly and NY cancelled.  Sunday night baseball was rained out last night so doubt they want to use another night of 3 hour filler.

BAB...It's raining in Bellevue...and I'm about a couple miles north of PNC.  It's not pouring, but it's been raining fairly steadily most of the day.

BAB

A couple weeks ago I posted an article of how risky is is to take a pitcher early in the draft.

daryle

Not your avatar, the gray men are the hex :)  Something happens every time we several gray men posting.  All they have to do is click on my name and add an avatar.  Gurantee, that would mean Doumits injurty will keep him only two games :)

It ain't over till the MRI guys.

I'm the fat lady here. I'll let you know when I'm about to sing. Srsly.

bucsfan

Been raining here in DC all day but much lighter now

Another thing, did I miss something, When did RYAN get hurt, and for all those that suggested he move from behind the plate, I am all for it, I mean are pantry is not loaded to the point that we run one of our best players in the ground..

AGAIN, does anybody know when he got hurt or how ....Did every ATLANTA BRAVE player get a hit, sure seemed like it...GO BUCCS

DEJAN I have to ask this, I tried to ask you a question in today's chat and I guess I was to late, I hope thats why..Anyway I have to ask this, I saw LANNY ask a question, do remember I am in the BAY AREA, Was that Lanny our retired beloved announce who would say and I quote , BALL GET DOWN, GET DOWN....???any and everybody feel free to chime in if you know ..Thanks

Good Evening Daryle, JAL, Plenty, DMac, Buscfancents, Thunder, Wareg, Bab, MSB, Bizzy, Marty, Maz, JHadar, JJ, Hoss, macs, leadoff, Q, A-ron, FirstTimer, Capn and afail ...

Let the game begin ... Might be a good win in the soup!

Gameday says "delayed rain".  Estimates?

JAL

I know the perils of drafting pitchers. SS is a paradigm-changer though.  I'd give him what he wants.  It would absolutely set the Pirates up in the eyes of the fans, the media, and even agents around baseball, as a team serious about WINNING baseball games. And winning them NOW.  You'll note I backload the deal...obviously that would lead to us trading him if things didn't come together in the first few years.  I just think it is a no-brainer.  If it fails, at least you swung for the fences.

Wb Baywatch.. I hope you enjoyed my minor-league summary.  

Daryl- Pedro was AWESOME yesterday.  There are 3 types of fans that go to see the Blue Rocks..  a) fans who go to a game and like the Blue Rocks b) fans who like the Royals and want to watch their future (note Wilmington changed to a Red Sox farm team for a few years, but the Red Sox wouldn't leave players in Wilmington for too long and they stunk)  c) fans of the other team and their parent club.

I counted about 20 pirate caps that came out to see Pedro and I saw two KC royal caps for Moustakas (their Pedro).  Plus, the asylum scared the beejesus out of the Wilmington Mascot when he tried to put the wamma jamma on Jordy Mercer and Pedro.

BAC,

I would, just for the heck of it, draft San Diego state's number two pitcher.  

Who would everyone rather have, Rich Porcello from the Tigers or Steve Stratsberg?

Bay-Let's double up on these guys.Gut the fish

Maz- you should change your avatar to Dave Parker.   Wille is bay's trademark.

Bay and I are the Wonder Twins

It shouldn't be too long, JH...Tarp is off the field and the players are nearly ready to go.

Peachy...Maz is trying to confuse us now.  ;-)

Strasburg, by a mile, over Porcello.

maz

Can you at least flip the picture, so its a mirror image? That way there'd be SOME distinguishing you two.

They're taking the field as we type!

Leading off the game with a single, Emilio Bonifacio busts out of his 1-20 string. I don't like to see guys getting well off of us...

Some questions and thoughts:

I'm surprised they didn't cancel tonight due to wet grounds. Did I miss a roster move this weekend? Is Young here from LA? If yes, who was moved out? Lacking anyone better to catch, I'd like to see ryan stay there, if you are going to change his position, does the name Bigio ring a bell? And there is a new stat in the box scores RISP. I assume this is for runners in scoring position? If yes, what is a good ratio for this stat. I've yet to see any over 50%

First batter singles up the middle.

2nd batter hits a hopper over Ohlie's head, Jack comes in and misses the bounce, all hands safe. Jack gets an error for that.  2 on, none out.

3rd batter hits a slow roller to 3rd.  Andy tags the lead-off runner for 1 out.  Still 2 on, 1 down.

Next batter chops a 2-0 pitch that Ohlie fields, throwing to Adam for the 2nd out.  Runners at 2nd and 3rd.

Uggla hits hits one to left, but right at Nyjer for the final out.

No score, Pirates coming to bat.

RadioWave...Young came in on Friday and Luis Cruz was optioned to Indianapolis.

Cruz got sent down

16 pitches for ohlie

Thanks for the PBP DMacaroon

Why did Ohlie only get one on the comebacker? Too slowly hit?

Nyjer walks.  UDN nods his approval.

Great job on the hitter by hitter updates. Much appreciated.

Why take the bat out of Freddy's hand there with a sac bunt? Dumb

I agree with any forthcoming criticism of the sacrifice attempt there for the following reasons:

1) Freddy is leading the league in doubles -- a feat he has accomplished over a full season in the past.

2) He's not that great a bunter.

3) He made an out on the first strike thrown by the Marlins' pitcher on the game. After five straight balls. That is an AUTOMATIC take situation.

This game is being shown on ESPN right now because the Yanks game was PPD.

Nyjer leads off with a walk, then promptly steals 2nd.  No throw was made.

(Nice avi, Maz!  ;-)  )

*sigh* Then Freddy botches a bunt attempt by popping it up.  The pitcher fields it. Nyjer stays at 2nd, 2 away.

Nate coming to the plate.

Nate singles up the middle and Nyjer scores!  

WOOHOO!  1-0 Bucs!

Wild Pitch moves Nate to 2nd.

He he he...Nate steals 3rd.  

Monroe hits a grounder to the right side, but it's not deep enough to score Nate.  2 away.

Crap.  Adam grounds one to 2B to retire the side.  

1-0 Bucs, heading to the 2nd.

BAB...yeah, it was too slowly hit to get anyone else.

I have no clue why Freddie was bunting...that was dumb.  He's a contact hitter...a grounder would have gotten Nyjer over.

Needed a SF from Monroe

Dayrle

Ryan got hurt taking a swing yesterday in the game

Nice way to start the inning...3 pitch strikeout of Hermida.  Sweet.

What's PoH's saying?  "We have Ohlendorf?"  2nd batter, Ross, goes down on 3 straight as well.   2 away.

Maybin breaks the trend by flying out to Nyjer in Left center to retire the side.

Nice inning, Ohlie!  

Ollie's pitches have a LOT of movement

THE PIRATES ARE CURRENTLY ON NATIONAL T.V.!!!!

I have to agree that the sac bunt attempt made very little sense.  Popping it up made it worse.  If it had worked that would have been OK, but at least Nyjer had the sense to stay close to the base and didn't get doubled off.  His base running is improving perhaps.

Andy opens the inning with a strikeout...but he did get it to a full count...and wasn't very fond of the call.  1 away

(they're saying that Andy took extra BP in the cages AFTER the game yesterday)

Jack hits a chopper to 2nd for the 2nd out.

Nice!  Jaramillo gets a single just under the glove of Ramirez at SS.  1 on, 2 away.

Ohlie hits one back up the middle, but it's fielded by Ramirez who tags Jaramillo out as he heads to 2nd for the final out.

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Yes,  Espn has been showing a lkot of the Pirate game because their main game got canceled.

Miller opens the top of the 3rd with a grounder to SS.  Jack to Adam, 1 away.

NICE PLAY, ANDY!  Bonifacio bunted towards 3B.   Andy fields it by the mound, bare-hands it and throws on to Adam for the 2nd out.  SWEET!

Baker hits a grounder to SS.  Jack to Adam to retire the side.

Another very nice 1-2-3 inning for Ohlie!

1-0 Bucs.

Ollie is just the opposite of Duke.His pitches are moving baby.

33pitches in 3 innings

Nyjer leads of the bottom of the 3rd. He hits a hot-shot to 3rd, but Bonifacio makes a strong throw, beating Nyjer by a half-step.  1 away.

(Quick note...the LaRoche brothers are batting back-to-back in the lineup.  First time that's happened, at least for the Pirates, since the Waner brothers.)

Freddy drops a single to right field.  They try to throw him out.  The throw was offline, but didn't get away far enough for Freddy to advance to 2nd.  

He's at 1st, with 1 away.

Nate hits a grounder to SS.  They get Freddy out, but Nate is safe at 1st on a Fielder's Choice.  2 away.

Monroe steps in.  He hits one in the hole at short, but again Ramirez makes a great throw to JUST get Monroe at first.  Monroe's not happy, but I think it was a good call.  

Side retired.  

have to see more replays but Monroe looked like he beat the throw.

33 in 3 is good--that would be 99 in 9

DMac

The LaRoches may be the first brothers to bat back-to-back for the Pirates since Big Poison and Little Poison, but this is not the first time it has happened. I know it was the case on the Opening Day lineup this year, for one.

What a gun!

his game would be a big win for us for the season.  Even bigger shown on national television.  We need a solid 7 innigs out of Ohlie.  We need to get some clutch hitting and score a few more runs.  I don't see the one run being enough.  Then again sounds like hes really pitching good.  Still at work so can't wait to get home and catch the end of the game.  We win today we can hope for a good game from Karstens if not we have maholm in the series ending game.  Always good to win the first game of a series.  The marlins have been a big come from behind team all year so lets hope we continue getting the pitching and score more runs.

Ramirez leads off for the Fish.  And he lines a single to left.  

Cantu skies one to Monroe in RF for the first out.  Runner holds at 1st.  

SWEET!  Ramirez takes off on a 2-1 count.  Jaramillo guns him down for the 2nd out.  And the count is 2-2 on the hitter.

And Ohlie strikes out Uggla for the 3rd out!  

That's 3 K's for Ohlendorf!

DMac - The laroche bros were batting back to back earlier in the season too.

Monroe left guys on both times

Hanley, you don't steal on Jaramillo. That should have been clear by now.

Daryl- you watching the game?

46 pitches in 4

I saw him throw two guys out in a spring game I was very impressed with his arm.  He does have a gun.

Of course this would happen on a Monday night, when Mrs. BAB isn't home either.  So our perfectly good ESPN HD broadcast is being wasted. I demand they replay the game starting at 7pm PST!

Jack Wilson just stole third.  Is it just me, or do the Pirates not respect John Baker's arm?

Jarmillo is very hard to run on.  With his arm maybe they see about turning him into a pitcher.

BAB...I was only repeating what I heard on the TV broadcast.  And I don't think I said it was the first time this season...I get it sounded that way.  Sorry.

Adam leads off the inning with a double to right!

Andy skies one to right for an out, but Adam is able to tag off and go to 3rd.  ( I was holding my breath though, since Speedy Gonzalez, Adam is NOT.)

1 out, runner on 3rd.

Jack walks, so we have runners at the corners for Jaramillo.

Visit to the mound from the pitching coach.

Wild Pitch...ball gets far enough away for Adam to score!  Jack moves to 2nd.  Yay!  2-0 Pirates!

Next pitch is low and Jack takes off from 2nd...and is SAFE at 3rd with a stolen base!  Go Jack Flash!  

Still only 1 away.

Jaramillo sends the 3-1 pitch sharply, but right to Bonifacio who throws on to first for the out.  2 away.

Ohlie grounds out to SS for the last out.

But we do get another run. 2-0 Pirates, heading the 5th.

Left another on 3 rd

BAB

They only had the Bucs on because it was the only game going.  They have switched to the Reds game.

Has the crowd gotten any better? Surely it has, but I bet a lot of people thought it would be canceled because of the rain.

Not sure why I didn't already know this, but Ohlie's given name: Curtis Ross Ohlendorf.  I don't much care for the name Ross, but if the alternative was to have a pitcher named "Curt" I will absolutely take it.  Also, he's a Princeton Tiger. That can only help him, right?  Backdoor offense, patience, good defense....wait, wrong sport ;-)

Better keep the Roadrunner.Bucs are running tonight

Hermida leads off the top of the 5th and he hits one deep to center, but not deep enough...Nate is able to get a bead on it and catches it with a foot on the warning track.  1 away.

Ross hits a roller to 3rd.  Andy to Adam for the 2nd out.

Maybin steps in with 2 away.  And he strikes out to retire the side.  Nice!  4th K for Ohlie!

Let's get this man some runs! He is pitching a gem, and this is definitely not a depleted lineup! I've got a feeling they are going to hit him the third time around so we need to get some more runs! Come on offense!

war

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Dmac

Even Gammons had nice things to say about Ohllie

ESPN back to Pirate's game.  

We should be hitting Miller more, he has been struggling early...

Nyjer bunts one back to the pitcher for the first out.

Freddy grounds to SS for the 2nd out.

Nate draws a 2-out walk.

(The crowd is sparse, but it's not raining there right now.  A lot of folks may be under the overhangs too.)

Monroe steps in.  And he walks.  2 on, 2 out.

Pitching coach visits the mound.

Adam's up and he goes to a 3-1, then 3-2 count.  And he its a single to left center!  Both Nate and Monroe score!

WOOHOO!  2 RBI's for Adam! 4-0 Bucs!

And there is a break in the action...Pitching change.

LaRoches rule!!!

Nice at bat by Adam--went with the pitch --

Bucs off to good start in this game.  Ohlie looking much better than last outing.  Again, pitching will be the key for the Bucs.  

While it's nice to have the Bucs on national TV... how many people are going to see this and say, "Look at those stand - Pittsburgh isn't a baseball town".  There looks to be about 1,500 people there tonight on this dreary day in the Northeast.  

Anyone wanna complain bout the La bros?

Double switch for the Marlins.

Amezaga is in Center and is batting 9th. Now pitching, Logan Kensing and batting in the 8th spot.

Andy's at the plate.  

HOLEY MOLEY!  Adam takes off on an 0-2 count and Andy strokes a single through the hole in short!   Runners on the corners, 2 away.

Jack pops one up on the infield an dit looks like he hit that finger wrong.  Side retired.

But the Roche-Coach is rocking tonight!

4-0 Pirates, heading to the 6th.

@DK - "And, man alive, there might not be 200 people in the seats for the first pitch."

That may well be, DK, but I GAR-OHN-TEE at least half of 'em are PG bloggers!

"Meesta Avril" comes through again!

Anybody having issues with the mlb.tv broadcast tonight? My main, phone-wired DSL computer is a full 1/2 inning behind, but Mrs. Bay's having no problem in the living room with her wireless laptop ... we be watchin' in there tonight.

I'd say there arent even 1500 fans there, which is really sad because i've found this team exciting so far this yr. Its sad that just a little bit of rain scared everyone away

I want to thank Hostage as a certain tune from Survivor is now constantly playing in my head.  Also have a strong desire to rent Rocky III...

Andy's BA is about the same as Monroe

Announcers on Pirates radio are just giddy.  Theywonder howthe M's could win all these games with such poor fundamentals like missing the cutoff man on Adam's hit. My question is, Is Monroe that fast? Scoring from first?  

Amezaga leads off the 6th for the Fish.  And he strikes out, after getting ahead 2-0 in the count.  1 away.

Bonifacio sends a 1-1 pitch to RF...and Monroe barely moves to make the catch.  2 away.

Baker grounds one to 3rd and Andy makes another good play to throw retire the side.

Fish...Nada.  Pirates...4.  

Andy with the glove.Daryle you watchin?

DMac

When you handle PBP, good things happen.

Let Baystrodamis handle the predictions and you handle PBP.

The big O looks awesome so far.

Dmac and others - I am really enjoying these running commentaries on the game - beats espn webite, etc hands down. Being in Texas, this is the best possible substitute for not being there or hearing the Pirates' broadcast - in fact, this may be better than the broadcast even if I could get it!

Unlike other years, I have this strange feeling that the Pirates actually have a credible shot at winning any game, no matter who they play. This team may not be of championship caliber, but it is certainly respectable.

Q,

My pleasure.

www.youtube.com/watch

C'mon Freddy. Drive 'em in!

Nice thing is Ohlie is doing this against a good hitting team.  

Radio--M's have won all those games because they played the nationals 6 times.  That is one win ten losses Nationals.

IMO, Ohlie or Ollie, has shown something tonight, but IMO, not to rain on the parade, there are probably more vendors than peoples butts in the seats, and the longer we don't hear abot Doumit and the wrist MRI, well, IMO its not good

We should be over 500 after this game, tomorrow is another chance to get 2 over, its a start

Radio

Monroe not that fast but is was 3-2 pitch with 2 outs so he off and running on the pitch.

Nate goes long now 8-0 Pirates in 6th

BANG!!! McLouth 3-run dinger!!!

my god, that was beautiful!!!!!

DMac, sorry, but theres a drive, to deep right field, way back she goes, and you can Kiss It Goodbye....

There are 5 people in the right fileld seats, srsyl

Biz

Probably won't hear about Ryan until after the game

Hostage

Thanks for the link... liking you more and more each day.  I'm about to ask Mrs. Q to drop a medicine ball on my stomach as I do some sit-ups.  Wait - I better put down my beer first!

Gimme that filet o fish!!!!!

75 pitches after 6

the 6th so far

Jarmillo singled, Ohlie sacrificed, Morgan singled, Jarmillo scored on balk, just for UDN Sanchez walked, nate 3 run homer, Monroe infield single, adam walked, andy DP

Jaramillo leads off the bottom of the 6th with a single to right.  

Ohlie comes to the plate and squares to bunt.  Very nice sacrifice!  Jaramillo to 2nd, 1 away.

(Thanks, Demery...l've spent 2 games in the rain already and they lost both...I do better at home, I think  I hope Capn is warm and dry though.)

Nyjer ropes a single to right and Jaramillo moves to 3rd.  Runners at the corners for Freddy.

Sweet!  They call a balk on Kensing and both runners advance!  Jaramillo scores and Nyjer moves to 2nd.

5-0 Pirates, 1 away.

Then there's another wild pitch and Nyjer moves to 3rd.  

The next pitch almost gets by the catcher...he really had to reach to grab that one. 3-0 count on Freddy.

And they walk Freddy, to put runners at the corners for Nate.

And KISS IT GOODBYE!  Nate sends the first pitch into the seats!  3-run-bomb!  

It goes to the left of the Clemente seats, bounces on the Riverwalk and into the Allegheny.

8-0 Pirates!

Monroe steps in with the bases cleared and only 1 out.  He hits a grounder that goes behind 2nd.  Uggla fields it but momentum carries him away from 1B and Monroe is safe at 1st.

Adam is up....and they walk him!

Andy comes up and isn't very patient this time...he wants in on the act, but grounds to 3rd for a DP.  

Side retired, but WOW!

8-0 Pirates!

Pirates 8 Marlins a big fat zero with the edges trimmed off! That's what happens when you bring a team into town, working on a $35 million budget!

Maz, I howled the other day when you compared them to "trailer trash!"

Atta Natey

Nate ball is officially a river ball, though not on the fly

bonus is that its on ESPN cuz the yanks were rained out. the world has been alerted!

Don't walk anyone when you have a 8-0 lead. ugh

@JAL - regarding Doumit

You might be right, but from my take on things, good news gets out early, probably a stupid question, but might this be Ohlies first MLB win?

Looks like we have an early answer to one question of the off season--Nate can at least repeat his hitting stats from last season

great glove work by Andy to start a DP