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Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo

By Dejan Kovacevic | 8 a.m. Thursday

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We have Qs, and in an atypically feisty mood for this time of year ...

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Q: Dejan, love your stuff and hope your back is better!

Not surprised by the Gorzo demotion, and I don't think it is that big a deal ... yet. Consider:

1. With April/Early May weather, the No. 5 starter is often skipped.

2. If the goal is to get him consistent work, they could put him at the top of the rotation at Indy, and he will get better work on what he needs to improve on.

Does my logic pass the sniff test?

Tim Bode of Louisville, Ky.

KOVACEVIC: In a normal year, it might, Tim, but the Pirates have only two days off in the first six weeks of the season, the first one not coming until April 14, the day after the home opener. The No. 5 starter, whoever it is, will get his work.

Bottom line with Gorzelanny, in addition to all that was spoken yesterday, is that the Pirates were plenty upset with his mechanics. There were hints thrown to this effect after most of his outings, and those hints sounded far different than some of the assessments (excuses?) made when, say, Ross Ohlendorf or someone else was hit hard, when they would talk about how he worked on a specific pitch or such-and-such.

Clearly, Gorzelanny was in good shape.

Just as clearly, that was not enough.

As for the rotation, is there really any suspense left now? I know the Pirates have taken this sudden interest in Virgil Vasquez, but that might be more a competition-creator than anything else.

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Q: In following the Pirates via your Q&As, the blog and articles in the PG, I notice very little (if anything) written about Jack Wilson and his status. Do you get the sense that Jack is disappointed in being back in a Pirates uniform?

At the end of last season, it seems he felt that he was destined to be somewhere else this spring.

Bill Chapman of Greensburg

KOVACEVIC: Honestly, Bill, I wrote so much about Wilson in the offseason after his headline-grabbing pronouncement that the Pirates' management needed to get "more players" back in December that it might have been overkill to keep pounding it.

Yes, he is happy. He says so almost daily, and that customary smile and enthusiasm is very much in place.

Oh, and one other thing: Yes, Wilson did think he would be playing elsewhere. So did many people, including, I might add, the Pirates' front office that now seems to making suggestions that the whole Wilson-is-going-to-be-traded thing was either a) a media concoction or b) something that other teams pursued but not the Pirates. I have ample information from outside the Pirates organization that neither is the case. The Pirates shopped Wilson, and they did so very aggressively. They obviously were not going to give him away, or that deal with the Dodgers surely could have been completed. But the notion that the Pirates were passive bystanders during this process, by many accounts, is incorrect.

Just thought I would share.

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Q: With the Pirates-Yankees game on FSN on Monday night, why did the Bucs decide to cut Pedro Alvarez that afternoon? Why not let the home fans get a chance to see the "franchise savior" in action for ourselves, give us something to look forward to?

Same old Pirates.

John Lyons of Elizabeth

KOVACEVIC: Really, John? Some might say that the same old Pirates would have been more concerned about public perception than whatever they deemed the best baseball decision, but I suppose that argument always can go either way. At any rate, much angry mail about this.

Was it conspicuous?

Sure. I had anticipated Alvarez and the other top prospects, such as Jose Tabata, would all go down together. But it is worth noting that Tabata, Shelby Ford and all those others have played actual professional baseball, while Alvarez's next paid at-bat in a real game will be his first.

Also -- and I recklessly throw this out just for the conspiracy theorists among you -- remember that the Pirates last year pointedly and purposefully did not have a news conference for Alvarez upon his signing. Nor did they assign him to one of the two elite-prospect winter leagues, in each case doing so to send a message about his waiting so long to put pen to paper. Not sure if keeping the kid off a Monday night local spring telecast would rival either of those, but patterns are patterns.

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Q: Dejan, I fully realize the baseball people make their decisions independently of the marketing people. In almost every case, that is how it should be. However, I think the PBC erred in sending Pedro Alvarez to minor league camp hours before their first locally-televised spring training game. No draft pick has generated such buzz in years, and I think a lot of casual fans may have tuned in to see the guy. If he hits another 440 foot clout, maybe they sell another couple hundred tickets. And I'm sure that one more day in the major league camp would not have had any negative impact on Pedro's development.

Mike Anitori of White Oak

KOVACEVIC: I get it, Mike, and I do not intend to make light of the sentiment. Maybe one other thing I can add here is that, when one is in Bradenton - never mind being as immersed in things as the baseball people are - Pittsburgh can seem a long way away.

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Q: Where do you think that Craig Monroe fits into the Pirates' plans?

Carla McConnell, Toledo, OH

KOVACEVIC: Truly, Carla, I could see him starting the year in right field. And Eric Hinske in left.

Probably not the answer you were expecting, but Brandon Moss has an injury to a very key area in the right thumb, and his chance of returning seems no better than 50-50. Moreover, Nyjer Morgan is doing very, very little of what the Pirates want to see from him to this point in the spring and, being that there is a widespread view that he is mostly a place-holder for Andrew McCutchen under the best of circumstances, there probably would be no hesitation in replacing him with a veteran like Hinske.

As I wrote a couple weeks ago -- and it seemed to get misinterpreted by some -- Morgan has to earn his way onto the team by being legitimate.

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Q: Adam LaRoche is famous for his poor performance early in the season, and he's given no indication that is about to change this year. So, why isn't he playing every spring training game and hitting third to maximize his plate appearances?

I understand, he probably takes extra cuts in the cage, but there is nothing like facing live pitching. Is management worried about him getting hurt? That could happen anyhow. Even if he plays DH for 75 percent of the games, I would think you would want to get him as comfortable at the plate as possible, before the games start to count.

Andrew Pock of Havertown, Pa.

KOVACEVIC: Some numbers for you, Andrew ...

Last year, LaRoche took 55 at-bats, sixth-most on the team, plus a few extra hacks at Pirate City against minor leaguers. He batted .327, and many saw this as the sign that he finally would get off to a good April. It did not happen.

This spring, LaRoche's 38 at-bats are fourth most on the team, and he is batting .237 with a strikeout every third at-bat. There have been some good indications of a better approach, but they have been sparse.

What to make of that?

Get back to me in the third week of May.

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Q: Dejan, I seem to remember last spring you accurately identified Paul Maholm as looking sharp and poised to take a step forward in 2008. As it turned out he was the only stable starter last year. Now that we are around a month in to spring, have any of the starter candidates caught your attention much like Maholm did last year?

Jason Unger of Hopewell

KOVACEVIC: You remember correctly that our paper made a very big splash of Maholm's work in spring training, Jason, but there is no one like that just yet this time.

Yes, Zach Duke has done very well, in particular with the zip on his fastball and the movement of the other stuff. And yes, he was mostly good down the stretch last year. But we have seen this in previous spans, and I do not hear anyone talking about him the way they did about Maholm last year.

Ross Ohlendorf has really good numbers, too, but, the few times I have seen him this spring have been alternately terrific and puzzling. He looks dominant one batter, and the next lines the first pitch into center. The explanation from him and John Russell, each time, has been that he was working on a specific pitch and it was that specific pitch that got hit hard. There is more to see.

No one else has approached these two, other than Maholm, obviously.

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Q: Hi, Dejan. As a Pirates fan who doesn't live in Pittsburgh anymore, I just wanted to say thanks for all the good coverage of spring training. Most of what I know comes from your efforts.

Do the Pirates still owe any money to Matt Morris?

Jason Schloetzer of Washington, D.C.

KOVACEVIC: Technically, yes, Jason, the $1 million buyout of Morris' 2009 club option goes onto this year's payroll, as per Major League Baseball's accounting methods. I am using that figure, plus other odds and ends, when I compute -- on my own - the team's actual payroll.

As I have written previously, too many people simply add up the full-year salaries of the 25 guys who play on opening day and refer to that all year as the payroll. Much more to it than that.

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Q: What impact, if any, has the hiring of former Baseball Prospectus writer Dan Fox had on the team's front-office dealings and roster management?

Justin Miller of Ellwood City

KOVACEVIC: Very rarely do I hear about a player move - or potential player move - without hearing Fox's name in the mix, Justin. He and his statistical analysis are used by everyone from Neal Huntington to Greg Smith to Kyle Stark to ... well, everyone, and in all kinds of applications.

A bit more on that in a couple weeks.


Posted Mar 19 2009, 08:00 AM by Dejan Kovacevic

Comments

JosePagan wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 8:59 AM

Re-posted from the Unhappy with Gorzo" thread:

Good morning all.

With the paucity of established talent among the starters for the PBC, it almost defies belief that Gorzo would not have come in and put the "Ohlendorf Stranglehold" on one of the starting four positions.

For as much criticism as was leveled at PA for being overweight (Spanky Lavalliere, anyone?) and how he should have known this or owed the club and the fans that, I am astonished that Gorzo seems to be getting a bit of a pass here.

He arrived at camp in better shape than last year, but apparently that was not even where he was supposed to be. His mechanics are bad/inconsistent. According to Perrotto, he acts like a snot.

This is a guy who, the more I read, the more I think should have been sent to the minor league camp sooner.

I know this sounds harsh, but he showed real promise in 2007 and had an opportunity to establish himself as a bona-fide top 3 or 4 starter, one you would want on any team. Yet, he seems to not get it.

Talk about being disappointed in a player's lack of the right "attitude."

Jose

JosePagan wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 9:13 AM

Correction - the re-post was from "Morning Links." Operator error on the typing bit...

Jose

jersey joe wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 9:17 AM

Jose, thats a picnic  problem in chair not in computer

Arriba Wilver wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 9:31 AM

JP--I have to agree with you about Gorzo and not getting it.  Until he got sent down, I really wasn't aware of some of the things that have been said about his mechanics and inconsistent delivery--just saw the results.  We talk a lot about Snell being a head case - - sounds like Gorzo's got his own problems in that area.  Missed what Perrotto said--where is that?

Baywatch wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 10:06 AM

@DK - "There have been some good indications of a better approach (by Adam LaRoche), but they have been sparse. What to make of that? Get back to me in the third week of May."

LOVE your use of dry humor, DK! I know, I know, you weren't trying to be funny ... still, you crack me up sometimes!

JosePagan wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 10:07 AM

@ Arriba: It was a link from his blog - I believe it was posted yesterday in one of the threads - I can't remember which one though!

Maybe someone can help us out on this one...

Jose

JosePagan wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 10:09 AM

Getting back to Gorzo, opportunities abound on this team. Doing well on a team deemed to be not-so-good can make one a very marketable commodity - particularly a pitcher.

He could well be blowing a chance to put himself in the position of making an obscene amount of money in the not-too-distant future.

Jose

madturk2008 wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 10:12 AM

Not sure what the beef is that you have for Gonzo versus Pa or whoever else.

But let me take a stab at it.

PA had the signing issue and Boras as an agent. He used scripted lines from Boras when speaking early on after the signing. He was not in shape when he signed nor when he showed up. A lot more was expected from him being the pick he was and the expectations leveled by Boras’s showboating.  

Concerning Spanky – that’s history and not about today’s game.  Plus he performed as was expected of him nor did he have the hype that PA did.

Pitching is a key for us today.  We need better pitching all around to improve this year. That and Gorzo being in better shape than last year was an indication that he wanted to improve.  He was not so overweight that it was an issue about his performance at the time.  His “snot” attitude was not brought to light or known about until very recently or published enough that we all knew about it. He had a past history that showed he could help this club going forward. If you go back in the logs you will find some that bashed him about the double chin and his looks of baby fat.

20 20 is nice when you want to bash someone.  Maybe we need to look at what is happening now and open our eyes to it. Not wait and make a change on the unknown and blame everything on the past couple of years.  Maybe because of our need or want of pitching we have overlooked things about him. Maybe those things were not reported on enough for us to see the real him as well.

The WOW that some posted the other day was because of the need for pitching and him showing that he can do it in the majors not because he was loved or a fine person.  I am sure when things like this come to light you will see the change in peoples attitude about him and question everything he did or not or does do or not do going forward.

jmho though

Bizrow wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 10:16 AM

Gorzo - re - mechanice

So, the way I read this, Gorzo is not following their direction/instructions on altering his mechanics?

I always thought mechanics were some nebulous thing that comes and goes, but I guess they are saying Gorzo is not listening to them?

I still think he just might be in the doghouse and all of that.

Too bad, as Jose said, he could be blowing big bucks in the future,

DMac wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 10:20 AM

You'd think Gorz, more than any of them, would realize the need to come out guns blazing, after being demoted to Indy last year. He's got a lot to prove...and I'm a big Gorz fan.

irate fan wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 10:23 AM

I remember reading something earlier this month and I can't remember if it was the PG or the Trib, but, the Pirates are building a system and they are  doing it a certain way. If a player or coach does not buy into that system, they will be gone. I wonder if Gorzo is not buying into that system.

JosePagan wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 10:27 AM

@ MT: I realize, of course, that hindsight is always 20-20 (see Marriage, First). That said, for me it is a question of fairness insofar as how folks react to what has come out about Gorzo (note: I said the more I read about him, etc) vs how they reacted and continue to react to PA.

Alvarez is just a kid. By all accounts, Boras is a rather strong personality (otherwise he wouldn't be very good at being an agent, would he?) and to me the anger was misplaced. I think Boras had way too much influence on the kid and if anyone is responsible for the lack of readiness on PA's part, it is Boras. An impressionable kid meets Type-A hard-charger, kid loses.

Gorzo has been in the game way too long to be unaware of what it takes to be successful or unaware of what the PBC wants or needs.

As far as Spanky goes, he was not that far in the past and one could ask the question: "How much better would he have been as a player had he been in shape?"

I think the answer here is: "A lot."

Respectfully,

Jose

Thundercrack wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 10:34 AM

I saw Pedro a couple of times while I was at Spring Training -and to this untrained fan's eye he doesn't look like a guy who is overweight or out of shape.  During one at bat I saw he hit a slow roller to the left side of the infield and he really hustled down the line.   When you look at guys like Spanky L, Paulino, or even Big Papi you do say 'yea, that guy should lose some weight'.   I don't think it is that obvious with Pedro.    And I think the FO is right for getting on him now about watching his weight. As anyone that went away to college knows that it is really easy to put on weight during the ages 18-23...if you are not careful.

JAL wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 10:42 AM

Where are are the ants going to be today?  Usually the Q&A thread is only for a few comments on the Q & A so are the ants staying here or going back to the morning links?

JosePagan wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 10:57 AM

@ JAL - well, I got confused when an "ants marching" was posted on the Morning Links to move to Q & A...

Jose

juan pizarro wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 11:16 AM

here's the link to yesterday's Perrotto story on Gorzo:

www.piratesreport.com/.../It-should-be-interesting-in-Indy.html

JAL wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 11:16 AM

Then ants march back to the morning thread==========================

JosePagan wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 11:22 AM

A case of "Premature Locomotion."

Thanks, JAL!

NuttingHostage wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 12:47 PM

I don't disagree Gorzy needs to improve his performance, but I would not give too much credence to Perotto's coverage either.

The guy gave up being a baseball writer for a job in public relations when he accepted a job as Pirate beat writer for Ogden publications.

I understand his previous employer (Beaver County Times) is dying a slow death and Perotto probably felt he needed a more stable situation, but since going to work directly for the Nutting family his coverage lacks any semblence of the objectivity he used to possess in his coverage. Everything now is pro-Club & Front Office. Sure, they've made some improvements but at the end of the day they haven't shown a single bit of improvement in the regular season standings since they've arrived. In reading Perotto these days you would think this club is a perennial contender.

JosePagan wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 1:11 PM

@ NH: The piece referred to is not part of his beat with whichever Nutting newspaper he is with. There is a link in the "Morning Links" thread to it.

You have noted your opinion of Perotto since he made the move a number of times previously. While this piece was apparently a side job, it certainly pulled no punches (imho, anyway).

I am glad I do not work for the Nutting Family of Companies as I fear youwouldn't like me anymore.

Respectfully,

Jose

RumBunter wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 1:56 PM

Jose,

Thats a funny post

Humbly  

RumBunter or BumRunner as NH calls me

JosePagan wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 2:08 PM

@ RumBunter: Thanks!

Humblly & Respectfully,

Jose

Disclaimer: "JosePagan is not now nor ever has been an employee of the Nutting Family of Companies. The question as to whether JosePagan is a has-been is an open one, but no small number of folks have an opinion about that!"

Arriba Wilver wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 2:40 PM

Juan P---a belated thanks; sounds like Gorzo was more surly when he was good.  And if he's in the doghouse it's 'cause he pe*d on the rug for over a year.  Hope he gets it straightened out, but it's a good thing the FC didn't sign him up when they came in last year.

jasonbice15 wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 2:58 PM

Here's our take on the Gorzo Demotion.

classicgangonly.blogspot.com/.../gorzo-gone-y.html

NuttingHostage wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Unhappy with Gorzo
on Thu, Mar 19 2009 4:00 PM

Jose - As long as you refrain from accepting employment with Ogden Publications or any other Nutting business, you will be in good shape!

;-)

BumRunner - I hope you don't mind, I mean it all in fun. - If it bothers you it's OK to say so and I will stop.

;-)