Pirates trade Paulino to Phillies for Jaramillo

Hmm this guy seems worse than Paulino. YIPEEEEEEEEE! I was hoping for Andino........he at least has upside

Here is the scoop on Jaramillo:

web.minorleaguebaseball.com/.../stats.jsp

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Where did this trade come from?

Jaramillo Stats.

www.forecaster.info/.../player-career.cgi

World Series here we come!

I guess I need a new avatar....

at least he's gone...

Can you say head-scratcher.

Most useless.  Trade.  Ever.

This trade has sent shockwaves through the industry. .....  

-Lloyd McClendon

Sigh -

Exactly the type of move that you'd expect.  They have a catcher who has been supposedly tearing it up in off-season leagues and they trade him for.....

Bingo, another catcher.

I don't want to say I've had it with this team, because this move doesn't really mean anything anyway.  But it's exactly the type of thing that makes you go, 'huh?'

With it seems a few teams interested, why on earth make this deal?  Paulino is at least a decent back-up catcher.  It's also not like he's over the hill and his salary wasn't an issue.  This just makes no sense to me and I'd be surprised if anyone had a logical move for why it happened.  What's the absolute best that could happen?  That he become a slightly better version of Paulino?  Um, okay, sure.  Who cares.  If they were intent on getting rid of him, why not at least trade him for a SS project if we're really getting rid of Jack....or a pitcher.

By trading him for a catcher, it just makes this move completely meaningless.  They always feel the need to make these inconsequential moves to, it seems, stay ahead of the curve and give the fan base reasons for hope by saying, "See, we're actually changing our team."  What a farce.

Scout.com on Jason Jaramillo: mets.scout.com/a.z

Really. The only trade of the WM is for a back-up, Class-AAA catcher. The glories of being a Pirates fan...

Sounds like he doesn't have as much upside as Paulino, but he'll make a better backup catcher and is better defensively.  Here's what baseball america said going into this year:

Background: The Phillies first took Jaramillo out of a Wisconsin high school as a 42nd-round pick in 2001, then signed him three years later as a second-rounder out of Oklahoma State. He hit .304 in his first full pro season, then had 2006 ruined by a broken right hand. He bounced back in 2007, holding his own offensively and defensively at Triple-A Ottawa.

Strengths: A solid hitter from both sides of the plate, Jaramillo has gap-to-gap power and sprays line drives to all fields. He also has a sound approach. Defensively, he has slightly above-average arm strength and quick feet. He threw out 30 percent of basestealers in the International League.

Weaknesses: Jaramillo has below-average power and well below-average speed. His receiving and game-calling skills got sloppy in 2006, but he righted the ship in Triple-A.

The Future: He doesn't have the offensive or defensive ceiling of Lou Marson, but Jaramillo can become a reliable backup in the major leagues. He has a chance to serve in that role behind Carlos Ruiz in 2008.

Baseball Prospectus said "Jaramillo is overqualified to be a backup...He's a good defender, and though he won't hit with any real impact, he's more than an automatic out."

I like this.  Paulino is immediately the backup catcher in Philly, but Jaramillo is an actual prospect.  If the Rule 5 doesn't fill up our roster and we can resign Chavez, then Paulino's departure shouldn't effect us.  Jaramillo only turned 22 in October.  Those stats are from his first year in AAA.  AAA at 21 ain't exactly easy to do.  I don't know any actual scouting info, but the age and stats hint at the possibility that he might make it to the show someday.  And we have little depth at catcher in the minors.  I like it.

Ow Wow I can't do math!  He just turned 25!  Nevermind!  Forget everything I just said!  I am sorry PBC.

Surprise, surprise. Typical bottom-feeder trade. He seems kinda old to still be in AAA. But then again, so was ole Ronny Ballgame.

And yeah, I get the fact he wanted out, but tough 'you know what.'  With all the offense we lost from last year, they could have regularly used this guy to pinch-hit and had a semi-quality bat (if he really has improved) off the bench.

I still can't add!!  He just turned 26!  This is why I'm a musician.  I only have to count to 4 over and over again.

WHAT!! I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE A SMALL DEAL!!!!  UNBELIEVABLE!!  THIS IS HUGE!!!  WOW!!!!  INCREDIBLE!!!!

Got rid of a guy who didn't want to be here and replaced him with a good back-up catcher.  Not an earth shaking trade, but we probably got just a hair better.

These are exactly the kind of reasons why I am absolutely not renewing my partial season ticket plan I've had for the past three years now.  Don't get me wrong - I'll still go to a handful of games, but this team has no direction and no real plan except to throw as much crap at the wall (by way of acquiring all the prospects they can) and see what sticks.

Someone needs to tell them that the prospects actually have to be good for that to work.

He actually just turned 26....but I don't see all the fuss over losing Ronnie P.  He was lazy and would never have been a leader of this team.  Anybody else, at this point, is fine by me.  Jaramillo seems sound defensively and hopefully has some fire to him.  That would be a plus, for me.  I'm sure we would not have gotten much for Paulino with any other team.  Jaramillo was Phillies #10 prospect last year....can we say the same for Paulino?

I like the trade.  Paulino has no heart and will never recover in this town.  Here is the official release:

PIRATES AND PHILLIES MAKE DEAL

  The Pittsburgh Pirates today announced they have acquired catcher Jason Jaramillo from Philadelphia in exchange for catcher Ronny Paulino.  The announcement was made by Pirates Senior Vice President, General Manager Neal Huntington.

 Jaramillo hit .266 (112-for-421) with 20 doubles, eight home runs, 39 RBI and 48 runs scored in 115 games with Triple-A Lehigh Valley in 2008.  Jaramillo, who entered the season tabbed by Baseball America as Philadelphia’s 10th-best prospect, also took home International League mid-season All-Star honors in 2008 while leading all catchers with 113 games played.

 The 26-year-old switch-hitting Jaramillo was originally selected by Philadelphia in the second round of the 2004 First-Year Player Draft. He took home South Atlantic League mid-season All-Star honors in his second season of professional ball in 2005 after hitting .304 (136-for-448) with 28 doubles, eight home runs and 63 RBI in 119 games with Single-A Lakewood.

 In 2006 Jaramillo hit a combined .247 (81-for-328) with Double-A Reading and Triple-A Scranton. Following the season, he participated in the Arizona Fall League and was named to the All-Prospect Team after leading all catchers with a .379 average.

 Jaramillo was named to the International League mid-season All-Star team after hitting .271 (118-for-435) in 2007 with Triple-A Ottawa. Following the 2007 season, he was a member of the USA World Cup Team which won the gold medal in Taiwan.

You make this trade because Paulino was a dog and a quitter who couldn't/wouldn't block the plate; Wouldn't/couldn't block a ball in the dirt and didn't throw anyone out; not to mention he was a terribly undisciplined hitter and made it clear he wanted out.  In addition to those deficencies  you had fricking a 35 year old Raul Chavez playing in front of him last year.  Don't think the other GM's didn't notice that.  I think getting this type of player in return for the pig that was Paulino was the best NH could do.

JHadar,

I agree do we really want Joggin Ronny here? I'm glad he's gone, It's still painful to think how much Tracey liked this dud.

My only hope is that we flip this Yamamillo to the Marlins for Andino.

Anytime you get rid of someone who wants out you have improved. To add to that a competent back up to Doumit makes this a win. No it is not an earthshaking trade we all wish for but it is still an improvement. Small victories gang, small victories.

It is crucial that we resign Chavez. Jaramillo will probably be  starting in Indy.

Good bye, Good Luck to Joggin Ronny...

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Yeah, I'm with JHadar on this one. The guy's ceiling is solid backup, but it sounds like he can hit better than Chavez. Maybe he has one good season in him, like Paulino did, and we'll get that season. But either way, no reason to miss Paulino. I can't see him repeating 2006 in a backup role, and that's all he can be here (knock wood).

Even if RP ends up a better major leaguer than Jaramillo, I won't regret this trade - he was dead-ended here, and rightly so. I'll only mind if Jaramillo turns out to be a bum who's released by 2010.

The fans don't like him and he didn't want to be here. Good, get out, and don't let the dorr hit ya in the backside as you leave.

Hmmm....very interesting. Catcher for a catcher...well, it gives Doumit another backup.  SInce Chavez declared FA, it may be down to Jamarillo and Diaz for that role, unless they re-sign Chavez.  

This trade does not bother me in the least.

in my best Chris Farley.....

Hey Ronnie, remember that time, ah, you stood real far away from the plate with your arms up in an awkward way and ah, you bailed out on that pitch on the outside half of the plate, trying to pull it into the LF stands.  That was AWESOME!

God Bless Paulino.  I'd not high on this deal, because I thought that if Paulino was packaged differently then you may get more.

If Ronny goes back to Jogging Ronny, he will be out of baseball by June.  He may have a chance to start for the Phillies in 2009, but Marson is the starter in 2010.

Here's the link on the trade from the PIrates' site....

pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/.../article.jsp

Interview With Lynx Catcher Jason Jaramillo

April 30, 2007

phuturephillies.com/.../interview-with-lynx-catcher-jason-jaramillo

Come on people CELEBRATE!  Joggin Ronny is gone. Another rerminder of Littefield and Tracey. Be Happy!

Chavez doesn't do much for me.  With this guy and Robinson Diaz, we have serviceable bodies should something happen to Doumit.  

I agree that it's probably a good move just to unload him and to get a former 2nd rounder who made an appearance on their top 10 prospects list is probably not a bad haul.

I like the move. Another switch hitting catcher. Solid back-up projection. Played the most games, so hopefully he's durable, too. And who knows, maybe we swap him for Andino?

Oh, and again, no link, and i didn't check the other page but the Tigers traded OF Matt Joyce to the Rays for P Edwin Jackson. And we wanted Joyce AND someone for Wilson? Guess that was a bit much since Jackson is an alright starter who seems reasonably young. Oh well.

"He may have a chance to start for the Phillies in 2009, but Marson is the starter in 2010."

Paulino, starting for the world champs?  I don't see it happening.

This trade looks like a winner for the Bucs.  Jaramillo was blocked in Philly.  The current starter, Ruiz, has been reliable behind the plate, as well as an occasional producer in the batter's box.  He's probably the starter for the next few years.  If Marson can force the Phillies hand and make them make him the starter, Philly will have the best kind of problem.  They didn't need Jaramillo.

I'm still not sure what they'll do with Paulino, though.  If you think he got pilloried in Pgh for not blocking the plate, not running it out, and generally dogging it, just wait until he does it in Philly.  The Philly fans are tough, but if you play hard, and play the right way, they WILL give you a chance.  Go through the motions, though, and you're cooked.

I'd like to see Jaramillo earn the backup spot.  At least he's a little younger than the current backup option...

Good now philly fans can see how lazy this guy is behind the plate he lets so many balls go by him because instead of letting his body stop the balls he just takes stabs at them with his glove.  im not even going to mention his approach at the plate where he overswings and steps away from the plate instead of towards it(wich a teeballer should even know)

Rotten- Ruiz hit .219 last year, but had a great postseason.  Essentially Ruiz as much better defensively as Paulino is a better hitter.  Marson takes over in 2010 or in late summer as it is.  

Paulino wanted out. We thought he was gonna be the future. For whatever reasons, the guy did a belly flop in 2008, and part of 2007. THANK GOD Doumit stepped up to the plate. Hope he does same or better in 2009....

Is the new catcher worth the trade. I doubt it based on our past transactions. Does it help us on the money side? Does it help strengthen AAA ball, maybe push another of our catchers to perform and get to the major leagues?

All I know is; this is probably a non event for the talent  and hitting desperate pirates. I again make the cry: OPEN THE WALLET get us a Real Left handed hitting 1b, a real pitcher to lead these young bucks, and a real 3b!!!!!

Maybe then we play .450 in 2009 with hope for better in 2010!!!  Go Pirates and stop wasting our time!! DO SOMETHING worthy of our attention and ticket purchases. YOU OWE US THAT after 16 years!!

As someone earlier posted, Jaramillo was #10, and their cather for the future--Marson--was only #8. I really think NH got a steal here. We move a guy who wanted out, get back a gy who's blocked and may need a fresh start. NH seems to take these guys who were highly regarded, fallen off a bit, and taking a chance. These are moves we SHOULD be making. We move a backup catcher for a guy who could--COULD--be decent and allow Doumit to move to first someday or something. I like the deal. Even if it is minor.

SirL- I smell Paulino going into the rumor Peavy Deal (that is supposed to involve the Phillies and A. J. Happ.)  

Why the Phillies offered Happ for Delarosa I'll never know.  Happ could start for 3/4 of the league now.  

I'd love to see the Cubs trade Fukdome to a team that will appreciate him.  He's an above average player at best.  He'd look good for the Giants or Padres.

@PFS1960: The trade really doesn't seem to be money motivated--more motivated by a guy who wants out. As for your plan, who says we can't play .450 if our guys perform this year? Last year we were saying "if only we could hit" then our pitching fell apart. If these guys play up to snuff, who knows? I'd rather hit .450 with these guys then spend money to get to .450. Spending for another losing season is pointless. Let's wait to spend. I know it sucks, but it's all we can do right now. You've clearly waited longer and i respect that. If i were you, i'd be far more upset, perhaps indifferent. I'm not, so i say give it some time. Let's hope for the best this year and maybe make a run lwith money later. Ah, who knows.

Stan,

Ronny Paulino isn't a starting ML catcher -- The guy's a dog.

So, we got rid of Joggin' Ronny for an actual prospect.  

Paulino didnt want to be here, and now we get a former 2nd round draft pick which is a switch hitting catcher with defensive skills...

That was most likely the most value Ronny was gonna bring...

Good trade!

Not earth-shattering, but since Paulino basically wore out his welcome in the Burgh and may not even have won the backup job in spring training, I think this deal is good. I say we all give Jaramillo a chance, after all he did play for JR in the minors. JR may know something about the guy we don't....

If the guy can catch a throw from the outfield on a play at the plate, then I'll take him as an improvement over joggin Ronnie.

Also, lets not minimize the value of JR's experience with this guy. If he admired his play then maybe he's a hustler like Doug!

Two poor stats though that concern me - His worst batting stats (around .200) are when he is behind in the count and when runners are in scoring position. That tells me that he is not a disciplined hitter. Maybe Don Long can work with him though.

I need to keep the link to this page come July, so I can come back and say "told you so"...

Ronny Paulino - 2009 NL All Star

Wouldn't surprise me one bit to see it either.

Trade was a wash IMO.  

I was hoping we could add Ronny to a package deal for a good player somewhere else.  You know like throwing an extra log on the fire.  It lights up the room.  Say you want Jack then we want ????  but we will throw in Ronny too.  Now how do you like that?

Joe you are out of your right mind...

All--I am out for a bit to get the Morning Links ready to post. Be back in a bit...

@ JoeBuco <<Ronny Paulino - 2009 NL All Star>>

...and it wouldn't bother me one little bit.....he wouldn't have done it here anyway so better to get someone that is willing to play for this Pirate team.

Mad,

I'm not so sure there is much of a market for JW.  I dare say he will stay with the PBC at least until the trading deadline...

Or at least into January...

@FJR...Very good points indeed on JR's experience with Jamarillo.  

Probably a lot like JR"s experience with Doumit when JR was 3B coach for the Bucs in '05.  I don't doubt that JR had a lot to do with getty Ryan back behind the plate instead of putting him in RF where Tracy banished him.

I think you need those "Rudy" players to get the team going - better than a rotten egg stinkin up the joint.

It's like Rene Gayo said in DK's piece last week, if a player loses his focus then he's no good to you, no matter the talent - you have to let'em go.

First of all I gotta say that I don't think of this as a bad thing, I really just see it as being a who cares. That being said here's my analysis:

Pros:

1. Getting rid of a guy whose nick name includes "Jogging". Management sent a clear message here that we don't want guys who aren't going to hustle. Did they get anything back? no but they were able to send us a message of don't worry we won't carry a lazy guy on our roster just to show him to other squads. This scores major points in my book

2. This guy is from the Phillies. That means he came with John Russel's blessing. DK I would love to hear what JR thinks of this guy since they clearly worked together for the year JR was there. Everything I have read shows this guy has that underrated tag, but really we are talking worst case here a depth guy/organizational competition guy who can make Diaz the best back up he can be or work with our AAA pitchers.

3. Paulino didn't get moved within the division. If Joggin Ronnie becomes Charlie Hustle Jr. in Philly we won't have to be punished by him 30 times a year. That being said everyone knows just to throw fastballls low and away to the schlub so that wasn't much of a risk anyway.

Cons:

1. Aramis Ramirez/Chirs Young/Esteban Loiza/Jon Lieber/Moises Alou(only here since he was a player to be named later, Zane Smith freakin rules). This fan base would be devestated if Pualino gets his groove back in another uniform. those names up there are guys we gave up on too soon. NOTE: these guys were dumped for nothing productive in return

2. We sold low again - What might we have gotten had we sold him when he hit 310? Probably nothing since Littlefield was here, but still I mean we could've gotten more at one point. Either way no use crying over spilt milk.

3. If this works out 100%, maybe we make the wrong decision on another case like Paulino and make another dumb move where we get nothing worthwhile back

Verdict: This likely isn't worth getting worked up over and I am proud of the fanbase for our collective who cares response. We want to see more big deals, but I be this one is a win

@FJR--<Rudy Type's>

Good point...Always need a Doug on your squad.

FJR,

"I think you need those "Rudy" players to get the team going..."

I like that. Sort of like DD's passionate remark, "Give 25 guys who will FIGHT!"

The mariners just landed 7 players for JJ  and two minor leaguers. Why can't we pull something like that off???

Don't the Phillies deserve Bobby Abreu II?

Mets get J.J.  from Mariners:

sports.yahoo.com/.../news;_ylt=AlKRJLm1rJagfTzgmsKoDPERvLYF

You know there is something else that initially I thought to be a trivial note, but in thinking a bit more about it... I think it does say something.

The note on this Jaramillo was that he led all catchers in games played last year. O.k. - but this is in line with what JR would want, which is a gamer who doesn't want a day off. I like that kind of player.

He may not have power, but potentially this kid could develop into a switch hitting Kendall type.

My thoughts are correct.  If the Mariners got the Mets' sanitation waste for , they want a bag of balls for Bedard.  Go in for the kill Opie!!

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The reason the pirates can't pull of that sort of trade is because we like to trade for that one player that has "great upside" and ends up being an adam hyzdu and when our trades do work out and we get a good player we trade them away within 5 years