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Morning links: Turning the page

By Dejan Kovacevic | 12:45 a.m. Monday

LOS ANGELES -- Waiting here at LAX for the final flight home of the season, it occurs to me that our coverage today, in addition to spreading across the continent, looks at both the past and future of the Pirates: I wrap up things in San Diego, and Colin Dunlap tracks down Pedro Alvarez in Bradenton.

(Let me guess which one you will read first.)

Before we get to that, a couple housekeeping items: I will do a final Morning Links for Tuesday as well as another post at the same time and, then, upon the commencement of formal hibernation, will create a bunch of blandly titled Advance-Timed Posts with a date. They will show that they are created by me, but that will be the extent of my involvement. The moderators, of course, will remain in touch. This way, the blog never gets too slow (hold laughter, please) because it takes a long time to develop. (I said hold the laughter.)

Linkage to the general coverage ...

Pirates 6, Padres 1: In addition to stuff about the Adam LaRoche and Steve Pearce home runs, some of the athletes and John Russell talked about how their season changed so dramatically on July 31.

Audio: LaRoche talks about the "few steps backward" the team took with those trades.

Other news: Alvarez tells Dunlap it is time to focus on baseball, and he will begin doing exactly that this morning with workouts at Pirate City.

Video: Dunlap the detective tracks down Alvarez.

Opinion: Columnist Bob Smizik writes that management's task is monumental.

Notebook: Andy LaRoche becomes the second player this month to use the term "embarrassing" to describe a performance. Only he is talking about his own.

UPDATE 6:22 a.m. from CHARLOTTE, N.C.: Above is the aircraft where the people heading to PIT will be boarding in about an hour. This will be a good thing. Last flight of the year always a large occasion.

And from other realms ...

The LaRoche home run is the second-longest I have seen in person by someone with the Pirates. The other was a Jason Bay shot in Phoenix a couple years back to straight away center that simply must have approached 500 feet. As it was, the first baseman's yesterday was pretty good. And Pearce's was not bad, either.

The Padres avoided 100 losses this weekend but had nothing else to take from it, writes Tom Krasovic in the San Diego Union-Tribune.

Salomon Torres, Jason Kendall, Dale Sveum and the Milwaukee Brewers are in the playoffs, first time since 1982. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel has plenty, as might be expected.

In troubled times like these for the Mets, one can always count on the New York Post for some earthy perspective. "They are losers," opens Joel Sherman's column. And check out the tab headlines to the right.

On the brighter side, Oliver Perez acquitted himself well in a big game.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that Bryan Bullington did "a nice job" against the White Sox in a game that attracted a few TV observers in the visitors' clubhouse at Petco.

In the blogosphere, Mondesi's House drums up support for Maz.


Posted Sep 29 2008, 12:45 AM by Dejan Kovacevic

Comments

JL wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 12:52 AM

I wonder what the interval will be between timed posts during the off-season...

BadgerBuc wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 1:19 AM

JL, good question.  Since Dejan has taken good care of us, I imagine we'll be able to keep things from going stale!

Baywatch wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 1:23 AM

Good Night, All.

I know the naysayers are predicting terrible things for us in 2009 ... I hold out hope.

BadgerBuc wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 1:25 AM

Esteemed PBC Asylum members...

I couldn't be around the blog the past couple days, much going on with the family, BUT now... I take this time to say what a great group y'all are and what a pleasure it has been to be involved with such loyal Pirate fans.  I look forward to staying in touch with everyone via the timed posts this off-season!  

BadgerBuc wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 1:26 AM

Good night to you, Bay.

BattlinBucs wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 1:28 AM

I'm not writing off 2009 either.  After the trades the team was obviously deflated.  Zero chemistry.  I'm excited to get the boys in Bradenton, hanging out, playing some baseball, and getting accustomed to one another.  I'm not predicting playoffs, but I see us getting closer to .500 than 111 losses.

Forbes Field Memories wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 1:28 AM

DK - Nothing I can add to what has already been said. THANKS FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AG - You and yours will be in my prayers.

ALL - A big THANKS to you all as well!!!!!

I am looking forward to the post season PBC blog!!

madturk2008 wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 1:31 AM

Not sure but at least we will have a place to talk.

Did Pedro lokk a little annoyed to you during the interview? Looked to me he did not want to be bothered with it.

PI Stingray wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 3:57 AM

Just finished the Smizik article and although he makes some valid points, he cannot predict what will happen in the off-season. I still see some light at the end of the tunnel with this group. I think with another year's experience with some of these pitchers (Karstens, Ohlendorf, Chavez) and the possible addition of that power bat (what position?) and another starter and a righty reliever, why can't we expect improvement? Wait til next year!

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 5:23 AM

I just watched some of the pedro video on the home page of the paper and he I think had a slip of the tongue.  This may be our first off seson coup, watch and tell me if i am wrong or did he maybe slip.  He was asked if you are ready to work and then he is asked about his hand he sais it is fine aftet i gave it that fuive weeks.

maybe this was a little bit about not being able to pass the physical.

JimmyO wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 6:54 AM

Excellent article by Bob Smizik; if we kept Torres we wouldt of had our middle reliefer and  kept Jason Bay we would of had a power hitter (who wanted to sign a contract extension).

Sign some pitchers in the off season or at least make a solid effort to do so.

But "no" we wanted prospects because our minor league teams have no dept etc.  So now we wait and hope they develop.

I think most fans would of liked the Pirates to add a player or two thru free agency etc .kept the previous players we had then to do a SALARY DUMP.

I know we were under .500 with Bay, Nady, Marte and Bautista,  but since they left we had a .316 winning pct. with no hope.

But we always have prospects.............................

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 7:00 AM

www.youtube.com/watch

Good morning sleeph heads

hope this is the right one

Cocktailsfor2 wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 8:38 AM

I think Smizik meant MATT Morris, not Warren Morris. Doesn't anyone check him?

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 8:50 AM

As Dawn Unzips

The Night From The Sky

We Unbutton Our Minds

And Slip Freely

Into A Blank New Day

JHadar wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 9:03 AM

OK -- It's a new season.  Morning shift dragging in after a night of wild celebration.  Time to get to work, new contract for Doug, multi-year deal for Maholm, extend Wilson...  keep the core in tact.  

JimmyO -- sad truth is the Pirates haven't had many prospects.  Especially pitchers.  Unless you're calling a prospect anyone Littlefield called a prospect.  There was more talent ADDED to the minor league system this year than was already there.  It's not nearly as bleak as Smizik makes it out to be.  I really think the thing they did wrong was bringing Andy LaRoche up to the majors instead of sending him to Indy for the rest of the season.  It made him the whipping boy for the loss of Jason Bay, and although I hope it hasn't broken his confidence, it may well have.

C42-- Warren Morris had a good season for the Bucs in 1999 -- finished third in the Rookie of the Year voting, had a .360 OPB, but not much power -- then proceeded to tank, was gone after 2001 and played one more year each with Minnesota and Detroit.  We just haven't had good luck with anyone named Morris for awhile.  But we have another Morris in the system -- hope he'll be the one to break the run of bad Morrises the way Jack broke a pretty mediocre string of Wilsons.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 9:05 AM

For DK:

I'm sure when you arrive back at your office Jerry will ask you how you enjoyed hosting the blog this year and what it would take for you to do it again next year.

Your response:

www.youtube.com/watch

Thanks for making a trying season more enjoyable.  Your insights, overviews, outtakes, and understanding was much appreciated.  Enjoy your winter.

P S:  Your response was courtesy of The Laughing Dogs.  One of the best bands ever to grace the stage at CBGB's.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 9:21 AM

JHadar

Jim Leyland had good luck with Phillip Morris.

uglyken wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 9:34 AM

Thanks DK.........Your efforts are truely appreciated.

JHadar--You echo my sentiments almost exactly. We will certainly go for a long term Maholm deal. We should try to maintain a clubhouse with character by making an honest effort to keep Doug, and we should have salery available to pay Jack what his talent damands on the open market.

I think it was too risky to place AnLa in a starting role right away for all the reasons that JHadar speak to. We could of brought him up in Sep. to let the fans get a short look at the future. Instead, he was instantlly compared to the veterns that left town.

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 9:40 AM

www.youtube.com/watch

good music to get the day going

madturk2008 wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 10:04 AM

Is this Jack's farewell song to the regime.

Or our song for another lost season by the regime?

www.youtube.com/watch

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 10:25 AM

Bob,

Good morning to you, good to see you on the baseabll beat for one of the last of season stories.  The task is large.  In all fairness though, we are not driving into a cone, there is light.

I have been a prety close follower of the pirates.  I think Bay had his top season and I do not imply it had anything to do with his contract status.  I have watched him time and time again with a guy on first and second hit into a double play or he strikes out. No stats here to try and change my percetion of that.  Until this year he has never been a clutch player.  There are countless highschool players with better arms.  Sometimes we fail to remember how many doubles he allows simply because he can not get the ball to the bag with any consistentcy, if anyone who can run hits a ball 15 ft. to his right its a double.  I think you have his career a little over rated.  I am sorry to see him go, I do like him.  As many rbi's as he has had he could have way more with a few clutch hits, I tend to say he had more clutch hits this season with us than his previous seasons combined.  I do not think there would ever be a better time to have traded him.  Along with Nady we were losing too many games anyways.

Nady hit 60 points above his average most of the year and we know what you think about that situation as it relates to previous pirates.  He also went at his hifghtest price tag possible.

For two years it has been reported that top prospects were not being moved.  We know by recent baseball history that neither Bay nor Nady would bring us Mattt Weiters.  At trading time we had nothing to offer to acquirs a couple of pitchers and one would have done us no good, to borrow an old latin proverb, what was I to do?

Andy has been the poster boy for trade defactos.  There is no doubt that he has been in a tussle with his mind since he arrived, Rookies who sit the bench tend to have that happen to them, adding to his fog is the fact that he has had major defensive adjustments to his game pretty late in his baseball life so to speak.  In all fairness to the kid, write this season off and he gets a clean shot next spring.

The rest of the acquired gang of ten, just borrowing a little to generate the negative thoughts about all the acquired prospects, will bring a number of major leaguers to this team.  I bet some time next year following a game when Lanny says, friends, tonight we took a magic Karstens ride, you will agree.  When we have a night of Dorfball, you will think, this kids got something.  If we were not dealt a bucket of batting practice balls in Moss, he is going to send a few balls out of the park real quicklike.  Please do not downplay the requirements of the sending team to not hide injuries.  To Moss's defense the kid wants to play so bad he would have been nuts to open his mouth to us at trading examination time becuase up until that time it only hurt on turf.

With a little more fairness these may play out to be  blockbuster trades for us.  Marte fell off the blimp after several weeks of being gone from here.  This team needs more than a guy who can get one lefty out, he did well for us, but as you point out we do not have the talent to hold a spot for a one man specialist.

I think your premise is correct.  I also think you did not have to go so far to make that point.  I have liked the trades and I stick by that.  I think some day you will also.  

I also would like to thank you for your opinion side of things becasue I usually agree with your ideas and you keep from adding sugar to my presweetened  koolaid.

I close with a question for opinion, watching the pedro video this morning did I catch a slip that maybe these five weeks off has left his hand to heal?  Am I reading a little too much into his short answer?

Joe

P.S.  most of us lifetime true Bucco fans recognize the teams shortfalls, we just wake up each morning remembering a Roberto line drive or a Willie shot to the upper deck or Maz turning a double play or any number of plays from Jack and we expect to see the ball club return to its days of wine and roses.

irate fan wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 10:33 AM

The Pirates fired Jeff Andrews.

postgazette.com/.../916024-100.stm

JAL wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 10:34 AM

JHadar is correct-as was Smizak--he meant Warren Morris--as pointed out--one good season does not maen other good seasons will follow.  

AS for next years team--who knows what the pitchers will do--there is talent on the staff but can they harness it?  One good experienced pitcher would be a good addition--maybe someone like Garland or Wolf.  At 1b--LaRoche finished in the upper to lower middle of MLB 1st basemen in most hitting  stats.  Not likely to find someone better this winter.Other than Mark Teixeira not much there in FA this year in 1st basemen.  At second--Sanchez might be the best they do there also--again, not much in FA.  WE have beat SS to death, just have to see what happens with Wilson.  3b is gaping hole.  Just like with a good season, a bad one by Andy is not enough to know.  Were all the scouts wrong? Who knows.  Catcher is set--Doumit is one of the better hitting catchers around--had 2nd highest BA for catchers this year--was 8th in HR and if he could have stayed healthy would have been higher.  OF--Was Nate a 1 season wonder or will get even better with a full year under his belt; Moss showed some potential; Morgan was hittng well at season's end; can Pearce hit in the majors or was he getting the benefit of poor pitching at season's end, when will Cutch be ready, Michaels was a good bat off the bench (51 RBI in only 284 AB).  Then we have how fast will PA develop, same with Tabata and will Walker be ready sometime soon.

JHadar wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 10:51 AM

Pardon me if this is late the server wouldn't let me in . . .

Andrews fired . . .

>ooo      >ooo              >ooo     >ooo   >ooo              >ooo

Ants marching . . .

mgeorg wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 11:00 AM

So, not to pat myself on the back too hard or anything, but here's what I posted on 8/24:

****************************************

And the countdown continues, a little quicker than we might have hoped:

33 games left.

Need to finish 24-9 (.727) to reach .500.

Need to finish 16-17 (.485) to avoid 90 loss season.

Need to finish 6-27 (.182) to avoid 100 loss season.

They usually play a little better in September but it's shaping up to be about a 95 loss season.

***************************************

I should have posted that it's shaping up to be an 80 loss season?

JHadar wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 5:44 PM

Worst of guy in America would be a Pirate fan from Galveston who drives an SUV makes his living importing milk from China and has his retirement funds in real estate futures.

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 7:16 PM

www.youtube.com/watch

Good tune for the end of this season, not baseball

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 7:23 PM

Jhadar,  Dont confuse this guy with Baywatch

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Mon, Sep 29 2008 8:05 PM

Now that the season is over what are we to do with ourselves?  This could be the solution:

www.youtube.com/watch

jersey joe wrote re: Morning links: Turning the page
on Wed, Oct 1 2008 7:27 AM

Brian,

Way to jump on the bandwagon.  I just can not get over how people who are paid to cover something would rather make a point rather than to report.  We all know about this impending record.  We all also know this past season is the first season of this new management team.  Why with such an expose did you forget that fact?

You could have just as easy made the point you tried so hard at by including in your piece the fact that most major scouting services placed the pirartes with the second best draft behind the tigers.

Most of the fan base sees great potential with the summer trades that so many reporters including yourself view as what did you do today attitude for examination into the play outcome.  No one in their right mind expected any of the acquired players to step in and immediatly replace the players who left. That usually only happens when major league players are traded fro major league players.

We are as tired of these continous sortes at the Buccos with no inclusion of positive fronnts made.  What about the timely firing of two coaches whose responsabilities were not met, is that not an indication of a must to do better?

Brian, I like what you write, no need to turn just to cover the pirates.  This story could have met its desire with including the turn around positives happening in the organization, unless of course there was no desire to share positives.

Joe