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Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign; MLB, union settle grievance

By Dejan Kovacevic | 10:14 a.m. Wednesday

MILWAUKEE -- Pedro Alvarez, the Pirates' first-round draft pick, is in Downtown Pittsburgh this morning and is expected to sign his contract this afternoon.

The parties agreed to terms on a four-year $6,355,000 contract Sunday night but had been waiting for Major League Baseball and its players' union to settle the union's related grievance. That also is expected to happen soon, possibly today.

UPDATE 4:15 p.m.: MLB, union settle grievance. See main site.

4:40 p.m.: Here is the stuff from our main site:

Major League Baseball announced today that the dispute regarding Pirates first-round selection Pedro Alvarez and Eric Hosmer, first-round pick of the Kansas City Royals, has been resolved by agreement with the Major League Baseball Players Association. Both players will be free to begin baseball activities immediately with their clubs.

The agreement with the MLBPA clarifies how the Aug. 15 deadline for signing selections in the draft will be administered in future years. The agreement makes clear that deadline extensions can be made only by agreement between the Commissioner's Office and the MLBPA.

"From the beginning our primary concern was allowing Mr. Alvarez and Mr. Hosmer to begin their professional careers as quickly as possible and this settlement accomplishes that goal," MLB executive vice president of labor relations Rob Manfred said. "We fully support and welcome the changes to the manner in which the August 15th deadline will be administered. We believe that the changes will result in a cleaner and more consistent application of the deadline which is in the best interests of both Clubs and players."

4:43 p.m.: And here is the statement from the union on the same subject:

The Major League Baseball Players Association announced today it has resolved two related grievances recently filed against the Office of the Commissioner.  One challenged the unilateral decision of the Commissioner's Office to extend the August 15, 2008 signing deadline for drafted players and the other challenged the Commissioner's directive that removed Eric Hosmer from the field pending resolution of the first grievance.

"The agreement reached today fully satisfies the union's objective, made clear from the outset of this dispute, which was to defend the integrity of its collectively bargained agreements and to make certain that those agreements are respected and honored by the Clubs," stated MLBPA General Counsel, Michael Weiner.

The agreement makes plain that the Commissioner's Office may not unilaterally extend or modify the signing deadline agreed to in collective bargaining.  It makes plain that the Arbitration Panel may remedy any future Basic Agreement violation by voiding contracts agreed to or reported after the deadline.

As part of the resolution, Eric Hosmer will be permitted to resume his career with the Kansas City Royals and will be made whole for the time missed.  In connection with the resolution of the grievances, Pedro Alvarez and the Pittsburgh Pirates have agreed on a Major League contract, and Pedro will be removed from the Restricted List.  The Association wishes Eric and Pedro the best of luck with their professional careers

5:01 p.m.: The Pirates and Alvarez are having a joint news conference -- by phone -- within the next two hours, a clear sign that the contract is done.

5:28 p.m.: The participants in the news conference will be Alvarez, Frank Coonelly and -- here in Milwaukee -- Neal Huntington.


Posted Sep 24 2008, 04:10 PM by Dejan Kovacevic

Comments

BuccoNation wrote re: Alvarez, Boras in Downtown Pittsburgh
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 10:38 AM

Beautiful.

Minor Leaguer wrote re: Alvarez, Boras in Downtown Pittsburgh
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 10:39 AM

Glad to see these guys could finally find their way to town.  Let's hope the deal gets done and Pedro is on his way to Hawaii to play some baseball.

On another front, picking up from last night's thread, and a comment Matt the Rat made:  I never thought I would be hearing myself say "Let's go Mets," but I've seen enough of the Brewers pulling their shirts out to last me a lifetime.  At one time I was pulling for these guys, but no more.  You'd think they already won something they way they showboat and strut.  I know you have to be confident and all that, but...like Matt says -- this routine is jerking me the wrong way.

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez, Boras in Downtown Pittsburgh
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 10:46 AM

Minor Leaguer - They need to act like they've been there before. Wait, they have been here before...out of a playoff spot. It's just disrespectful. Celebrate and have fun but do it in the right way. Here's to hoping the Pirates can help spoil their playoff hopes these next two games.

BucsFan54 wrote re: Alvarez, Boras in Downtown Pittsburgh
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 10:53 AM

Minor Leaguer: I also never thought I would pull for any NY team, but the Brewer's managed to accomplish that with the ridiculous and unprofessional "shirts out" nonsense. They act rather proud for a team that had a lock  on the wild card a few weeks ago and now are fighting for theri playoff lives.

Baywatch wrote re: Alvarez, Boras in Downtown Pittsburgh
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:12 AM

Go, Pirates ... Kick some serious Brewer rear-end tonight ... and with Fielder, that's a lot of ...

And just to spite 'em, Cappy, after you strike out the last batter, you're our designated shirt puller-outer ... kind of to the tune of Kirk Gibson giving the ol' Eckersley arm pump as he was rounding 2nd base, after he hit that legendary home run off him in the '88 series.

And Pedro ... make my day: Put the Pirates cap on. And when you get to Hawaii, knock a few into the pineapple grove for me.

SandlotWizard wrote re: Alvarez, Boras in Downtown Pittsburgh
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:17 AM

I'll be interested in hearing what Pedro has to say when he breaks his silence at his first news conference.  He will have to face some tough questions about not honoring his word the first time.  Im hoping that everybody can get over it and move on.  

I also think somebody should take him down to Peppi's on the North Side for a sandwich.  I recommend the "Amazing Zeigfried."  

mazfromiowa wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:21 AM

I am wondering if PA is staying in the burgh.If so also wondering if the name on the hotel registar is aka.Right now he is as popular as used toilet paper.There is going to be some healing time needed.The 1st he needs to do is show his face and have an honest  meeting with the press and management and explain things.Like why he did this.My only hope is he fires SB and finds a better agent and tells all future draft what pitfalls to avoid when you have a SELF SERVING AGENT.Everyone can blame this on Boras,but Pedro went to a very good academic school and was a finance major and made very foolish choices  

Baywatch wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:22 AM

Hello? Anyone out there?

Why do I get the feeling that EVERYBODY but me got shut out by the server and I'm the only one left inside? Sure, it's a hassle getting on sometimes, but the thought of being the only one inside the asylum ...

Nurse ... Nurse ...

mazfromiowa wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:22 AM

Take him to Primanti Bros.

phillyjake wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:28 AM

For his next trick, Scott Boras will have Derrick Bell in camp next spring.

Baywatch wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:30 AM

SandlotWizard - "I also think somebody should take him down to Peppi's on the North Side for a sandwich.  I recommend the "Amazing Zeigfried."

Hey ... by the time me and Mrs. Bay make PNC for our anniversary next summer, all you locals have my permission to serve as our personal GREAT FOOD tour guides.

I've lost 30 pounds and need to lose about that many more before I make my appearance at Peppi's ... I just read this cool review of the place, but had to pull up short as my bulldog appetite almost broke its chain ...

Looks pretty good, Alvy ... sorry PG, it's the other paper.

www.pittsburghlive.com/.../s_195051.html

NuttingHostage wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:30 AM

Well this is certainly some good news for a change.

Despite the FUBAR process that proceeded it, alls well that ends well.

I just hope Coonelly and Huntington are not too proud to have learned something along the way and will make better decisions when it comes to negotiating with Boras and number one picks in the future.

Cocktailsfor2 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:33 AM

@ Maz:

Why would he fire Boras - the guy just got him $6.3 million reasons to keep him?

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:34 AM

I was thinking the same thing Baywatch.

Cocktailsfor2 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:35 AM

Disclaimer:

I am not a Boras fan in any way, shape or form.

LarryZ wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:36 AM

Will there be a press conference, open to the public?  If so, when and where?  Here's hoping Pedro can pull a Mario and save this franchise.

JL wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:37 AM

If pulling their shirts out is the worst thing the Brewers are doing to offend us, some of us might be offended a little too easily. But the best way to put a stop to that... is to just BEAT THEM.

Speaking of which, much consternation on the earlier thread about how and when to spend the bosses (read "our") money. When this FA discussion was reignited a few days back, it started because Bob Smizik had written that a middling pitcher or two should be pursued through free agency to shore up our wobbly pitching staff. The scope of that proposal was rather limited, and I for one, whole-heartedly agree with it.

Today, the argument on these threads has taken on a whole new life and scale. $90 mil team salaries, and what not. Now, there's nothing wrong with that. This forum is for us fans to banty about whatever ideas and opinions we have.

But again, MY opinion is that the best route for the team is to acquire "a piece or two" through free agency to bolster pitching, and leaave the rest of our financial resources for organic growth. In other words, when our own stars start becoming eligible for the next level of compensation, pony it up to keep them on our team. Nate McClouth can't be paid $400 K forever. Jack Wilson is due $7mil+ next year. But look at it this way, EVEN WITH the Matt Morris debacle on our books all year long, our 2008 salaries will probably work out to be only  $49 mil (or about $40 mil, if you throw out Morris' salary). Keeping the talent we actually have in our hot little hands, should be Priority No. 1, We should've kept Bay. We must keep McClouth, Doumit, Maholm, etc. Spending on organic growth is the best way to become strong. As for FA signings, don't forswear it like this Regime apparently has.  If there's a glaring hole --like pitching for us-- see if a good pickup can be made. Or when our team turns the corner and is in a pennant chase, then maybe a specific  extra piece can be added to complete the puzzle. FA is a resource that cannot be wasted. But foremostly, we should be spending  money so that we can KEEP OUR OWN TALENT while it's actually here , instead of just watching our team be the AAAA farm affiliate for the Yankees, Red Sox, etc., year after year after year.

dubers15801 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:37 AM

Take him to Primati Bros.?  Heck, Boras will probably take him to Pegasus.

indianafanatic wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:43 AM

Thanks bay

I too am on a diet.

Looking forward to next summer for our oficial blog fest at PNC but i gotta get a lap for the laptop. the overhanging shel prevents me fom typing sitting down LOL

AlexandreGiesbrecht wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:44 AM

Great news, but I'll be _really_ happy when the contract is signed. You know, a scalded cat is always afraid of cold water...

indianafanatic wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:48 AM

If PA his smart he will take Boras out to eat and mean he got him a another 300k

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:51 AM

"If pulling their shirts out is the worst thing the Brewers are doing to offend us, some of us might be offended a little too easily. But the best way to put a stop to that... is to just BEAT THEM."

Its still bush league stuff man. It's just something called sportsmanship. If we choose to dislike the Brewers because they don't have it then thats our decision. And I choose to dislike the Brew Crew because Prince Fielder is an ahole.

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:52 AM

Boy, it seems everytime I move away from the computer somthing happens, last night Pearce and his shot and this AM I go for my 1st PT and check up (Docs say I am doing fine btw) DK and his shot, PA here to sign. Nice very nice.

@NH--Man am I sorry, what started out as a simple question abouy the money, seems to have taken on a life of its own on the previous thread, you were busy. Not my intention but glad to see one of my questions or comments generate some passionate discussion.

@JAL--not sure whether you want me to slow down or head out to the bridge and take a running leap. AYYYYYyyyyyy SPLASH gurgl gurgle.

@P13-Thank you I am (was) doing great until JAL had me jump from the bridge, Now I am, going to miss th PA signing.

@Pedro--Because I am sure this is the first thing they will show you @PNC park, us here on the blog, I want to be the first to welcome you to the burgh. Hopefully we will all soon forget what transpired in the past month or so, and you go on to become one of our favorite sons like a very few that have donned the PBC Black n Gold. before you. We wish you and your family nothing but tremendous success here. 1 small piece of advice that I hope you have already gotten from Jack or even DD, do your job the way it is supposed to be done and be nice to our children, and we will support you like no other fans  or city will. Welcome aboard it is a special day.

Baywatch wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:52 AM

@indianafanatic - "I too am on a diet. Looking forward to next summer for our oficial blog fest at PNC but i gotta get a lap for the laptop."

Alright, indianafanatic! Keep up the good work ... in this case, it's OK to keep LOSING! (And sometimes, I get the feeling it's going to take 16 years ... I don't exactly have the metabolism of a hummingbird anymore)

See you next summer in the 'Burgh ... a svelte 185 for Baywatch!

mazfromiowa wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:58 AM

I'm all for improving through FA,but this a very weak class after the top 5-6.If there is no one good available let's not pull a Randa-Burnitz.PA actually lost money according to what I have read.If he had signed earlier.Maybe DK can shine a little light on this.Plus he lost out on quote-unquote love of the game.When and if he signs another contract you can bet others will think about his troubles before  coming to terms with the PBC.JD Drew lost out on his second contract as proof.Of course he wasn't as good as advertised too

NuttingHostage wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:59 AM

If I recall, under the terms of the new deal PA doesn't get his the first installment of his signing bonus until December so if they go to Primantis or Peppis or whatever, Boras may have to pay or at least loan PA $20 for now.

NuttingHostage wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:00 PM

Billykidd,

No worries. - It's all good stuff and fun to debate.

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:02 PM

@Bay--<our personal GREAT FOOD tour guides.> Please allow me the honor. We can got the Guy Fieri (food network) route of Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives or you and I can don the top hat and tails and the lovely Mrs Bay the evening gown and oh well....

www.youtube.com/watch

Baywatch wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:06 PM

OK, OK, I know I can wax a little sentimental sometimes ... but I gotta believe this is Alvy singing this song, post-signing ... maybe he'll sing it at the press conference (except for the part about "missing out on the pot of gold" ... oops, some have already guessed!)

matt the rat - this goes out for you ... remember the prom in the pilot episode of "Freaks and Geaks?"

www.youtube.com/watch

ConcernedChris wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:13 PM

to PA: All is forgiven, now go and make us proud - btw, this feels like Christmas morning [the previous 'signing' was more like Christmas Eve, you know when you are allowed to choose one present from under the tree and you unwrap it and it was CLOTHES :( ] This 'signing' feels like TOYS :D

to Brew Crew: Why is it that many of my alternate home teams are always doing things to irritate me....

I used to like the Scrubs, than the whole 'Thank you A-Ram thingie'

I used to like the Brewers, than the whole 'Capps/Fielder thingie' followed by this new 'shirts out thingie'

I used to like the Red Sox, than the whole 'Win a world series EVERY year Yankees thingie'

I NEVER EVER & WILL NEVER EVER LIKE THE BRAVOS OR FETS-sorry, I just cannot ever ever bring myself to it -

The bravos with the Bream/Francisco 'one hit wonder' Cabrera. Every October 14th since than, I ceremoniously burn a Sid Bream & Francisco Cabrera card

AND

MUCK THE FETS - Hojo with the blast off of Jim 'why did I throw him a slider' Gott - still hurts to this very day+even the Brew Crew cannot even play in the same 'egotist' league as the Fets-they were swagger cubed.

This year, my adopted teams are:

Devil Rays (obvious-not for the money reasons, for the Cinderella reasons :))

Angels (as fundamentally sound as any team I have seen in recent memory-still think Freddy Sanchez is a bad idea at 3B, see Chone Figgins :))

Phillies (they are at least in the same state & I love the rivalry there, much more personal & the people are more like us)

I guess the Dodgers-even though there is little to inspire me there, they just win-though I do think Manny could be a huge postseason factor - still like the Phils

mazfromiowa wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:15 PM

Wow Hostage was not negative!Waiting for it to snow in Hades.Maybe he is human.

indianafanatic wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:15 PM

@ Bay You always seem to find just the right song. What is your secret must havve an awesome video library there. on a side note that brings back some fond memories (got lucky a few)

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:15 PM

Baywatch - I do remember. I can't watch that video here from work but I will definitely watch it when I get home.

madturk2008 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:21 PM

@NuttingHostage wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign

on Sep 24, 2008 11:30 AM

Well this is certainly some good news for a change.

Despite the FUBAR process that proceeded it, alls well that ends well.

I just hope Coonelly and Huntington are not too proud to have learned something along the way and will make better decisions when it comes to negotiating with Boras and number one picks in the future.

Yes bend over and take it from Boras.  He will screw you any way he can.  Now that this regrime let him get off, they will have to pay from this point forward.

@dubers15801 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign

on Sep 24, 2008 11:37 AM

Take him to Primati Bros.?  Heck, Boras will probably take him to Pegasus.

LOL  see my comment to NuttingHostage.

You may need to let people in on what that place is. Maybe they will have a clue from my post.

JL wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:22 PM

Chris,

That's a lot of other teams you like...

I hope you don't also slip out on your wife this much (BIG smiley face emoticon HERE!).

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:27 PM

Hostage

I agree with your analysis.

WTM seems to suffer from the same philosophy which has been drilled into the Pirates faithful by this ownership group.  

People look at this as if it is their own money that they are spending.  Don't spend too much on FA or else we won't ever have a winning product.   Hello fellow Bucs fans.  It's ownerships money, not yours.  

Ownership contradicts itself by stating that they will spend when we have the pieces in place, but when we start to get the pieces in place, we trade them for players who will be here when we finally get the pieces in place.   They have us so conditioned towards looking to the future, we have forever abandoned the present altogether.  

WTM also stated that, "bad execution was an inevitable outcome of a bad strategy".  What he left out was that the bad strategy was implemented by incompetents.  Any plan is more likely to fail if those devising it are inadequate. Competent people cost money.

WTM said, "show me how increasing payroll can help this team win".  Again the same old brainwashed talking points.  The meager payroll increases of the past probably wouldn't make much of a difference.  But if you add 35-40 million, they'll win.  

The signing of the free agents by Littlefield may have been done not so much to appease the fans, but to try and put a more competitve team on the field as leverage for a contract extension.  As he proved with Morris, he was just looking out for himself and not the PBC.

madturk2008 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:27 PM

@ConcernedChris

"Phillies (they are at least in the same state & I love the rivalry there, much more personal & the people are more like us)"

This one was okay until the last part " the people are more like us"  Sorry no way we do not boo Santa.

Pirata13 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:29 PM

Maybe DK will sing him a ballad? Oh that's right, DK is in Milwaukee...sigh...

diehard wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:32 PM

@NH - Like a few others have said, in various forms, I appreciate that your posts today have had a lot more substance.  I've got one question for you, and any others, who have mentioned adding salary for next year in the form of free agents - who would you be targeting?  There are a few really top tier guys (Sabathia, Texeira) who will be getting a ridiuclous amount of money.  But it seems like, after them, the bottom falls out.  After Texeira, the next teir of 1B includes Doug M., and most positions are like that.  Most of the other position players are on the downside of their careers. The pitchers drop off from Sabathia, to temping injury guys like Sheets and Prior, to... Kris Benson and Kip Wells.  

Please don't take this as a critical quesiton, I'm just curious who people would like to see the Bucs go after.

www.mlbtraderumors.com/.../2009-mlb-free-a.html

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:35 PM

Having friends and associates that love and oh os adore the OLD version of Pegasus before it became a "hip 18 and under facility". That might not be such a good idea for SB/PA to go to Pegasus. Unless......Let's have a party Ladies!

For those of you scratching your heads Here is a clue

www.youtube.com/watch

diehard wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:36 PM

@CC - "Devil Rays" - there's an oops for you.  Don't them catch your real identity!  They will fine you - I think it's $100 - for using "Devil" in the name.  Seriously.  They were doing it to players, coaches, media outlets, all spring.  That's a fun team to wathc though.

And we can all look at Evan Longoria and hope that PA is even close...

madturk2008 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:40 PM

@Pirata13 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign

on Sep 24, 2008 12:29 PM

Maybe DK will sing him a ballad? Oh that's right, DK is in Milwaukee...sigh...

Maybe we could get the PG to send DK (and family) to Hawaii and have a one on one with him.  He could ask all our questions and get a little insight for us.

DK want to take a vacation to Hawaii with the family?

Arriba Wilver wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:43 PM

I would like to join in the welcome to PA from BK and CC.  Ignore the calls for apologies, etc;  all you have to do is perform and be nice to the young bucco fans and nobody will even remember any controversies or at least care about any past controversies.  

juan pizarro wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:43 PM

good to see NH (and C_Chris) back, and with some positive arguments on these last 2 blogs, rather than pure bashing of owner/management . And I agree with NH's #1 item wrt pouring more money into signings of draftees and overseas amateurs (let's include Asia  along with Latin America). I do not however believe signing of mid-level free agents is a good move for 09; looking back over the last few years mid-level FA signings looks like much more misses than hits. Better to spend any spare cash on youngsters, and play the prospects we have to see if they can survive the major league competition.

yes, "shirts-out" Brewers is very annoying; maybe the Bucs, if they win tonight, can do a Pittsburgh version of this and sit on the top step of the dugout, untie their spikes and put on slippers (a la Mr Rogers), singing "...won't you be my neighbor..."

And, like most of you, a big welcome to PA, all is water under the bridge (unless you become Andy Hermanson!?!).

Cocktailsfor2 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:44 PM

@Cave

"... But if you add 35-40 million, they'll win. ..."

a) Prove it.

b) Who do you think - in the current crop of FA's - is worth it?

c) How many games' difference will it make? 6?

Pirata13 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:44 PM

Madturk--DK's wife and kids watching him hula and sing to Pedro!!  AMAZING!!!  

DK--how do you feel about the hula?

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:47 PM

diehard--based upon recent performances, all things being that way at the start of the season... think you may need to add strong 1 bat. If i am GM I say screw the bat and if Nutting is truly committed to building a winner I go afdter the best pitchers available (I know we do not have a chance a CC but you go after the top 1 hopefully 2 of what is the top of the class below CC.

JAL said it yesterday With good pitching you should feel comfortable scoring 5 runs (yesterday) and win. We can trade for a hitter if that is necessary.It is very difficult to trade for a front line pitcher w/o mortgaging the future.

Crafton to Roswell GA wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:48 PM

re: pickups for 2009. Mike Hampton has low mileage for his age, but he is a good veteran pitcher whose huge contract expires in October. I'd love to see the PBC throw $2M at him (w/insurance , of course) and let him tutor Duke and Maholm as well as pitch every 5th day.

STLRFANRC wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:52 PM

glad its over with, can he start tomorrow?  sure as hell wouldnt hurt.

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:52 PM

@diehard--<And we can all look at Evan Longoria and hope that PA is even close...>

I would rather look at Eva Longoria

I would rather watch Evan Longoria play baseball

Can I look at Eva while SHE plays baseball?

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 12:54 PM

CC will be a Yankee next year. How much is Sheets going to make do you think? 15 million a year?

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:00 PM

P13--Just for you and to get DK in the mood for travel

www.youtube.com/watch

diehard wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:03 PM

BK - Can your medical condition handle watching Eva Longoria?

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:03 PM

Cocktails

"Prove it"

My point exactly.  We'll never be given the chance.  But wouldn't you like to see them try, just once, to make it happen.  And if the spending didn't pay off, we would have to suffer the indignancy of a losing ballclub.

madturk2008 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:04 PM

@Arriba Wilver and juan pizarro

He needs to stand up and be a man and tell us what went through his peebrain during the draft process.

He not only wronged the process (play and agreed to a contract, who cares if it was 2 minutes after the hour, plus that is still debatable) he let fans down (for whatever team would have selected him).  Been shown as a greedy little punk without having to take one ground ball or hit one pitch in the majors.  

If he proves himself and does well and deserves a good contract when he becomes a free agent he will get more than any ballplayer deserves anyway. Too bad it will not be for us.  If we don't pony up he may pull a Manny and not play until he is traded or gets his wish once again (Remember Boras is the agent).

Once we hear from him then maybe the healing could begin.  But he needs to be a man about it.

JAL wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:04 PM

Made over to the new post--keeping is sometimes a task.

@BK--Do not jump off a bridge.  Been there done that

www.youtube.com/watch

Pitching--yes-pitching--Pirates 29 of 30 in ERA--does it mean anything--you have to go up to #13-the Twins-to find a team still in contention.  Of the top 13 teams in ERA only Toronto and Oakland are out of contention.  Certainly you need hitting to complement the pitching but the best hitting will not win without good pitching.  Pirates have lost 13 games in Sept-in those 13 losses they gave up more than 5 runs in 10.

diehard wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:05 PM

BK - I also agree that a good bat would be nice, but looking at the FA list, who would that be?  It most likely would have to be via trade, and, most likely - and to the chagrin on many - involve traading Andy LaRoche for a 3B to get us from here to Pedro.

NuttingHostage wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:06 PM

To Maz - You seem to spend a lot of time being negative about people you perceive to be negative. - What's that make you?

;-)

To Turk - I don't advocate caving into Boras from now own, but the fact remains that if this club is serious about building a winner through the draft, Boras represents a high percentage of the best amateur talent and the Bucs are going to have to figure out how to develop a workable relationship with the guy, whether we, or they like or not. - They will have a tough time getting better if they just avoid all Boras "advisees" in future drafts. - ala Moskos instead of Wieters. - Let me ask you this, how would you like to have both Wieters and PA in the farm right now?

To Diehard - To your point, this years free agent class is slim pickings, but I think the comments Coonelly has made regarding mid & low level free agents is correct. - The trouble is the Bucs didn't even bother to sign any of those last season. - Maybe partly because free agents are unwilling to come to Pittsburgh given the clubs reputation. - I also think Coonelly financial classification of "mid-level" free agents is probably what you or I might consider a AAA player but nonetheless....

To answer your question, my priorities going into next season would be as follows...

1. Starting pitcher - 1 or 2 veterans. - 3rd or 4th starter quality.

2. Bullpen Help - Huntington's patchwork bullpen killed the Pirates this season.

3. A veteran powerbat for the outfield.

4. A short term insurance policy for 3B.

5. A replacement shortstop if they dump Wilson.

I'd look for mid to low level options for those areas, and I always like taking a flier with Minor League / NRI deals on some guys. - It's low risk and once in awhile you find a winnder. - Carlos Pena in TB for example.

With that said, guess I'd consider talking to and evaluating for a potential fit include:

Starting Pitchers - Matt Clement, Ryan Dempster (May be too high), Garland, Lohse, Pavano (If you can get him cheap and for 1 yr, but he has done well in Aug and Sept), and Randy Wolf. - Don't break the bank, but give yourself more options than we have in house today.

Relievers - definitely need some veteran help here. - I'd talk to guys like Ayala, Chacon, and Farnsworth.

Shortstop - If Wilson is dealt - I'd talk to Felipe Lopez.

Third - Blalock

Outfield - Bradley, Dunn, Pena, Baldelli, and Rivera.

Almost all represent some level of risk, some more than others, none with the exception of Dempster or Garland would command top line dollars and years, but most represent decent veteran experience as compared to the AAA talent the Bucs tried and failed with this year. - None are that one free agent or two that will put you over the top, those guys are going to have to eventually come from the farm, but none will break the bank either. (Relatively speaking, maybe in Bob Nutting's mind they will.)

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:07 PM

@die---I am willing to take that chance for Medical Science.

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:10 PM

madturk2008 - I for one do not care what went on in the past with PA as long as he signs the contract, begins playing ball, and turns out to be the player he is advertised to be. Then in many years when he is a FA we will see if we can retain him.

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:13 PM

Nice stuff above NH.

Just who is this masked man we know as NuttingHostage?

<quizzical smile>

NuttingHostage wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:14 PM

What is everyone expecting from the eventual press conference, assuming there is one?

I think the Bucs will be cautious about exposing Alvarez to the media and fans right now given the circumstances. - I'd think twice about introducing him before a Pirate home game this season.

I kind of expect a subdued, low key press conference with limited media access to PA. - And would expect a sense of awkwardness from the Bucs, Boras, and PA, and a sense of relief that it's over as well.

I just can't see Coonelly, Neil, Boras, and PA all smiling and patting each other on the back like you might ordinarily see after signing a top pick of PA's pedigree and stature.

UncleDirtNap wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:15 PM

What's with all this love for the once despised Mets all of a sudden?

Sorry, I'm rooting for anything and everything that needs to happen to get the Brewers in and give us the first New York less playoffs in a long time.

If Tampa Bay, Minnesota and Milwuakee all make it to the playoffs while six of the top ten payrolls stay home - that's just to sweet not to want to see.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:16 PM

Cocktails

to answer the rest of your question, Why is everyone so fixated on FA? That money can be spent trading for higher salary players instead of trading them away.  Keeping the good ones you have and complimenting them with one or two good FA signings a year for 2-3 years until the system starts to produce.  It isn't all going to be fixed in one winter.  

As to who I wouldn't mind seeing in a Bucs uniform:

Texiera

Hudson

Cabrera

Burrell

Blalock if healthy

Wolf

Burnett

Dempster

Lackey

Sheets

Sabathia

Baldelli

Crawford

C. Jones

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:19 PM

UncleCracker - It's not love for the Mets at all. It's a hatred for the Brewers.

madturk2008 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:20 PM

@NuttingHostage

Never said not to draft a Boras player.  Just that we broke and gave him what he wanted all along.  Now we will not have any leverage in the years to follow. In fact no one will have any in the coming years. Not that I favor management either, It's a bad process and the teams without resources will get screwed again.  

There needs to be a cap on drafted players domestic and foreign.  It will make the draft process fair for all clubs.

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:21 PM

Cave Bonifield - I think you are asking for too much with some of those players.

JAL wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:21 PM

@BK--Don't take too many risks  :)

www.youtube.com/watch

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:28 PM

Matt

Let's change the culture.  Let's think BIG.  

Why should we just give up and walk away cowering to the Chicago's and Boston's and LA's and NY's.  Let's stand up and fight and get those good players.  Let's give em a black eye and take no prisoners.    

Let's stop thinking like the losers we are.  Enough is enough.

The bullying of the PBC stops now.

madturk2008 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:28 PM

@matt the rat

The glass is half full you and that is comendable.

I was that way as well when they drafted/and agreed to a contract.  

I guess with the Manny thing and everything else I am starting to slip and view the glass as half empty.

Pirata13 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:28 PM

BK--sigh....cannot access youtube at work, will have to wait til I get home.  

diehard wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:29 PM

The "fixation" on FA's is because we know those players could be available.  You never know who will be available via trade, and proposing those can be kind of pointless.  For a way out there example, it would be great to see the Bucs trade Adam LaRoche and, say, Ronnie Paulino for Albert Pujols.  We'd all love it and say it would be a great trade, but St. Louis fans would be rioting in the streets.  Point there beingyou don't know at this point what trades are possible, and have to be realistic in what we'd be giving to get.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:32 PM

@NH Sorry I rubbed you the wrong way.Kidding more than anything.I'll just leave your posts alone

JAL wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:32 PM

@Pirata13-If they you were accessing this site they would probably block it too.

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:34 PM

Cave - I just think that it would be really hard to get any top tier FA to play for Pittsburgh. It is obvious that Pittsburgh will not have a shot at a winning season for at least another year, so why would these FAs want to come here?

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:34 PM

JAL

Paper Lace was an accomplished but often ridiculed band out of the UK.  They have actually found a following in my power pop world.  The album that this song is on is quite good and shows the bands diverse talents highlighted by a modern version of,  I'm In Heaven"Dancing Cheek To Cheek" .

pattonbb wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:35 PM

@NH If we're making a wish list, here's mine....

Starting Pitchers - Colon (probably to high, but he's coming off an injury, maybe willing to take a one year deal), Lohse, or Looper.

Relief - who cares. This can be done in house.

Shortstop - I agree with you on Lopez, but Adam Everett would be cheaper (hardly any offense, but great defense)

2nd base- (Sorry , I think Freddy's gone) Nick Punto

3rd base - Wes Helms

Outfield - Bloomquist (can also play a couple Inf positions), Kapler, Dunn

Manager - Bobby Valentine (get him before the Mets call)

GM - Keep Neal. Lets see what he could do with an extra 30m to spend.

I know I'm dreaming, but it's fun to think about.

madturk2008 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:35 PM

@matt the rat

At this point I am waiting for an answer before I let my feelings go one way or another.

If you punch me in the face I want an answer as to why.

Depending on your reason/answer I will decide if we will tangle or to let it go.

JAL wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:37 PM

You also do not know yet whose contracts teams are going pickup in their option year.

Pirata13 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:37 PM

JAL--shhhhhhh lest you jinx me...what would you guys do without me?

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:39 PM

Diehard

Correct you are.  But we have not been open to those types of trades in the past.  I am saying, with an increased payroll ,it is an avenue that we can explore , wherein now it is not available to us due to monetary constraints.

To build a successful business, you need the abiility to be able to take advantage of opportunity when it arises and that can happen by leaving the most options open at any given time.  One should not only have a plan B, but plans C-Z.

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:40 PM

@JAL--More like

www.youtube.com/watch

P13- I am sorry, at least you have something to look forward to when you get there

NuttingHostage wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:42 PM

Billykidd - Who am I? - just another Pirate fan like anybody else. - One who abhors losing. - I need to win like some people need air to breathe. - Apparently my disgust with losing comes out strongly on the PBC Blog.

Turk - now you are talking about the fundamental structure of the game and the competitive imbalance. - I think that goes well beyond Boras and I completely agree that it is broken. - Bud Selig is maybe one of the worst things that ever happened to baseball in my opinion. - Lance Berkmans comments this week were right on the mark.

JAL wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:42 PM

@Cave--Some very good bands just do not get the appreciation they deserve.  While I recognize the Buckingham-Nicks version of Fleetwood Mac did some good stuff, I prefer the Kirwan- Welch-Spenser-Green versions.

madturk2008 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:43 PM

Pirata13 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign

on Sep 24, 2008 1:37 PM

JAL--shhhhhhh lest you jinx me...what would you guys do without me?

Have to look at Bea I mean Baywatch instead of your ankle.

Just kidding Baywatch.  :-)

JAL wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:46 PM

@BK--Love Daffy

Off to Staples to fax something because the e-mail address I was given doesn't work!

NuttingHostage wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:46 PM

Cave,

Wasn't Paper Lace the group that recorded "The Night Chicago Died"? - Great 70's tune.

Maz - apparently you missed the little emoticon ;-) thingy letting you know I was kidding you right back.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:46 PM

Matt

Why not?  Players are greedy, goodness knows they have shown us that.  Pay them what they ask, and then some if need be.  Just get them here.  

I guarantee you this.  If we don't offer, they won't come.

Hey everyone.  Wouldn't it be great, for once, to get the big prize.  Not New York or Atlanta or ST Louis, us.  Your Pittsburgh Pirates.  Doormats and laughing stock no longer and we all have Nutting to thank for finally wising up.

uglyken wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:47 PM

While I am relatively new to this blog, I have been able to get a feel toward what positions that various blogers here have taken over the past month or so.

@NH: Wow, you really steped up and put some really good, clear, and well thought out tidbits for everyone to feast on (all of the threads today).

I'm not surprised by most of the love sent toward PA, except that the percentage of support is much higher than I exspected.

I hate to root for the mets; in fact, I really hate the mets, and I used to like the Brew Crew as much as any other non Pittsburgh team, but after the display that Fielder did after the HR I can root for anyone to beat them out. I hope that they miss out to an extra inning walk off home run durring a mandated tie breaking extra (163rd) game to decide the wild card to any other team (I don't care who). But the mets are next on my hate list.

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:48 PM

@madturk - Punch you in the face? I am not too sure what your question is that you are looking for an answer to. All I was getting at is that after 16 years of losing I am willing to take talent even if it comes alongside with an attitude (I was flaming Prince Fielder earlier because he is a punk with a attitude, but if he played for the Pirates I would love him to death).

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:51 PM

JAL

Having an intimate knowledge of the recording industry, more great bands fly under the radar due to promotional constraints than those who go on to success.  Just check the cut out bins.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:52 PM

@JAL

I concur on Fleetwood Mac.D kirwan,P Green, in fact all of them put out good solo work.More of a blues band in middle to late 60s.

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:53 PM

@patton--I like most of the decisions above except Bobby Valentine. He is a self absorbed self promoting egotistical (him before the team) loud mouth moron.

He has a .510 career winning percentage

I would rather have Manager Milquetoast, knowing that Management and his player like and respect him. I do not want to worry (well we never will have to with JR) that the mgr gets tossed and tries to show up MLB and the entire ump crew by putting on a disguise and sneaking back to the bench, at the time funny, but inretrospect egotistical and very disrespectful of the game itself.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:54 PM

Hostage

Paper Lace graced us with "The Night Chicago Died" circa 1975.

madturk2008 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:58 PM

@matt the rat

No, no, Matt I was referring to our conversation about PA and wanting him to speak to us about the process and his decisions.  Not you personally.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:58 PM

Patton

That's a very conservative wish list.

SandlotWizard wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:59 PM

As much as I respect the reputation of Primanti Bros. in Pittsburgh and enjoy their sandies, I'm afraid they are not in the same class as Peppi's on Western Ave. on the North Side.  

One of the coolest places to eat in Pittsburgh, with lots of old photos hanging up of famous people and Pittsburgh personalities eating there.

And their grilled sandwiches and fresh-cut fries.....  Unbeatable.  

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:00 PM

@NH--<Apparently my disgust with losing comes out strongly on the PBC Blog.>

In the past it has. But I can tell you and in total agreement with uglyK that your posts today have been great, clear, concise thought and comment provoking in a positive way while voicing your displeasure. Kudos.

This has been a very fun and interesting blog today.

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:01 PM

@madturk - Yeah I realized that after I submitted my post. I am an idiot :)

madturk2008 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:03 PM

@SandlotWizard

No one has mentioned the Oyster House yet?

Located in Market square and a few other places.

Good fish sandwiches.

BadgerBuc wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:06 PM

@ Bay ... Per your last thread post and your "The Veteran: Livin' and Lovin' the Life of a Loser in the 'Burgh!" for the film on Jack.  Right on the button you are!  It was so cool to see Jack sprinting around the outfield during BP last night, chasing fly balls, obviously making the most of not being able/allowed to be in the IF (finger).  From afar, he looked like a kid in a candy store.  

@ Bay ... As for Jack's quick smile, it was sweet for me to have him know how Pirate fans feel, whether in the 'Burgh, in Milwaukee, or wherever.  Never underestimate the power of a smile.

BadgerBuc wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:08 PM

@ Cave:  Per your "The bullying of the PBC stops now" ...  Can we therefore expect Maholm to stick one in Fielder's ribs his first time AB tonight?  If so, it'd be for an extra interesting game to watch.

bjm wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:16 PM

Dave Littlefield is running away with a vote on ESPN for horrid GM tenure (part of the Matt Millen coverage).

ESPNRadio was running a poll for worst franchise in sports (part of Mike Tirico's show) and the Buccos were nominated but not sure how that vote is going.

Be nice to see something positive like Maholm silencing the Crew tonight and hurting their playoff hopes.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:18 PM

Badger

And then some........

PBC = Pirates Bloggers Coalesce........            to stop the bullying and fight back.

uglyken wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:18 PM

BadgerBuc " Can we therefore expect Maholm to stick one in Fielder's ribs his first time AB tonight?"

That is the way old school baseball is played. I would love it sooooooo much. Maybe the bench clearing brawl that comes after will fire the team up enough to carry over to next year. I wouldn't mind seeing the Bucs start playing with a chip on their shoulder. A little push back is what is called for here.

pattonbb wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:18 PM

Billy, yea Bobby V is a goofball, but he always seemed to get the most out of his teams. That .510 winning percentage is heavily weighed by his time with  a really bad Rangers team (which he turned around without a massive influx of cash).

I'm really not that big of a fan of his style, just thought he rarely was "out-managed".

By the way, the disguise was hilarious. On the list of "The most disrespectful things a manager ever did", I don't think it even rates.

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:20 PM

@badger-<Maholm to stick one in Fielder's ribs his first time AB tonight?>

Gotta make you wonder?

pattonbb wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:21 PM

@Cave - conservative ? We're talking about our Buccos spending the cash to get some of them, not the Yankees.

Baywatch wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:22 PM

With the bantering of great Pittsburgh sandwiches and fries, even the mention of "Fielders Ribs" makes me hungry right now!

Pirata13 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:23 PM

madturk--hahaha, why am I singing the theme song from the Golden Girls?

and while we'd have to go out of downtown/immediate stadium area, I vote for D's 6 packs & hot dogs in Regent Square.  Amazing place...but designated drivers needed...one time when I was there the lowest alcohol % beer on tap was Guinness. Some of them are 14%....

pattonbb wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:24 PM

Nce to see Littlefield getting some richly deserved attention.

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:25 PM

If Maholm sticks one in Fielder's ribs will he even feel it with all of that fat?

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:28 PM

@pirata13 - D's is an awesome place to go and eat some hot dogs and drink some good beer.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:29 PM

"Wait for the pieces to be in place"

Has anyone actually parsed this statement?

What does it mean outside of the vagaries which it implies?

Didn't a lineup including, Wilson, Nady, Bay, Sanchez, Doumit, McLouth, LaRoche, constitute pieces in place.  That is 7 players, 4 with an all star pedigree and 2 that aren't far away.

What pieces need to be in place before we open the wallet?  How many pieces need to be in place?   Where do they need to be in place?  What defines a piece?    

Was Bay a piece?  Is LaRoche a piece?  How about Maholm, or Snell, are they pieces?

Are we looking for 5 Easy Pieces, or just pieces of the puzzle?

I get no peace pondering this.

Elmo Plaskett wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:29 PM

Now all the pieces will be in place, I'm sure.

UncleDirtNap wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:30 PM

"It's a hatred for the Brewers."

Hatred?   That's not the word you're looking for, envy is what you mean I believe.

Let's face it Pirate fans, the Brewers put the lie to the whole "small markets can't compete" trope you've been leaning on for years, turned all the outdated cliches like defense and pitching winning games on their heads and you can't stand  that they're having success while we're looking and loss record.

Love the Brewers and everything they've done because that is what the Pirates should aspire to do an be in a few seasons.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:32 PM

Good one Baywatch.  Nice vid this AM performed by one of the earliest of Psych bands.  They helped start a movement that still goes strong.

uglyken wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:33 PM

@ matt

No he wont feel it, and they may not even find the ball when it gets stuck between all the folds of fat, but everyone will see it happen and the message will be sent. It's the message that matters.

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:34 PM

UncleCracker - Don't tell me what I mean. And the Brewers are by no means the first "small market" team to compete for a playoff spot. They haven't accomplished anything yet. And when they lose their pitching next season it seems like they might not accomplish anything for a few years.

Dejan Kovacevic wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:37 PM

I'm actually in some city called Waukesha, and there is about as much to do and eat here as there is in Greene County.

JAL wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:39 PM

@Pirata--no intent to jinx you--what would do without you--probably use rusty scissors on ourselves.  :)

madturk2008 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:41 PM

@Pirata13

D's is good it's been awhile for me though.

How about Sammy's I think they still have three of them downtown.  Or only maybe two now from what I heard.

I used to go over to the one by the Manor garage for happy hour every Friday.

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:41 PM

@Matt&P13--I am a little older but I love D's. Great locals crowd fun place to shoot pool. DDriver is required anywhere down there.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:42 PM

Dirtnap

Right you are.  Even though they haven't even made it into the playoffs yet, they are acting like the noveau riche and showing up their downtrodden rivals.  That is what irks people.

The intimidation stops here.  Pirates Bloggers Coalesce:

If the team can't be tough, we'll be tough for them.

If the team quits' we'll carry on with bloodied noses.

If owners won't spend, we'll spend it for them.

If the truth is hidden, we'll uncover it.

Doormats no longer.

pattonbb wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:42 PM

Have to agree with Matt. Next year the Brew Crew are a third place team. That team was put together knowing this was their one real shot to win. They do have a nice minor league system, but nothing will replace Sheets, CC, Cameron, Counsell, Gagne, Torres, etc.

The most interesting part of that will be watching how they replace those parts. Will they go out and try the FA approach, or look to fill the holes from within? I know I'll be paying attention.

madturk2008 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:46 PM

@UncleDirtNap

Pittsburghers hate or dislike anything that shows up other people or to be specific,  our teams.

I too liked the brew crew until the showboating.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:46 PM

Hi DK

Good to hear from you.  It's the last week of the season and the opinions are flying around like Craig Hansen is pitching.  The inmates are restless and need a thrashing of the Brewers tonight badly.

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:47 PM

@BillyKidd - Hot dogs and six packs are fun for all ages *21 and over of course :) *

mazfromiowa wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:47 PM

matt you are right.In fact the division as a whole will be weaker.We all concede the Regime is very weak,but you have to admit the off season work can certainly help.Capps came in out of shape and also Gorzo.Who knows what would happen if they work harder.Domuit is a prime example.He came in 10-15 lbs. lighter and was steady all year except for the injuries.I'd like to see Nate 7-8 lbs. and a little stronger.

uglyken wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:47 PM

The Brewers are not a team that we "should aspire" to be like in a few years. I would rather aspire to be like the Rays, or the Marlines of the past. Those teams have class. Right now, the Brewers are without class. They haven't won anything yet to make such low class displays. Showing up another team that may not be as good but has the class to play the game without all the showboating isn't going to endear them to anyone outside of their avid fan base (it probably turns the stomach of a few of their own fans). If the Bucs acted that way, most of the blogers on this site would abhor it.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:50 PM

@Baywatch-In the words of Bachman-Turner -Overdrive

Pirates in the next decade."Takin care of business"

Long live the regime

pattonbb wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:52 PM

On ESPN radio, Mike Tirico is about to "explain" why Portly Fielder untucked his jersey last night

JAL wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:53 PM

I have speculation that if they do not make the playoffs the Brewers may try to unload other pieces of the team--like Hardy.

Just looked at the ESPN main baseball page--big photo of Maholm ready to throw a pitch.

sports-ak.espn.go.com/.../index

madturk2008 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:54 PM

If you are going to hit the fat man I would use Dorf to do it.  Let him wind one up and toss it in the gut of the weeble.

www.youtube.com/watch

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:55 PM

@pattonbb - I'd like to hear the reasoning if you could update us when you hear the explanation.

Cocktailsfor2 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:56 PM

Did someone say beer?

Capital idea!

pattonbb wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:58 PM

Brewers untuck their jerseys in a tribute to Mike Cameron's Dad.

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:01 PM

Cfor2--Lush!

pattonbb wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:01 PM

Cameron's father used to always tell him the best feeling in the world was to come home after work and untuck his shirt. When his shirt was untucked, he new the work was over.

Tirico just nominated the Pirates as the worst team in professional sports. He said a couple nice things about the city and history of the ballteam, but said the "Ghost of Sid Bream still lives in their city"

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:01 PM

pattonbb - Whats the reasoning behind that?

Baywatch wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:03 PM

madturk2008 - Why do I get the feeling your weebles have been wobbling - and falling down - for a long time now.

When we get to the real padded room together, I want to see that commercial once a day.

uglyken wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:03 PM

They couldn't think up a tribute that doesn't showup the opposition? It needs to be answered with old school style baseball.

LarryZ wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:04 PM

Um, soooo, back to the reason why we're all here - any more news on the Pedro signing front?

(Dejan - Waukesha? I distinctly remember the city's name mentioned by Richie Cunningham in an early episode of Happy Days. Before Fonzie jumped the shark.)

pattonbb wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:05 PM

I guess the Brewers have been doing it all season after last at-bat wins.

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:05 PM

@patton--Do explain about Cameron's dad. I can't recall SDPadres, NYM or Seattle ever doing that for him when he was there.

LarryZ wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:06 PM

The ghost of Sid Bream? Isn't he coaching in the Pirates minor league system somewhere? Maybe the Bucs need to fire him to really get rid of the cloud of Sid Bream.

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:07 PM

Dorf would be a good candidate to put one on the letters of fatboy. At least if fatboy rolls out to the mound he won't crush our only star pitcher.

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:08 PM

@LarryZ - I think we are all here because we are bored with our real lives.

Baywatch wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:10 PM

Is this Cameron, he of the reconstructed FACE?

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:10 PM

@LarryZ-- that is why we are all here doing this right now, awaiting the official news. Just filling time and PG server space. C'mon in the waters fine.

pattonbb wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:11 PM

That was the explanation. Maybe his Dad is deceased. The only info they gave was what I posted above.

JAL wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:12 PM

Worst team in professional sports--some good candidates there--Detroit Lions, 9 NBA teams finished lower than .400 winning pct (Pirates are at .414).  KC in both football and baseball, my local team the Nationals has worst record in baseball--many candidates.

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:12 PM

@matt--great minds think alike..I just wish we could find a couple of great minds.

Cocktailsfor2 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:14 PM

BK:

... the screen name, icon and my posts weren't subtle enough... now you gotta TELL everyone?  ;-)

P.S. ----> Nice Magoo icon!

mazfromiowa wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:22 PM

@Baywatch

Battlinbucs is a Domino man.But you know that.All you guys look alike

uglyken wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:23 PM

The Bucs should let Dorf start the game, do the deed when he first comes to bat, and replace him with Maholm to go on and shut them down. The best thing that we can do to send a message is to have a key role in keeping them out of the post season.

geowes wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:24 PM

I hate to be a "one note wonder," but the WHOLE purpose of NEGOTIATIONS, is to find conditions that are agreeable to BOTH sides.  In the distant days of my youth, the system was stacked very differently.  The club had all the power (see Branch Rickey & Ralph Kiner).  It's not like that, any more, whether anyone likes it or not.

NO ONE ON THE OUTSIDE will EVER KNOW all that went on between the regime and Boras.  So save on BP pills and enjoy THE GAME!

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:24 PM

Well I am back safely from behind enemy line....I joined the BrewCrew blog to get an answer.

Good afternoon Brewers fans. I am a Pirate fan and have an honest quetion. ESPN Mike Tirico reported that The Brew Crew pull out their shirts in honor/tribute of/to Mike Cameron's father. We in Pittsburgh are trying to figure out why? Thank you and good luck and a good game tonight.

I will monitor enemy movements and report back what I find out

JAL wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:25 PM

@BK-there are many great minds out here, just few that we know about.  Our popular, social, and political culture does not celebrate great minds.  Might be for the best because a great mind and a charismatic personalty can be scary.  I guess we could go back to antiquity and adopt Plato's idea of philosopher-kings

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:27 PM

@Cfor2--I just could not keep it a secret any longer.

pattonbb wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:28 PM

For God's sake, be careful over there Billy.We'll launch the rescue aircraft incase we need to bring you back.

BattlinBucs wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:30 PM

Good to see Pedro in Pittsburgh.  I started to feel that he had no idea where the city was.

uglyken wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:32 PM

BillyK, you are a true soldier. I can't wait to hear what they say, and just what they think about that kind of display.

mazfromiowa wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:33 PM

The strange part about Cameron is his lack love from the fans.At $10 mil he is neither loved or coveted.That Brewer blog is a bunch of unhappy fans.I blogged on the Packers and you would think they were the worst team in the NFL.Considering the Brewers lost for 12 years in a row I thought their fans would be more appreciative.Oh well at least we like MOST of the players in the Regime(gonna capitalize Regime from now on)

JAL wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:33 PM

@geowes--most likely we will never know but there may recordings and who knows what else that may surface a few years from now.  Of course, at this point it doesn't really matter what went on.  What is done is done and we move on to what is and what will be.

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:35 PM

Ok the enemy has reported in consistant fashion...And can you believe the comment I got back...

Cameron's father untucked his shirt after a hard day's work.  Cameron started doing it to honor his father after a win.  Then the outfielders started doing it to, and then the infielders followed suit.

Thanks for being classy unlike those silly Cubs fans.  And good luck to you also.

I fooled them one and all...They think I am classy. :)

Pirata13 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:36 PM

Matt the Rat & Madturk--have either of you been there since they have expanded?  Pizzas & calzones are pretty good too.  Man I have to go there soon.  

DK--Do the hula!

mazfromiowa wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:39 PM

Heres hoping they did not drug Kid.Barely out of Nurse Cratchett's clutches and gets sent behind enemy lines.Could be brain washed.BTW hope you are well

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:39 PM

@Pirata - Last time I was there was about a year ago.

G-Man wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:40 PM

BadgerBuc -

When I finally got to the blog, I was almost 450 comments behind. It's 3:39 and I'm still more than 100 away from being caught up. Still, I did not overlook your nomination for a Hap Cap. Here it is, before the "Today" thread begins and I'm another thousand comments behind. Congratulations!

    __/_H_\

Arriba Wilver wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:46 PM

JAL-a good buddy of mine lives in the Northern Virginia area and waited for 30+ years for DC to get a team.  When I e-mailed him about the Nady/Bay trades he said "The Nats would have traded some of their top players but they don’t have any."

BattlinBucs wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:46 PM

@G-Man, I know exactly what you are saying in regards to all the posts.  Last night I was all caught up at 3am, even spent some time sending a few posts to Mr. Neyer.  I get up and go to class and grab some lunch, and then BOOM! 156 posts on Pedro.  

You are all delaying my studying for my exam tomorrow.  Thanks.

BillyKidd wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:47 PM

@G-Man-Whatever else it is that is keeping you away, you must cease and desist immediately.

@maz--I am well enough to accept the dangerous mission of crossing into enemy territory to gather useless information. Thanks for asking.

madturk2008 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:48 PM

@Pirata13

No I have not, may be a place that I will need to visit soon.

Pgh_fan_in_NH wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:49 PM

@NH and Cave

Great discussion.

I think you are missing an important part of "having all the pieces in place".  That does not only refer to the major league level, but also the high minor leagues.  You need the pieces there so that when (not if, when) you have to cover for injuries there is someone there. The Red Sox and Yankees are great examples of that this year. Both spent big bucks on their major league teams. But the Yankees did not have the depth to cover for their many injuries (Wong, Matsui, Joba, Posada) The Sox lost (at least for a time) Lugo, Ortiz, Lowell, Becket, DiceK, and Drew but were able to fill in with Lowry, Pauley, Moss, and others.  The difference is that last night the Sox clinched a playoff spot and the Yankees are reserving Tee times for October.

The Bucs, even if Nutting goes all out will never have the resources of a New York or Boston to stock their major league roster, so having the minor league foundation built up before adding substantial major league talent is even more important.

uglyken wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:50 PM

You know, If Fielder would of done it after he touched home plate, it would of still been a tribute and it wouldn't of been showing up the Bucs too much (just a little). As it is , it was a lame act and still needs to be addressed. Deliver the message the right way, and if they take it then it's all water yunder the bridge. If they clear the benches, then we have a team that we can focus our hartred on (like that Met team that called us a bunch of little leagers). That chip on our shoulder served us well back then. Perhaps a little extra passion can go a long way.

JAL wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:57 PM

@Arriba Wilver The Nats have one player the Pirates could use-Ryan Zimmerman--at 23 he has been in the league since late season 2005--hit .287, .266, and .281 with 20, 24, and 14 HR--power stats down a bit this season but the Nats are very bad.  He plays 3b.  So young, a wealth of talent.  Beyond that Dukes and Milledge could develop in very good hitters but they need to grow up.

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 3:58 PM

uglyken - My dad's favorite thing to do when he gets home from work is pass gas, but you don't see me doing that in front of people to honor him.

uglyken wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 4:01 PM

@Pgh_fan_in_NH

You are exactly correct, but what was said before also makes a lot of sense too. If we don't have an entertaining team out there, we risk even lower attendance and the resulting funds that the fans bring in to keep the team above water until that time arrives. A few FA's isn't going to win us a pennant, but it can help keep the fans intersted until we are ready to take that big step as a true contender.

Baywatch wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 4:06 PM

Arriba Weaver - Your buddy's name isn't Yogi Berra, is it?

G-Man - Wow! You showed up just in time ... BillyKidd's in enemy territory, trying to get some critical information from Brewer bloggers on why the Crew pulls its collective shirt out on walkoffs.

I realize you can't transfer intelligence but could you virtual your decoder ring over the Kidd so has a leg up, anyway?

If his doctor gets word about this, Billy will be incarcerated ... He's our iron horse, the veritable Lou Gehrig of the PBC blog ... He's got to be up to 6,000 posts now (somebody check behind me).

We need the Kidd back on this side of the Torn Curtain!

BattlinBucs wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 4:08 PM

@Matt- That was amazing.

Baywatch wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 4:08 PM

matt the rat - C'mon, now, this is a CLASS JOINT! (alright, now help me to come up with the proper emoticon, NH, so Matthew knows I'm kiddin!)

uglyken wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 4:09 PM

Matt - Your dad sounds a lot like mine.

I certainly don't think that any display that shows up the other team has any justification.

Doing it as he is running the basepads is completely unacceptable. It's bush, and it should be answered the way true baseball players have done it over the years. I don't think that we would have same level of reaction if he would of been done  it on the way to the dugout. In fact, I doubt if anyone would of even noticed.

diehard wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 4:09 PM

If the Brewers lose Sheets, Sabathia, Torres, and Cameron, do people really think they'll still be a 3rd place team?  They will crash big.  More likely 5th place, as the Reds should bypass them as well.  If Jeff Suppan is suddenly your ace, you're going to have issues.  Um, kinda like us!

Pirata13 wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 4:18 PM

Madturk--yeah if you go like all day, you could probably eat enough to balance out the beers you drink if you do it over a course of several hours.  Calzones, hot dogs, fries...

I warned a co-worker last year on the drafts.  He did not heed the warning, he & his friend tried 1 of EVERYTHING on tap (at least a dozen?).  I got a text the next morning that said "You are the devil....:

uglyken wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 4:19 PM

If the Brewers have been doing that tribute thing all year long, then I don't understand why their players haven't been setting records for getting beemed. I guess that there hasn't been very many walk off wins for them this year.

matt the rat wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign; MLB, union settle grievance
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 4:22 PM

@Pirata - Mad Mex is another awesome place to go for good drafts and good food. I love their happy hour.

G-Man wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign; MLB, union settle grievance
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 4:22 PM

NuttingHostage -

I think your thought-provoking posts today are deserving of a Hap Cap.

    __/_H_\

And now, it's ANTS MARCHING, people.!

www.youtube.com/watch

DMac wrote re: Alvarez in Pittsburgh, set to sign; MLB, union settle grievance
on Wed, Sep 24 2008 4:24 PM

Okay, I'm finally cuaght up, I think...here we go...

First...I'm glad PA is in the Burgh, though I'd like to see it myself.

Next...can't we just make the Brewers go back to the AL?  I never liked them anyway...and I refuse to cheer for any NY teams.  I screwed this year, it seems in the NL...the Mets, the Cubs, the Dodgers...I'm not horribly fond of any of them.  

Last...Does it matter which Peppi's you go to?  I've been to the one on Smithfield Street...is the on the North Side better? Same with Primanti's  I'm still learning the local eateries, mind you...so where is this D's again and what's the good thing to get there?    Any other suggestions?