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Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters

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By Dejan Kovacevic | 12:11 a.m. Wednesday

HOUSTON -- We have Qs ...

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Q: Hi. The team's minor league coaching shake up is baffling. I know nothing about Trent Jewett other than what I read in your coverage. However, Jewett was respected enough by Neal Huntington that he was a top candidate for the Pirates' managerial job last year. Did Jewett's managerial skills decline so sharply this year that the team had to make a change, or are these minor league manager changes an example of cutting connections with the Dave Littlefield era?

Is there a sense the team is trying to fill the minor league coaching ranks with yes men?

I lack any proof, but my gut says yes. 

My gut also said Jason Bay would still be on the team.

Kevin Hensil of Harrisburg

KOVACEVIC: There is no question that Jewett is considered a top Class AAA manager, and that sentiment goes well outside the Pirates organization. It was just a couple years ago that Baseball America, on a survey of scouts, rated him the most ready manager to move into the majors.

The answer to both of your questions, Kevin, is a yes, to some degree.

There is no doubt that the Pirates' development folks want the program that they have in place to be followed, and they want it followed religiously.

In the case of Jewett, by one firm account, part of the program prescribed to him back in the spring included a suggested lineup that the front office felt would be the best for the top prospects' maturation. Jewett -- to his credit, some might say - made clear that filling out the lineup is the responsibility of a manager, any manager anywhere. When a manager forfeits that duty, he gives up an awful lot of the feel that is necessary to have control of a clubhouse and many other situations, not the least of which is the respect the players have for the man in charge. And this is heightened all the more at the highest minor league level.

I have no reason to believe that singularly led to Jewett's departure. Nor do I know that it did not. But perhaps it serves as an example to address your second question.

What will be most telling, probably, will be who the Pirates hire to replace Jewett. If it is another 23-year-old recently retired pitcher, such as Brian Tracy getting the pitching coach's job in State College despite having no experience, you will have your answer about the "yes men." If it is a qualified -- and strong and respected -- manager fit to run a Class AAA franchise, then you will have a different answer.

Should be interesting either way.

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Q: How long is too long?

Sixteen years and counting. Think about it. There are high school kids who have no memory of a winning Pirates team. College kids who were starting school when they last won. Ballparks are built these days to last 30-40 years. So, in about 25 years, another bond issue will be floated to replace the current park. Many of the voters will be in their 40s and 50s, and have no fond memories of growing up with winning Pirates baseball. Maybe their yet unborn kids of that era will have experienced some winning teams, but will the adult voters at that time care enough to continue baseball in Pittsburgh for another generation?

If the current trend continues much longer, I fear the ultimate answer will be no.

David Gross of Whitehall

KOVACEVIC: Sprinkle in a little nuclear winter and a second Aramis Ramirez trade, David, and you win for most thoroughly depressing Q of all time.

I get it. Believe me, I get it. Been here the whole time.

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Q: Why have virtually all of the minor league suspensions for violations of baseball's drug/steroids policy involved Hispanic players? 

About 25 more -- all Hispanic -- have occurred in the past few weeks.

Karen Rempel of Indiana, Pa.

KOVACEVIC: Yes, they have, Karen, and you are correct about the backgrounds. What you leave out, though, is that these players - almost all of them, by my recollection - were suspended in their home countries' summer developmental leagues. And that is an important distinction because it points more to those countries' culture of using performance-enhancing drugs and the lack of enforcement there until recently.

Put bluntly, many players there thought they could keep getting away with cheating, only to be surprised that, as of last year, their chances of continuing to do so has diminished.

Someone familiar with MLB's enforcement on this told me last December that MLB had markedly ramped up its enforcement in this part of the world, especially the Dominican and Venezuela, and the numbers you see are the result of that. On the list of 12 released last week, which included two 17-year-old Pirates prospects in Venezuela, all were from either the Dominican or Venezuelan summer leagues.

Again, though, I go back to the important distinction: If this were a problem with "Hispanic players," we would be talking about such players being suspended in the North American minor leagues and maybe even in the majors. There has been very little of that. (Humberto Cota stands out.) Rather, the problem is more with the players who are still playing in those countries.

I would expect more, too, as time goes on. Seldom are messes like this lessened quickly.

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Q: Hey, Dejan, how long did you have that story written covering the 16th losing season?

I'm sure you were writing this thing in your head all year long. Just curious.

Tom Keaton of North Fayette

KOVACEVIC: All year? No. I do think about it for a good portion of the summer, especially this year with the pro sports record being tied, and wonder if there is some different hook or angle I can take this time around. But the actual research and execution began shortly before leaving for San Francisco and, yes, about half of that story was planted in my C-drive the night before the game Sunday, just in case 82 came.

What helped this story was the awful manner in which the team lost, thus allowing for a much smoother transition between the background stuff and the descriptions of the game itself. That included the opening two paragraphs.

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Thing No. 108 that makes Pittsburgh great: The sweet symmetry in how the major arteries surrounding our Downtown was named after our first two major forts.

First major fort on the land that now comprises the Point: Fort Duquesne.

Second major fort: Fort Pitt.

Bridge connecting Parkway West to Downtown: Fort Pitt Bridge.

Identical bridge continuing that connection across to 279, 65 and 28: Fort Duquesne Bridge.

Four-lane road lining one edge of the Golden Triangle: Fort Pitt Boulevard, same side as the bridge

Four-lane road lining the other edge: Fort Duquesne Boulevard.

And nothing at all, anywhere, named after poor Fort Prince George, the tiny -- and original -- one built on the grounds of the Point before either of the above two.

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PHOTOS: Trent Jewett, MiLB.com; Fort Pitt model from Fort Pitt Museum lobby, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania


Posted Sep 10 2008, 12:13 AM by Dejan Kovacevic

Comments

emoneypitt wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 1:16 AM

I'm not sure which is more depressing: David's Q, the Weiters link posted a couple threads back or Trent Jewett getting canned at Indy. I guess the Weiters link for showing the true idiocy of Littlefield although the thought of this losing streak reaching 20 or more is scary as well.

Firing Jewett is a total sham. I hope he ends up getting a major league gig somewhere and making the Pirates look like fools. It's clear Coonelly and Huntingdon want a line of brown nosers in management from top to bottom. I know a new manager at AA or AAA hasn't been hired yet but I'd be real suprised if they were people who are well respected with experience that is independently able to evaluate the best course for the respective farm teams.

That said above, I also take issue with those who think getting rid of Wilson and/or Adam LaRoche at the end of the season would be a total money dumping instead of rebuilding.

Adam has proven he is not capable of contributing consistently for a full season. This team can't afford to lug someone around like that when winning is critical every month of the season to be competitive, not just July-September, although that probably won't matter much for 2009.

I know that the Pirates don't really have a solid backup for Wilson but what pay $8 million for a shortstop who honestly, is an average major league shortstop at best? I think his popularity off the field clouds some peoples' judgement. Wilson is a great fit for a contender, not a team that is rebuilding.

If the Pirates can get one good prospect for each of these guys, it's worth it. Why waste a combined at least $15 million for these two guys so that maybe the team will only lose 92 games instead of 100 in 2009? That money can be better spent to lock up future players and on the minor league system. The only way this franchise is going to truly get better is to build from the bottom up with player talent, no matter how brown the noses of the managers might be.

My concern is that given Wilson's injuries this season and Adam LaRoche's track record, the Pirates may not get somebody top rate for each of them and then the screams of Bob "Scroogenmiser" Nutting will commence. I feel though that in the long run, giving the young guys an oppurtunity to play every day in 2009 will be the most beneficial in the long run and that's what true rebuilding does.

SandlotWizard wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 1:54 AM

For the most part, I have been impressed with the philosophies of the new Pirates regime.  But what I've been reading about how the Pirates want their coaches and managers to operate is a bit creepy.  

I understand working toward the goal of uniformity throughout the organization, but they might be missing out on some of the real expertise of good baseball men (like Trent Jewett) contributing to player development.  

Go ahead and bring in new coaches and mangers in the minor leagues.  But don't bring in a bunch of inexperienced robots who will be merely an extension of baseball administrators.

JL wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 1:57 AM

I hope UncleDirtNap tuned in to this Q&A. He would find the above discussion on Jewett edifying.

Emoneypitt, I must respectfully disagree with your remarks about Jack Wilson. He "is an average major league shortstop at best?"  AT BEST?!! Meaning, he's possibly "below average"?? Surely you jest. Defensively, he is an elite shortstop. Offensively, his numbers dipped a little earlier this year (though he also had a significant injury). But as usual, he's finishing strongly. He already has a higher BA than both the NL and AL average for shortstop. His average will be even higher at year's end. Last year he batted 296. I don't know where his power went this year, but he always had been good for roughly 10 dingers a year.

Whether or not his $8 million salary for 2009 makes sense for a club that The Regime is dismantling (and a for a club that might challenge for a 100 loss season) I cannot say. But regarding your evaluation of Jack, let me delicately put it this way, were you a talent scout for the Buccos under David Littlefield?

JL wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 2:03 AM

"Firing Jewett is a total sham. I hope he ends up getting a major league gig somewhere and making the Pirates look like fools."

I robustly agree with this sentiment. And you might well be right about  the "brown noser" thing, too.

I take back my remark about you being a scout for Littlefield.  :)

emoneypitt wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 4:09 AM

Ok JL, fair enough. I admit I was a bit harsh in evaluating Jack Wilson. He is above average defensively, although he tends to make some routine plays look harder than they are. After all, he did hit around .400 the last two months of last season and he does have some pop for a shortstop. One thing I noticed over the years is his ability to hit even the hardest of heat. This season was lost to injury. I heard one of the announcers say a couple days ago that he never fully recovered from the opening day injury this year.

I guess I threw him under the bus a bit because even though it seems he genuinely wants to stay a Pirate, I really don't feel it's fair to either him or the organization to have him suffer it out here anymore. Despite Frank Coonelly's lines of BS he uttered about making the 2009 version of the Pirates championship contenders a couple days ago, it's obvious that unless a lot of young talent grows up fast and some of those starting pitchers pitch to their capable potential that we have seen in the past, the 2009 Pirates are going to be even more hapless than the 2008 version.

Jack deserves to play for at least a winning, contending team, if not a champion before he hangs his cleats up and that $8 million would be better spent on the future than on a veteran now who will be on an most certainly bad 2009 team. That's really the point I was trying to make in my first post.

Missing the Burgh wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 4:35 AM

I don't know that I agree with the masses on Jewett's dismissal. If his bosses tell him that they want a certain lineup in the MINOR LEAGUE, because it will be of the most value to the MAJOR LEAGUE team, then that is the way it should be. As for the argument ...

"When a manager forfeits that duty, he gives up an awful lot of the feel that is necessary to have control of a clubhouse and many other situations, not the least of which is the respect the players have for the man in charge"

So f'ing what? If the players are aware that the lineup is out of the hands of the manager, then they can't hold that against him, which should prevent at least some of the potential clubhouse situations mentioned in that argument. More importantly, if the players haven't learned enough professionalism by the time they reach AAA, then maybe they aren't suited for the next step anyway. I, for one, do not care who the hell is the AAA manager. I care about having a winning team in Pittsburgh, and it looks like this is another example, good or bad is yet to be learned, that the guys in charge have a plan, and are holding people accountable in the execution of that plan.

jersey joe wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 4:42 AM

emoney,you slowly rolled jack in front of the bus.  you guys have all the right in the world to cry about the Buccos, but when you cry you should be right.

you are forgetting that maybe Jack is telling the truth when he says he wants to stay the ship and stay on the pirate ship.

I say, if Jack asks to be moved then move him.  If he is giving no indication he wants to leave town, then there should be a very strong reason to move a super shortstop. remember how fast the infield came together when Jack got back on the field.

It is important that our frustrations not get in the way of our eyesight.

I suggested last week that Jack is valuable enough that we should consider making him a lifetime Buc.  When we get one pof our guys ready to take his place full time he still could play infield backup positions.

I pick Jack as our number one shortstop since Gene Alley.

Missing the Burgh wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 5:03 AM

Best shortstop since Gene Alley? What about Sammy Khalifa? I mean it took a superstar to replace Johnny Le Master, I can't believe you left him out... :)

jersey joe wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 8:06 AM

ha ha ha

waittilnextyear wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 9:17 AM

Fort Prince George.  Who knew.

I'm thinking 2012 with maybe a glimmer of hope in 2011..

Still in State College wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 9:44 AM

I have to say that the Jewett situation is not surprising to me.  I have some friends that work around the spikes and have heard similar things.  The new management is controlling all aspects of development.  I was told that for a period the first pitch to every batter was to be a low fastball.  Then the teams were told that the first pitch was to be a breaking ball of the pitchers choice.  It seems odd to hire people to help develop players but to not let them use their experience to decide what skills a particular player needs to be coached.

Cisco Kid wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 10:39 AM

Digging back in my brain since I don't have my copy of "Pittsburgh, The Story of an American City" in front of me, I believe there was also a Fort Wayne located approximately at 10th, Penn, 11th and the river and I think the railroad bridge that goes above the Greyhound terminal and over to the North Side is called the Fort Wayne bridge. It was at one time parallel to an aqueduct that carried the PA Canal across the Allegheny. If I remember right the aqueduct was still there until around the 1890-1910 era. I'm assuming the railroad bridge is still there!

Baywatch wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 11:15 AM

jersey joe - I only have a faint glimmer of a memory of seeing Gene Alley play. I actually saw him play against the Braves at their new stadium in Atlanta in 1966, but I was only 12, there to see the Braves and coming-of-age.

Do you think Gene Alley was as good as Jack, or better?

G-Man wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 11:42 AM

Ah, nostalgic mentions of Gene Alley. He is a native of and still lives here in Richmond, VA. I remember, when I was faced with a job offer to move here back in 1973, the first thing I was able to find out about the city was that it's Gene Alley's hometown. I have met him a couple of times. He plays golf with a former co-worker of mine and his wife works with the wife of a close friend of mine. Just about the quietest man I have ever met.

I saw Gene play an awful lot in my youth where as I only see Jack Wilson a few times each year on TV or on ESPN highlights. Keep that in mind as I try to answer Baywatch's question as to whether Gene was as good as or better than Jack, I'm inclined to think Gene was a better fielder but may not have seemed so because he is not as flamboyant as Jack makes many of his plays appear. I don't have Gene's hiitting stats at hand but I would be surprised if he was as good as Jack offensively. So, they are probably about even on the whole, depending on whether your team at the moment needs hitting or defense more.

wozzle wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 11:51 AM

@Baywatch, G-man - Alley had the better glove, better at the DP, not quite the pop of JW, but Alley played when the Bucs were competitive, so the pressure was greater on him. I remember so well "Alley to Maz to Clink"...

One of my worst baseball memories was when Alley got hit in the cheek - he never really recovered.

G-Man wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 12:40 PM

wozzle -

You are certainly right about Alley & Maz on the doubleplays. They had no equal. When either of them got to a ground ball, the throw went somehow through second base without appearing to touch the other fielder's hands on its way to first.

You are also right about Gene playing when the Pirates were competitive and thus more pressure. On the flip side of that coin, Gene and Maz's defense was a major reason the team was competitive. By the way, I looked up Gene's hitting stats. He was a career 254 hitter with OBP of 310. His highest average was 299 in 1966 and never hit higher than 287 in any other season.

KMRempel22 wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 1:43 PM

Dejan---

Thanks for answering my potentially politically incorrect question.  I had an inkling that these players were from the Dominican, etc. leagues, but only their Major League affiliates were listed in the suspension info.  By the numbers, though, you'd think that North America has "solved" the steroid problem.  NOT!!

Dejan Kovacevic wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 1:52 PM

No, Karen, it probably means nothing more than that those countries have not caught up with the latest masking agents.

By the way, since you seemed pretty irked that I had not used your Q, just wanted to stress here that it had nothing to do with subject matter. On an ordinary day, abotu 150-200 Qs come in. On a few recent days where there was significant news, that doubles.

Lion43 wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 4:56 PM

missingthe burgh : you got it baby ! All any one has to do is take a look at the " talent " that Jewitt helped develop and you can see where management would want things done their way.That is what Minor League baseball is about : developement.Gman : I can tell you that offensively,Gene Alley and Jack Wilson's stats are somewhat similar,with Wilson having aabout a 15 point higher lifetime BA.Wilson does have a better FA,and probably is in the top 5 of current SS defensively.

KMRempel22 wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 6:06 PM

Sorry, Dejan, if I seemed "irked."  Not really the case (the issue has just been bugging me for quite awhile), and I have no doubt that you get myriads of questions.  Sometimes it might be hard to believe you don't have a clone to assist you with all of this!  Thanks so much for taking the time to clear up my boggled mind!

Tom M wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Wed, Sep 10 2008 6:56 PM

I can't believe all these tears over Trent Jewett!  What exactly has he done to warrant all this weeping and wailing?  The fact is, for many years he's been part of the management team for an inept organization.  It's not exactly the kind of sterling resume that would compel his superiors to keep him around.  Here's another possible take: That Baseball America stuff went to his head, and his biggest concern was getting Trent Jewett to a major league team somewhere instead of getting prospects ready to play for the Pirates.  Those two distinct goals don't always dictate the same actions for the team.  Personally, I'd rather see someone there whose one and only concern is feeding the big league team with talent.

jetstream wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Not-so-minor matters
on Sat, Sep 13 2008 4:54 AM

New to the blog, but becoming a big fan of reading the comments! Personally, I think the new ownership has really begun to right a downright sinking ship - although I too have questioned some of the moves. That said, after thinking them through (and with the help of seeing both sides of the arguments through the comments here) I tend to normally fall onto the side of our new executive management.

I had to comment though, as the recent Trent Jewett situation had shocked me as much as any other recent activity has, mainly due to the respect that he's been allotted over the years. But, as a business owner myself,  if I am grooming my employees into executive positions -- and therefore require a specific regiment to be followed in order to place my company into the best position to be successful -- the manager in charge MUST follow the structure we have laid out.  

From my understanding, this was not being done... I understand the need "to be respected by the players" from a manager viewpoint, but it is a short shelf life given a manager that builds employee (or player) respect on the back of an uncooperative relationship with executive management. I wish Trent Jewett  the best, but feel that it is unfair to paint the executive management of the PBC as "filling the positions with "yes" men" -- when by all accounts, in words and in actions, that is not the type of management we have running the baseball operations side of our beloved team.

Sorry for the long post,  I love reading everyone's comments -- and I appreciate being able to comment myself!