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Pirates Q&A: To blow up or not

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By Dejan Kovacevic | 12:30 a.m. Wednesday

We have Qs ...

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Q: Dejan, to the excellent questions you have been raising about the recent trades, I would add one more point: Consider the two trades separately.

The Xavier Nady/Damaso Marte deal brought three potential major league starting pitchers almost ready for prime time, at a cost of one hitter. It is hard to argue that the infusion of pitching talent was not needed. By contrast, the Jason Bay deal completed the gutting of a productive major league lineup, ruined what has in some ways been an exciting season, and will likely ruin at least one more season. Perhaps the team with Bay plus Jeff Karstens, Ross Ohlendorf and Daniel McCutchen would have been the best mix of present and future.

The question I would like to ask PBC management is this: If you guys are not trying to put a team on the field that can win games in 2009 and 2010, and wish to use your resources for other purposes, on what basis would you advocate that fans come to watch it play? Would you recommend that fans do the same thing that you are doing, put our resources to other uses until the team is ready to compete in 2011 or 2012?

Mark Risk of New York

KOVACEVIC: Valid points all, Mark. Surprised more people have not raised them.

Here is a counter ...

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Q: Hey, Dejan, just finished reading yesterday's chat transcript, and there seems to be a good number of fans who want to say that the front office should've kept the team together, because there was an excellent offense, and besides, how could the starting pitching not improve next year?

Well, my question is, how can anyone assume that the pitching will get better, that this year was an anomaly, and yet also conclude that the hitting is not an anomaly?  We all know Bay is a terrific player, an All-Star on any team. But should we really expect Nady to repeat this season? He'll be 30 on opening day 2009, and we're talking about a guy who, prior to this year, never played in more than 130 games in a season. Never had more than 72 RBI. Never hit higher than .280. If we can expect Ian Snell and Tom Gorzelanny to have a return to form, should we not expect the same for Nady?

Likewise, which Nate McLouth should we believe in? The one who took the league by storm in April and May? Or the one who's driven in 10 runs since the All-Star break? There's no track record for him or Ryan Doumit.

Besides, I never heard anyone mention how to fill the Nos. 4 and 5 slots in the rotation. Zach Duke's not getting it done, and Phil Dumatrait, while he had three or four very good starts, is far from a sure thing. And heaven forbid any injuries.

Management did what it had to do. Maybe it'll take patience but, after 16 losing seasons, will one or two more really be the end of the world? If it means eventually having a young team that can sustain its success for more than one or two 84-win seasons, count me in.

Jeff Diamond of Richmond, Va.

KOVACEVIC: All valid points, as well. In fact, each of you did so well I will just butt out.

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Q: Dejan, since you have been on a NHL beat and now the Pirates beat what is your view on the U.S. Olympic baseball team next time around having our best from the MLB on it?

Bradley Shoff of Mt. Lebanon

KOVACEVIC: Actually, for a question like that, Bradley, I would rely on the only other beat I have covered in the past decade, that being the Olympics themselves in Athens.

What I heard from officials over there -- and not much I have read in the interim has changed these stances -- is that the IOC will accept baseball when the best players are involved, plain and simple. It sees what the NBA and NHL have done, and it sees no reason why MLB could not make a similar adjustment. (As an aside, speaking as one who stayed up past 4 a.m. to watch the NBA guys beat Spain in an outstanding event, there also is nothing quite like seeing athletes that rich and famous playing and celebrating with such passion. One of my favorite moments of an already excellent Olympics.)

For those unfamiliar with the background here ...

Baseball is out for London 2012, partly because of not having the best players, partly because the IOC was left leery of building two baseball stadiums in Greece (one for softball) that they knew never could be used for anything practical ever again. The usage in England probably would not be much greater.

It could be back on the docket for 2016, if MLB can find a way to get involved. One idea kicked around is that MLB would turn its All-Star break into an Olympic break, maybe stretch it to five or six days. From there, preliminary tournaments could be held -- say, in spring training -- to determine four or six finalists. If the games are in Chicago, as many expect, no need to build stadiums, obviously. Just show up and play. Round-robins at Wrigley and U.S. Cellular, with the gold-medal game at U.S. Cellular to handle the media and larger crowd.

Sounds incredible.

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Until tomorrow ...


Posted Aug 27 2008, 12:30 AM by Dejan Kovacevic

Comments

bucsfancents80 wrote re: Pirates Q&A: To blow up or not
on Wed, Aug 27 2008 12:43 AM

Havent most fans already been putting their resources into other things?  Won't they continue to do that?  Yes on both counts.  If the casino opens next August do you think people will go to PNC on a Saturday night or the casino?

We are 29th in home attendance.  It cant honeslty get much worse unless the Marlins move and we rank dead last.  

JL wrote re: Pirates Q&A: To blow up or not
on Wed, Aug 27 2008 12:47 AM

"How can anyone assume that the pitching will get better, that this year was an anomaly?"

Oh please. Is there any where else other than up after this year?

bucsfancents80 wrote re: Pirates Q&A: To blow up or not
on Wed, Aug 27 2008 12:53 AM

San Diego just won.  Seattle too.

Draft Standings:

1. Washington 47-85

2. San Diego/Seattle 50-82   3 games back

4. KC 56-76

5. Bucs 57-75   10 games back....only 7 out for 2nd place

PBC Blog wrote Morning links: The Hansen scene
on Wed, Aug 27 2008 4:00 AM

By Dejan Kovacevic | 1:34 a.m. Wednesday Craig Hansen stopped briefly at his stall after the game last

Goodtymes wrote re: Pirates Q&A: To blow up or not
on Wed, Aug 27 2008 7:56 AM

JL,

True, nowhere to go but up, but that wasnt his question and you answered out of context.

"Well, my question is, how can anyone assume that the pitching will get better, that this year was an anomaly, and yet also conclude that the hitting is not an anomaly?  "

I would argue that while the pitching had nowhere to go but up, the hitting had nowhere to go but down.  I would argue McClouth, Doumit, and Nady are having years that will end up being among their bests and there wasnt room for a whole lot of the other players to improve.

ConcernedChris wrote re: Pirates Q&A: To blow up or not
on Wed, Aug 27 2008 1:38 PM

35 runs

62 hits

9 doubles

1 triple

12 homers

41 RBIs

This is what Bay & Nady have done with their perspective teams since leaving Pittsburgh (almost 2.4 runs per game)

Bay has a LONG track record & has proven himself year in and year out as a 30 homer/100 rbi/100 runs/near .300 hitter & anybody watching Nady would have to know that this guy is a clutch hitter who will continue to develop his power - all that being said the Nady trade wasn't soo bad, the Bay trade was abysmal & completely decimated the offense of this team - simply did not make any sense....the guy isn't even 30 yet.

PI Stingray wrote re: Pirates Q&A: To blow up or not
on Wed, Aug 27 2008 10:00 PM

Why are fans still obsessed with the stats of players we traded away (namely Bay & Nady). Get over it already! They no longer are employed by the PBC. What is your point? Yes, we know the Bucs traded away two very good baseball players, and yes we know that those we received in return are not performing anywhere near what we traded away. It's called future potential, not what they can do for us NOW. Quit wasting both our time and yours with useless stats...

jersey joe wrote re: Pirates Q&A: To blow up or not
on Thu, Aug 28 2008 6:49 AM

PI, how fast we forget and lets hope if pedro gets here we forget and forgive this fast also.

Nady hits clutch, he is way over average but maybe coming into his own, If Boras never talked to them until the pedro deadline then we had no chance of keeping him.

All those stats on bay and they are nice, butwe saw time and time again with runnes in scoring position hit a popup strikout or ground into a double play.

imagine his stats if he had nady's clutch.

So, you are right, it is history, get over it and embrace these new guys.