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Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out

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By Dejan Kovacevic | 12:32 a.m. Thursday

We have Qs ...

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Q: I'm baffled by the Pirates' decision to option Jose Bautista to Indy. He seems to be a hard-working professional who does a capable, if not scintillating, job at third base and various other positions. What does he have to do to prove he belongs with the PBC?

Mark Vatavuk of Erie

KOVACEVIC: You know, without going overboard here because Bautista might only be down there a couple weeks, it does afford me the opportunity to share this: More and more, we are seeing familiar faces gone.

It was jarring when it happened to Ronny Paulino, maybe even more with Tom Gorzelanny. Then came the big trades. Others gone, too. Not saying those moves were wrong. Just that they were a significant break from how things were done in the past.

And they might be a break from the past in another way, too: This new management wants its own people, its own players, and that is becoming increasingly evident. A lot of them were given an extra year, from front office to scouts to the athletes themselves and even to the business end, but the weeding out clearly is underway. And I cannot imagine that too many people working for that company in any capacity are feeling comfortable.

As for Bautista, it is entirely possible that he was miscast as an everyday player. If he had come up through another system in a more competitive setting for jobs (such as the one Brandon Moss was describing to me regarding Boston last week), he might have placed all his focus on becoming the one of the best utility players around.

Then again, it also is possible that Bautista is right that he was not given a fair chance, at least within the context of 2008. It is difficult to label any franchise future-minded when it gives a 33-year-old first baseman platoon time at third with someone management was saying had a chance to be part of the future.

I know this much: Jose Bautista belongs in the majors in some capacity. If that does not happen in Pittsburgh, it will happen somewhere else.

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Q: Why are the Brewers (in their infinitely smaller market) able to not only sign ALL of their top draft picks, plus maintain a $70 million payroll with the big club over the past two years ($70,986,500 in 2007 and $80,937,499 this year)?

Wouldn't this mean that the Pirates have anywhere between $20M-$30M available to sign the best talent?

If the Pirates cannot commit to signing top players through free agency and will not do so in the draft, why on Earth should people in Pittsburgh support this team financially?

Chris Lach of Mt. Lebanon

KOVACEVIC: For all the complicated talks we can have about money, this is why I prefer simply to point to the Brewers. They are in a metro region two-thirds the size of Pittsburgh's, and they have the same potential for revenue streams. (Attendance is obviously higher now, but the product is much better. Switch products, and attendance probably would be comparable.)

There also is debt fodder to consider, but the Pirates sound happy with that these days.

Put it all together, and your likely answer is yes. That is how much the Pirates could spend. Could. But that would be, the way I see it, based on believing that the city would turn out for a good team and investing beforehand, rather than simply looking at the existing revenues and developing a budget off that.

It has much more to do with that, from what I gather, than the ability to spend.

As for whether or not you should support the Pirates, Chris, that is your call, not mine.

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Q: Dejan, who do you think the top 10 prospects for the Pirates are now, with all our new acquisitions? Where do Pedro Alvarez and Tanner Scheppers fit in that list if we sign them? The list has to be more promising than any time in the past 10 years.

David Edwards of Austin, Texas

KOVACEVIC: Depends on how one defines a prospect, David. Shortly after the trades, Neal Huntington made the rather striking statement that the eight new guys could all fit into the organization's top 10 right away. But, being that half of those guys are in Pittsburgh right now with no sign of a backward step, that seems off the criteria.

How about we make this simple and just choose guys who are in the minors right now? (Rehab guys exempt, of course. Gorzelanny, Paulino and Bautista, too.) And nothing scientific here, either, just top of my head based on random conversations and some eyeing of the stats:

1. Andrew McCutchen              6. Daniel McCutchen

2. Jose Tabata                          7. Neil Walker

3. Ross Ohlendorf                    8. Brian Bixler

4. Bryan Morris                         9. Danny Moskos

5. Brad Lincoln                       10. Shelby Ford

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Until tomorrow ...


Posted Aug 14 2008, 12:32 AM by Dejan Kovacevic
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SandlotWizard wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 1:12 AM

Jose Tabata:  4-4  tonite in Altoona, with a 2B and SB

Ohlendorf:  8ip  4h  0er  0bb  3k in 1-0 win for Indy

Not bad.

These top 5 prospects actually look pretty promising.  By the looks of it, they will be the 'impact players' added to the already solid group of players the Pirates have playing for the big club right now.  

Tabata, McCutchen, and Morris are all 21 or younger.  

Not bad.

Chewie wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 1:46 AM

Replace Moskos' name with Hague's and you may have something there.  Hey, look, Wieters is hitting .372/.470/.649 in AA ball.  Please tell me again, Littlefield, how the Moskos pick wasn't about money - it always gives me a chuckle.  Then the inevitable tears.  

FanInVirginia wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 1:48 AM

Hmmm.  I will freely admit that I don't pour over minor league reports for other teams, so my opinion should be taken accordingly.  I just wonder if numbers 7 through 10 on DK's list would make a lot of other team's top ten lists.  My guess is they would not.  

2010_Contenders wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 3:07 AM

Hopefully we will sign Alvarez, Scheppers and Grossman. If so, my top

Ten would be: 1.) McCutchen, 2.) Alvarez, 3.) Tabata, 4.) Bryan Morris, 5.) Brad Lincoln, 6.) Tanner Scheppers, 7.) Robbie Grossman, 8.) Neil Walker, 9.) Daniel McCutchen, 10.) Shelby Ford. Ohlendorf is out because he will be in the rotation by next week and stay there for  the next few years. Moskos is out because he  just isn't very good. I'm not sure Id have him in       the top 15 with the extra guys I added. Same with Bixler.

SeanE wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 9:06 AM

2010-I agree with all of your top ten but I would switch up the order.  If Alvarez signs he is #1.  His power potential pushes him past McCutchen and Tabata.  Also, I think Tabata is #2.  If you take away the first half of this year he is a better prospect than McCutchen.  Going into the season he was ranked ahead of McCutchen by all concerned.  He is also viewed as having a higher upside.  While Tabata's stock has droped this year so has McCutchens.  Many scouts feel McCutchen has kinda flat lined.  His last two minor league seasons have been nothing to write home about.  He was awful at the begining of last year and has not been able to maintain his fast start this year.  Based soley on long term potential therefore Tabata gets the nod.  IT is a nice agrument to have though.  These are three pretty solid prospects to have at the top of your list.  All are viewed as impact players.

ManofSteel wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 9:07 AM

By no means do I follow scouting religiously, but I do think it's an interesting enough topic to frequent Baseball America and read Keith Law and those experts, and by what I have read there, I would guess that none of numbers 7-10 on that list would be on most teams top 10, and would be barely in the top 20.  Walker's stock has slipped a lot this year, obviously.  I think the signing of Justin Wilson would instantly put him in our top 10, actually, maybe even as high as 7.  If we can sign the other big 3 from this draft, I would mostly agree with 2010 contenders as to their order, although I may lower Scheppers because of his injury questions.  

It's also interesting to note that if we sign all of these guys, we could get to the point where only 2 of the top 10 (McCutchen and Lincoln) were acquired in Littlefield's entire tenure.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 9:34 AM

Current top 10:

Tabata

A. McCutch

Ohlendorf

Lincoln

D McCutch

Morris

Ford

Cunningham

Walker

Moskos

bucdaddy wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 9:45 AM

Jose Bautista and his 89 career OPS+ (93 this season) shouldn't be surprised. He's a sub-average major-league hitter, the kind of guy we have to do better than if we're going to compete.

Still in State College wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 10:29 AM

I know that he is a Pittsburgh kid but is Walker really a prospect at this point.  He is a young player to be in AAA but he cannot play 3B and hit .230 at the major league level unless he is hitting 40+ HR's a year.  They just sent down a .240 hitter a guy that has shown to be the same type of hitter except he was doing it against major league pitching.

phillyjake wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 10:38 AM

Why isn't Graham Koonce on anyone's list?

BSpar wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 10:50 AM

Top 10

1a - A.McCutchen

1b. - Tabata - Though I believe he will end up being the better ML player

3 Morris - The best pure stuff in our system

4. D. McCutchen - Sleeper 4,5 and 6 could be ranked in any order, for now

5  Lincoln - Will eventually rise above Ohlendorf and McCutchen

6  Ohlendorf - I almost don't like putting him in here because he will be with the ML team soon.

7. Friday

8. Romak

9. Cunningham - GCL.  That's how shallow we are

10. Walker

Once Alvarez is signed he is #1.  If we sign Scheppers he becomes our top pitching prospect far and away, potential to be that true Ace.

waittilnextyear wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 10:53 AM

So, after all this wheeling and dealing, the Bucs are only 6 deep in "prospects."  (I agree with the guy who said that you can eliminate DK's 7-10 from any list of ready for prime time players.)  If Alvarez and the rest of the top draft picks are signed, what do we have, 8, 9, 10?  Previous posts indicate that we need something north of 15 or 20 to be viable in this "small ball" game.  We've traded our best pieces for prospects and the 2009 draft is 10 months away.  Where do we go from here?

Cisco Kid wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 12:02 PM

waittilnextyear - we're six deep in prospects because the rest of those guys are playing in PNC tonight. Like DK mentioned this AM, NH is cleaning house with a vengeance. He had to get some guys on the ML team for the simple reason that so much of that team was of AAA quality anyhow, or worse (Herrera, JBats, Paulino etc). If you looked seriously at the 40 man what else were you going to do but take the most MLB-ready and/or -experienced of the trade gains and put a P on their hats? That leaves you with fewer "prospects" out of the deal.

It's going to take some more astute trades before September, more over the winter, the arrival of the PTBNL's still in the pipeline (there's one or two due yet, I think), maybe - big maybe - a surprise FA, but mostly more A and AA guys coming in to fill out that 15-20 prospects. No way that was going to happen with just two trades.

They're just prospects anyhow and some of them are going to be bigtime flameouts. And some of those guys on nobody's radar - the Nates of the lower minors drafted in the 36th round and such - certainly not on anybody's top 10 prospects list - are going to pleasantly surprise all of us someday soon too. These lists are just a mental exercise but not really meaningful in the long run.

DK hit the nail squarely with the observation that NH is making this into his organization (with Coonelly of course). The slackers and hangers-on of the Littlefield regime will all be gone soon (you can't fire everybody on and off the field all at once, but mgt is certainly taking out the trash on an accelerated schedule, which shows they clearly understand the magnitude of the problem). This elates me like nothing since the days when Syd Thrift was showing all the coke-sniffing, card-playing guys who thought the game should be played in a clubhouse barcalounger the exit door. Firing a fireball like Syd was the dumbest thing the org ever did. May FC and NH continue to take a weedwacker to this club and the prospects problem will soon be a thing of the dismal past.

BleedBlackAndGold wrote re: Pirates Q&A: Another familiar face out
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 4:12 PM

I wondered how long it would take to compare NH to Thrift.

But remember this Cisco... the Coke heads and Card playing barca-loungers did bring us that last Fam-Il-EEE trophie.

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