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Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million

By Dejan Kovacevic | 2:12 p.m. Thursday

The Pirates will sign another prominent draft pick later this afternoon, but the only word on the identity of that pick right now is that it is someone other than Pedro Alvarez.

More as I get it.

On the Alvarez front, not much to report: All options remain on the table, including a major league contract. One of the issues that remains, as mentioned in the Notebook this morning, is the timing of a physical. If the Pirates are going to make such a large investment, they want certainty that the athlete is in full health.

UPDATE 2:25 p.m.: Fifth-rounder Justin Wilson's bonus was $195,000. I reported this morning that it was believed he had signed for above slot -- based on Wilson initially having sought third-round money -- but that final figure is slot to the penny. Gives a pretty strong indication of a) the Pirates sticking to their figures and b) Wilson maybe realizing his stock never will be higher than after that College World Series performance.

2:56 p.m.: Could be sixth-rounder Robbie Grossman, one of the true high-end guys in the draft. If so, it will be way above slot.

4:05 p.m.: And it is. Grossman signs and will be introduced later this afternoon here at the ballpark. He was considered one of the high-end guys taken in this Pirates draft and, in a larger scope, one of the top high school players in the country while competing in Texas. He had signed a letter of intent to the University of Texas. And yes, it does sound as if it was way above slot, perhaps as much as six or seven times the $155,000 slot for fifth-rounders. (No slots below the fifth round.)

4:35 p.m.: Grossman and Neal Huntington will speak to the media at 5:45. Will update with a couple quotes shortly thereafter.

4:42 p.m.: More on Grossman: He is 18, was ranked No. 49 overall going into the draft, No. 26 among position players. He was a preseason All-American going into Texas. From Huntington: "The addition of Robbie Grossman is a big step forward for the organization. We gave Robbie strong consideration as our second-round pick but, as part of our calculated strategy, we were thrilled that a player of his ability was still available when we selected in the sixth round due to his strong interest in playing collegiate baseball." ... He is 6-1, 190 pounds. ... He won the Josh Beckett Award for the Houston area's top player in 2008 as a senior at Cypress-Fairbanks High School after he hit 11 home runs. ...Was a member of USA Baseball's junior team in 2007, batting .450 at the Pan-American Junior Championships, helping team to a bronze medal. ... This is 30 out of 50 picks signed. The Pirates last year signed 27.

4:55 p.m.: Grossman's bonus is for $1 million, plus financing for a college education. Which makes him the most expensive draftee for the Pirates yet and puts him on a slot par with a supplemental first-round pick.

5:01 p.m.: A video can be found here.

6:04 p.m.: Huntington called Grossman "a very tough sign." ... Grossman, looking plenty nervous while surrounded by cameras and microphones, said, among other things: "I thought I'd go to school, but the Pirates went after me, and I respect that. ... I feel like it's the right decision." ... Grossman, after watching the game tonight, will fly tomorrow to Bradenton and play the rest of the GCL season there. He probably will be the last to join the GCL. ... Huntington referred to the Alvarez talks as "a challenge" and added that he expects them to run deep into tomorrow night. ... That will be it on this front. Next draft report will be the one published on the main site at midnight.


Posted Aug 14 2008, 02:12 PM by Dejan Kovacevic

Comments

Wabbit_Season wrote re: Draft update: Another pick signing today
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 2:25 PM

DK,

This is a bit nerve wracking here in central Pa.  Word over on the PBC message board is that the Giants just signed the catcher for a major league deal with $7M plus.  Does this move our numbers closer to a deal or no?

At least, Coonelly has seen Boras negotiations from the league perspective for some years.  So far the new management team has passed all its tests from where I sit, but this one runs the risk of converting a lot of unbelievers.

I really am amazed by Boras representing all of these high end picks and using the group to leverage against teams and collectively move the bottom line higher and higher.

Can't... stand.... much.... more....  Arrrrghhhh!

Jolly Roger wrote re: Draft update: Another pick signing today
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 2:30 PM

Hopefully Scheppers or Grossman

Hey, if Scheppers arm doesnt work out, maybe they can convert him back to a shortstop.  Looks like he use to be a stud.

Mick Kraut wrote re: Draft update: Another pick signing today
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 2:33 PM

I would imagine that to mean Scheppers...I wouldnt call Grossman prominent beyond the commenter community,,,

phillyjake wrote re: Draft update: Another pick signing today
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 2:34 PM

Article in Yahoo about FC.  Interesting read.

sports.yahoo.com/.../news;_ylt=AnzOa.HqSf_KV9Bo7AQEkrERvLYF

Does anyone really think FC would be a hypocrite for going over slot?  It's what his job was then, an what his job is now.

coreybower wrote re: Draft update: Another pick signing today
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 2:39 PM

Baseball America published a list of all the unsigned picks from the first 10 founds today, with little notes about the status of their negotiations:  www.baseballamerica.com/.../266692.html

They also posted an item indicating that there may be a number of first-round picks who decide not to sign: www.baseballamerica.com/.../draft

BleedBlackAndGold wrote re: Draft update: Another pick signing today
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 2:41 PM

Why the hell does everyone want to convert players to something else?

If it were that easy to "convert" someone, you would think they would convert the players that they have into a winning ball club.

Please... Rick Ankiel pulling it off is a freak occurance and none of the players that we have are that freakish.

ECbucs wrote re: Draft update: Another pick signing today
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 2:48 PM

Response to PhillyJake: Coonleys current job is to produce a winner in Pittsburgh.  His job is not to follow the slotting system so it would not be hypocritical of him to have the Bucs go over slot to sign players.  

wozzle wrote re: Draft update: Another pick signing today
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 2:52 PM

Not particularly surprised that Justin Wilson took the slot; a LHP with a 4+ college ERA isn't all that and a side of slaw.

Mick Kraut wrote re: Draft update: Another pick signing today
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 2:54 PM

Hypocrite?  Not at all.  His job has changed.  

He performed the role he was being paid to perform for the league and now his role is to lead the PBC to a championship (albeit in a fiscally responsible way).

Ultimately FC was/is a lawyer.  Lawyers represent their client/employer's interests.  His employer's interest is in signing draftees, not holding the line on bonuses.

i think alot of this perceived drama is intended for the benefit of all parties.  Boras will not allow Alvarez to sign until the last possible moment, he has a reputation to uphold.  FC needs to make noise about not overpaying so that when they announce what likely has been agreed upon for some time, FC looks like the tough bargainer for the fan base and Boras looks like the guy with the guts to get his clients more $$ than anyone else.

Reminds me of my time working in Labor Relations.  One time in particular a Union Rep came into my boss' office to discuss an upcoming grievance hearing for an employee who had wrecked a company vehicle and tried to cover it up.  The rep said that he understood why the employee was being fired but that he needed to make a show of defending him in the hearing so he was going to pound the table and bring up this point and then that point and to not take it personally that he needed the members to see that they fought for everyone all the time...even though he knew what the outcome was, he needed the theater...

Same here...Boras and FC need the theater to bolster their individual positions.

apk wrote re: Draft update: Another pick signing today
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 2:58 PM

Agreed, ECBucs. As an attorney for the League, he had an ethical duty to represent its interests re: slotting as zealously as possible. Now that he is an executive of the PBC, he has a fiduciary duty to serve its best interests. The fact that these interests are contradictory merely underscores the different hats he has worn from one job to the other. It doesn't make him a hypocrite. It actually makes him "ethical," in a crazy way.

What I found most interesting about the Yahoo! article is this:

"Coonelly is learning the complexities of running a team, and that’s a good thing. Some baseball insiders see him as a strong candidate to be baseball’s next commissioner and regard running the Pirates as a management apprenticeship that would complement his labor expertise."

This is the first I've heard his name brandied about as a "a strong candidate to be baseball's next commissioner," DK (anyone?), have you heard such talk before?

Admiral Bucco wrote re: Draft update: Another pick signing today
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 3:18 PM

Grossman or Gagnon would be great!

Alvarez will sign after the Bucs-Mets game on Friday night, barring extra innings and Scheppers does not want to go back to the pitching destructive manager at Fresno State.

ManofSteel wrote re: Draft update: Another pick signing today
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 3:27 PM

Wow commissioner Coonelly?  That seems to come out of left field (no pun intended) doesn't it?  Obviously just speculation, but I doubt he would've taken a job as president of a MLB club if he had intentions of using it as a stepping stone, that wouldn't be right.  Besides, he may have to go against certain MLB policies (like slotting) as the President, and if commissioner was in his mind, I'd think he probably would have stayed at MLB and worked his way up the company instead of leaving.  Although I suppose working for a team didn't hurt Bud's chances of being commish, so who knows?  

BSpar wrote re: Draft update: Another pick signing today
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 3:38 PM

That tells me Selig ain't never leaving

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Draft update: Another pick signing today
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 3:58 PM

Speaking of Selig, he says we are close to having instant replay.

What a horrible idea.  Bad idea in the NFL, worse idea for MLB.   Leave the game alone and let the umpires do their jobs.

ManofSteel wrote re: Draft update: Grossman signs
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 4:20 PM

Wow great to hear about Grossman.  I know he's a high schooler, so likely spends next season in Low A and is probably 3-4 years away (at least) but still, it's good to hear the Pirates signing these stud high school players instead of letting them walk to college, like they once did with Stephen Drew.  I'll be very interested to see what his bonus was.

Also, in response to Cave Bonifield above, how can you be against Instant replay the way they are using it?  To my knowledge It is only be used for home run calls to ensure it is a home run, and given the number of mistakes that have been made this year, I don't see why anyone could be against a system that ensures we get these important calls correct.

sarcastic sword wrote re: Draft update: Grossman signs
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 4:22 PM

From everything Ive read on Grossman, he's a stud......This gets the blood pumping!

Drunken Pirate wrote re: Draft update: Grossman signs
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 4:22 PM

Nothing wrong with using instant reply for home runs and fair or foul...it won't be used for balls and strikes or safe/out. Don't see a problem with getting those calls right.

Pgh_fan_in_NH wrote re: Draft update: Grossman signs
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 4:30 PM

Instant replay

I think the only thing that it is going to be used for is to determine if a ball was a HR or not. I have no problem with that. It happens infrequently enough that it will not delay the game. I am willing to bet the umps will appreciate the help given all the weird walls and seats right up to the field in the new ballparks.

48jj wrote re: Draft update: Grossman signs
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 4:32 PM

"one of the top high school players in the country while competing in CALIFORNIA"

Why was he competing in California when he's from Cypress, TX which is located just outside of Houston?

by-the-Sea wrote re: Draft update: Grossman signs
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 4:32 PM

Very good investment.  

Pirate Sun wrote re: Draft update: Grossman signs
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 4:42 PM

Biographical Data

Player Name: Robbie Grossman

Position: Outfield

School: Cypress-Fairbanks HS (Tex.)

School Type: High School

Academic Class: Senior

Birthdate: 09/16/89

Height: 6'1"

Weight: 195 lbs.

Bats: Both

Throws: Left

Report Date(s): 04/08/08

Game(s): Cypress Woods HS

Focus Area

Comments

Hitting Ability: Grossman is a good hitter, but his approach does need some work. He has a high leg lift that will need to be toned down.

Power: He's got some power now, though it's likely to come a little later in his career. More of a line-drive gap hitter now.

Running Speed: He's got above-average speed.

Base running: He's very aggressive and makes the most of his natural speed on the basepaths.

Arm Strength: His arm is average, at best.

Fielding: His overall aggressiveness translates pretty well to his defensive game in the outfield.

Range: He's got average range.

Physical Description: Grossman is a gritty little player with some Lenny Dykstra to him.

Medical Update: Healthy.

Strengths: Hard-working attitude; gets the most out his tools because of his aggressiveness on the field.

Weaknesses: He doesn't necessarily profile well. He's not quite good enough to play center every day, but not strong enough offensively to man a corner.

Summary: Grossman is the kind of player that can be fun to watch because he knows only one speed: full. A real grinder, he plays the game hard and makes the most of his tools, which include decent speed and some strength at the plate. He doesn't really profile well at any outfield position, but it's also evident he won't be outworked and is the type to exceed expectations.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Draft update: Grossman signs
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 4:46 PM

You are all missing the point about IR.  Once you let it in the game tha game becomes tainted.

Why is a home run call any more important than any other pivotal call that an umpire got wrong during a game.  A close call at first base that extends an inning, a trapped flyball that is called an out, a missed strike three call and then the guy hits a home run.  All can be game changers yet they are still left to an umps judgement.  

The home run offers the most drama at the moment but if that guy was still batting because of a blown strike three call it never would have happened in the first place.  Home runs are being used to get the foot in the door and more use will surely follow.  

Mick Kraut wrote re: Draft update: Grossman signs
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 4:51 PM

Very good news indeed...I wonder if we will be hearing about Scheppers tonight or in the morning...Pedro will go to the wire...

jbrindger wrote re: Draft update: Grossman signs
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 4:53 PM
Baywatch wrote re: Draft update: Grossman signs
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 4:55 PM

Cave - You make some good points. Well put.

G-Man wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 4:59 PM

apk -

>>This is the first I've heard [Frank Coonely's] name brandied about as a "a strong candidate to be baseball's next commissioner," DK (anyone?), have you heard such talk before?<<

This is a first time for me, too, to hear of it. Frankly, does FC need very much experience to be a better commissioneer than Selig? Daffy Duck would be an improvement over that guy. And Selig is so behind the times, I'll bet his plan for instant replay is to have a sketch artist draw the play that's under review.

GoBucs wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:01 PM

They mention Dykstra, but from that profile he also sounds a lot like Eric Byrnes to me.  Nothing too flashy, but the definition of grinder.  If he could develop into anything like either of them it's a great day.

by-the-Sea wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:03 PM

OK - with the signing details announced by DK at 4:55, I will revise my previous statement:

Very Good investment

Pirate Sun wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:04 PM

Grossman's bonus is for $1 million, plus financing for a college education.

Won't $1million finance a lot of college education?

G-Man wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:06 PM

Cave -

I have mixed feelings about instant replay on the whole. It has helped hockey with goal/no goal calls and is definitive a high percentage of the time. Fortunately, they have left it at goals only and not extended it to penalty calls. In football, I have gread disdain for replay because, in my opinion, the reviews get the call wrong a high proportion of the time when the evidence is clear.

As for baseball, I have to agree with you that it will end up being a "foot in the door" scenario. Home runs are easy to call on replay and I don't fault the umpires for missing them occasionally because they are far away from the fences. If the replay moves to other calls, it's often indecisive such as close calls at the plate and bases. In two dimensions, you cannot always see the tag. There would be endless debates and games would take 4 hours. I'm fins with doing without replay in baseball.

GoBucs wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:07 PM

DK - Would you happen to know the Pirates' lowest pick to ever sign for $1 million plus?  I might be reading too much into it, but this seems to be a positive sign that they're serious about adding (and paying for!) quality talent to the system.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:08 PM

When Nate was in A ball the Dykstra comparison was used on him as well.

Nice signing

Baywatch.  Pretty snappy new photo

G-Man wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:08 PM

Pirate Sun -

>>Won't $1million finance a lot of college education?<<

The million $1 is for kegs of beer at his frat house parties.

thegunner wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:10 PM

God forbid that Grossman is not another Eric Byrnes! We don't need another $10 million clown!

Mick Kraut wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:13 PM

I think FC has answered any questions the baseball world had about how he would approach the slotting system...

Should be an interesting 30 hours to the signing deadline...

Will some of the other interesting selections get inked?

Tanner Scheppers?

Drew Gagnon?

Quinton Miller?

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:14 PM

G-man

Football IR is a train wreck. I could paint my house in less time than it takes to get a call determined..

In baseball, how long will it take.  Will it ice the pitcher?

It would be the second coming of the DH.  Maybe the National League will nix it like they did the DH.  

Drunken Pirate wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:19 PM

"Why is a home run call any more important than any other pivotal call that an umpire got wrong during a game.  A close call at first base that extends an inning, a trapped flyball that is called an out, a missed strike three call and then the guy hits a home run.  All can be game changers yet they are still left to an umps judgement."

Because it's a home run. It is automatically at least one run. A guy on first is a guy on first. The odds of one affecting the outcome of a game are exponentially greater than the other.

"Home runs are being used to get the foot in the door and more use will surely follow."

No it won't. Nobody is interested in using replay for balls and strikes.

Pgh_fan_in_NH wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:19 PM

>>Once you let it in the game tha game becomes tainted.<<

I think that is a bit over dramatic. The NHL uses it only to determine goals. It is not used for offsides, penalties, or anything else. I don't think it has tainted hockey.

And it is not that the home run call is more important, it is simply more feasible to review than other calls. Balls and strikes are judgment calls even with replay.  I can see it maybe expanding to trapped ball plays, but they are so rare that I don't think it matters. In fact, I cannot recall the last time I saw the umps miss a trapped ball call. As far as plays on the bases, there are simply too many close calls  to make it feasible.

The fact is that a questionable HR call happens often enough to affect the games and it can be fixed without severely impacting the flow of the game, so why not get it right.

It is basically the same as umpires conferencing to get the call right, except you have an additional umpire that has a better view of the play than the four on the field.

Baywatch wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:20 PM

thegunner - You make me feel better: I thought I was the only one who thinks Byrnes is a clown!

But, hey, this kid could be more evidence that a lot of hard work and hustle will go a long way ... what have we been saying about Mientkiewicz?

I mean, can you put a dollar amount on how much he's been worth to the team this year? And I'd say his worth shakes out about even on leadership and results.

G-Man wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:21 PM

Cave -

Don't get me started on the DH. The only thing dumber than the DH itself is the way it's used differently in interleague and World Series games. The only beneficiaries are one-dimensional players and old players by prolonging careers. Enough said.

Drunken Pirate wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:24 PM

"Football IR is a train wreck. I could paint my house in less time than it takes to get a call determined.."

Football is a completely different situation, so there's no reason to compare the two. It is very simple to say we are leaving instant replay at home run calls only and not expand it.

"In baseball, how long will it take.  Will it ice the pitcher?"

No longer than it takes to get the managers who came out of the dugout to stop arguing.

Baywatch wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:25 PM

G-Man -

<<The million $1 is for kegs of beer at his frat house parties.>>

That's what my Pell Grant went for ... that and a pair of Vasque hiking boots, and a North Face back pack for trudging the hills to those Appalachian State classrooms.

Yes sir, a keg went a long way back then ... helped me stay awake for all those Braves playbacks on TBS. Dale Murphy, Biff Pocoroba, Bob Horner, Jerry Royster, Rick Camp ...

What the heck's wrong with me? I'm going to get booed off the field something fierce here!

Pirate Sun wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:26 PM

Living in AZ, I can tell you the D-Back fans wish Byrnes had not been signed to his huge contract after one career year.  Dykstra or Meinkiewitz clone? Pretty darn good.

Pgh_fan_in_NH wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:29 PM

>>I mean, can you put a dollar amount on how much he's been worth to the team this year?<<

I bet his agent can.

Baywatch wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:29 PM

That DH also gives way to kooks like Steinbrenner Jr., over there, who whined that his pitchers were getting hurt trying to bat in the interleague games ... I mean that is so NON stud!

William Wallace wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:40 PM

DK, I read on a web site that Buster Davis has signed with the Giants for 7.5 million signing bonus. Is this true, and does that totally screw the Pirates efforts to keep Alvarez's price reasonable?

JuniataKid wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:43 PM

"He doesn't really profile well at any outfield position." "Average arm, at best." "Average speed."

They paid a million dollars for this? You could say the same thing about me and I'm 44 years old. Holy crap! I think I've been drafted by the Pirates!

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:46 PM

Drunken Pirate

The use of IR in baseball will no doubt raise strong opinions from both sides.  On balance, the purists will hate it and the non purists won't.  

Questions will arise on many plays.  Take Doumits fan interference double last night.  Would that have been reviewed and who will make the determination if it is to be reviewed?  Will those calls become like an apppeal to a first base ump when the batter wants a 2nd opinion?  Any time you take decision making away from the umps, you taint the game.  Will the managers be arguing now to have the play reviewed?  

NH Bucs Fan

The fact that you said maybe use it for trapped ball plays supports my foot in the door logic.  You are open to some other use already.

Baywatch wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:49 PM

JuniataKid -

You could at least DH for an American League club

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:50 PM

NH PGH Fan/Drunken Pirate

I enjoyed the debate.  Go Bucs

Drunken Pirate wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 5:55 PM

"The use of IR in baseball will no doubt raise strong opinions from both sides.  On balance, the purists will hate it and the non purists won't."

I wouldn't entirely characterize it that way. Just because people want home run calls to be correct doesn't make them "non purists."

"Questions will arise on many plays.  Take Doumits fan interference double last night.  Would that have been reviewed and who will make the determination if it is to be reviewed?  Will those calls become like an apppeal to a first base ump when the batter wants a 2nd opinion?  Any time you take decision making away from the umps, you taint the game.  Will the managers be arguing now to have the play reviewed?"

No, because that wasn't a question of is it a home run or not. My guess is, umps make the calls as normal. If they need to confer and decide they aren't sure, they will go to the tape to be sure. You won't be seeing red flags from the dugout. It can be very simple if people allow it to be.

G-Man wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 6:06 PM

Baywatch -

>>helped me stay awake for all those Braves playbacks on TBS. Dale Murphy, Biff Pocoroba, Bob Horner, Jerry Royster, Rick Camp<<

You mentioned Dale Murphy. Coincidentally, the local Richmond newspaper is asking readers to name their favorite Richmond Braves since the local AAA team is leaving for Gwinnett, GA after this season. They mentioned the inauspicious beginnings of a young catcher Dale Murphy who had such a poor arm he hit his pitcher in the head on two separate occasions when he was trying to throw out a runner stealing second base. Fortunately, Dale found a different position to play.

Maddamma wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 6:10 PM

I wonder what Justin Wilson is saying to his agent today... Great work by Huntington and co. to draft a kid they had targeted earlier and sign him the day after you sign the guy you drafted before him for 80% less.  Different situations, but clearly shows that the Pirates are sticking to their guns on their internal values for each player.  They may have gone over slot, but they did not overpay.  

ManofSteel wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 6:14 PM

Cave Bonfield- I fully understand your point about the instant replay-foot in the door argument (My friend had this exact same stance the other night when we were debating this), and I agree that, yes, if it is taken to that extreme, it would be bad for the game, but I don't see it ever getting to that.

Yes the NFL system has gotten out of control, but the nature of the NFL, with defined plays and time to decide whether to review, lends itself to those kinds of stoppages being possible.  I think the more valid comparison would be the NHL and NBA, where replay is used incredibly effectively.  In the NBA it is used to determine either A) If a shot was taken before time expired or B) whether a basket was a 2 or 3 pointer, and in the NHL its for the goal/ no goal debate.  As long as baseball keeps it confined to home run/ no home run, I don't see any issues that can be had here.  And to speculate as to what the league MAY do down the line I don't think should be a legitimate concern.  

Bucco.Fan.By.The.Bay wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 6:20 PM

My family went to see the Pirates play at Fulton County Stadium in 1978.  After the game, we went looking for the Pirates' path to the stadium exit to collect some autographs - almost all (Stargell, Blyleven, Tanner, Sanguillen, Garner, etc.) very gracious except for Parker and Taveras.  A fresh-face Brave saw us walking around with the paper and grabbed it out of my hand and signed it.  Only a decade later I looked at that name and  saw that it was Dale Murphy.  I always had a good feeling about that guy.

pirateradio wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 6:48 PM

Guess this proves NH is willing to spend some $ to get talent AND he's not just overpaying across the board. Even not including Alvarez, when was the last time the Pirates signed so many highly rated players?

Pirateboy66 wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 7:27 PM

WOOOOHOOOO!!

This is Great news!!!

smyers wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 11:05 PM

another hap sighting, this time in reference to a team you'll never expect..... the yankees. believe it. here is the link, it's in the opening paragraph.

sportsillustrated.cnn.com/.../index.html

Duke84 wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Thu, Aug 14 2008 11:14 PM

That scouting profile sounds a lot like Nate McLouth.

If it costs half a million more or so to get second round talent with a sixth round pick, so be it.  The Pirates need talent up and down the system.

Now, on to Pedro and Scheppers.

Rich wrote re: Draft update: Sixth-rounder Grossman signs for $1 million
on Fri, Aug 15 2008 12:13 AM

Dk,

Wheres the updates man?  Gagnon, Schneppers at least?