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Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th

By Dejan Kovacevic | 11:40 a.m. Wednesday

PHOENIX - Dirty Doug vs. Big Unit, and they left this one off your TV schedule?

That happened last time, too, right?

Sure did. That was the afternoon of June 9 at PNC Park, when Ryan Doumit declared afterward, "We weren't going to get pushed around in our own house. Especially by Randy Johnson."

Oh, it IS on TV? Well, never mind. I will do some live-blogging this afternoon, anyway.

Getting ready ...

Game: Pirates (51-62) vs. Arizona Diamondbacks (59-54), 3:40 p.m., Chase Field.

TV, radio: FSN Pittsburgh, WPGB-FM (104.7).

Pitching: RHP Jeff Karstens (1-0, 0.00) vs. LHP Randy Johnson (9-7, 4.35).

What to watch: Thinking left-on-left might keep Mientkiewicz out of the lineup? Think again. He has six career plate appearances against Johnson, two singles and two walks. Besides, how would that look?

Weather: What time is that flight again?

Pirates' lineup: 1. Chris Gomez 3B. 2. Mientkiewicz. 3. Freddy Sanchez 2B. 4. Jason Michaels CF. 5. Brandon Moss LF. 6. Steve Pearce RF. 7. Raul Chavez C. 8. Jack Wilson SS. 9. Karstens.

Diamondbacks' lineup: 1. Stephen Drew SS. 2. Orlando Hudson 2B. 3. Conor Jackson LF. 4. Chad Tracy 1B. 5. Mark Reynolds 3B. 6. Chris Young CF. 7. Alex Romero RF. 8. Chris Snyder C. 9. Johnson.

UPDATE 1:35 p.m.: Mientkiewicz will play and bat second.

2:21 p.m., pregame stuff: Nate McLouth is getting his first day off since July 4. No kidding. Ryan Doumit off for the first time since July 27. Obviously, John Russell's plan is to get them back-to-back days off and be fresh for Philadelphia. ... Ian Snell is feeling better. Adam LaRoche ran again. Jason Davis did a really long side session. ... Place wound slightly tighter than usual for a day game.

3:01 p.m.: I see some discussion below about Jose Bautista. Do not over-think it. The Pirates see him as a utility player, and it is possible they have seen him that way for quite a while but had no one else to play third base until now. Remember, this is a semi-young player who was being platooned at his own position with Mientkiewicz, who never had played there and who has trouble making throws across the diamond. It will take some doing, one would think, to shift that thinking. And that goes on Bautista's end, too. He sees himself as a starter and wants a chance.

3:32 p.m.: No Superfan today. Maybe she has a job.

3:39 p.m.: Unit takes mound. Worlds tremble.

3:41 p.m.: There goes Chris Gomez, groundout. Here comes Doug, not exactly trembling.

3:42 p.m.: Doug stepped out before first pitch. Classic.

3:44 p.m.: There was an 0-2 pitch right by his head, followed immediately by a groundout. It was purposeful, too, as catcher. Chris Snyder actually stood up during the delivery.

3:53 p.m.: Karstens will need to do better to hang around in this game. He just finished with two outs crushed to the track. Orlando Hudston's ball to the 413-foot mark in center was one of the loudest outs you will ever hear.

4:12 p.m.: There goes the no-hitter ... for either pitcher. And it was Karstens getting his first major league hit, going the other way with a line-drive single.

4:13 p.m.: Man, this place is quiet. Seriously. When they do the between-innings music, it is such a contrast that it jolts you back in your seat. And there probably are 21,000 here. ... Doug will lead off the fourth.

4:19 p.m.: Karstens is settling, and doing so nicely. Just froze Alex Romero with a 91-mph fastball -- very confident-looking -- that did not cause Raul Chavez to move his mitt a millimeter. Might explain why, when I talked to Karstens in Chicago the other day after what most everyone else saw as a good outing, all he could talk about was being disappointed in the four walks.

4:23 p.m.: Here we go again. Doug's second AB.

4:24 p.m.: Two pitches, groundout. Maybe both guys just showed up to play.

4:25 p.m.: Impressive home run by Freddy Sanchez. Johnson threw an 0-2 fastball 90 mph over the outside corner, and Sanchez got full extension to pull it deep into the home bullpen beyond left. Estimated 372 feet. Eighth home for him. 1-0.

4:36 p.m.: One thing about Karstens -- and that one thing would be higher than Arizona's hit total through four innings -- that the Pirates probably will like even when he does not pitch well: This kid appears to have no fear. He is throwing all four pitches for strikes, and it appears he could not care less that they are hit hard or not. Just gets outs. A very jarring sight after much of the other pitching all of us have watched this summer.

4:38 p.m.: Am I the only one who thinks Steve Pearce looks overmatched at this level? He is now 3 for 13 with five strikeouts, and a couple of those strikeouts have been grisly.

4:48 p.m.: Talk about a charmed life. Two more balls to the track in the very deep center here, but still perfect through five innings. ... Yes, perfect.

4:56 p.m.: Mientkiewicz rifles a single through the box in his third and what surely will be final at-bat against Johnson on the day. Edge: Mientkiewicz.

5:06 p.m.: Six innings now. This is starting to get serious.

5:11 p.m.: There have been no perfect games in the Pirates' 122 years, though Harvey Haddix memorably threw 12 perfect innings May 26, 1959, before losing in the 13th. There have been seven no-hitters, none since Francisco Cordova and Ricardo Rincon's combined gem July 12, 1997.

5:19 p.m.: Seven in the books: Karstens rifles through the top of Arizona's order, getting Drew to pop up, striking out Hudson on high heat after the count went full and getting Jackson to fly out.

5:21 p.m.: There goes Jack Wilson, giving Arizona ideas by trying -- and failing -- to get down a bunt single to start the eighth. For the record, Drew briefly squared up to bunt with the first offering of the seventh.

5:24 p.m.: OK, really, one last time for Doug and Unit. And Doug again gets the better of him with a double into the right corner. Game, set, match: Mientkiewicz. That was the hit that knocked Johnson out of the game. 2-0, Pirates. Best of all for the Pirates, Karstens is back in the dugout rather than on the basepaths.

5:28 p.m.: Every player in the Pirates' dugout, just below here, is on the top step. But that is not the thing: Most of the ones who are not playing have not moved from their specific spot at the top step. That includes John Russell.

5:32 p.m.: Six more outs to go, beginning with the heart of the order. And these are the guys who have been hitting the ball to the tracks: Tracy, Reynolds and Young. If Karstens gets through these three ...

5:34 p.m.: The infielders are way more nervous than Karstens. You should see these guys fidgeting. Interesting, too, that Russell has better defensive guys on the bench, but that would be a huge no-no to be changing anything now.

5:36 p.m.: Told you they were nervous. Gomez barely got that ball across the infield for the second out.

5:37 p.m.: There it goes. Chris Young doubles into the left-field corner with two outs in the eighth. Perfect game, no-hitter gone. Mientkiewicz gathers everyone on the mound to settle Karstens.

5:38 p.m.: Romero grounds out, so Karstens will have to settle simply for one of the best games pitched in franchise history if he can get through the ninth. ... Oh, and the dugout guys finally moved. Some of them even got near Karstens. ... Zero recognition from the Arizona crowd for Karstens.

5:43 p.m.: The big sombrero for Pearce: Four swinging strikeouts. Moss has fared little better just ahead of him with three Ks.

5:45 p.m.: Anyone anticipating giddy excitement from Karstens after this will be disappointed. He is quiet as they come. All business. ... Someone on the PA system just advised the crowd to make some noise.

5:52 p.m.: Augie Ojedo drew a full-count walk to lead off the Arizona ninth, with Karstens flying open on a couple pitches. Tony Clark, another pinch-hitter, just grounded into a 1-6-3 double play. One wonders if Karstens needed that to stay in the game. It was his 106th pitch, and the game is on the line.

5:55 p.m.: Drew singles, but Hudson is robbed of a hit by a diving Mientkiewicz -- who else? -- to finish the two-hit shutout for Karstens. It is his first major league shutout, his second as a professional. He struck out four, walked one and threw 72 of 113 pitches for strikes. Not bad. More from the clubhouse in a bit. ... Oh, and Pirates win, 2-0.


Posted Aug 06 2008, 11:40 AM by Dejan Kovacevic

Comments

Jeff wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 11:50 AM

DK, There is TV for today on FSN Pittsburgh.

JHadar wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 11:53 AM

I'll take Doug by TKO in the second!

Tried to post this to earlier article, but hit a wrong key, had to restart and didn't notice that my browser had slipped down to the last article.  A few people were griping about Nutting's generosity--or lack thereof and other pocketbook issues.  (And, Dejan, balanced scheduling with interleague play and 15 team leagues is child's play, you just have to have interleague play all year.)  Anyway, Ctrl+V yields:

I agree with something Dejan wrote a few days ago -- it's impossible to evaluate these trades in just a few games, it will take a couple of years.  For now they look good to me, and so does Huntington -- but really only time will tell.

Meanwhile it's time for a little game of "let's fix baseball"

My proposals.

1) Salary cap

2) Salary/Capitalization Floor

3) Same rules for both leagues.  Specifically regarding the DH -- kill the abomination.  But fix any other little differences, too.  Even if they're not in the rulebook, like the ways the umpires stand in the leagues.  

4) Balance the divisions (Three 5-team divisions for each league.  Send the Brewers back to the AL)

5) Balance the schedules so that each team in each division plays exactly the same teams the same number of times.  I've heard the argument that you can't have interleague play with 15 teams in each league, but it's hogwash.  Pair each of the divisions with one other division so that everybody plays a 3-game series with everyone else.  That would take 27 games.  Do it 6 times, that takes 162 games.  In a year you would play 18 games (72) against the four other teams in your own division.  6 games (60) against the 10 other teams in your league and 30 interleague games (the schedule would work if you played one division twice, and changed divisions every year, or if you played two divisions once and changed the division you didn't play every year.)

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 11:56 AM

This one IS being televised.

All this talk about State College got me looking closer at our overall minor league performance this year. Our combined winning percentage is .422  Since the 2002 Minor league season that would qualify as the worst combined winning percentage of any of the 30 franchises.  The Breakdown of the worst is:

2002 Baltimore- .434

2003 Montreal-.442

2004 Montreal- .423

2005 Philadelphia- .429

2006 Texas- .423

2007 Houston- .441

2008 Our Heros-  .422   Thru 8/5

There is still hope.

Cave Bonifield wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:12 PM

Hadar

I like your suggestions but they are road blocked by a very strong Players Association.

The DH was a plague sown upon baseball soon after the pitching dominated 1968 season.  The mound was lowered and the DH appeared, ruining AL baseball.  Thank goodness the NL never adopted it.  It is a game with less strategy, less nuance, less atheletic ability needed by its pitchers and DH"s, and much less interesting

JHadar wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:16 PM

.001 to catch Montreal.  Wasn't that when MLB owned them?

48jj wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:17 PM

More weather complaints?

Seriously, until you sit at a desk 5 days a week doing the same thing over and over again, then just enjoy being out and about in these other cities.

Luke Wassam wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:18 PM

Hader, Amen to #5, it's hard to look at the pennant races as anything more than a joke when the teams racing each other aren't even playing against the same competition.

Jerm wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:20 PM

Im surprised that dirt ball doug is even going to show up.. I really did not expect him to be in the line up today.. maybe come in after the big uni is out

kreppsie wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:20 PM

as noted, it is on TV.  My schedule from the cable company lists today as non televised but it is on.  Must be a game they picked up as a replacement from when the Bucs were bumped by the Pens.

JHadar wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:21 PM

Cave wrote "I like your suggestions but they are road blocked by a very strong Players Association."

I have often noticed that there is a great gap between the way things are and they way things ought to be.  

Cisco Kid wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:28 PM

Jerm, do you really think Eyechart is afraid of Johnson, or are you just trolling?

Buckles wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:29 PM

FSN broadcasting a weekday afternoon game?  Parish the thought!  It must have been picked up recently, as I can remember Lanny saying as recently as Sunday it wouldn't be on.  

And maybe it also has to do with the Steelers being on on Friday.

Jerm wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:35 PM

I couldnt even imagine something more ridiculous than the DH.. whats next get rid of pitchers and put in pitching machines like at a batting cage?

Jerm wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:43 PM

I didnt think russel would put doug in the line up.. to say it lightly he isnt one to start arguments and he doesnt seem like he wants to be part of anything controversal..

pirateradio wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:11 PM

Go Doug Go!

Lauren wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:14 PM

Mientkiewicz probably convinced Russell to let him be in the lineup. Look at it this way: what would we be saying if he wasn't in the lineup? Should be interesting, especially since this one really is being televised...

Can we call Mientkiewicz Pittsburgh's new almost-Gary Roberts? (I say almost because there's no way WWGRD will ever be replaceable)

PittFan85 wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:20 PM

What happens first? A pitch high and tight or Mientkiewicz  calling time midway through Johnson's wind up?

PittFan85 wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:20 PM

What happens first? A pitch high and tight or Mientkiewicz  calling time midway through Johnson's wind up?

superpunk wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:46 PM

What's up with Randy's teeth??? He should be a poly-grip spokesman.

Maddamma wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:53 PM

To 48jj:  My father worked for Xerox for 40 years and did extensive travelling.  He loved his job but hated the travel - mostly being away from the family.  Of course the illusion was he had nothing but free time, but very rarely did he have an opportunity to explore the many exotic places he visited.  Judging from the time stamps on Dejan's blog posts, I seriously doubt that he has much time to immerse himself in the culture of these various cities - unless he has a favorite place for breakfast or lunch.  Plus, I've been in that kind of heat in Dallas, Houston, and Phoenix - it is downright oppressive, particularly if you're visiting.

Cisco Kid wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:59 PM

Hey Lauren, easily done, it's WWED or WWMD or even WWDD (for Eyechart, Minky, or Doug respectively) or maybe WWDDD for Dirty Doug. GR is gone and PGH loves that kind of player and Doug is still here so why not replaceable? I'd go for WWDD since it's alliterative.

Maddamma wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:59 PM

Dejan, It used to be commonplace for beat writers to travel with the teams they covered.  I seem to recall you mentioning once in a Q&A that you travel separate from the team.  Do you ever travel with the team?  If you do not travel with the team, is that an editorial decision to help maintain professional distance or is it a liability issue with the PBC or the PG?  Just curious.

Cisco Kid wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:01 PM

Waitaminit - Nate and Doumit both riding the pine? Heckuva a load to put on Karstens. What's the logic for this?

superpunk wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:05 PM

Cisco; not to mention taking out Bautista for Gomez?!?! What, is Jose tired after playing two days in a row? Seems like we're throwing this kid away.

Cisco Kid wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:08 PM

And Gomez starting? J Bautista must be so far in the doghouse all you see is chain. That ol' "accountability" rearing its head again?

Maddamma wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:09 PM

Today might not be the best day to make sure that everyone has had a chance to play but I can see why Russell, with the off day tomorrow, would want to get his two best hitters some rest.  It's not like this game would get them within a 1/2 game of the wild card spot.

Lauren wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:14 PM

WWDMD has a good ring to it.

superpunk wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:19 PM

I think that it says something when you draft and/or trader for what, 7 third baseman including your first rounder and you trade for someone elses #1 prospect who is a third also? Sounds to me like Joey Bats does not fit into the future plans. DK, any word on if there is anything he did or didn't do to get the cold shoulder?

Cisco Kid wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:22 PM

No, it wouldn't - but isn't there some obligation on the part of the manager to put together the lineup that has the best chance of winning? Would you sit three starters (if you still consider Bautista a starter - at least he was until recently) on the same day? One, maybe even two, but three? What do I know, but it just feels like waving the white flag before Unit even warms up.

I'll stick with WWDD. The extra M makes it more of a tonguetwister to me. But to each his/her own!

Dejan Kovacevic wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:27 PM

Never travel with the team. That is standard newspaper practice, so there is no tie whatsoever to the team. In the instances in other sports where there is travel with the team, the team is reimbursed for fair-market value for the ticket.

But no, I book all my own travel, planes and hotels and everything.

superpunk wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:28 PM

When we got him back in the trade he was said to be able to play everywhere but pitcher and catcher, he's a streaky hitter but to me has always seemed adequate versus the bench alternatives of the past so let the kid platoon all over the field and play more than sit. He has a good arm, decent glove, speed could be an issue but c'mon...sitting him for weeks on end doesn't help him or the club.

DemonDachshund wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:37 PM

Guessing Doumit is sitting because it's a day game after a night game...  Nate is likely sitting because the Unit is rough on lefties and looking up his stats, he's hitting .244 w/ a .316 OBP against them.  Can't say I always agree with choices like that, but there are numbers to support it at least.  Bautista, I can't explain other than this is how they've treated him all year.

bmcelhinny wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:47 PM

@Lauren and Cisco Kid:

I wrote a post titled "WWDMD a few weeks ago!

raisethejollyroger21.blogspot.com/.../wwdmd.html

diehard wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:54 PM

Maybe Bautista's issues have something to do with, oh, that .240 career average in August, .183 in Septmeber.  And the fact that, other than Zone Rating, he's in the bottom third of EVERY statistical fielding category among NL 3B's.  Just a guess.

Look at this year, outside of six weeks from June to the break, he's been about a .200 hitter for the season.

Kilroy wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:15 PM

Kill the DH?  Oh yeah, it's just so fun watching a pitcher hit.

Baywatch wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:19 PM

Hey, as high strung as Dirty Doug is, I'll bet if Big Unit throws him a hight and tight first pitch, he'll find a way to break Johnson in half before the field is swarmed.

And I'm sure his disciple Doumit will be right behind him to throw a Jonny Gomes cheap shot as The Unit is writhing on the ground, calling for his stretcher!

Roschke wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:26 PM

I'm hoping Karstens rises to the occasion today and shows us something special. He's got four pitches and he uses the off speed one a lot keeping the hitters off balance.  Location is key. Against the Cubs he kept the ball down.

Chewie wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:26 PM

DK - please tell your mod to spread the wealth around just a tad on the Monday chats.  I counted 3 questions answered from a single user within the first 10 or so.  Many other had multiple questions answered as well.  Seemed more like a private chat at times than a public forum.  Rant over.

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:31 PM

Doug ain't ascaired of Randy Johnson. Bet he calls time at least once in his mid-game at-bat.

While Ryan Doumit is actually not a mere mortal, after the game he had to catch for Herrera and the string of guys that came in after him Monday, he deserves the day off behind the dish - but don't discount him as a PH, please, JR.

The DH helped ruin the game of baseball - if you're not athletic enough to bunt or run to base, you shouldn't be in the game. Period.

Chewie wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:32 PM

I doubt there's another team in the league Bautista start for and he needs to realize that.  The power the Pirates waited for has never materialized - his subpar BA, OBP%, and SLG% are basically the same over the past 3 years (amazingly so) so I'm convinced he's reached his ceiling.  JB is what he is and he should consider himself lucky to have the "super utility" role once Andy LaRoche is healed up.

Dejan Kovacevic wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:38 PM

Pin the chat thing on me. The first few Qs that pop in are the ones that people file as early as 6 a.m., and I should have done a better job of picking through them once the moderator cleared them. Didn't notice that happened until afterward.

Chewie wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:43 PM

Thanks, DK.  I feel like a jerk even bringing the chat thing up as I appreciate you even doing it.  Just something I noticed.  Time to enjoy (?) the game!

phillyjake wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:44 PM

Freddy batting third?  Is Jim Tracy back?

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:49 PM

phillyjake - don't even joke about that.

Pirata13 wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:50 PM

Hahaha!  Oh, Doug, stepping out before the first pitch? I love this man....

ChicoLindsGhost wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:54 PM

Things are looking bad in Astroland.  The Cubbies are pounding the ball and look on their way to taking 2 out of 3 from everyone's favorite 4th place team.  Obviously, the Astros need to trade for more veterans.

meestro wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:54 PM

We seriously need to give Doug a contract now.  At least if the team isn't winning we still have him to entertain us.

Pirata13 wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:02 PM

Meestro--I concur.

juan pizarro wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:07 PM

***today's hot trade rumor : "Buc's trade for 3-time MVP"

ok, it's Tampa Bay and Bret Favre, but just had to add some excitement here..............

Pitchfork at the Door wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:10 PM

DK: Have you spoken to Mientkiewicz about his cult like following here in the 'Burg?  Has he expressed any indication of whether he would be willing to re-up with the Buc's and babysit the youngsters during the PBC's rebuilding?

scottauth wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:13 PM

If the Pirates were decent Mientkiewicz would be their version of Gary Roberts. He already could be, but not enough people care.

phillyjake wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:15 PM

DK:  Is Karstens just giving them stuff to hit, and they're just missing?

Jeff Tatusko wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:22 PM

Dejan--looks like (from the computer) a lot of Karstens' pitches (balls) are inside. Please tell me this is intentional, and that he can teach the rest of the staff to do it.

phillyjake wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:25 PM

FREDDY!

phillyjake wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:36 PM

They just put the Freddy HR on Gameday.  Nice to watch it!

Matt Wein wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:39 PM

DK -

Maybe consider a "live blog" tag for stuff like this? Other than that, I think the only thing this blog is missing is the coveted "food metaphors" label.

Maz wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Mientkiewicz in lineup vs. Unit
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:48 PM

Good thing these fly balls are going to the deep part of the park...

GrahamKoonce'ssweetpackagedeal wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through five
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:56 PM

Way to jinx it Dejan... we do have the ability to check the box score... I feel a single followed by a homer for the snakes (will be your fault Dejan)

From DC wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through five
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:57 PM

This is amazing.  If the game were televised in Washington, I would be leaving work right now to go watch it.  Remind me again why Comcast has to charge $128/year for a single live baseball game, but is willing to offer (among other things) the 2007 Youngstown State at Northern Iowa football game for free?

Rich_in_Madison wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:08 PM

Lanny and Walk have been jinxing it for about an inning now, so Dejan is off the hook...  maybe.

GrahamKoonce'ssweetpackagedeal wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:08 PM

No soup for the Koonce man

dulskib wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:11 PM

Someone needs to tell Karstens that the eye black goes below the eye.

KMRempel22 wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:11 PM

I'm afraid to keep watching....WOW!!!

And NO, Dejan, you are not the only one who thinks Pearce looks overmatched.  Looks like a Little Leaguer playing on the big diamond for the first time.  In contrast, Brandon Moss looks like he's been here a long while.

JRoth wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:12 PM

I haven't seen any of Pearce's at-bats, but I think it might be a bit early to declare him overmatched at this level - the level he's seen has primarily consisted of Zambrano and Johnson.

Maybe he needs some ABs against Herrera and JVB in order to get healthy.

Pitchfork at the Door wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:12 PM

Another bad strike out for Pearce DK?

G-Man wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:14 PM

DK -

Your observation about Pearce may be grossly understated. He just struck out for the third time, albeit a foul tip. Maybe he needs some batting practice against JVB to buoy his confidence.

Drunken Pirate wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:15 PM

Wish Karstens could get some run support...

I'm hoping someday Comcast and/or MLBTV will due a pay per game deal. Living on the west coast there's no reason to pay for a full season when Pirates games start before I can watch them, but I'd be willing to pay per game.

BiffPocoroba wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:15 PM

What's with Lanny?  He used to go WAY, WAY out of his way to not mention a no-no in progress.  Has he gone bizarro-Costanza on us or what???

meestro wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:15 PM

I've only been listening on the radio in the car until now.  Is this pitching performance really looking legit?

GrahamKoonce'ssweetpackagedeal wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:18 PM

What's Smizik think of NH's trades now?

WizImp wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:18 PM

The thing about Pearce is he may be a little lacking in confidence right now.  Remember, the man hit .294 in 73 plate appearances last year (with only 12 strikeouts) so he has already shown he's capable of hitting major league pitching (he just hasn't shown he can do it consistently yet).  

BiffPocoroba wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:19 PM

Walky just got excited about the Hudson KO, maybe the first time since the '80 World Series.  How about that!

phillyjake wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:19 PM

Shoot.  I need to leave work to get the kids.

This is the first time, I think ever, I'm not in a rush to get out of here.

KMRempel22 wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through six
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:19 PM

SEVEN!!!!!   OMG!!!

Rich_in_Madison wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:19 PM

Karstens is killing me...  It's almost time for me to leave work and I won't be hearing anything but Brett Favre talk on the ride home here in Wisconsin.  I'll be breaking some speed limits to get home and get MLB TV going again!

GrahamKoonce'ssweetpackagedeal wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:20 PM

Any ideas on how to trick my carpool into stopping to watch this at a sports bar (without uttering any specifics of course)?

meestro wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:21 PM

This guy seems to know how to swing a bat too!  Are you kidding me?

GrahamKoonce'ssweetpackagedeal wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:21 PM

http://espn.go.com/

Top story on ESPN is jinxing us as well

Drunken Pirate wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:22 PM

I think Smizik would say it is one game...which it is. But stil, this is pretty cool. Glad DK is there to document it...

GrahamKoonce'ssweetpackagedeal wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:22 PM

2 hits for Karstens too?

meestro wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:22 PM

Look at his face.  How is so calm?

G-Man wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:23 PM

DKI -

What is the situation regarding Karstens' pitch count? Are the Bucs going to be so anal about adhering to the pitch count issue that they take Karstens out if he is still pitching a no-hitter/perfect game when he reaches the threshhold?

From DC wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:23 PM

Two hits for Karstens, zero for Arizona.  Why am I confident that Jim Tracy would have pinch-hit for him?

SRC22 wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:24 PM

Greg Brown should be fired...he is ridiculous. You would think that Walky would tell him to shut up. Just report on the action. No need for commentary on how amazing this is and "this is Jeff Karstens day!" I am really growing tired of him. There is enthusiasm and there is insanity...he walks a very fine line.

meestro wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:26 PM

Wow am I glad this game is televised.

Pitchfork at the Door wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:26 PM

Advantage Dougie!!!!!!

Drunken Pirate wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:27 PM

He's at 82 pitches...pitch count is no problem. Only way it becomes one is if he starts walking guys and giving up hits, in which case no reason to keep him in.

PittFan85 wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:28 PM

I am just happy someone is cutting the bullpen some slack.

Southside Slopes Matt wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:28 PM

Randy Johnson's mullet JUST made it back to the dugout.

meestro wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:29 PM

Yeah, SRC22, I agree with you, like when he called that Jason Michaels walk-off home run.  Although, I don't think he's crossed over it today.  Besides, I do find it pretty enjoyable to listen to some actual enthusiasm concerning the Pirates.

Rich wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens perfect through seven
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:30 PM

Regardless of the outcome it actually likes, like DK mentions above, that we actually have a pitcher who is not afraid to throw his stuff.

meestro wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens' perfect game ends with two outs in eighth on Young double
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:38 PM

Well, at least it wasn't something unlucky like an infield hit or something.

Southside Slopes Matt wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens' perfect game ends with two outs in eighth on Young double
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:38 PM

Way to go, Jinx Brown.

go21bucs wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens' perfect game ends with two outs in eighth on Young double
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:39 PM

****!  what a shame.

GREAT all-around effort, jeff karstens!  welcome to the club and I hope that you start to rub off on the rest of our starting pitchers.

agreed about greg brown -- talk about a jinxer.

Pitchfork at the Door wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens' perfect game ends with two outs in eighth on Young double
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:41 PM

No recognition from the Arizona crowd?  Really?  Classless!!!

meestro wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens' perfect game ends with two outs in eighth on Young double
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:42 PM

No, I'm gonna go ahead and blame this on the fact that ESPN was actually paying attention to the Pirates game.

SRC22 wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens' perfect game ends with two outs in eighth on Young double
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:43 PM

Thats what I like about Karstens...he pitches to contact. Snell and Gorzo need to subscribe to the same theory.

Pearce looks WAY WAY WAY overmatched. I say Michaels or McCutcheon in right the rest of the way.

meestro wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens' perfect game ends with two outs in eighth on Young double
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:44 PM

Wow, Pearce.  Not since Bixler's first few games at the start of the season, have I seen somebody so unable to adapt to major league pitching.

Pitchfork at the Door wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens' perfect game ends with two outs in eighth on Young double
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:44 PM

Another Pearce K.  Ouch!

go21bucs wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens' perfect game ends with two outs in eighth on Young double
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:48 PM

interesting comment about the crowd, DK.  

jinxer brown said, as the FSN cameras panned over the crowd, that they WERE applauding karstens.

or -- were they just applauding the fact that a dback finally reached base?

hmmmm...

one more thing -- good job today, mr. WWDMD!

meestro wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens' perfect game ends with two outs in eighth on Young double
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:53 PM

Double Play!  Yep.  He may not be expressing too much emotion, but boy does he want this complete game.

SRC22 wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens' perfect game ends with two outs in eighth on Young double
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:53 PM

Chavez catches a really good game. I am not saying I don't like Doumit, he is getting better. The days of a thick and slow catcher like Chavez are over, but he really has a great feel behind the plate. I would assume Doumit's progress behind the plate has a lot to do with Russell, but maybe even more to do with Chavez.

Roschke wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens' perfect game ends with two outs in eighth on Young double
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:57 PM

Best start by a Pirate pitcher in looonnnng time.

go21bucs wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens' perfect game ends with two outs in eighth on Young double
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:58 PM

wow, nice finish -- WWDMD with the diving stop!

whoever scouted karstens for us -- a tip of the cap to ya.  this kid is like ice.

do the yanks have any more good pitching prospects we can steal -- I mean - acquire?

GetYoungTalent wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:00 PM

When was the last time a Pirate pitcher had the same number of hits than he allowed?  Watched much of the game, not sure what makes this guy special.  I guess it is the superb command.  15 scoreless innings to start his Bucco career.  not too shabby

Plenty of Hope wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:00 PM

Jeff  Andrews should have kissed Karstens full on the lips right on the infield. Thank you, No. 38!

apk wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:02 PM

Heck of a day to do a liveblog, DK-- great job. Great game by Karstens, tough break for Pearce- but you can't sit him. It's now or never to find out if he can hit up here.

Wabbit_Season wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:08 PM

DAMN.

Baywatch wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:09 PM

Guys, I'm so happy ... but I gotta go to work! Just wanted to say something ... really big for the old Fran(chise, that is!).

Lauren wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:11 PM

Hours later, but bmcelhinny - didn't see that; great post... I guess we're three weeks too late.

That was fun to watch and I'm glad it was on TV. Sucks that people jinxed it.

KMRempel22 wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:13 PM

Hmmmm...think the Yanks will want him back?  Joba just went on the DL.  Boo hoo!!

OfficerMancuso wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:13 PM

I hear rumors that there was a magnitude 7.0 earthquake over Bob Prince's grave this evening - the Gunner was excited! Who wouldn't be? When's the last time a Pirate pitcher was perfect through  7? Candelaria? Ellis on acid? Tim Wakefield got one out away from a few no-hitters, if I recall, but not perfect games.

Kudos, first of all, to Karstens! And second of all, with each passing day I am more impressed with the work being done by GM Neal Huntington.

Go Bucs!

pdxpirate wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:17 PM

I can see why the Yankee's GM has lingering buyer's remorse.  Welcome Jeff Karstens.

Where did this guy learn to pitch?  It certainly was not in our organization!

B_Distefano wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:26 PM

Sit Pearce and get Bonds out there in right field.  Then hold a throwback game where he has to dress like he did in the late 80's.  Now that's entertainment.

aglebagel wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:31 PM

Someone earlier just mentioned this in passing, but now I'm really curious-

How many guys in the history of the game do you suppose have gotten as many base hits as they've allowed through a complete game?

Pretty cool.

Maddamma wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:38 PM

Wasn't supposed to be home today, but one of my kids was sick.  If there was a silver lining it was being able to catch the game on TV.    I thought that Michaels gave us the memory for the year with his walkoff blast against Houston, but Karstens might have tied him - even though he didn't get the perfect game or the no-no.  What a gem!  In control the whole way.  He and Duke did a great job the last two games and, with the day off tomorrow, the bullpen should be fully rested for Philly.

OfficerMancuso wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:50 PM

"Sit Pearce and get Bonds out there in right field.  Then hold a throwback game where he has to dress like he did in the late 80's.  Now that's entertainment."

And make Bonds wear the same size hat he wore back then.

wozzle wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 7:07 PM

For those upthread looking for a WW(insert inits here) for Dirty Doug, I'd go with WWDD, but he'd have to change his number to 40....

What a game.  I'd love to have eight Eyecharts in position and a Bob Moose clone pitching - think Karstens might meet that challenge?

Jerm wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 7:14 PM

Gorzelanny and Mccutchen both need to be brought up and i cant wait for the Laroches to take the cornors back over..

and any word on Paulino?

Maz wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 7:43 PM

No mention of the game and Karstens performance on ESPN's front page.  No love...

NealHeaton wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 7:45 PM

Perfect game ruined?  That would never happen to me.  Just look at this mustache.

aglebagel wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:27 PM

Yeah, but it is the top video on the MLB page of ESPN.com

omar_moreno wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Thu, Aug 7 2008 1:05 AM

I have to disagree with the "no recognition from the Arizona crowd" observation.  Watching on TV, they panned the crowd after the double and most were standing and applauding -- and I don't think it was for the double.

Regardless, it made for great theater on the radio for the ride home and then I caught the last two innings on stunningly low-definition FSN.  Great game to take in -- the kind that we don't see enough of (edge of your seat, living and dying with every pitch).

HighPlainsDrifter38 wrote re: Today: Pirates-Diamondbacks, 8-6-08; Karstens gets shutout after perfect game ends in 8th
on Thu, Aug 7 2008 7:43 AM

aglebagel - In 1971 Rick Wise of the Phillies no-hit the Reds (Rose, Bench, Perez, etc) and hit two home runs in the game.