Rationing exists

Good point Duane....drum up the "evil insurance companies" mantra to get the left all fired up and ignore the message that someone other than a communist liberal may have on the health care reform act......you must have taken a page out of Obama's book on building consensus and reaching across the isle - "we won and therefore, we will do whatever I say...oh yeah, and reaching across the isle, blah blah blah"

You and the other liberals in your party's ignorance of the other side of the spectrum on this issue sure has worked well...so well in fact that in a short 12 month span, the liberals lost two states gubernatorial races right after Obama carried them (and campaigned for them too)....then again, your arrogance will probably allow you to ignore those results because the key libs are still in power...for now...

THE VOICES OF THE CONSERVATIVES WERE HEARD LAST NIGHT.  LET THE SHOW BEGIN.

And about Sarah Palin:

She came out for the two Rep. candidates for governors who WON last night.  Obama came out for the two Dem. governor candidates who LOST last night.

Now who's voice war heard?  And for the completely dense on this site - duh - it was Palin's voice that was heard - not Obama's.

It's going to be a bumpy ride Dubya.

You know but - should have read Now who's voice "was" heard?  But it was nice to get to say it again!

Oh my goodness - I'm just so giddy with happiness this morning - the dems are now saying they don't think they will have a health bill until next year.  Surprise, surprise!

And one more thing:

YES WE CAN!

myreply -

You weren't up all night, were you?

Get some rest.

"Those of us who have studied the issue know that it is all nonsense, of course."

Gotta love that good old fashioned liberal elitism. It's working so well for them too as last night proved.

Wow, My reply, you sure are exuberant for someone who has identified him/her self as an independent. :)

S Palin don't know what she don't know.  She just likes to be the center of attention and fools such as myreply are taken in by her stupidity.

Kevin:

I'm a registered Ind. and a conservative in my values and thinking.

I'm happy about last night because the "conservative" voice was heard.  For all who dissed the Tea Parties this summer - it is their time of reckoning.

40% of Americans say they are conservative - 20% liberal (no wonder they are saying progressive now).

Myreply,

I find nothing about last night exciting.  The only thing it proved is that everyone assumed Obama was lying about what he said he intended to do because he's a politician.  When he and his liberal zombies actually tried to do what he said he was going to do, this was the reaction.  Hopefully the reaction will continue until the next election, which should be an enema that will get rid of every Liberal and Liberal-lite Republican.

Stclair:

Geez Franki - evidently the voters were taken in by her "stupidity" too.  Stupid like a fox.  Cry baby!

I don't get it.  With all that is going on and the people involved, we still have someone sending a letter to editor about Sarah. Wow, what an admission they are lost and clueless.

Anybody who pays attention to what Sarah Palin has to say about anything, is already lost.

Myreply is all giddy believing conservatives are back.  We are only ten months removed from eight years of gross incompetency from an administration led by a certified "boob", and a republican congress which was only too willing to give away the store to corporate America.

I seriously doubt most Americans want to return to those dark days.

I must be one of the few conservatives (although I consider my self to be a moderate conservative) who can't stand Palin...I think what Obama and the liberals (I can't even call them democrats) are doing to this country is a travesty by pushing us in a socialistic direction, but as I've said before and I will say it again.....If she is the nominee for the Republican Pary in 2012, then the libs should rejoice because it will be 4 more years of "change" secretly disguised as the status quo (fancy speeches, lies, deceipt, backtracking, etc.....).  

The only way to stop the severe retardation of America is to get the republicans in charge of the senate (or keep the dems there if a republican president wins) so that there is some semblence of balance and a true representation of the American view as a whole....that is the only way true consensus will be built. (as evidenced by Obama's "We Won" comment which translates into, I can do whatever I want, even if 49% of the American people disagree with me)

While the White House and "Rush" conservatives will dispute both sides of this, I don't think the votes on Tuesday were a referendum on Obama, but rather I think the voters spoke loud and clear as to the impact of having one party in control of the whole political decision process....

myreply - Did the voters have any say in who the republicians nominated for vice-president?  I don't think so.  McCain himself didn't really know much about Palin except that he thought he would get a lot of the women's votes by having her on the ticket.  If McCain had done a little due diligence he would have seen that Palin was a dim bulb but he knew a lot of the dim bulbs (republicians) in this contry would vote for him and her because they are red-necked racists!

Peace, I would love to believe you are right about what would happen if Palin wins the Republican nomination, but I've been shocked by how my fellow Americans have voted enough times (I thought Nixon was crazy to even run for re-election) to have a healthy fear of her possibly winning.

allablaze - Don't be one of those uneducated morons who equates the term "Republican" with the term "Conservative". Those are two VERY different things. The "dark days" of the past 8 years were led by people who betrayed many of the conservative principles. You also like to gang up on Palin and Bush, but I'd love to hear your one-year assessment of the messiah Obama and all his broken promises. Do you have the guts to give us an honest opinion on that?

Blazeboy....you bring up a good point...."Anybody who pays attention to what Sarah Palin has to say about anything, is already lost."  but you forgot to finish your point so allow me to help you out...and, "Anybody who pays attention to what Obama had to say about anything, is naive and subject to the power of pursuasion versus substance".....

St. Clair....now, now, no need to generalize and call all republicans red neck racists....how would you like it if you and all the other liberals were classified as communists, radicals, socialists, hippies, baby murderers, anarchists, clueless, uneducated, poor, mentally challenged, cult followers, beggars, leeches, lazy, anti-family, stupid, union hacks, have-someone-else-pay-for-it-because-I-want-it-but-dont-want-to-contribute, jealous-of-people-who-have-good-jobs-and-worked-hard-to-get-their-without-understanding-the-sacrifices-necessary-to-get-what-they-got, and last but not least hypocrites.  You might get a little defensive if you didn't fall into these categories (as we've seen you do in previous postings)....after all, I thought the left was the party of rightousness, of "political correctness", of "we are better than you are and won't resort to your scare tactics", of "you shouldn't make fun of people who are different than you", of "cumbaya", of "everyone should be treated with respect", blah blah blah, you get my point hypocrite.

allablaze-  that's a list I would also like to see.  Enough about Bush and Palin.  Watch the magicians other hand. The ball is really over there.

Peace,

That was uncalled for.  They're not hippies.

Sorry I meant DonF not allablaze.

Myreply, Titan and Peace,

Listen, a year ago, we won and you lost.  

Now myreply is convulsing and speaking in tongues because a liberal republican unseated widely unpopular democratic governor in New Jersey and red state Virginia went for a republican governor as well.

Why isn't anyone talking about NY 23.  That was supposed to be the real bell weather. I heard that Sean Hannity changed his registration to Conservative Party in the state of New York.

A lot of good Palin's histrionics did for poor Doug Hoffman in the 23rs....He got his clock cleaned.  I guess  Dick Army, Newt Gingrich, Michelle Bauchman, Tim Pawlenty and Fred Thomson didn't help that much either.

Speculation has it that Obama (never one to reach across the aisle) appointed John McHugh to Secretary of the Army because there was a chance that the Democrats could pick up his vacated seat in the special election.  So republicans brought out all their big guns to keep that from happening.

Funny how things turn out. One year later and we won and you lost ... again.

My Opinion and Don F

The Bush years cannot be ignored.  The unnecessary deaths of over 4,000 dead U.S. military gives witness to his ineptness.

Obama started off on day one with a failed war in Iraq that never should have happened.  An economy in free fall because nobody in the  previous administration was watching  greedy CEOs on Wall St.

Conservatives never learn.  America will never buy into that lame ideology conservatives try to sell.  Most Americans are not that greedy, selfish or mean spirited.  People still care about their neighbors, where as conservatives care only about themselves and their wallets.

myreply - Your prayers have been answered - S Palin's book tour is bringing her to the Sam's Club in Washington, PA.  I think the title of her book "Going Rogue" aptly describes S Palin - "A dishonest and unprincipled or worthless person."

allablaze-  "People still care about their neighbors, where as conservatives care only about themselves and their wallets." I'm a little unclear, are you saying in your comment above that conservatives are not people or neighbors?

StClairFranki-""A dishonest and unprincipled or worthless person." Wow, I didn't know that about her.  Would you share some the information you have that lead you to those conclusions?  It would sure put another light on her that I did not see before. Thanks in advance for the details you will be sharing.

allablaze - still looking for that list Don F requested   "but I'd love to hear your one-year assessment of the messiah Obama and all his broken promises. Do you have the guts to give us an honest opinion on that?

The letter writer seems to be a bit confused, or perhaps disingenuous. He is also an idiot.

He slams Sarah Palin for "claiming" that the democrat healthcare debacle contains death panels. He states that these type panels already exist, and are administered currently by the insurance companies. Since he claims to have "studied" the issue", he must surely be aware that this rationing of care he acknowledges exists now will continue if/when the gov't usurps the insurance industry as claims payor. That is, if one assumes by studying the writer means having read the proposed bills.

He finishes by indicting Mrs. Palin for accusing the democrats of featuring the death panels in their proposal, and blaming her for ignoring that they intend to "fix the problem".

They don't intend to fix the problem. The problem will in fact be exacerbated if/when the gov't is the one making the decisions.

Kurt...I'll give you the fact that Obama won a year ago, but if your opinion is that the Dems "won" last night as well, then you have confirmed that you are dilusional and of suspect character, not too mention a little short on the intelligence gene.  Obama's party lost races in the two key states that carried him to the white house, by a HUGE margin in Virginia and the turnover of New Jersey to a republican would be like the city of Pittsburgh getting a republican mayor (you know, sort of like a snowball's chance in hell).

I will say one thing for Kurt and the other Libs, the system is definately broken....I can't believe they get as many votes as I do.

kurt -" Listen, a year ago, we won and you lost. "  We all lost, you just have not figured it out yet.

"Why isn't anyone talking about NY 23".  No real importance.  A shallow victory that you all are clinging to to cover the blow you got.  Two Gov's, one Lt Gov and one Att Gen trumps one House Rep. (see Nancy's face on the news)

"A lot of good Palin's histrionics did for poor Doug Hoffman in the 23rs".  Help me here, what were the histrionics she performed?  I really don't know.  The only thing I heard was she endorsed him, and what else?

Funny how things turn out. One year later and we won and you lost ... again  I repeat Two Gov's, one Lt Gov and one Att Gen trumps one House Rep. Anyone that can find victory out of last night is a Nancy.

Hmmm, lets see.  

2009-1871=138.  

Enter Sarah "The Quitter" Palin, Rush, Hannity and Beck.

Yup, 138 years of republican representation in NY 23 then BOOM!

Yup, 'The Quitter', Palin, Rush, Hannity and Beck are what's wrong with the republican party and people know it.

Heck, even Hillary won upstate.

Duane says he has studied the issues concerning health insurance. May I be so bold as to suggest he go back to school? The insurance companies do NOT make the decisions he suggests, rather the policy that was decided on does. If you are the purchaser you have many policies to choose from but if your Company provides you with insurance then THEY decide how you are covered. Personal responsibility comes in to play on every decision we make concerning our lives. The pre-existing mantra is for the most part bogus. If you are covered at work and your employer drops you all you have to do is buy your own policy and because you had insurance there is NO pre-existing clause. (I called Highmark and they verified this) All policies have a list of participating physicians and a drug formulary. (Almost all drugs are covered with some costing more than others) The reason some hospitals and doctors do not participate in certain plans is their reimbursement rate is so small, which is why the premiums of those policies are low.

If one was denied service because of domestic violence then I would suggest an Attorney would be in order. Remember you get what you pay for, personal responsibility and TANSTAFL. (Their ain’t no such thing as a free lunch)

PS: In the economic Recovery Act (Stimulus Bill) money has been spent and people selected for the rationing panel as well as another panel (already set up) to tell the Doctor just what they have to do to get paid.

My opinion, St. Clair was (cleverly, I thought) quoting a dictionary's primary definition of "rogue". Not the definition Ms. Palin alludes to in her title,

One day later, and already 35 hits - and you libs don't think she is of any importance.  Then why waste your time talking about her?  You can't help yourselves.  That's why she's laughing all the way to the bank.  And folks, she won't be running for president in 2012.  She's having more fun doing what she's doing now - you know, ticking off folks like you.

Kurt:

Check out the number of voters in the 23 race, and then the total number of voters in the NJ and VA races.  NJ and VA, by sheer numbers are more indicative of what the people of this country think.  The 23 race was won because the rep. were ill-advised on their way of selecting their candidate.  She was more a lib than a con. Just check out the numbers.

This is the dumbest thing I've read on here in a long time:

"The pre-existing mantra is for the most part bogus. If you are covered at work and your employer drops you all you have to do is buy your own policy and because you had insurance there is NO pre-existing clause."

Hey McDonald, those of us who've paid thousands of extra dollars in higher insurance premiums while simultaneously being denied coverage for our pre-existing conditions would love to hear more about your theory on why complaints about pre-existing condition clauses are bogus. Perhaps you could put in a few more calls to Highmark employees to get your story straight.