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The Replacements - 8-14-09

                  

Since this somewhat underrated movie has been on HBO like 13 times already this week, we've naturally decided to take a look at the right wing on the Penguins' second line.

Maxime Talbot's going to miss the first two month at least due to his bum shoulder. And considering all the partying he's been doing this summer turning up at seemingly everyone's individual Stanley Cup celebration, Talbot could be out of commission for upwards of 11 years. We think.

So that leaves a temporary hole on the second line with Evgeni Malkin and Ruslan Fedotenko. Who replaces Talbot?

Here are our candidates (in alphabetical order) with their 2008-09 numbers:

                                                        Luca Caputi

League Games Played Goals-
Assists-
Points
NHL 5 1-0-1
AHL 66 18-27-49
ECHL 3 2-1-3

Why Him: Caputi looked like he belonged during his cup of coffee last season in the NHL. He didn't looked overwhelmed by being in an NHL environment. As a player with a power forward type of game he could help replace some of the grit Talbot brings.

Why Not Him: Caputi is still a development in progress, physically and mentally. He's still a bit small to be a true NHL power forward (6-foot-2, 184 pounds). And discipline appears to be an issue with him off and on the ice at least when it comes to defense. Handing too much responsibility to a player still developing could have a negative impact on his long-term development. Additionally, Caputi is a left winger which is Fedotenko's position.

                                                    Matt Cooke

League Games Played Goals-
Assists-
Points
NHL 76 12-18-31

Why Him: Cooke brings the same tough, aggressive high energy approach as Talbot and will do the dirty work that could create space for Malkin and Fedotenko operate offensively. He Will go to the net and get beat up.

Why Not Him: Would breaking up the third line of Cooke, Tyler Kennedy and Jordan Staal be a wise move? Additionally, Cooke's more of a left winger which is Fedotenko's position. And Cooke has limited offensive touch and he's prone to penalties.

                                                      Pascal Dupuis

League Games Played Goals-
Assists-
Points
NHL 71 12-16-28

Why Him: Dupuis was good enough to be on Sidney Crosby's line for essentially one season, why couldn't he fill in on the right wing, his natural position, for two months with Malkin? Also, he has speed and certainly not afraid to shoot the puck.

Why Not Him: Dupuis' offense is extremely limited. He likes to shoot, but his shot doesn't strike fear into too many goaltenders. And while he does bring some energy when he steps on the ice, he's not particularly physical. As far as ice time is concerned, Dupuis has always seemed more effective when he plays fourth-line type of minutes.

                                                     Dustin Jeffrey

League Games Played Goals-
Assists-
Points
NHL 14 1-2-3
AHL 63 11-26-37

Why Him: Jeffrey (above, No. 42) was more than capable in a brief call up last season and even earned some occasional ice time on the Penguins' top lines. He probably has the closest type of game in regards to Talbot. He brings energy, a physical edge, is more than willing to shoot the puck and like Talbot, he's a natural center. While his faceoff numbers last season weren't great, he can step in to take a draw.

Why Not Him: Jeffrey is probably close to hitting his ceiling as far as what he can offer at the NHL level. Outside of gaining a little experience, we're probably can't really improve in too many areas. Additionally, he hasn't really been a particularly prolific scorer at any level.

                                                     Tyler Kennedy

League Games Played Goals-
Assists-
Points
NHL 67 15-20-35

Why Him: Kennedy's game has gradually developed the past few campaigns and were it not for a knee injury last season, he could've hit the 20-goal mark. He flourished in the playoffs scoring three game-winning goals. Additionally, he brings several similar attributes as Talbot such as energy, physical play and he will drop the gloves on occasion.

Why Not Him: Again, do you want to break up what is a pretty successful line of Cooke, Kennedy and Staal? And Kennedy got a tryout on Crosby's wing for several games last season and failed to produce consistently.

                                             Casey Pierro-Zabotel

League Games Played Goals-
Assists-
Points
WHL 72 36-79-115

Why Him: Pierro-Zabotel is an intriging prospect as he's been described as a Tomas Holmstrom type of player who has more finishing ability. He was the the WHL's leading scorer last season and set a single-season scoring record with the Vancouver Giants.

Why Not Him: Pierro-Zabotel is very raw and has yet to even play at the AHL level. The Penguins would need have several other players leave the lineup for various reasons and/or have Pierro-Zabotel make some miraculous debut in training camp for him to even be on the NHL roster let along on Evgeni Malkin's wing.

                                                 Jordan Staal

League Games Played Goals-
Assists-
Points
NHL 82 22-27-49

Why Him: Staal's most prolific goal-scoring season came three seasons ago on Malkin's wing when he scored 29 goals. As a center, he could step in and take faceoffs for Malkin.

Why Not Him: It's hard to see the Penguins move Staal, who is anchored as the third line's center to the right wing on the second line for two months. Additionally, for what ever reason, Staal and Malkin just were not able to re-create the rythym they had as rookies in the few times they were teamed up on the same line last season. And Staal still gets bodied off the puck far too often. Some sort of physical presence along the wall would be needed on a line with Fedotenko and Malkin.

                                                      Eric Tangradi

League Games Played Goals-
Assists-
Points
OHL 55 38-50-88

Why Him: At 6-foot-4, 221 pounds, Tangradi is a big body who is still growing. He will go to the net, get physical and will drop the gloves. And he knows how to score. Tangradi is a prototypical power forward prospect.

Why Not Him: His biggest obstacle is the hand injury he suffered in last season's OHL playoffs. Tangradi lacerated a tendon and you never like to hear that about a guy who has some natural ability to score goals. Assuming his health is not an issue, Tangradi still has to contend with a lack of maturity on the ice and simple inexperience.

So what do you think? Did we name the top eight candidates? Did we ignore someone? Does an established player like Craig Adams deserve some consideration? What about a prospect like Keven Veilleaux? Should the Penguins find a way to fit someone like Miroslav Satan or Petr Sykora under the salary cap?

Personally, we'd like to see Jeffrey get first crack at the job since he has a similar game to Talbot and we'd hate to see someone like Caputi or Tangradi rushed into something too soon.

That said, we'll be the first to acknowledge that this debate could be much ado about nothing since Dan Bylsma has shown a willingness to change lines at a rate that would make Michel Therrien jealous. We won't be shocked to see Malkin and Crosby teamed up within the first month of play.

(Photo: The Replacements-Photobucket; Caputi, Pierro-Zabotel and Tangradi-Matt Freed/Post-Gazette; Cooke, Jeffrey and Kennedy-Jim McIsaac/Getty Images; Dupuis-Jamie Sabau/Getty Images; Staal-Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)


Posted Aug 14 2009, 05:18 AM by Seth Rorabaugh

Comments

Blackblood wrote re: The Replacements - 8-12-09
on Fri, Aug 14 2009 10:23 AM

Despite the flaws in his game, Dupuis is probably the best short-term solution.  Jeffrey simply doesn't possess the offensive ability to keep up with that line (11 goals in 63 AHL games last season).  And while he isn't afraid to use his body, he's also well out of his depth when it comes to the rough stuff (he was embarrassed in his only AHL scrap).  His ceiling is likely that of a 4th line centerman on this club.

Regarding Caputi, he has filled out his frame, weighing in at 202 for rookie camp.  He could well be closer to 205-210 by regular camp.  But, I'd rather avoid fast tracking any of the prospects at this point.  Dupuis has been with the club for over a year, has had a front row view of Geno's game, it will take him less time to fit into that line.  And that's what the club needs: an effective short term solution.

King Moonracer wrote re: The Replacements - 8-12-09
on Fri, Aug 14 2009 10:29 AM

What is our cap situation?  I see Alex Tanguay is stil available and has fired his agent.  Any chance we get him at a bargain rate on a one-year deal?

Disgruntled Goat wrote re: The Replacements - 8-12-09
on Fri, Aug 14 2009 10:39 AM

I agree with Blackblood's assessment, except that I think Kennedy's higher offensive potential makes him a better candidate for 2'nd line duty and Dupuis 3'rd.

Pierro-Zabotel and Tangradi (especially coming back from surgery) should not even be considered at this point due to thier inexperience.

Bones wrote re: The Replacements - 8-12-09
on Fri, Aug 14 2009 10:56 AM

Roll with Jeffrey to start the season.

I agree with Goat on Pierro-Zabotel and Tangradi not getting a sniff of the NHL this fall. I'd like to see both of them, along with Caputi, play a full season in Wilkes-Barre. I liked what I saw from Caputi, but the guy disappears when he turns sideways. Give him another season to fill out and fine tune his game. With Guerin, Fedotenko, and others FAs after this year there will be roster spots available for those three in 2010.

Tanguay would be nice, but they just don't have the $$$ to make that deal. He's not going to sign for $1 million a year (even on a one year deal). Shero also needs to maintain some kind of salary cap cushion in case a deal needs to be made next spring.

Disgruntled Goat wrote re: The Replacements - 8-12-09
on Fri, Aug 14 2009 11:07 AM

Tanguay still thinks he's worth 5 million, so no way he signs for minimum wage.  Tampa or Minnesota will probably sign him when he comes down to 2.5-3 mil.

This is a nice topic for summertime, but lets face it, with all due respect to Max, he's no "Superstar."  I'm a big fan of his work ethic and all he's accomplished and think his skills are underrated, but he's not irreplacable.  He's not dead either, he'll be back in a couple months, so lets not overreact.

Blackblood wrote re: The Replacements - 8-12-09
on Fri, Aug 14 2009 12:46 PM

Oh, and I neglected to mention the possibility of a camp invitee.  There have been some rumors about Taylor Pyatt.  Hypothetically, if he were invited, came to camp ready to play and earned a spot, there would be little risk in signing a guy like that to a two-way deal.  He's had top six experience, scoring 23 goals with the Sedin twins in Vancouver.  A knock on him has been consistency over the long haul but, then again, we're talking about a six-week audition.  If he were to earn more time, great, if not, there's always WB/S.

JC65 wrote re: The Replacements - 8-12-09
on Fri, Aug 14 2009 2:46 PM

I'm confused by the idea of "replacing" Talbot on the 2nd line when he's not a second liner.  He may have gotten a shift with Malkin now and again, but he wasn't a regular part of the second line at any point during the last two seasons.

Disgruntled Goat wrote re: The Replacements - 8-12-09
on Fri, Aug 14 2009 3:09 PM

Bylsma replaced Sykora with Talbot during the Caps series and kept him there through game 7 of the Finals where he scored the Pens'  two goals.

Disgruntled Goat wrote re: The Replacements - 8-12-09
on Fri, Aug 14 2009 3:12 PM

On Malkin's line that is.

Blackblood wrote re: The Replacements - 8-12-09
on Fri, Aug 14 2009 4:52 PM

At another glance, why isn't Nick Johnson on this list?  He's a natural RW who improved by leaps and bounds last season.  Big kid, 6'2, 210lbs, and of the second-year kids he's a better skater than Caputi & Jeffrey, probably not as natural of a scorer as Caputi, but moreso than Jeffrey.  Excellent attitude, very coachable.  Plus, Johnson's 23 (24 in Dec), so less likely to be overwhelmed by the situation as the rooks like Tangradi, Veilleux, and Zabotel may be.

I think Johnson's the darkhorse, but the best internal fit among the prospect group.

PenguinsNorth wrote re: The Replacements - 8-12-09
on Fri, Aug 14 2009 10:10 PM

Miroslav Satan is the best solution providing he doesn't go the Islanders.  We probably could sign him for little.

Slipstream wrote re: The Replacements - 8-12-09
on Fri, Aug 14 2009 11:00 PM

Put Kennedy there.  He's very similar to Talbot and is actually a right wing.  BTW, neither of those guys is the long-term solution as a second-line winger, but until somebody younger and cheaper develops from WBS, then they're the best we've got.

I think it's crazy how people act like the third line is some sacred thing that can't be touched.  Get over it, everybody.  Yes, they are good together.  But you do realize we are talking about Evgeni Malkin, right?

It's much more important to maximize the NHL's leading scorer's talents than to keep the precious third line together.  Dupuis can fill in on the third line for Kennedy.  Remember, he is a third/fourth liner.  He is not a first/second liner.  If you think he is, you must have slept through the playoffs last year when he played with Crosby and Hossa pretty consistently and rang up a grand total of 2 goals in 20 games.

Plus, watching him fire perfect Malkin setups into the goalie's chest, or the glass, or failing to get a shot off at all for months at a a time will give me heartburn just like it did when Sidney was stuck with him.  I'll start flashing back to Lemieux setting up the lovely and talented Brad Lauer.

71=MVP wrote re: The Replacements - 8-14-09
on Sat, Aug 15 2009 6:40 PM

agree w/ Goat and Slipstream -- Kennedy up to the 2nd line (Tenk - Malk - TK), and Dupuis up to the 3rd (Cooke - Staal - Dupuis).

that makes the 4th:  Rupp - Adams - Godard, or...when Godard isn't necessary, move up Jeffrey to the 4th line.  he and Adams can play both C and RW, and actually, that's a fair amount of grit even without Godard.

Tangradi is the most appealing prospect, but he needs time in the AHL.  I think the Pens would really like him to replace Tenk (who won't be re-signed after the season).