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Depth on defense


Sergei Gonchar and Ryan Whitney will both be on the shelf for quite a while. Fine. Nothing can be done about that now.

So what do the Penguins have left in the cupboard?

Plenty.

When Ray Shero re-signed Mark Eaton back on July 1, many questioned the decision to bring back a player who spent much of his previous two seasons on injured reserve. With some of the Penguins other needs in free agency at the time, why devote a decent chunk of change to an oft-injured defenseman?

Two months later, Shero's looking like a genius. Granted, he couldn't have foreseen what would happen to his two most prolific defensemen before the season started, but he saw the value of having depth. With Eaton and Brooks Orpik back in the fold, the Penguins ensured they would have nine NHL-caliber blueliners in the organization. Without Gonchar and Whitney, the Penguins still seven solid reliable players they can dress on the blue line.

Think about that. On most nights, someone like Rob Scuderi or Darryl Sydor will be a healthy scratch. And it won't be for a lack of ability. It will simply be a numbers game. Assuming Michel Therrien goes with six defensemen most games, someone full of potential like Alex Goligoski or the mammoth Hal Gill will be watching the game in a suit in the press box depending on who's healthy, playing well or if Therrien likes a certain match-up.

We're in no way suggesting that the Penguins aren't a lesser team without Gonchar's or Whitney's obvious talents. It would be delusional to suggest otherwise.

But things aren't exactly that bad. This isn't like the 2006-07 season where an injury to Mark Eaton forced Josef Melichar or Alain Nasreddine into the lineup. Things were so bad that season, Shero acquired AHL legend Joel Kwiatkowski at the trade deadline.

If they Penguins can survive lengthy injuries to Sidney Crosby and Marc-Andre Fleury, (two far more valuable players) they're more than capable of treading water without Gonchar and Whitney.

If we had a gun put to our heads right now, our pairings on defense for the Penguins would be:

  • Kris Letang-Hal Gill - It worked well after Gill came from Toronto and became acclimated with the Penguins' system. Letang's skating ability helped negate Gill's relative lack of mobility.
  • Alex Goligoski-Mark Eaton - Stick the inexperience rookie with a steady, responsible veteran. The past two seasons the Penguins placed Gonchar with Eaton at times and that allowed Gonchar more freedom in the offensive end. You could apply the same thinking in regards to Goligoski's lack of experience.
  • Brooks Orpik-Rob Scuderi/Darryl Sydor - We'd stick Orpik with Goligoski, but Orpik can be a little irresponsible at times when he thinks a big hit is possible. In this case, you can stick a safer, more reliable player like Scuderi or Sydor with Orpik. We would alternate Scuderi and Sydor based on match ups. Scuderi offers a safe, defensive presence. Sydor can do more offensively with the puck.

Granted, this conversation is a little silly considering Therrien sticks with any combination on the ice about as frequently as Ashton Kutcher makes a good movie. But this is a cheap and easy way for us to encourage you to post a comment and make our blog seem more popular than it is. So have at it. Post your defensive combinations down below.

(Photo: Pete Diana/Post-Gazette)

EMPTY NETTER ASSISTS

Penguins

-More on Gonchar's injury.

-People don't care about Sidney Crosby in Sweden.

-Ruslan Fedotenko is playing on a line with Crosby and Miroslav Satan.

-Dave Molinari takes a look at the Penguins' roster.

-The Penguins will allow fans to watch Saturday's season opener at Mellon Arena.

-All 11 players the Penguins cut from their NHL roster, including Kris Beech and Ryan Stone, cleared waivers and rejoined the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins.

-The Wheeling Nailers signed forwards Erik Johnson and Mark Nebus.

Atlantic Division

-Islanders defenseman Chris Campoli and Andy Sutton are dealing with some injuries.

-With those two dinged up, the Islanders claimed defenseman Thomas Pock off waivers from the Rangers.

-Flyers goaltender/shooter tutor Antero Niittymaki is healing quickly from his hip injury.

Northeast Division

-Despite his groin injury, Canadiens enforcer and former Penguin Georges Laraque plans on being ready for the season.

-Bruins forward Phil Kessel and Peter Schaefer are dealing with hip flexor issues.

-New coach Ron Wilson isn't exactly setting the bar too high in Toronto.

-Maple Leafs forward Jamal Mayers feels fortunate to be playing for his hometown team.

-Toronto's first-round pick Luke Schenn made his case to make the Maple Leafs' roster out of camp with a nifty shootout goal last night. (2:50 mark)



-The Sabres are going to rely on defenseman Craig Rivet quite a bit this season.

Southeast Division

-The Lightning put former Penguins forward Michel Ouellet on waivers. Why do we have this urge to put a Mr. Yuck sticker on Ouellet and to tell Michel Therrien and Ray Shero to stay away?

-Apparently, the parents of Thrashers first-round pick Zach Bogosian aren't concerned with gas prices.

-Thomas Thewes, the co-owner of the Hurricanes, passed away.

-The Hurricanes demoted former Penguins forward Matt Murley to Albany of the AHL.

-Capitals forward Mike Green needs to prove he deserved the big pay raise he got this summmer.

Central Division

-The Blackhawks have put goaltender Nikolai Khabibulin on waivers with the hopes of unloading his $6.75 million salary off the book.

-Good thing the Blackhawks signed goaltender Cristobal Huet. He gave up seven goal on 22 shots to the horrid Blue Jackets in a 7-1 loss last night.

-Blues defenseman Jeff Woywitka is dealing with a foot injury.

-The Lightning traded forward Nick Tarnasky to the Predators for a conditional draft pick.

-Today's "Jim Ballsillie is going to buy the Predators and move them to Ontario" rumor is not true.

-Detroit forward Pavel Datsyuk is dealing with a groin injury.

-Red Wings coach Mike Babcock doesn't believe in Stanley Cup hangovers.

-Before he did the same to Pittsburgh, Detroit forward Marian Hossa spurned Atlanta.

-The Blue Jackets are looking for someone to man the point on the power play.

-Columbus forward Raffi Torres will be out six weeks due to a separated shoulder.

Northwest Division

-The Wild put former Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins forward Krys Kolanos on waivers.

-The Flames have made forward Todd Bertuzzi an alternate captain.

-Calgary defenseman Adrian Aucoin relizes his time with the Flames could be coming to an end.

-Canucks forward Kyle Wellwood has been doing Pilates or something.

Pacific Division

-Los Angeles demoted goaltender Jonathan Bernier.

-The Kings allegedly offered former Sharks defenseman Sandis Ozolinsh a tryout which he turned down.

-Rookie forward Kevin Porter, last season's Hobey Baker Awards winner, is making an impression with the Coyotes.

-Stars forward and former Penguins Landon Wilson is trying to prove he still belongs in the NHL.

-The Ducks demoted former Penguins Eric Boguniecki and Ross Lupaschuk to Iowa of the AHL.

Patrick Division

-ESPN's head content overlord (we have no idea what position to give him) wants to bring the NHL back to the World Wide Leader.

-After reading this article about the lack of coverage the NHL gets from other newspapers around the country, we fell very fortunate to be doing Empty Netters.


Posted Sep 30 2008, 04:40 AM by Seth Rorabaugh

Comments

lemieux67 wrote re: Depth on defense
on Tue, Sep 30 2008 11:39 AM

I think you are grossly overlooking the impact of a Gonch-less Pens team.  Normally you are right on the mark, but not today.  Gonch is a consistant 60+ point man in the NHL.  He is arguably the second best offensive defenseman in the NHL - second only to Lidstrom!  You CAN NOT replace that with a rookie D guy like Letang or Goligoski.  Don't believe me?  Look how Letang turtled in the Cup Finals.  His inexperience stood out.  For heaven's sake we had to use Sydor in mop up duty!

What makes me even sicker is that this situation could have had been less impactful had Whit been a man and had surgery on his foot early in the summer so that he would be back in time for some meaningful part of this season.

Also, if I needed to add a member of WBS in case of an injury on the big club I would rather add a Michel Ouellet ANY DAY over Kris "PROFESSIONAL WAIVER WIRE" Beech.  Ouellet is a consistent 15 goal - 35 point guy.  Beech?  Not so much. (or Stone/Filewich/etc. for that matter)

The Confluence wrote re: Depth on defense
on Tue, Sep 30 2008 2:05 PM

Pretty surprising comments from that Philly paper's editor.  That "irrelevant sport" in Philadelphia that he mentions outdrew the Sixers by 5,000 a night last year.  Also, Tim Panaccio is one of the better known hockey writers around (and used to work in the 'Burgh as well).  Far be it from me to defend anything Philly-related, but I'd love to hear that Tim told them to pound sand next spring when they beg him back for the playoffs.

Seth Rorabaugh wrote re: Depth on defense
on Tue, Sep 30 2008 2:37 PM

TCTR, Say what you will about Philly, but that's a real hockey town. They had the seventh-best attendance in the league in 06-07 when that team was pitiful

sports.espn.go.com/.../attendance

That's better than places like Buffalo, Minnesota and Colorado which are some of the healthiest markets in the U.S.

The Flyers might be second to the Eagles or Phillies in terms of relevance, but they're hardly an afterthought.

Seth Rorabaugh wrote re: Depth on defense
on Tue, Sep 30 2008 4:15 PM

Lemieux67,

I probably could've made my point a little better, but I think I was basically trying to illustrate that the player who will be filling in for Gonchar and Whitney aren't scrubs by any means.

Sure Letang had a rough two games in the Cup final, but he played very well up until that point. You could argue he's their most complete defenseman on the roster regardless of health.

Plus Letang has dealt come through in pressure situations before. He was the captain of the 2007 World Junior Championship team for Canada which won gold. I know state-side we don't care about the World Juniors here, but there's quite a bit of pressure for Canadians to preform well in those.

From what I've seen of Goligoski in the preseason, he seems legit. Lots of young players at that position treat the puck like a grenade and just try to dish it off to someone else when they get it in an offensive situation. Goligoski seems very composed on the power play in the preseason. Granted, the preseason is hardly the regular season or playoffs, but Goligoski has looked good so far.

Those two WILL NOT replace Gonchar and Whitney in terms of production. There's not dispute there. But the drop off isn't that bad.

And like I said in the post, this isn't a situation where a Josef Melichar will be dressing every night because of injuries. Sydor and Scuderi are solid 5-6 type of d-men and they'll be a healthy scratch most nights.

I can't imagine too many scenarios where you would judge someone's value as a NHL player by comparing him to Kris Beech... ;)

jstiger84 wrote re: Depth on defense
on Tue, Sep 30 2008 4:52 PM

1.) Letang "turtled" in the Cup Finals because his best friend died in a motorcycle accident.

2.) I agree with the defensive pairings.

3.) I don't think citing Philadelphia's 06-07 attendance is a reason to call them a 'hockey town'. I agree they are but not by that reasoning.

Look at the current Penguins attendance situation- they've already sold out 10 games and only have scattered seats for the remaning 30. If the Pens keep having injury problems and horribly miss the playoffs, sure the games in February and March will be "sell-outs" but the actual people in seats wouldn't be.

It was the same thing in Philly in 06-07. Fans sold out most of those games when tickets went on sale in the pre-season because the Flyers were returning a playoff team that could go on a deep run. What wasn't foretold was the devastating injuries to Forsberg and Gagne and their defense getting old and slow over night. The numbers of the 06-07 Flyers home games say sell-outs but there were a lot of vacated seats once people realized the Flyers were on their way to the lottery.

CanesFan27 wrote re: Depth on defense
on Tue, Sep 30 2008 5:53 PM

Would you like Frank Kaberle?  

BlacknGold66 wrote re: Depth on defense
on Tue, Sep 30 2008 7:59 PM

I get what you're saying here but the only way Rob Scuderi should ever be watching a game from the press box/locker room/suite in a suit is if he his injured.

This isn't 06-07 "tied down by Melichar" Scuderi we're talking about.

People seem to forget that he was our most reliable defenseman last year along with Gonch. (Therrien never had to "motivate" Scoods to be a better D-man *cough* Whits and Orpik *cough*). His play was stellar throughout the season.

The Pens have plenty of firepower in their forwards to have to worry about putting an "offensive" defensman ahead of one Rob Scuderi.

MattMc wrote re: Depth on defense
on Tue, Sep 30 2008 9:10 PM

Okay - glass half full...What about the motivational aspect of this whole thing?  Now they can go the "facing adversity" or "it's us against the world" route, instead of that far off silver cup thingy that doesn't come into focus until after Christmas.