Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis

People keep waiting for this team to fail but for whatever reason, they just won't cooperate. I'm sure Pitt fans started to get that sick feeling in their stomach after Golden Tate's 87-yard punt return for a touchdown late in the game but the Panthers stood tall and wouldn't be denied.

If I were giving out game balls to Pitt players I'd say the entire offensive and defensive lines all deserve one, Jonathan Baldwin deserves one and Dion Lewis deserves one.

The victory was a milestone win of sorts:

** The first time since 1981-82 that Pitt has won nine games in back-to-back seasons.

** The first win by Pitt over Notre Dame at Heinz Field.

** The first back-to-back wins over Notre Dame since 1986-87.

** Pitt has won eight home games in a row for the first time since a long stretch of home wins that ended in 1981.

And according to Dave Wannstedt it was an important win for this reason - there were 100 recruits or so in attendance and they were treated to a great crowd, a prime-time game and a team that actually plays an exciting brand of football these days.

** Bill Stull was a little bit off but still made some nice throws, made good decisions and made a great throw to Jonathan Baldwin on the 36-yard touchdown pass. But, and this should be filed in the ridiculous department, the story that will not die regarding Stull popped up again last night during the telecast when ABC showed Stull's parents watching the game in the second level from one of the ramps and Lisa Salters, the ABC reporter, talked about how they were so far away because the fans near their seats booed Bill early in the season and have been tough on Bill all season since. To their credit the Stull's declined to do an interview with Salters but how exactly did she find them and how exactly did she find out they were standing so far away from their seats because they didn't like how the fans were treating their son? Either way, it is a ridiculous story to still even have legs this far into what has been a magnificant season by both Stull and the Panthers. I asked Stull after the game if he'd like this story to go away and his answer was "I'd like to, but it is not. It is the way it has been all year, I'm just happy for them to be there, my family to be there and cheering our team on."

** Say whatever you want to say about Golden Tate and Michael Floyd -- and those two are special and Tate made some big-time plays -- but Jonathan Baldwin was the star of stars in this game with his performance. Baldwin caught five passes for 142 yards and a touchdown but he had three receptions which were Larry Fitzgerald-like - a diving 36-yard touchdown reception, a leaping catch on a 51-yard reception down the sidelines and he went up and made a great catch for a first down across the middle. He is really becoming a great football player and the best is still yet to come. Incidentally, his 142 yards gives him five 100-yard receiving games this season and he also has now recorded at least one catch of 40 yards or more in six games this season.

** Dion Lewis and Ray Graham both had 50-yard runs (Graham's was actually 53) and Lewis, ho hum, had another 100-yard rushing performance (he finished with 152 yards). For those keeping score, Lewis has played ten career games and he's had 100 yards or more in seven of them. He nows has 1,281 yards rushing for the season, which is the second most for a Big East freshman. The guy whose record he is about to break? Yep, you guessed it, LeSean McCoy, who set the record in 2007 when he rushed for 1,328 yards as a freshman. Lewis is also coming up on a number of school records for freshmen -- he has 13 rushing TD's (McCoy had 14), he has 14 total TD's (McCoy had 15) and he has 84 points (McCoy scored 90).

** Remember when the defensive line was making people nervous because it seemed to be underachieving? Yeah, neither do we. My goodness, that offensive line from Notre Dame was billed as one of the best in the country but my guess is they'll be having nightmares about Greg Romeus, Jabaal Sheard, Gus Mustakas and Mick Williams for a few weeks - especially Sheard and Mustakas who both had tremendous games. Romeus blocked at least two passes and he blocked an extra point - his fourth career blocked kick. Sheard has two tackles for loss, a sack, four quarterback hurries and he knocked down a pass and Mustakas has two tackles for loss. The unit, simply put, dominated the Irish and really made it tough on Jimmy Clausen to do much of anything.

** Pitt made it through for the most part healthy except for two key injuries which likely changed the outcome of the game, or at least the final score. First Aaron Berry went down with a shoulder injury (and did not return) and then Ricky Gary went down with an undisclosed injury and as a result, Pitt had to finish the game with only one healthy experienced corner and the Irish clealry took advantage of it. Gary is OK but Wannstedt said he's not sure what is going on with Berry's shoulder and won't know until today. Berry can miss the WVU game - the Mountaineers don't pass that much anyway - but Pitt absolutely needs him to have a chance to beat Cincinnati.

** Max Gruder led the team with 11 tackles and probably had his best overall game. Like I've written before, he is clearly getting better and a little bit of patience has paid off. He made two really big-time tackles to save first downs and he has showed he is a physical player as well.

** One Notre Dame item which is noteworthy -- Golden Tate (113 yards) and Michael Floyd (107 yards) both eclipsed the 100-yard receiving mark for the second consecutive game. That's the first time in school history that the Irish have had two 100-yard receivers in back-to-back games. It is the third time Floyd and Tate have accomplished that this season - and file this one under the whole "you must run to win" talk -- and oddly enough, Notre Dame is 0-3 in those games.

** Winning football? How about these stats - Pitt did not turn the ball over and had only one penalty for five yards.

QUOTABLE

** Dave Wannstedt -- "It was a great win for the program, a great win for the kids, particularly those who were around here five years ago when we had a bad experience.It was great to walk out of here tonight with a little better feeling."

** Jonathan Baldwin - "The crowd was pumped and we were pumped. We just had a good time out there."

** Jabaal Sheard - "In the past, I was getting predictable with my moves. This week, I really studied my opponents and with the help of Greg Romeus getting a good push, I was able to get some good pressure. I think we can match up against anyone. I don't doubt us against any offensive line in the country."

** Dion Lewis - "We've accomplished nothing yet. The next two games are going to be tough and right now we're just going to take them one game at a time. Our focus is now on West Virginia and we'll go from there."

** Bill Stull - "[Baldwin] is awesome. You have to have faith and know who you are throwing the ball to and I knew who I wasx throwing to with him. We look for matchups and that's what we're trained and taught to do."

** Charlie Weis - "We were playing pretty conservative in the first half. We got down by two scores, then three and that forced us into a mode that we didn't want to be in. Mentally, it is tough to be in that situation. We came out conservative. I call a game differently on the road than when I do at home. We were doing pretty well when the score was 3-3."

** Golden Tate - "I wanted to make it count on the field and I made play. I go out and play every game like it is my last. I can only speak for myself."

** Jimmy Clausen - "That's a tough loss. It felt like we were moving the ball but we ran into some penalties and some miss reads and that fumble in the end. We let it slip away."


Posted Nov 15 2009, 01:56 AM by Paul Zeise

Comments

thisistheyear wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Sun, Nov 15 2009 9:10 AM

big win!!!  and a week off to enjoy it too,  NICE!!!!

Paul who was more nervous in the first half of the game houser or stull, that center qb exchange was pretty shakey the whole first half, did either comment on it?

thisistheyear wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Sun, Nov 15 2009 9:12 AM

oh yeah one more question/comment.  was berry's injury the same as the shoulder injury he had a couple of weeks ago?  I believe it was a dislocated shoulder if memory serves me correctly.

Bingram wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Sun, Nov 15 2009 1:39 PM

I alway remember Bill Cowher's comment about football being the ability of one team to inforce it's will on the other. Last night we saw another example of the Pitt lines simply overpowering the opposition.

It is interesting that Pitt, a team that seldom utilizes the blitz, is among the nations leaders in quarterback sacks.

carolinapanther wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Sun, Nov 15 2009 3:01 PM

Great win for Pitt and sets them up for a possible huge season and

the much wanted BCS Bowl Game.  Wow only 9 comments, which proves that people like to b*tch & complain alot more than to offer compliments.  Pitt has USC(in a typical year) like star power on Offense with players like Frosh phenom Dion Lewis, true Sophomore Jonathan Baldwin and TE/RB Dorin Dickerson.  Musberger or Herbie even made a Reggie Bush comparison to Dion Lewis's cutting ability and had numerous flattering comments about him.  Though I would suggest Mussberger get a better spotter as he continually declined to comment on who made tackles on Pitt's Defense.  I'm sure their fans & relatives back home would

like to hear their name announced on national TV.  You would

have never guessed Max Gruder had 10 tackles as his name

was only mentioned once or twice by Musberger all game.

The Salters attempted interview of Stull's parents was pointless and she must of known they weren't going to talk before the

segment, so why go forward with it.  Which makes that segment appear as nothing as an attempt to embarrass Pitt.  Like that

hasn't happened before.  I think it's time for Musberger to retire,

he's clearly over the hill, as he has been on the air for over 35

years, give someone else a chance.

Finally a shout out to Coach Wannstedt, you came full circle in

beating ND at home. Most of us appreciate your efforts and we understand why the Nitters and Billies despise you.  Cause you're

outrecruiting both of them.  Keep up the good work, you do Pittsburgh proud and real Pittsburghers love you.

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thisistheyear wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Sun, Nov 15 2009 4:40 PM

I agree carolinapanther, people talk about attendence being an embrassment, the lack of comments is an embrassment too.  Although I will give them a pass today as they might be at or watching the steelers.

I beleive this pitt team is for real.  the cignetti hire was a great one for pitt, that offense seems night and day compared to last year's conservative bland one cavanaugh ran.   I had my doubts about Wanny, but it seems like he learns form his mistakes and is starting to make a believer out of me.  

steelva wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Sun, Nov 15 2009 6:59 PM

Paul,  Max Gruder ???      "Max Gruder led the team with 11 tackles and probably had his best overall game."

Puh-leeze !!    This guy got picked on more than Deion Figures in his Steeler heyday !!    Notre Dame CONSTANTLY ran AT Gruder, with rabid success.   Gruder was getting toppled constantly by simple (and legal) chop blocks, or simply getting mauled.   There was a pass play with about 9 minutes remaining in the 2nd quarter, where Clausen hit his man on a simple dumpoff near the sideline chalk.   Gruder was the closest Panther, but instead of coming up and making a PLAY, he meekly stood still -- literally -- so much so that a DB well behind him came up and knocked the ND player out of bounds, but not until the man had gained the 1st down.   A real soft, feeble, gutless play.  

Gruder may have "led the team in tackles".   Doesn't mean much, because most of those tackles were made 6 or 7 yards downfield on ground plays, or after little simple dumpoffs by Clausen.    Fact is, Gruder had a wretched game, and I'm sure he'll hear about it from the coaching staff during film study.  

PittNH wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Sun, Nov 15 2009 7:13 PM

Paul, great analysis, good job as usual.  In regards to the Stull story, can you please walk across the aisle at work and you have a prime example in Bob Smizik who even today was blogging about the booing of Stull, almost 2 months since it happened.

Whammy Douglas wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Sun, Nov 15 2009 8:08 PM

steelva wrote:   Notre Dame CONSTANTLY ran AT Gruder, with rabid success.  

If Notre Dame ended up with 66 total yards rushing and THAT was rabid success, what would you call mediocre rushing success???

steelva wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Sun, Nov 15 2009 8:42 PM

Whammy,

Blame the fat coach on the ND sideline for not exploiting their running game.  ND was supposedly all happy that Allen was returning to the lineup.  The guy rushed 14 times for 77 yards, which is a healthy 5.5 yards per carry.    Sure, ND fell behind by a large amount in the 4Q after Lewis' 50-yard TD run, but prior to that they could have very easily run the ball more.    That they didn't is probably a PRIMARY reason why Fat Charlie will be joining the hundreds of thousands of other Americans in the unemployment line.  

Imma_Man_Im_40 wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Sun, Nov 15 2009 8:45 PM

A hundred recruits?  Really?  Don't we only have, like, 2-3 more scholarships to give?

Or were these juniors (i.e., recruits to be, aka next year's recruits)?

Either way, the coached picked a great game to bring them to see: a win over a name team in a full & rockin' house, on national TV with ABC's A-team.

If Paul is right and really this is one of Pitt's main obstacles to recruiting, maybe that will change.

Imma_Man_Im_40 wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Sun, Nov 15 2009 8:51 PM

Do Beano Cook and Lou Holtz, et al, still think Pitt has only 2-3 guys that would start for ND?  I saw a baker's dozen or more:  all four DLs, two OTs, two OGs, two LBs, two RBs (one being a FB), one WR, two TEs.  Probably more.

By the way, wasn't it great to have coupla Nate Byham sightings?

collegesportsfan wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Sun, Nov 15 2009 9:25 PM

Imma,  I read that there were a variety of recruits ... guys who already gave verbals, a few potential 2010 recuits that would complete  the claas, but many sophomores and juniors, mostly from Western PA

sarcastic sword wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Mon, Nov 16 2009 1:36 AM

Random thoughts....

The "story" on Stull's parents was classless and a non-story in Mid-November......

Stull was nervous the entire game...His botched snap on 3rd and short with 3 minutes left could have been their undoing - they get a first down there and they could take more time off the clock and possibly run it out....He always has happy feet but on the big stage, he looked so uncomfortable....Im afraid to see what he'll be like on Dec 5,,,,,,,,

DL was fantastic....

If Berry cant play vs Cincy, Pike and/or Collaros will march up and down the field  - the DL wont be a factor against Cincy because they throw so many short to internediate passes...If Gary and Reed have to play alot, Pitt will have to outscore Cincy....

collegesportsfan wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Mon, Nov 16 2009 9:15 AM

watched the end of the game last night on ESPNU and the final shot had Wanny talking to EJ Borghetti (SID) and didn't seem very happy ... my guess is because ESPN saw fitting to interview Weis after the game but not the winning coach.  In fact, it my understanding that Wanny was never interviewed while Weis was interviewed 3 times.

This is not unusual for ESPN which has always pandered to the big names (Yanks, BoSox, Tebow, SEC, USC, Kobe, Lebron, Brady, Manning, etc), and in my view does a major disservice to sports fans, while leads to the perception of the major chasm among the privileged versus all others.

But then again, it's all about the ratings ... isn't it?

john61562 wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Mon, Nov 16 2009 11:35 AM

Paul,

Excellent coverage. Just how did Salters find Stull's parents? Sadly, what they are experiencing goes on everywhere. They should be happy their son is getting a free ride. The bottom line is that the booing issue would soon go away if people just ignored it.

pantherpride wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Mon, Nov 16 2009 12:12 PM

LOL...I thought the "story" of the booing of Stull was overdone after the Y-State game....this is just laughable!  I saw the interview....terrible choice by ESPN. This may be the biggest "non-story" in Pgh. sports this year!

I agree, Whammy. 66 yards rushing and an effort like this. To single out Gruder and use the term "gutless"....Steelva....did he hook up with your girlfriend or something? Anyone who has watched all of the games this year EASILY recognizes that he has become one of the most improved players on the team!

There was a moment where I was sitting in the stands (27-9) saying "Wow....what if we'd blow ND out of the stadium tonight?". But it didn't happen obviously. Claussen, Tate, and Floyd are the real deals and they had a few more shots left to fire. Pitt held on and the D stepped up when it needed to....in spite of how good of a coach/scheme ND may or may not be they still have some high-end talent and it was no shame the game ended up being close.

And for God sake....hasn't Stull earned a break from all of us?! Now...he's "nervous" and will choke on 12/5? I, for one, never thought this season, or he for that matter, would progress to the point where he had to take a pressure-packed snap. The kid is tough as nails; he may have messed up a few times but never had the killer mistake. Mishandled snaps happen. Mistakes happen. If Stull has not cracked by now - I would be shocked if he did in the last few games!

born2run wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Mon, Nov 16 2009 12:39 PM

On that last fumbled snap, someone on the sidelines should have called a timeout - they were coming out of the huddle with 10 seconds on the play clock and had to rush the snap to avoid a delay of game penalty.  I was yelling for a timeout before they got to the line - it was crazy to risk a botched play on third down when we had 2 to's left.  If ND reecovers that fumble we are in deep doo-doo.  I haven't heard anyone bring this up.

collegesportsfan wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Mon, Nov 16 2009 4:08 PM

born2Run .. couldn't agree with you more.  They defnitely should have called a TO there.

Imma_Man_Im_40 wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Mon, Nov 16 2009 5:04 PM

Let's be honest: if the worst thing we can think to say about the Pitt offense is Bill Stull dropped coupla rushed snaps and overthrew coupla recievers?  And one of the greatest players in America made a great punt return?  That's MAJOR progress from this time last year.  No penalites!  No turnovers!  Several sacks!  Great game plan!

Remember how lousy we felt after the Rutgers game?  WADR to Paul's list, that awful self-sabotage loss outta be on any top-10(11) list.

Point being: we may lose to both WVU and Cincy.  But won't it be fun to see?  We certainly match up very well with both, and may find ourselves favored by Vegas in both games (since we get the Bear-scats at home).  I cannot forsee any circumstances where we give up 40-something (or even 30) points and get embarrasssed.

This team has a maturity and confidence I haven't seen sicne the 80s, that 4th Qtr blip in Raleigh notwithstanding.

Pitt_2005 wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Mon, Nov 16 2009 5:49 PM

What a great win for Pitt!  It was absolutely amazing to see the Panthers play well on prime time television in front of a packed house at Heinz Field.  I am a Pitt alumni and currently live in Orlando.  Let me tell you, it is painful to hear every single day how great the SEC is and how inferior all other college football teams are.  I have nothing against the SEC, it is the best conference, hands down.  But other conferences and programs deserve some respect as well.  I think Pitt gained some respect Saturday night.  We didn't play a flawless game, not even close.  But we showed great balance, depth and heart.  The both lines played very hard.  I give those guys so much credit.  Golden Tate and Floyd are truly amazing, but how about Baldwin and Lewis crashing the party (not to mention Ray Graham getting into the mix).  What's the injury status on the defensive backs??  I have yet to hear an update and their health certainly plays a huge role to finish out the season strong.  Hail to Pitt!

Freedoman wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Mon, Nov 16 2009 10:39 PM

When was the last time Pitt was ranked higher than Ohio State, USC, LSU and Penn State?

Hard to believe that Pitt has two regular season games left and the Backyard Brawl isn't the biggest game.

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sarcastic sword wrote re: Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Wed, Nov 18 2009 9:01 AM

While I agree that the sideline should have called a timeout when the play clock was ticking down and Stull then fumbled the snap, wouldnt it have been better for the QB to make the timeout call. He had to know the play clock was winding down - it took forever for the play to get to him.....For a 5th yr senior and 23 yrs old, where is the maturity and poise?

I know, everyone will say I should be happy we won (I am) but the mistakes that this kid makes are those you tolerate if a true frosh is playing - not a 5th yr kid who has starting experience going back to his sophomore yr......

Backyard Blogs wrote Pitt 27, Notre Dame 22 - News, Notes and Analysis
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 12:59 PM

People keep waiting for this team to fail but for whatever reason, they just won't cooperate. I'm