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Kick coverage costs Steelers again

By Bob Smizik | Sunday, 4:55 p.m.

Random thoughts immediately following what might someday -- maybe today -- be remembered as the game that undid the Super Bowl champions:

* The Steelers got a huge break today when the super lowly Oakland Raiders beat the Cincinnati Bengals, who are in first place in the AFC North. But the Steelers may need more than that. Based on the way they’re playing and the way they’ve consistently played down to their level of competition this season, the Steelers, who lost to the Kansas City Chiefs, 27-24, have to worry about making the playoffs. They  fell to 6-4 with this loss. The Chiefs won for only the third time.

* Although the game was decided in overtime, it was lost on the first play when -- incredibly -- Jamaal Charles returned the opening kickoff 97 yards for a touchdown.

IBen Roethlsberger is injured by knee of Derrick Johnson (54) of Kansas City (Pete Diana/Post-Gazette)t was the fourth time a kickoff has been returned for a touchdown this season. It is almost inexplicable that such a talented team could fail so often in this one phase of the game.

I defended special teams coaches Bob Ligashesky and Amos Jones last week but I won’t do it this week. The players must  perform but there is no excuse for such a low level of execution on kickoff coverage. The buck stops with the coaches.

But not just with Ligashesky and Jones. There was so much focus on the kick coverage this week that is had to fall into the domain of Mike Tomlin. That’s what head coaches do when certain aspects of their team are in disarray. They go from being a supervisor to being hands-on.

Tomlin had to be tightly involved with what changes were made this week and the game preparation. That’s his job. Ligashesky and Jones might take the fall for this at the end of the season, but Tomlin had to be extremely involved with all that went on and as much to blame as the assistants.

* Offensive coordinator Bruce Arians didn’t exactly thumb his nose at the clamor for more running plays, but he continues to do plot the offense his way, which means lot and lots of passing.

That plan of attack allowed the Steelers to dominate the Chiefs offensively and Ben Roethlisberger was a large part of that. He completed 32 of 42 passes for 398 yards and three touchdowns.

But there was distinct downside to all that passing. Roethlisberger was intecepted twice, both times by linebacker Andy Studebaker and both led to scores. The first, early in the third quarter, gave the ball to the Chiefs on their own 38, from where they began a seven-play, 62-yard touchdown drive. The second, later in the quarter, was returned 94 yards to the Steelers' 8 and led to a field goal. Studebaker, a graduate of Division III Wheaton, was making his first NFL start.

Rashard Mendenhall carried 21 times for 80 yards, Willie Parker six times for 24 yards. The most crucial carry of the game did not go to Mendenhall or Parker but to Mewelde Moore. On a third and 2 in overtime, with Charlie Batch just in the game to replace Roethlisberger, who suffered an apparent head injury, Arians called Moore’s number and the play went for a 3-yard loss. The Steelers punted and never got the ball back.

* Although the Steelers dominated the Chiefs -- 515 total yards to 282 and 44 minutes of possession to 22 -- they had three chances to win the game in the final minutes and overtime and ended up punting on all three. Just like last week, when it looked like Roethlisberger would pull out another game in the fourth quarter, it again was not to be.

With 4:45 remaining the Steelers had the ball on their own 29. They got one first down but on a third and 7 from the 45, Roethlisberger was sacked.

They got the ball back with 1:47 remaining but again got one first down and had to punt. After Roethlisberger threw to Heath Miller for 5 yards on first down, he threw incomplete and then was sacked again. After not being sacked the entire game, he was sacked twice late in the fourth quarter.

The Steelers won the coin toss in overtime, got two first downs, one on Batch’s first play -- a 17-yard pass to Santonio Holmes. But a screen was incomplete, Mendenhall ran for 8 and Moore lost 3 bringing on another punt.

* It was an ugly afternoon of football but the Steelers are still very much in the playoff hunt. Their four losses put them together with Jacksonville, Denver and Houston, which plays Monday, as four-loss teams. Indianapolis, Cincinnati, New England and San Diego have a better record than the Steelers.  

 


Posted Nov 22 2009, 04:54 PM by Bob Smizik

Comments

hwilson wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:23 PM

Tomlin needs to be held responsible for this fiasco!!!  The team was not ready to play.  He is good for quotes but as for substance...?????

Retire#21 wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:25 PM

Watching this team limp through the second half of the season is like watching Barbaro grind out the last few months.  It is painful to watch and eventually somebody has to put them out of their misery.

The picture of the Steeler bench after the Chiefs went 90 to tie the game on Lebeau's defense in the 4th Q said it all.  This is a defeated team.

This game was the same game as the Chicago game, the first Bengal game, the Charger game, the Detroit game.  All the same; play well enough to look like you should win, collapse late and find a way to make it closer then it should be in the end, or just flat out lose it.

The Vikings game is now looking like a lucky fluke in an otherwise Groundhog Day type of football season.

collegesportsfan wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:27 PM

Arians may not be thumbing his nose on running the football but he may be doing it to common sense.  Yea, Peyton, Drew and Tom may throw a ton of times but they all have o-lines that give them sufficient time on a regular basis.  They also get rid of the ball pretty quickly.

Arians may also heed his cohabitant at the practice facility ... Wannstedt said in an ESPN interview last week that a 100 yard runner is more likely to produce a win than a 300 yard passer.

jayroB wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:28 PM

rather pathetic display today...gave them 20 points.  

1. Kickoff return (yet, again) = 7

2. interception in the red zone = minimum 6 point swing

3. interception + return & FG = 3

Just not good at all.....no more room for error as it will take 11 wins to get in playoffs

jayroB wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:35 PM

i don't put this game on tomlin at all... but, this season has produced a disturbing inablilty to put teams away, which may have something to do with the head coach:

Chicago - in control and lost

Cincy #1 - gave up a lead

Det. - much closer than it should have been

Cincy #2 - Defense gives up 0 pts and lose

KC - no excuse for losing this game

BFD wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:37 PM

Terrible loss against a horrible team.

- Special Teams are pathetic....special teams coach should be fired

- Turnovers hurt

- Not usually critical of play calling, but that 3rd & 2 in OT while on the outskirts of Reeds range play call was HORRIBLE!  Absolutely horrible.  I could not believe my eyes as the play developed.

- Defense let a terrible team move down the field w/o resistance......what a difference a healthy Troy makes.

I just can't get over that 3rd and 2 play call!

flsteelerfan wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:39 PM

I have to respectfully disagree with a lot of that article.  I have a HUGE problem with the direction the coaching staff has taken this organization.  Fire Arians and Lig immediately...and put Tomlin on notice that this kind of embarrassing effort on the field is HIS responsibility and will not be tolerated!  Any time we throw more than we pass....unless trailing badly...the play calling is questionable.  We were averaging over 4 yards per carry but our main guy only got 20 carries?  Give me a break.  If you want to play a pass first offense please leave Pittsburgh!  No excuses.  It didn't work for Marino, Moon, Cunningham, McNabb or many many others...what makes you think Ben is better than Marino or any of the others?

Mr Rooney, please consider the direction this team has gone in recent years....everything that made the Steelers such a great team to cheer for is slowly fading to a dim memory.  If the current staff can't put forth a better product than this who is ultimately accountable?  We have become a joke on special teams....our offense is one of the worst running games in the league....and our D is now more known for choking than for its dominance.  How much more can you really expect us to take before we just don't watch?  I feel like it is the 80's again and I'm almost embarrassed to be a Steeler fan....what would Chuck Noll have done with a kicker that spends more time drinking and getting in trouble in bars than working on his game.  Any NFL kicker who can't put the ball into the end zone on a kickoff in good weather should be in the gym building his leg strength not in bars destroying his liver!  Jeff Reed is an embarrassment to the uniform he wears but nothing is done about it....or may other troubling trends on this team.  It is past time to hold the coaching staff accountable for the debacle this year has become...four 4th wuarter collapse against mediocre teams is inexcusable!

jayroB wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:44 PM

calm down everyone...

this is certainly not the 80's

two tough weeks is all this is.  No one will stop watching or supporting the steelers after two losses.  

As far as coaching goes, Tomilin has been a head coach for 46 games and has a super bowl victory.  

lot of season left, but they do need to take care of the rest of this schedule and get in and get ready for a tough playoff run.

BFD wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:45 PM

flsteelerfan -

You are kidding right?  This team is 6-4....not sure how much of an embarressment this season is?

Put Tomlin on notice?  The guy one a SuperBowl in his 2nd year....... made the playoffs in his 1st year.....and still may make it this year,

Bit of an over-reaction

Pantherfan85 wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:54 PM

Flsteelersfan are you serious when you post that?  I certainly hope not.  We won the Super Bowl last year, or did you already forget?  With the #1 defense, mind you.  Going in to this game the Steelers had the #2 defense according to ESPN.  Oh, the horror!  The shame!

And that pathetic running game you speak of...17.  That's hardly one of the worst in the league.

Try and use some common sense, ok?

jayroB wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 6:01 PM

BFD - correct that this team is not an embarrasement, but 6-4 is nothing to be proud of -

I never thought that this defense was so reliant on #43.

BFD wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 6:22 PM

JAYROB -

I am just saying 6-4 and 1 yr. removed from the SB is not embarrasing....... the Det Lions are embarrasing...... The Pgh Pirates are embarrasing....

jayroB wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 6:37 PM

True...by any definition....the Pirates are an embarassement...

The steelers are simply in a strange, unfamiliar funk that hopefully will all be forgotten after a victory over Baltimore

daquido_bazzini wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 7:15 PM

SEASON OVER!....And I never say this unless I REALLY mean it.

From the first second off the clock this team almost looked like they wanted to lose this game.

From their continued actions, they did nothing to prevent disproving that statement.

This was a fiasco....A joke.

Get these next six games over with, and be done with it.

I hope they lose 'em all and get the best possible draft pick.

Winning a Super Bowl is worth this kind of a mess, but the Steelers have become the masters of winning a Super Bowl and laying a gigantic egg the next year.

They're done, and realistically I say they'll finish about 8-8.

Sound like 2005.

whytomlin wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 7:49 PM

Looks like Tomlin's scapegoat (Arnold Harrison) was not the problem on special teams coverage after all.  Tomlin needs to wake up and fire Bob Ligashesky and Amos Jones tonight!!!  

I'm glad to hear Mr. Smizik isn't going to defend the special teams coaches again.  I think Bob said it best in this post when he wrote...The players must  perform but there is no excuse for such a low level of execution on kickoff coverage. The buck stops with the coaches.

All coaches get paid good money to prepare their players for the upcoming games.  Clearly the special teams coaches are not doing the job this organization needs.  2 out of 3 years is not a good showing of consistency for this unit...Cut ties with these coaches now.

JL wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 7:53 PM

Actually guys, things were looking down when their were five games left on the schedule in '06. We had to win out, and then squeezed into the playoffs as the final seed. Certainly nothing we've done over the last two weeks merits playoff talk. And we probably need help from others. But it ain't over till it's over.

As for the relentless criticism for passing the ball, just see how we would have ended up had we passed less and handed off more. After a few weeks of false hope, our ground game has returned to earth. It's no abomination. And sure, it'll eventually get better. But it remains a proverbial work in progress.  Even with the interceptions and sacks that come with it, our passing game remains our strength. Doesn't matter if Arians is calling the plays, Ben is calling the plays, or whether we could reclaim Ken Whisenhut and get him to call the plays. They would all put the ball in the air with the personnel we have. Our ground game isn't ready to *carry* the offense. The Steeler strength is Big Ben, Santonio, Hines, Heath, and Mike W. Get used to it, gang. Still six games -and hopefully more- remaining this season.

Charlie Batch wrote Charlie Batch
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 7:58 PM

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JL wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 7:59 PM

I too, am no longer patient with Ligashesky. I was willing to take the measured approached with just the Harrison move, last week. But if this is how we get rewarded, then time to radically start shaking things up. Our kickoff return team is broken, and word is out to the rest of the NFL. Fixing this is priority one, over the next week. Assistant coaches, players -use as big of a sledgehammer as necessary.

chilco99 wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 8:52 PM

NFL Network commentator's summed up the Steeler's play perfectly: "careless football."

-poor tackling

-QB getting sloppy in holding the ball too long (enough is enough.) Not getting the ball off quickly on a "hot read."

-special teams play .....AGAIN.

Arnold Harrison had to have a grin on his face today while watching the clowns called the Steelers.

Reading wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 9:23 PM

Mendenhall made a great play on the 90 yard interception return while most of the Steelers had given up.  He was down near the 10 yard line on the other side of the field and must have run 100 yards or so before finally bringing down Studebaker on the 8 yard line.  That hustle resulted in a KC field goal instead of a TD.  Unfortunately, after that stand, the defense simply went through the motions the rest of the way.

Santo Gold wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 9:23 PM

Sepulvada could have done a better job in O/T with that punt.  He was kicking from the 38 didn't get much hangtime and it seemed like the coverage was on the sides while the punt landed in the middle of the field before bouncing into the endzone.  Yet another special teams gaffe.

hwilson wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 9:31 PM

Ike Taylor was horrible again today.  And, Ryan Clark---are we the only team that has a secondary that cannot intercept a pass unless Troy is playing? Taylor gave little effort to even tackle on a few plays and William Gay is always getting "confused" on coverage.

NYCSteelersFan wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 10:14 PM

Finally! We have a reporter covering the Steelers call out some coaches and throw some support to us fans that have been calling for Arians head for TWO seasons! We won the Super Bowl last season despite BA, not because of him. He's a flat-out awful OC week in and week out and shows no sign of having game-planned for an opponent. He's been lucky to have such a skilled, never-say-die, give up his body QB to make him look good.

Mendenhall has emerged as a dangerous weapon, Willie is healthy and Moore can be the third down back he was brought in here to be. But Arians isn't using them well at all or appearing to scheme for them. He repeatedly throws, throws and throw. I've never seen so many three and outs via incompletions in situations where throwing constantly is not needed! He's got to go! Realistically, they won't fire him till after the season?!

But the TWO special teams coaches should be unemployed by morning. That's how you send a message! Not by cutting a single, marginal player. In effect the opening kickoff cost the game.

Additionally, Ike Taylor is totally over-rated and has the worst hands of any db I've watched in my nearly 40 years of watching football. Troy is the ONLY real threat back there and such a disruptive force when on the field, he raises everyone's game on defense up a notch. It's unfortunate he got hurt in week 1 on such a fluke play like a blocked field goal attempt. But it's showing his real value now. I think I heard that we're 4 & 0 in the games Troy has played?! Nuff said.

The O-line has been suspect all year and is going to get Ben killed if they don't start scheming to protect him better, quicker throws and commit to the running game.

Tomlin needs to step up and put his mark on this team. It''s time he rolled some heads and stabilizes the situation by taking control and being more involved with the overall decision-making of this football team. He's shown he can talk the talk, but it's time to walk the walk.

I doubt any serious changes will be made unless the Steelers miss the playoffs?! I never thought I'd say this, but I hope we miss the playoffs, so that the drastic changes long overdue are finally made.

Tom (The Bomb) Tracy wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 10:24 PM

I'll say it again: The solution is to kick the ball out of bounds.

If the Steelers had done so the last two weeks, they would have lost only 19 yards in field position and allowed 13 fewer points.

Plus, they would have negated the risk for injury and had additional practice time to spend elsewhere.

aandreww wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 10:31 PM

i love how you yinzers speak about the stillers in first person as if you're on the team or part of the organization.  "we" should have done this, etc. ugh, how pathetic.

schadenfreude wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 10:41 PM

Not to worry - only 135 days to Opening Day!

schadenfreude wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 10:52 PM

We don't really know what is the cause of the special tems poor play.

I have yet to hear one detailed analysis of the problem.

Is it the coaches lack of preparation? Find that hard to believe.

Are they being out game-planned? Maybe.

Inferior talent on the special teams units? Seems that way.

Lack of tackling fundamentals? Idunno.

There has to be somebody who can tell us WHY they are giving up the touchdowns, but up to now, I haven't read or heard anything specific.

Has anybody heard anything?

collegesportsfan wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 11:12 PM

aandreww -- I think it is admirable for fans to say 'we' especially after a loss.  Most fans elsehwere only say we after a win ... and 'they' after a loss

PaulH wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 4:00 AM

Summation of the Pittsburgh Steelers to this point in season 2009 -

1. Every team they play this year has played at and will continue to play at a high level in order to beat the Super Bowl Champions.   We knew that.

2. This coaching staff led by Mike Tomlin has completely failed to prepare this team for this season, given number 1. The malaise that this team displays on the field is not in the Steeler tradition.  

Where is the running game, keeping the ball from the opponent while the clock ticks away?

Where is the shut down defense we're supposed to have, when you need it?

This great quarterback we are blessed to have can't do it all by himself in the last two minutes of every game?

Yes, there are flashes of Super Bowl glory here and there this season, but not nearly enough to beat some really bad and otherwise average teams.

It's the coaching!

Retire#21 wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 6:43 AM

This week proves that you can't just blame the special teams or Arians.  This was a total team collapse.  They all played a huge part.  The defense failed to come up with turnovers getting just 1 fumble recovery while dropping interceptions and failing to protect a 4th quarter lead.  The offense turned the ball over 3 times and formerly reliable players like Heath Miller failed to make easy catches and got nailed for a personal foul.  The special teams not only did the obvious, but then punted the ball into the end zone in OT from the 38.  What was that?

This implosion was total from Tomlin to Lebeau to Arians to our merry band of special teams aces.  Fortunately for the Steelers they play a team that they respect this week.  We've all seen how they do against teams that they don't respect.

In closing, I continue to be baffled as to why it is so incredibly difficult for this secondary to catch an interception.  Fortunately the Seinfeld reunion on Curb got me out of my Steeler induced depression last night.

kevin morris wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 7:05 AM

There isn't a team in the NFL that wouldn't take winning a Super Bowl every three years, and during this week of Thanksgiving those Steeler fans with an excessive sense of entitlement should think about how it might feel to be fans of the:

   * Buffalo Bills

   * Cincinnati Bengals

   * Cleveland Browns

   * Houston Texans

   * Jacksonville Jaguars

   * Tennessee Titans

   * San Diego Chargers

   * Philadelphia Eagles

   * Detroit Lions

   * Minnesota Vikings

   * Atlanta Falcons

   * Carolina Panthers

   * New Orleans Saints

   * Arizona Cardinals

   * Seattle Seahawks

They are all still waiting for their first one.  

psumule70 wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 7:34 AM

It is true that there is a lot of over reacting and fan expectations are a little out of hand.  However, the coaching has been suspect this season.  The team looks like they sleep walk through games.  Calls are not getting onto the field in time.  The secondary is completely lost as to their responsibilities without Troy.  The play calling has been awful with Arians at the helm.  And the Special Teams are a joke.  While the nplayers play the games, all these issues are coaching related.  Tomlin is definitely the long term guy for the Steelers, but he needs to show some of the same tough love  for Arians and the ST coaching staff as he was willing to use on Mendenhall.  I just dont understand why you would run wide on a third and three with your third string running back?  Its almost as if Arians tries to get a little too cute.

BFD wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 8:01 AM

Wow....read Colliers article today.  It sounds as if some of the players are as mistified at the 3rd and 2 play call in OT as some of the fans.

sonnydrysdale wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 8:02 AM

This season proves a point, when you get in the playoffs and get home-field advantage you better win out. They did that last year. Last season has no relevance to this one, teams change, attitudes change and coaching strategy and injuries play a key role. We are now experiencing the reason Tomlin never reflects on last season. It's irrelevant. Steelers fans seem to think the team is some how ordained to win. It's clearly not. So while the team find itself in a mid-season funk, we can only hope the team isn't thinking of past conquests. If they are they will certainly be left out of the Super Bowl tournament. After all it's not like the Masters where winners from prior years automatically qualify

flsteelerfan wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 8:30 AM

Actually....I am serious.  This is EMBARRASSING.  The Steelers have had a long, successful tradition of out working, out hustling and out hitting their opponents.  Even before the glory years of the 70's when we won NOTHING we were known as the hardest hitting bunch of losers (W/L perspective) in the league.  Where is that junkyard dog mentality with this team?  Our offense gives up sack after sack on the highest paid Steeler in history!  What good is a talent like Ben if he is always getting killed back there?  His career is getting shorter with ever hit he takes and at this rate he won't be playing when he turns 30...which should be his peak!

Our Defense can't play in the 4th quarter to save its life...and that includes the SB so don't give me that crap either.

The Steelers have always had a blue collar mindset of out working the other guys...and it is what gave them their identity.  No flashy trick offenses...no loud mouthed players....just hitting the other team harder than anyone else....running or on D.  This team plays like cheerleaders not hungry ball players.

It isn't the 6-4 record I find embarrassing....get that straight....and its not the very good possibility that we will miss out on the playoffs (even though the rest of the division losing means we didn't fall any further behind).  It's the way this team is playing regardless of record.  This isn't a Steeler team out there....it looks like Dan Marino's Dolphins or Dan Fouts' Chargers to me....lots of flash but no substance at all!  If I wanted to cheer for pretty boys who win and the heck with character I would be a Pats fan.  I bleed Black n Gold because who the Steelers have always been not their record!  This team needs to get back to the roots of Steeler football and remember who we are in Steeler Nation!  Hard working Midwestern blue collar fans who believe in hard work and effort to carry the day.  Hit the guys on the other side of the ball so hard they don't want to play anymore!  Defenses aren't scared of getting run over anymore, they are licking their chops for a chance to pad  their sack total and get a piece of Ben.  When the hardest hitting offensive player you have is a WR (Ward) there is something seriously wrong with everyone else!  

I would rather be 8-8 every year with a bunch of players and coaches giving their all every play than a "finesse" playoff team every year!

And for the statistician who wants to argue about our "17th" ranked running game.....check where we rank on 3rd down and 2 or less and 4th down and 2 or less over the last few years...you will find we are absolutely abysmal!  A Steeler team that can't convert a 3rd and 2 to save its life?  Like yesterday...that is pathetic.

Flame all you want.....it hurts because it is true.

Retire#21 wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 8:39 AM

I don't see how you can say the ground game returned to earth.  In the OT, Mendenhall had runs of 7 and 8 and 9 yards.  The ground game averaged 4.4 per rush last week and had 31 for 114 this week.  The ground game accounted for zero turnovers this week.  While the air attack is necessary and produced 3 touchdowns, it also produced the game changing interception, an INT in the end zone that also greatly affected the outcome, a fumble, three sacks and what was it, 5 holding penalties?

I like chocolate, but if you feed me chocolate 50 times a day, something bad is bound to happen.  Ben is not Peyton Manning nor is this O-Line the line of the Colts or the Patriots.  The Chiefs were the worst in accumulating sacks in the NFL and even they got three.  This team is not constructed to throw 50 times a game despite Arians' wishes, and probably Ben's too.  

Uncle Mort wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 9:09 AM

Bob [and all],

I agree with a lot of what has been said here and here is the three main problems with this year's Steeler Team:

1)  I see a slow and tired team at the end of the game---Offensive Line "looks" very much overweight and out of shape;  also two of the LB's (#'s 92 & 56) have added weight and are a step slower.....

2)  At least a couple of guys on Special Teams can't or won't tackle [#'s 11 & 29]....

3)  Offensive Play calling is too predictible, esp. in the Red Zone...on 1st Down inside the 10, the 1st play is always a "slow developing" trap for a loss--then there are two plays left before kicking a Field Goal!

getshirty wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 9:26 AM

Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah!  Yes, we suffered a humiliating loss yesterday, but let's be careful not to look like a bunch of spoiled brats here, turning on the team for not giving us the W we expected.  Steeler Nation cannot exist with fair-weather fans.  We need to rally around the team and support them--not desert them by tearing them down and telling them to hang up their helmets.

Of course there is some fair criticism to be leveled at the coaches and players, but we won't tolerate whining from them, so we shouldn't allow ourselves to whine.  Focus on what we can appreciate:  Sure, Ben might hold the ball too long, tempting opponents' defensive lines like a a plateful of crispy bacon, but . . . how fun was it to watch him avoid sacks yesterday, swatting away attackers like so many bothersome gnats?  How thrilling was it to see him find a receiver and make something work, seemingly out of nothing?  

How great was it to see Mendenhall hustle like mad to make that crucial tackle?  How great is Mendenhall's developing story PERIOD, come to that?  He used to make me cringe whenever he had the ball, but now I can't wait to see how he handles a hand-off.

Am I worried that we won't play in the post-season?  Yes.  Is that humbling for a Steeler fan?  Sure is.  Do I wish our D didn't seem to rely so much on the presence of 43?  A million times, yes!  But for me anyway, the fact that it's football season, and that I get to see the Black & Gold take the field with the potential to knock peoples' blocks off like Ryan Clark did yesterday, hitting a guy with a bone-shaking crack . . . well, win or lose, it's still the most wonderful time of the year.  

Here we go!

gregenstein wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 9:48 AM

@flsteelerfan: "I would rather be 8-8 every year with a bunch of players and coaches giving their all every play than a "finesse" playoff team every year!"

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I'll take the other side of this fence. I'd rather be a playoff team than an 8-8 team. A playoff team is always better than an 8-8 non playoff team.

All this being said, it's becoming clearer that Mendenhall their 2nd best offensive player. This team should aim to return to a 50/50 pass/run split or least get closer to it. Too many bad things can happen when you throw 45 times a game. You get 9 good ones in a row, but that one bad one usually costs you the football.

Meathead wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 9:57 AM

Keep in mind that Trent Dilfer once won a Super Bowl.

The Whis wouldn't have lost to KC.

PittDad wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 10:01 AM

Uncle Mort, I think you need to review the play by play for that game again regarding your “trap play” theory on first down.  The one time they did get Mendenhall for a loss on 1st down in the RZ, they ended up with a touchdown on the series.  By the way, Roethlisberger threw on 1st and goal on the KC 10 when Studebaker intercepted him.  I actually think they were a bit too pass happy in that game yesterday, including first down.  The toss to Moore was an absolute joke in OT. Sepulveda subsequent punting into the endzone didn’t help but the D has to come up big and didn't.   The O-Line is sub standard, but considering their talent level they actually overachieve in my opinion.  Maybe Colbert and Tomlin will ignore that position come draft time again next year.

Anyhow, I agree that special teams is a travesty.  How Ligashesky has a job right now is beyond me.  The Logan experiment should also come to an end. He’s a waste of a roster spot.  He hasn’t shown that he’s that game breaker on returns and obviously he avoids tackling when covering kicks.  Furthermore, the defense once again fails to make big plays with Polamalu out.  “Butter Fingers” Ike had his chance, but failed.  The penalties also have to be addressed.  That’s just lack of preparation.  I think the Steelers had a “W” already marked on the board for this one.

Even Ward was blaming the coaching staff for this one.  I think the honeymoon is over.  They have to go down to Baltimore this week and another loss may be forthcoming.  The Steelers chances of making the playoffs may be down the drain shortly and that’s very disappointing considering the talent on this team.

john61562 wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 10:01 AM

I know they won the Super Bowl last year, but I'm quickly losing faith in the coaching staff. It's the same mistakes every week. Poor special teams, poor red zone (Ben's ad lib saved them yesterday) play calling and blown leads. The third-and-two call was inexcusable. Likewise, was having Harrison drop back in coverage on the third-and -nine from the KC ten with eight minutes left. Kansas City threw everything at Ben when they had to, and it worked. It seems like Tomlin leaves everything up to his coordinators. Cowher was no Lombardi, but he knew when to take control. I may be wrong, but this year's team has already blown more ten point leads that all of Cowher's teams.

john61562 wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 10:11 AM

Aandreww,

You call others "yinzers" and you criticize them for speaking in the first person, but your post identification comes with a picture of a professional athlete. Now that's pathetic!

Navy Author wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 10:22 AM

Bob.  This is the situation where I always admired Bill cowher.  I know that old fine line speech between winners and losers he used to put out.  Maybe Mike needs to take a page out of Bill's old playbook.  Post the schedule and say "This is it we're 0-0, the season starts today."  It was very corny but very effective. I think the special teams coaches are doomed but who can he put in there now at mid season? That has to be an issue. I think Mike Tomlin's way to look at games won out yesterday.  The more violent team will win. Well I think the KC Chiefs were more violent particularly at the end. I see several problems on our team with very good players.  Yes I said "our" Paying 185.00 scalper prices gives me the right.

One:  Dah special teams.  Not just tackling but kickoff depth.

Two: lack of defensive picks by the secondaty. Clark, Taylor, and Gay :-(

Three: Offensive play calling remains Offensive. Those smooth machine offnsive teams llike New England, New Orleans, Indy, and now Minnesota they all seem to have one thing in common. They are in sync. The Steelers do it in spurts, but its not enough.

Four:  Are we tiring in the 4th quarter?  Is this a depth issue? We melted down too many times to ignore this.

Five: Notice I did not mention O line. These guys were giving Ben lots of time.  The blitzes were running over the blocking back. AKA the more violent team won with their special weapon : The Steelers could not stop Dick Butkus Studebaker the future hall of famer.

All in all it's not embarassing it just backs up the old Bill Cowher philosophy that you are never that much better than your opposition and once you start believing you are your doomed.

I think the Steelers can win all their remaining games and I believe the Steelers can lose all their remaining games.

I guess what matters most is what the players and coaches believe. Personnally I just wanted to vent because I feel crappy because the STILLERS ARE  WE and it is US. And it ain't just entertainment.

Meathead wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 10:41 AM

Bill Who?

PittDad wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 10:41 AM

I think the last couple of games have made one thing clear, this team has several issues and weaknesses.  

1. A defense that only seems to prosper when #43 plays.  

2. Lack of big plays on defense.

3. A defense that only plays the first half.

4. Old story but still an issue: A sub par offensive line

5. They’ve got to have more faith in the running game at certain times.  Those days of just grinding it out with the lead seem to be a thing of the past.

6. Special teams are just putrid

7. Preparation and focus seem to be lacking

8. Super Bowl hangover (again)

By the way folks, I’m still rooting for the Steelers to make the playoffs, but I think we should start preparing for an early exit or for them to not even make it.  If the team keeps finding ways to lose, it doesn’t bode well for a long run in the playoffs.  I know this is hard for the Steeler Nation to deal with, but it’s the stark reality of the situation.  This team is not on par with last year at all.

ICDrinker wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 11:09 AM

Special teams coaches Bob Ligashesky and Amos Jones must go and must go now. They are directly responsible for what has occurred and WHAT will occur. To give up a KO on the first kick is absurd and embarassing. I agree Tomlin is the responsible as well and if he does not fire them ASAP, he should be held accountable.

Too many special teams blunders...its embarassing and ashamed

SteelerMark wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 11:21 AM

Your not overreacting when you've been saying it for three seasons- I’ve been telling you all along. Two interceptions leading to KC TD’s. Sacks galore and now Ben is dinged for real. Now what? Pass even more maybe? That seems to be the prescription… oh yea except on third and two with the game on the line… there you run a (fullbackless) toss sweep so the ball carrier can start 8 yards behind the line of scrimmage and the LB’s can get a good run at the ball carrier. Just brilliant BA is. Just brilliant. What a great offensive mind!

ONE OTHER THING- Willie Parker is by far the better RB. Mendenhall runs STRAIGHT UP and gives up two yards every carry! It's ridiculous and it is Tomlin's doing, just because he drafted him. Mark my words, Mendenhall has fumbles yet to come, and short yardage stuffs too. Honestly I would like to see the guy succeed, but the old adage "wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up first."

PittDad wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 11:22 AM

I agree IC, Ligashesky needs to have a one way ticket stamped out of here, but that's only one problem this team has right now.  And now Batch out for the next 6 weeks from an injured wrist and Big Ben stil woozy, you may see Dennis Dixon this week in Baltimore. It's going from bad to worse.  Bye bye playoffs.

flsteelerfan wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 11:27 AM

I'll take the other side of this fence. I'd rather be a playoff team than an 8-8 team. A playoff team is always better than an 8-8 non playoff team.

I respectfully disagree.....a playoff team with no chance to advance also has little chance to improve via the draft.  God knows the Steelers aren't going to spend a bundle in free agency, nor would I want them to.  We have always excelled at building via the draft but picking 26th in the 1st round won't score a lot of prmiere talent.....if you don't have the team to contend why go?  We have built a team unable to contend with the Chiefs, Bears or Bengals (who lost to the Raiders?) and you like our chances with the Colts, Pats, Bolts, Saints, Cards, or Vikes?

C'mon...stay true to your identity and accept the ups and downs....but don't reinvent the wheel when you already have the most successful franchise in modern day football!

ItsMyLife wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 11:38 AM

What's apparent to me is Arian's style of playcalling has left the defense vulnerable late in games.

Arians doesn't seem to understand that when you have a 10pt lead, you rely on your running game to control the clock and keep your defense off the field as much as possible.  

I've felt for three years that given the amount of talent this offense has, they are not performing to the level they should be and nothing I've seen this year has changed that.

 

The Steelers offense was on the field for 44 minutes, 7 seconds; the defense was on the field 22 minutes, 25 seconds.  Thanks to Arians' offense controlling the ball, the defense should have been rested. He is not to blame for the defense falling apart.  -- Bob Smizik)

PittDad wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 11:45 AM

Whoa SteelerMark, I was with you until the Mendenhall comment.  If you want Parker instead of Mendenhall, you better slow down and get some oxygen.  You're talking about Willie "I fall down as soon as I'm touched" Parker?  Wow, give me a break.  Mendenhall is the real deal and Parker is on his way out.  Better get used to that.  Mendenhall is the perfect combination of size and speed and he is the RB of the present and future of this team.

And I will have to say to those that are smoking the black and gold bong need to take a reality pill.  This team is not championship caliber.  They're lucky if they make the playoffs.  This isn't a little bump in the road.  "Yinz" better wake up and realize it.  I want to see them do well, but they've got too many issues to overcome right now.  They'll need the moon and stars to come into alignment with the way things have played out to even get a wildcard.

PittDad wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 12:18 PM

SteelerMark, I bet you have Fast Willie in your fantasy league, don't you?

BlitzBurghDude wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 12:19 PM

"Although the game was decided in overtime, it was lost on the first play when -- incredibly -- Jamaal Charles returned the opening kickoff 97 yards for a touchdown."

The FIRST play of a game vs. not only an inferior opponent, but one of the 5 or 6 worst teams in the league, losing the game???  PREPOSTEROUS!!!

OFFENSE:

-  24 pts. scored...14 of which were set up on short fields in opponents territory (one by defense/one by special teams).

-  3-21 pts. squandered on 3 turnovers in opponents territory (one fumble, two interceptions-one in red zone).

DEFFENSE:

- 20 pts. allowed...3 of which were set up by the offense allowing a 94 yd. red zone INT. return to the PIT 8 yd. line.

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"Random thoughts immediately following what might someday -- maybe today -- be remembered as the game that undid the Super Bowl champions:"

I'm confident that last week's game was the "one that undid the Champs"...the look in their eyes & their body language, when with just under 2 min. left  the Cincy FG sailed thru the uprights, giving the visitors a 6 pt. lead and more importantly meaning that the Steeler offense would need a drive to paydirt...a challenge for which they had no answer...one might even say they BLINKED!

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@NavyAuthor-

The o-line was giving Ben lots of time?  Seriously???

@SteelerMark-

One INT lead to a TD, one lead to a FG...Fast Willie better than Rocket Rashard?  Right here, Right Now???  C'MON MAN!!!

flsteelerfan wrote-

"and you like our chances with the Colts, Pats, Bolts, Saints, Cards, or Vikes?"

dude, Steelers already BEAT the Bolts & Vikes...and haven't LOST to the other 4 either!

Max00 wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 12:20 PM

YOU PEOPLE!!!

You are missing the big back story here.  I have emailed Smizik hundreds of times trying to convince him that Cowher was largely responsible for the Steeler shortcomings, and he never agreed that the man who essentially ran the draft, hired the coaches, hired the assistants, and picked the team was responsible for games like the KC game.

Now, Smizik finally seems to see the light - the coach is key to winning, to preparing the team, to picking the team, to organizing the team.

BTW, does anybody see any parallels this year to the folly of the Tommy gun offense?  Didn't we learn anything?

BlitzBurghDude wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 12:32 PM

MT:  We aspire to put forth our utmost effort, on the grass, between the white lines, in front of the crowds, in stadiums, sometimes under the lights & that effort is what is put on tape & that is our resume' & ultimately that is who we are.  Although we strive for perfection, we know we will never reach it...

...breaks down like so:  the past two weeks, on one occassion with everything in the division on the line & on the other against a blatantly inferior opponent, your team BLINKED in the face of adversity & failed to answer the bell...for that YOU are accountable, any ???

JL58 wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 12:33 PM

Fire Arians he didn't win a Superbowl, the Steelers won the Superbowl despite his inept game planning and play calling.  Lets pitch it back and take ourselves out of FG range. Brilliant call there...

Fire Ligashesky how many weeks does it take to demonstrate this guy doesn't have what it takes to coach Special teams in the NFL?  or maybe we can cut another player...

The verdict is still out on Tomlin. Says all the right things, but can he coach?  Can he make the tough personel choices?

We will see...

PittDad wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 12:42 PM

Maybe Tomlin should have gone for it on 4th and 5, like Belicheat did.  LOL.   Oh wait, that wasn't Peyton Manning on the other side?  Steelers sure made Cassel look like he was Manning on that last drive. Oh well, nevermind then.  

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 1:29 PM

I wonder if Ron Cook will write another article about how Bruce Arians is a wonderful OC who won a super bowl.  I'll be waiting....

 

(You have a problem with 525 yards of total offense? -- Bob Smizik)

JBurns wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 1:32 PM

January 3, 2010

Steelers @ Dolphins - 1 pm

Penguins @ Panthers - 5 pm

Hmmm I think this might work out perfect...

flsteelerfan wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 1:33 PM

"and you like our chances with the Colts, Pats, Bolts, Saints, Cards, or Vikes?"

dude, Steelers already BEAT the Bolts & Vikes...and haven't LOST to the other 4 either!

You have to beat them all or it doesn't mean anything bud.....yeah we beat Minnesota and San Diego...and then what?  Completely flopped to lame teams....winning 1 or 2 in the playoffs isn't gonna get it (gonna take 4 on the road this year from the looks of it  #6 seed and hanging by a fingernail)....if we can't beat the crappy teams what do you think will happen when they are eliminated and the only ones left to play have seen our GLARING shortcomings and have the personnel and coaching staff to capitalize?  Right now Tom or Peyton would eat our defense alive!  Matt Cassell drove 90 yards to put it into OT!  If we can't stop Kyle Orton or Matt Cassell what chance do we have with REAL QB's?

Tommy Gun! LOL...god wasn't that awful?  And you are right..we are right back in the same mind set we were then...except then we had a QB who did throw quickly and a line that could block....just WRs who couldn't catch....now we have one of the worst OLs in the league (going by sacks), a QB who holds it all day (sometimes for a great play but often for more heartache) and WRs who can't catch (judging by all the drops this year).....any predictions for how this version of the Tommy Gun works out?

C'mon....run the dang ball!!  Draft with that intent, coach with that intent, call plays with that intent and stick to it....how many 1-2 yard runs did Bettis have before he broke down an opposing D and then chewed them up in the 4th quarter with the game on the line?

BTW...for anyone who wants to point out the run to SB40....a running team travels well in Dec not a passing team......

daquido_bazzini wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 1:55 PM

I find all this finger pointing at Bruce Arians to be laughable.

Nobody was looking for his head when that Super Bowl ended in early Feb.

This is a team with the dreaded Super Bowl hangover.

I could tell early in the season they were not in the shape that they were in last year.

After the Denver game, I thought they were getting it together.

They'll now be lucky to finish 8-8.

Execute the play that is called!

It's as simple as that.

This looks like a team that wants to go home.

Get it over with and quit blaming one coach.

As Chuck Noll used to say....Yesterday was a "team effort."

PittDad wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 1:58 PM

Willie Parker:  3.3 yds/att

Reshard Mendenhall: 5.1 yds/att

MORE WILLIE PARKER!!

*rollseyes*

JL wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 2:06 PM

To all you guys saying "run the dang ball," I got news for you: our best run-blocker is out for the next few games. I said it before and I'll say it again: I'd love to have offensive balance just as much as the next guy. But our passing game remains our strength, like it or not. And without Kemoeatu, our running game just got weaker. Like Bob Smizik points out above, Arians and our offense dominated the time of possession. If I had to pinpoint reasons we lost (and there are a forehead-slapping plethora of them), the defensive meltdown at the end, or the kick return for a TD at the beginning, would head my list. For those who don't like a pass-first offense, you might want to pass, yourself, on the Steelers' games for a little while.

SteelerMark wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 2:09 PM

1) To Bob- 525 yards of offense with turnovers, sacks, and the offense setting KC up for scores, AND A LOSS- yeah I got a big problem with it! The goal is not to get the most yards in the league, or the most points in the league (as BA thinks it is); the goal is to maximize the chances of victory. What good is a 90 yard drive that ends in pick six? I'll take 250 yards and a victory all day long.

2) I do not own Parker in fantasy. I'm just watching him run, and comparing him to Mendenhall. Go look at the tape. The guy runs more vertical than any back I can ever remember, and he gets the yards that are there, not a penny more. He's got some burst. beyond that though he is an average RB. Sorry, I wish it weren't true.

3) Just like I wish MT hadn't hired BA.

SteelerMark wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 2:14 PM

PS- I own Jones-Drew and R Williams i.e. real RB's

flsteelerfan wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 2:31 PM

to "fools gold"

We don't have to worry about the "pass first" offense long...(Ben out & Charlie hurting)...at the rate Ben is getting clobbered he won't be playing long.  The sad truth is the biggest loser in this offense is Ben....he is a very talented player who is being sacrificed weekly by this organization.  He is young and hungry and probably relishes the role of GoTo Guy....but weren't we all young, hungry and WRONG once upon a time?

When he is 30 and out of the NFL because of concerns over his numerous (by then) concussions he will look back and think "Why didn't we run the dang ball more?"  Bruce Arians is rolling the dice with the game the way he calls plays but more importantly he is rolling the dice with Ben's long term career!

Kemoeatu being out isn't good....but run blocking is easier than pass blocking and we are almost out of QBs at this point!!

JL wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 2:32 PM

The pick coming off the ball that went right through Miller's hands was about as close as you're going to get to a freak event of nature as possible, when it comes to the ordinarily very dependable Heath Miller. That was NOT Bruce Arians' fault.

PittDad wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 2:57 PM

You got me there SteelerMark.  I own Adrian Petereson and Chris Johnson.  So I'm not a very good judge of RB talent.   Oh yeah, I have Mendenhall on my bench.   The Willie Parker fantasy comment was just a joke, by the way.  Willie Parker is in the fade out stage of his career, so I am perplexed by your preference for him over Mendenhall who is now coming into his own.  

And I have to agree with all those defending the offense here, not that I'm a big Arians fan.  This came down to the defense not being able to hold down the fort (again).  Although another special team gaff hurt them early, the team fought that off and should have won this game.  They couldn't stop KC when it mattered most.  The offense and some play calls had some issues, but they weren't the reason this game was lost.

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:01 PM

You have a problem with 525 yards of total offense? -- Bob Smizik)

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When it only produces 24 points?  Yes.

 

(There's nothing wrong with 24 points. It wins most games. But not when the defense gives up 27. -- Bob Smizik)

JL wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:02 PM

flsteelerfan  

At first, I thought you were insulting Santo Gold. Then I realized you were addressing ME! And that was clever. I've practically forgotten about my avi (I had changed my usual avi in a fit of protest over the farce Neal Huntington has turned the Pirates into...).

Anyway, much of what you say is very true. I have voiced my opinion, too, that I fear for Big Ben. But getting back to Arians, it's not like we have that much of a choice. Sure, Mendenhall is running better than he did during the pre-San Diego stage of his career. But the fact is, despite what BlitzburghDude is always saying, it is the run-blocking that is the weakest part of our team. Certainly without Kemoeatu for a while. Besides, Jerome Bettis declared early in the season, there is still no surge with these guys. Yes, it is true they are now sometimes opening up nice holes for Mendenhall. Things are looking up. But I believe some of our recent, moderate success running, comes off the successful passing we do. Sure, the ideal is to do it the other way around. But if we think we can just go into Baltimore next week, declare a new team identity, and pound the ball at will, we'll get handed our lunch.  We have to work with the personnel we have. Kemoeatu is out. Ben, Hines, Santonio, Heath and Mike W. are all available.

Again though, I worry too about Big Ben, if we don't evolve away from this. His concussion, yesterday, is scary.

flsteelerfan wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:03 PM

Fools Gold...you're kidding right?  A pass getting deflected or missed by the target resulting in a pick is a freak of nature?  Are you under the impression that most picks in the NFL are just bad throws?  You need to pay more attention....most picks are a result of 1) tipped balls 2) QB pressure changing a throws mechanics and 3) miscommunication between QB and target reading defenses differently and expecting different routes ( the zigged when I thought he was gonna zag scenario).  When good QBs throw picks it usually ISN'T the QBs fault but one or more of those conditions.  2 of those conditions usually occur when the QB is under duress.....which rarely happens during a handoff....when was the last time you saw a Steeler fumble the handoff exchange?  It happens but not nearly as often as the INT happens....not even close.

Compare the number of fumbles per rush attempt in the NFL to the number of picks per passing attempt and then come back to the discussion about putting your team in the best position to win.  Heck, really do the homework and compare the average return on a fumble to the average return on a pick to see just how dramatic a change in the game it is.

BA doesn't put the Steelers in good positions....just ask Hines Ward or listen to his interview!

Fans can sit around and debate whose fault it is forever, and probably will, but the bottom line is that it is the responsibility of the guy in charge if something doesn't work.  Our offense doesn't succeed in the Red Zone worth a dang and our defense blows fourth quarter leads..who do you think should accept the responsibility for that?  It starts with BA on offense and LeBeau on defense but ultimately ends with Tomlin.  Talk about the lab all you want but til we see something done to address these shortcomings they should all feel the heat!  LeBeau does get a pass imho due to his incredible contribution over the years but not indefinitely.  I don't know what it accomplishes to have the D standing around looking lost all the time but I'm sure there is some diabolical idea behind it all.  Whether or not it is a good idea I'm not so sure of as I can't see where it is doing anything positive but at least its a new wrinkle.  But I still prefer Blitzburgh Defense to this new look anyday

I'm done...I think I have the frustration out of my system for now....but man does it suck that we blew an excellent opportunity to gain a game on Cincy because of our loss to such a crappy ball team as KC....downright embarrassing....but I still came to work today wearing my colors and took the beating like a man....wish the guys running our organization could do the same any more....

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:04 PM

That was NOT Bruce Arians' fault.

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Why are they throwing the ball up 10 pts to begin the 2nd half?  THAT IS Bruce Arians' fault.

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:08 PM

Nobody was looking for his head when that Super Bowl ended in early Feb.

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Um. There's a whole website created to firing that man and it was put up prior to SB 43.  So, yes, there were people calling for his head prior to the SB win.

And, to your point about the SB....

Their O was ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league.  The D won that superbowl by keeping the Steelers in games and allowing the O a shot at the end of games.

He is using a SB trophy that was won despite him (and his garbage playbook and play-calling) as smoke and mirrors to keep his job.

Arians needs to go (along with others).  It is now imperative.

flsteelerfan wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:11 PM

FYI...not intended to be insulting....really...Im mad at the Steelers not the fans...and I don't expect us to presto chango into a "successful" running team in one week but the sooner we start the sooner we are again.  Unfortunately it means changing the mindset in the office and drafting/building a team that can run as opposed to a "finesse" passing team.  Not an easy or quick thing to do but then this change has been building gradually for a few years...we just are really getting a good look at the results this year.

Don't let my frustrations make you think I am directing any of this at any fan on this forum...I just wish that the guys calling the shots could understand how troubling recent history(last 3 years including SB win) has been to many of us old timers and correct their mistakes before we go through another drought like we did after Bradshaw retired...who wants another QB carousel starring Bubby, Mark, Kordell et al again?...not me.  Treasure Ben while you have him but don't ruin his career by letting him be a tackling dumy every week!

SteelerMark wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:15 PM

Here is some blog commentary from last week- KC game is now exhibit "D":

If the Denver game is Exhibit A against the Steeler offensive philosophy (the offense had net zero points until mid fourth quarter), the Cincinnati game is Exhibit B. Exhibit C would be this week’s quote by Dick LeBeau,  "A lot of good things can happen for the defense when they're (an offense is) passing".

And while team after team adds the Wildcat to their playbook, our coordinator said it won’t happen in Pittsburgh because Ben makes too much money! Oh brother.

Also, is anything going to be done about the coverage coach? Or are our players incapable of tackling a returner?

And what in the name of coaching are we doing holding on to the red flag when Lavernius Coles is clearly out of bounds (in the first half)? What did we have to lose, a time out?

All pay due heed to the LeBeau quote- Smizik in particular!

Why Didn't I get to see Roberto? wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:25 PM

And while team after team adds the Wildcat to their playbook, our coordinator said it won’t happen in Pittsburgh because Ben makes too much money! Oh brother.

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This is also the same man that got rid of the lead-blocking FB from the O, and now puts a TE back there (one who is a 3rd stringer behind MATT SPAETH! and has probably never been a lead blocker in his life).

This is the same man who comes out throwing the ball in the 2nd half consistently when the Steelers hold 1/2time leads.

The same guy who refuses to throw a screen pass (I am happy he has started to run the draw a little more) to Rashard b/c we have to throw screens to Holmes and Ward and HEATH MILLER! (I still cannot get over the TE screen...what is the point of that play?)

But, he was the OC when the Steelers won a Superbowl......

NYCSteelersFan wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:32 PM

ARIANS HAS TO GO! And I've been saying it for the past couple of years! he simply is not the right OC for this team! When is the last time Ben dropped back to pass and threw to the spot he expects the receiver to be at; in other words as it was drawn up and called? Practically never! Instead he drops back, is under siege, starts ducking, twisting, spinning and if fortunate enough throws to a receiver that's been trying to get open and or come back for the ball.

If it wasn't for Ben's atheticism and God-given ability, he would have been Ken O'Brien already; defeated, sheel-shocked and being run out of town! In large part he's the reason we won, but the season sack totals keep mounting and if this "concussion-oriented" condition turns out to be a mild concussion, that's what two? Three? Once they start coming, you're more susceptble and you're Merrill Hodge.

Ben is the franchise! Protect and keep him upright and the best way to do that is...

- Fire Arians

- Commit to the running game

- Prioritize in drafting some stud lineman.

Lastly, why is it so outlandish to expect Arians to be fired? We've had some cluncker OC's previsiouly that didn't work out and got canned! Remember Ray Sherman? Joe Walton? Kevin Gilbride? Sometimes it's a bad fit and doesn't work out.

ARIANS HAS TO GO!

BlitzBurghDude wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:49 PM

flsteelerfan,

They DID stop Kyle Orton.  In case you just jumped on the bandwagon, the ENTIRE SBXL run, including the Super Bowl ,was won by throwing the ball not running it.

@ Cin - big play...WR reverse/FleaFlicker to Ced Wilson!

@ Ind -  came out heavin' it & went up 2 scores quick, Ind. didn't know what hit 'em!

@ Den -  Ben won that game by himself!

SBXL - 2 big plays via the pass led to 2 of 3 TD's...Ben & Antwaan's throws to Hines!

BlitzBurghDude wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:55 PM

(There's nothing wrong with 24 points. It wins most games. But not when the defense gives up 27. -- Bob Smizik)

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but when the defense gives up ONLY 20 (KR TD, notwithstanding) as the Steeler D did, and in the process HELD the opponent to 3 pts. after an offensive turnover in the redzone resulted in a first & goal from the 8, and you're playing a team ranked 27th & 30th against the run & pass...the offense should score more than 24 pts., especially since 14 of those were set up via outstanding field position by the defense & special teams!

SteelerMark wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:56 PM

Hey Blitz- And that is the beauty of the running game, it makes passing so much easier and so much more effective.

You need to get out of the BA school for egotisical OCs and get into the Whisenhunt school for winning offense!

BTW- in the games you mention, we did pass a good bit to get ahead (completely unexpectedly which is key), and then we ran to win them!

Navy Author wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:59 PM

The whole Ligaheskey is a bad coach thing is baffling. True he probably should get axed but it is bilwildering to think that most other teams can figure ths stuff out but we can't.  We have the great Dick LeBeau out there as the D Coordinator and he is legendary, but  we also have the maligned Ligaheskey out there and his unit is like some Charlie Chapman comedy schtick. Aren't there enough competent collective minds in the Steeler organization to figure this out? So what is this great mental or physical challenge that can't be conquered by the Steeler players or coaches?

Chuck Noll always felt the problems were simple; hit them harder than they hit you. Maybe everyone has gotten too damn scientific and worried about making an error when the real answer is simply hit them a hellauva lot harder than they hit you. I remember when the Steelers no longer had the talent to compete for championships in the 80's . After a bad game Chuck Noll would do this back to the basics education.

Even his subpar teams would knock the snot out of you. I remember Craig Wolfley playing at left tackle (he was a guard  but had to go at tackle from injury) and consistently beating the great Lawrence Taylor to the punch in a game against a great NY Giants team. Taylor did nothing against Wolfley that day. That guy was a Stiller.

Conversely I saw soft and cheesey tackling on this special teams. Or worse no tackling at all.  I am sure Wolfley didn't like it. I  am positive Dwight White didn't.

And Bruce: With Ben out ,Mendenhall is your ace. If the Minnesota Vikings lost Farve and needed two yards do ya think they would have run Adrian Petersen?  Either we are going to believe in Mendenhall or we ain't. That was his game to win and coaches you took it away.

@PittDad:  Where can I get a BlackNGold Bong for my Stiller room?

BlitzBurghDude wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 4:02 PM

PittDad wrote-

"And I have to agree with all those defending the offense here, not that I'm a big Arians fan.  This came down to the defense not being able to hold down the fort (again)...The offense and some play calls had some issues, but they weren't the reason this game was lost."

REALLY???  Defense allowed 20 pts., while holding the opponent to 3 on first & goal from the 8, which was set up by the offenses futility vs. a team ranked 27th & 30th defensively & one that entered the game having sacked an NFL QB 22 times in it's past 25 games, yet the o-line had NO ANSWER for them for the most part, as Ben once again was running for his life & to his credit, that is why 500+ yds. of offense was produced.

daquido_bazzini wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 4:13 PM

Um. There's a whole website created to firing that man and it was put up prior to SB 43.  So, yes, there were people calling for his head prior to the SB win.

And, to your point about the SB....

Their O was ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league.  The D won that superbowl by keeping the Steelers in games and allowing the O a shot at the end of games.

He is using a SB trophy that was won despite him (and his garbage playbook and play-calling) as smoke and mirrors to keep his job.

Arians needs to go (along with others).  It is now imperative.

-------------------------------------------------------

There's some websites that want Bob Nutting to relinquish the Pirates, but some people don't agree with that either.

To me....The killer in that game yesterday was giving up TWO long passes in a row to Matt Cassell and a couple no-name receivers later in the game.

Do we want to put up a website to asking for LeBeau's head?

I think not.

The team had an incredible year last year....It's just not happening this year.

JL wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 4:18 PM

flsteelerfan,

No, I don't take the "Fools Gold" stuff as an insult, at all. I just thought it was jab at Santo Gold, at first. But it's all in good fun.  I've been called worse around here, just in the past 24 hours. I can take it all. But since nicknames do have a way of way of sticking, maybe if I could ask you to call me "JL," I'll work on changing my avatar in return.  

Anyway, all that stuff about "interceptions" was a bit tedious and my eyes glazed over before finishing it. Of your enumerated points, the first two scenarios are examples of the defense beating their man and doing exactly what they intend to do. The third is an example of the kind of screwup that is highly blamable on people not paying attention. But anybody not named Limas Sweed should be expected to catch a perfectly thrown ball put right into his hands, especially Heath Miller. A quarterback making a bad throw may not be so rare. Miller not catching that? Yes, a rare event. I forgive Miller in a heartbeat, of course. But you certainly cannot pin that one on Bruce Arians. If you want to see what it's really like to have "BA not put the Steelers in good positions," see him cave to all the armchair offensive coordinators around here and actually try handing off the ball all the time. Against Baltimore. Next game. I guarantee it won't be pretty.

SteelerMark wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 4:18 PM

BTW- Byron Leftwich to return to the Steelers- soon- and this time to stay for a while!

JL wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 4:25 PM

Daquido,

Bravo for fighting the good fight. BA is such an easy target for those who need a pin cushion. In any given game, some offensive plays will fail. Why so many think that then validates their witch hunt, defies reason.

Gang, I gotta go. Work and the outside world intervenes.

PittDad wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 4:31 PM

BlitzBurghDude,

The defense has been failing to make big plays when it counts.  They've had second half failures in the Chicago, San Diego, and both Cincy games.  Luckily they survived the SD game with a win.  It happened again yesterday in the second half.  Other teams are are making big plays against this defense and it's happening regularly when Polamalu is out.  Like I said, I'm no fan of Arians, but the defense needed to stop the 27th ranked offense (KC) from scoring in the second half and OT (since you want to play the ranking game).  KC scored 27 points yet they had been averaging less than 16 per game.  20 of those points in the seond half and OT.  Hmmmmm.  

Dotcomer wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 4:34 PM

I'm a die-hard fan, living and working the Philipppines. I pay good money to catch my Steelers by watching them online and also ordered a special cable subscription so I don't miss any of the games.

When Bob Ligashesky was fired by the Rams as their special teams coach, they were once again near the bottom of the NFL in kick returns in 2006, ranking 26th on kickoffs and 25th on punts. The kickoff return game in particular was a problem all season as the team never identified a viable return man. The coverage units were also poor again, as St. Louis surrendered three touchdowns on returns, one on a punt and two on kickoffs. Why is this guy getting a special pass? Is it because he's a local guy? What is the purpose of a special teams coach when you are ranked in the bottom of the NFL and you're putting in your starters to play on special teams? How in the hell did he get a job in the first place? On what merit? What will happen if a Bret Keisel or a James Harrison gets hurt playing special teams? ( or any of the starters? ) How long do we have to wait until we fire this guy? Do we wait until the special teams gives up two touchdowns in the AFC championship game, like back in 2002 when Jay Hayes got fired after the special teams gave up two touchdown returns?

Ever since Ligashesky has took over on special teams, the standard has become so low that we as fans, have become satisfied when we the special teams merely "survives". We don't even expect our special teams to be a strength, we just don't want to give up any big plays.

I find maddening and comical that Arnold Harrison was let go and Mike Wallace took a kick return back. TALK ABOUT BEING DESPERATE. When was the last time another player in the NFL, during the same game, replaced a kick-off returner? Do you the blocking on the Steelers punt return and kickoff return teams? THEY HAVE NO BLOCKERS!!!! Every time Logan or Moore has the ball, they are swarmed by 4-5 defenders with nowhere to run!!!!! Am I the only one that sees this?!?! You can have Gale Sayers back there returning kicks. It won't make a difference.

Remember, Allen Rossum, the kickoff returner whom the Steelers traded a draft pick for in 2007? He was one of the best kickoff and punt returners in the NFL when the Steelers acquired him. However, Rossum became the fall guy ( sound familiar? ) and got cut. The Niners picked him up and of course he ran a kickoff return for a touchdown and enjoyed one of his best seasons in 2008, having set career highs of 26.8 yards per kickoff return and 14.9 per punt return. The kickoff average ranked third in the NFC while the punt mark was second best in the NFL. Rossum ranks second in league history with 14,987 return yards.

The problem is the special teams coach, not the players. We expect our defense and offense to excel. Why don't we put the same standards on the special teams? Is there any other team in the NFL that is this bad on special teams? I find it hippocritical that Mike Tomlin always talks about the importance of special teams and he's putting up with this.

I long for the days when we had Roon Zook and Bobby April....hell, I'd even take Jay Hayes again )

"Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

JL58 wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 4:50 PM

Who is calling the plays when the offense looks the most effective? Ben. Not Bruce.

Time for Bruce to move on towards his lifes work. I don't care if others think he should be fired or not... I've never been happy with his play calling, and don't like how he runs the O.  

OldPossum wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 5:18 PM

I didn't notice anyone mention what I think is a glaring problem w/ our not-so-special teams and that is Jeff Reed's inability to kick the ball into or out of the end zone.  He usually kicks to about the 10 yard line, to me that is a 10-15 yard jump the returner has on the kicking team.  Watching other games this weekend most kickers blasted their kicks into the end zone.  Maybe we should hire a kick off guy only w/ a strong leg e.g. the one the Ravens just cut.  Oh and don't tell me that Liga-whatever is having Jeff place the ball, if that strategy is so great why all the returns?  Just sayin.

BlitzBurghDude wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 5:52 PM

JL-

Hello?

Is there anybody in there?

Just nod if you can hear me

Is there anyone at home?

When I was a child I had a fever

My hands felt just like two balloons

Now I've got that feeling once again

I can't explain you would not understand

This is not how I am

YOU have become comfortably numb

YOU have become comfortably numb

YOU have become comfortably numb

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sounds like a waffle job to me bro...now you want a balanced attack?  what about playin' to the strength of the team???

"the run blocking is the weakest part of the team"

Fast Willie = 3.3 yds. per carry...

Rocket Rashard = 5.1 yds. per carry (top 5 among all NFL RB's with at least 100 carries)...

CORRECTION...the RunningBack who is on the downside of his career seems to be much more of the PROBLEM than the run blocking, which is not the weakest part of their team, as per the members of the unit themselves!

BlitzBurghDude wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 6:07 PM

PittDad wrote-

"The defense has been failing to make big plays when it counts.  They've had second half failures in the Chicago, San Diego, and both Cincy games."

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But more recently, thus more importantly, in the last 4 games:

OFFENSE has scored 7 TD's!

DEFENSE has allowed 4 TD's & scored 3!!!

Geno71 wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 6:32 PM

First off Stephon Logan has to go, he's the first on down the field but he can't tackle anybody. Also somebody has to tell "Big Play" Willie Gay that the object of kick coverage is to actually make the tackle not just run beside the returner like its a windsprint. Watch the tape he ran side by side with the KC return man for 20 yds and never even stuck out his hand to try and stop him.

BlitzBurghDude wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 6:33 PM

PittDad,

Correct me if I'm wrong Sandy, but even considering the abject failure that the total  team effort was in the game's regulation 60 mins., didn't the Steelers go on OFFENSE to start the OT session?

PittDad wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 6:43 PM

I guess it must be sacrilegious to criticize the Steeler defense?  If you can't see the inability to see them make big plays or their failure to hold leads in the 4th quarter then you've got your black and gold glasses on.

Sure the offense and special teams have significant issues, but if you think this defense is blameless in the Steelers 4 losses then you've got a distorted view of the game.  They looked gassed in the second half of games and they aren't making the big plays when it counts.  That was Matt Cassel throwing to Chris Chambers, Leonard Pope, Jamaal Charles, and Lance Long yesterday.  It wasn't Brady to Welker and Moss.

JL wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 7:12 PM

Blitz,

Look who's calling the kettle black!

First of all, where's the waffle? I say that while we all would like a balanced attack, that the reality is that our passing game is our strength. Our passing game is ranked 4th in the NFL. Though Mendenhall is coming along nicely, our ground game is only ranked 17th. You tell me which is our strength. Instead of muttering song lyrics, you need to stay in bed and sleep off your feverish hallucinations.This clear discrepancy between 4th out of 32 and is not the function of the skilled position players. It's that of the O-line. They used to plain stink. Now they alternate between smelling like baby's breath and smelling a baby's diapers. The reason we don't pound the ball -as much as some some mindlessly purport to want (I don't believe it; if we did try and run more, the usual suspects would be wailing about Bruce Arians even more)- is because the run blocking cannot *consistently* be counted on, yet.

Now then, here is a song for YOU, about YOU:

www.youtube.com/watch

JL wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 7:16 PM

Above should read: "discrepancy between 4th out of 32 and 17th out of 32."

Dammit! All this back and forth with Blitzburgh, and I've caught his virus...

nycstillerfan wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 8:21 PM

Look the coaching staff put together by Tomlin was eventually

gonna come back to haunt us! I've never seen such poor special teams play on this level in almost 40yrs as a Steeler

and NFL fan.Further, what is it with Arians? After every

decent first down run, we pass? Am I wrong or wasn't it

2nd& 3 when Big Ben had to scramble and with the knee

to the head could easily have been lost for the season?

Why are we even passing there?

And yeah, no doubt the D isn't the same w/o Troy BUT

can we help them out a little?

This is quickly becoming one of the most disapointing seasons I can remember...and I go back to '72!

The same group returning, the schedule and the

loses on D suffered by Baltimore had me thinking

12-4/13-3 and a 1 or @ worst a 2 seed.

Now they'll have to fight us to make the playoffs&play every

gm on the road.

To me, this could be the start of some rocky yrs b/c

the last 2 drafts have provided very little AND Ben's shelf

life is gonna be short unless the O-line is seriously addressed.

This team could easily show up for spring camp looking VERY

old.

JL wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 9:39 PM

NYC,

My friend, I know I can exhale when I see you tallying up the team's issues. You're fretting on the BLOG N GOLD brought us good luck last year during our run, and hopefully you'll help us repeat this year. Not that I'm making light of the issues (well, some of them ;-)    ). You wouldn't know it by the last two weeks results, but I still believe this team is different than the '06 team flop. Ben and the offense only took last week off. The 24 points and 500+ yards in total offense was a major improvement. The defense folded like a bad hand, yesterday. But until then, they had been playing superbly for two months. Really, the special teams are our only chronic problem. More importantly, I think the players know the score, this time around. If we can just stave off the injury bug going forward, I think we'll finish strong.

Now as for future seasons... yes, age might be catching up with us. Kevin Colbert, Art Rooney, and the rest have to play their cards just right to prevent us from succumbing to age. But I choose to worry about that later. Till then, I still think the current crew has it in them to take it all, in February. They just have to straighten out their collective funk and stop underperforming.

roadrunner wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 10:34 PM

I read the articles in todays paper pertaining to the Steelers game vs. the Chiefs yesterday at Arrowhead.  Collier, Cook and Bouchette - some of our best sports writers in my opinion, who I enjoy reading at all times, even if I don't agree with their views.

But the fact that none of these gentlemen dared broach the sensitive subject of Bens very ill-advised decision not to slide feet first was a glaring omission.  What WAS he thinking?  Going head first in that situation was simply irresponsible.  When he knows that by sliding he is more protected and could possibly draw a penalty.  It's a no-brainer (sorry for the pun) and now the reason that he shouldn't have reacted this way is becoming painfully obvious.  Back-up Charlie Batch also got injured after replacing Ben and now he needs surgery and will miss the rest of the season.  

Do you get it now Ben?  Or maybe your 3 prior concussions have clouded your judgment?  It was a stupid choice and hopefully you can learn from this mistake.  For your sake.

t2pyah wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 11:18 PM

.

Zook and April were bad and so were the Steelers special teams under them.  Check the stats. Rah-Rah and little more.

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BlitzBurghDude wrote re: Kick coverage costs Steelers again
on Tue, Nov 24 2009 10:54 AM

JL wrote:

Blitz,

Look who's calling the kettle black!

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YOU...as you were the first to cast the "hedging" stone at me on previous threads...I was merely pointing out that your comments can be construed similarly.

The reason that the Steelers are ranked only 17th on the ground, is because Mendenhall basically missed the first 3 games...2 touches-2 touches-BENCHED...not because of their inability to run block...

...once again, don't let the FACTS stand in your way:

- LAST in sacks allowed, regardless of the timeframe, since Ben has been at the helm...NOT LAST in rushing during the same timeframe.

I deal with those like yourself daily in my line of work & have even had close personal relationships with those like you.  You are of the ilk that does not allow the FACTS to ever stand in the way of your opinion...the great thing about the threads on blogs such as this, is bantering about ones opinions with those of other well informed fans who have a similar passion.  However, it becomes tedious when dealing with those that discount those facts that cast doubt upon their opinions.  Even worse are those that spin inaccuracies & take others opinions out of context in order to support their argument...

...spin doctoring reminds me of politicians, lawyers & car salesman...'nuff said!

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PitDad,

It's not sacreligious to criticize the Steeler D in my book, as I have done the same through the season's first month (specifically the Chi & Cin collapses), but the defense has improved as the season has progressed, yet the offense has regressed & the numbers bear that out.

- The Steeler offense had ONE sustained TD drive, notwithstanding those set up on short fields in opponents territory, of over 50 yds. against the NFL's 30th ranked defense (so there's no need to name the offensive players for KC in order to make your point, since their defense is also bereft of talent).

- The Steeler defense allowed 20 points, 3 of which were actually a positive, as they were put in the unenviable position of having to defend 1st & goal from the 8, against the NFL's 30th ranked offense.

- Again, past 4 games...offense 7 TD's scored, 3 against 30th ranked defense...defense 4 TD's allowed & 3 TD's scored!!!

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2  things that the Big Boy seems incapable of:

- throwing the ball away, in order to avoid a sack/int.

- sliding to cap off a run, in order to avoid contact.