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Letters: Fairness of Pittsburgh fans

Saturday, 1 a.m.

 

Q: I may be in the minority, but I thought the intense booing of Brett Farve's return to Green Bay on Sunday was classless by the Packer fans. No matter the reason for his departure in 2008, he has given the Packers 16 years of great, competitive football including one Super Bowl championship. The fans could have at least acknowledged that with applause at the beginning of the game and then moved on to root for their team. I would like to think Pittsburgh fans would have reacted with applause if that situation had or would ever present itself here.

Tom Foster 

 

Bob Smizik: Fans seem to becoming more vindictive all the time. If they can't be on the field, they still want to affect the outcome of the game.  My guess is Steelers fans would not react a whole lot differently than the Green Bay fans did.  Although, in fairness, if you saw the game, there were some Green Bay fans applauding Favre. 

As you might know, a minority of Pitt fans were booing quarterback Bill Stull as late as the sixth game of the season, although Pitt was 4-1 and Stull was among the NCAA leaders in passing efficiency. The reason they were booing him: The final game of the 2009 season. Fans anywhere can be an unforgiving lot.

Let’s not forget the showering of boos Barry Bonds received every time he came back to Pittsburgh. Granted, he was not the hero in Pittsburgh that Favre was in Green Bay. But his departure wasn’t as bitter as Favre's.  And Bonds did help the team to get to three playoffs. In his six-plus seasons in Pittsburgh he won more MVP awards (two) than any player in team history.

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Q: As a lifelong Steelers fan, I have been raised to expect nothing but the best from the players week in and week out. Even though Ryan Clark’s previous trip to Denver ended horribly for him, he should still play this week because he is cleared medically. Past events shouldn’t affect future ones.

Ryan Clark is a vital player for the Steelers. Taking him out of the game would severely hurt the defense, and in turn hurt the chances of Pittsburgh winning the game. Logically, the decision by the Steelers to not play him isn’t a smart one.

Matt Blobner

 

Bob Smizik: You sound a bit selfish, Matt. You seem to be putting your own interest above Ryan Clark’s health. I’m not quite sure what ``medically cleared’’ means. I do know that Ben Roethlisberger was medically cleared following a concussion to play against Oakland in 2006 and had a horrible, horrible game. Troy Polamalu was medically cleared to play against Cleveland and did not appear to be 100 percent.

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Q: I could not agree with you more. One aspect that bothers me with some sports radio show hosts is that the Yankees are winning by simply playing according to the rules and they have no culpability for this terrible disparity in this sport. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Yankees are foremost in their effort to make sure the gap between the halves and have-nots remains as wide as possible. The owners make the rules and the Yankees lead the lobby to prevent a salary cap, limit or eliminate the luxury tax, maintain no sharing of revenue from television contracts, and ensure that their team continues to get he most national TV exposure.

I used to attend over 15 games a year, I have not gone to one now in years, with no intent to do so as long as this is such a poorly managed league. The fact that there is no chance for parity makes this even less appealing.

Barry Vukoder

 

Bob Smizik: My point was there should be little satisfaction on the part of the Yankees in winning when so much is tilted in their favor. Judging from their reaction and that of their fans, my point was lost on them.

In defense of the Yankees, they are playing within the rules. They have only one vote in MLB and certainly could not stem the tide of change if the other teams wanted change.

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Q: I totally agree with your comments regarding Urban Meyer and his "punishment" of Brandon Spikes. His treatment of the incident is disgraceful, and someone at Florida should step in and suspend Spikes for the remainder of the season. I thought Meyer had a lot more class than this, but I've lost all respect for him. He should be ashamed of himself.

Dan Frost

 

Bob Smizik: Well said, Dan. Meyer has a blot of his resume that won’t easily be removed.

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Q: Despite my allegiance to Pitt, I've always tried to respect Joe Paterno. With that said, don't you find it incredibly juvenile that after all these years, he still holds a grudge about this league he tried to put together decades ago? He helped to ruin one of the more passionate rivalries in American sport, and despite his most impressive career resume, that should not be forgotten.

Jordan Wilfong

Bob Smizik: Joe Paterno is a very complex man. It is widely believe he holds a grudge against Pitt and that is why he will not schedule it. If that is the case, yes, it’s very juvenile.

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Q: Why not have sponsors for a Pitt-Penn State game -- something like the “PNC Fall Classic”. With sponsorship and TV rights, this game would make far more money than the weak links both teams currently play – and thus overcome one of PSU’s frequently mentioned obstacles “we need the funds from the extra home game”. Make sense? 

Greg Berkebile

 

Bob Smizik: While sponsorships are a revenue stream colleges certainly mine, I don’t see it happening in this situation. Penn State has gross revenues in excess of $2 million for a home game, regardless of the opponent. I doubt a sponsor's fee could come close to matching that.

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Q: I was born in 1986 and one of my earliest memories of college football is Jay Leno making a joke that went something like, ``Hurricane Andrew is getting so bad, it actually blew U. of Miami football players into the classroom.’’ I am just curious when did Division I athletic departments sell their souls, so to speak (admission standards, on and off field behaviors, etc.). I guess I'm just wondering if there was a time when college athletics were 'pure', because I cannot recall one.

Steven Watkins

 

Bob Smizik: I think when colleges started to realize how much money there was in football and basketball they became less concerned with a prospective athlete’s grade-point average and more concerned with his time in to 40-yard dash. Once one school lowered its standards, others had to follow in order to compete. Some held out for a long time, but today even the Ivy League and the service academics make exemptions for athletes.

I doubt college athletics ever were pure -- the human specie being what it is -- but from personal experience I can tell you in the early and mid-1960s the football and basketball players were students and had the same entrance requirements as the rest of the student body. I’d say this started to change sometime in the late 1970s.

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Q: Please - enough already of this Pitt-Penn State talk. I watched in the late 1960s as Paterno ran up the score year after year, so he could climb the ladder leading to a national championship. It seems like Pitt has made some very sound decisions - Big East, etc. - in the past 30 - 40 years (well, OK, maybe we haven't always gotten the best coaches). We certainly were correct in staying with the Big East.

I love the Backyard Brawl! As far as I'm concerned, it is THE rivalry. Thank you, Joe, for ending the series with Pitt. Bob, don't you think it's time to file Penn State away with the script logo, as nothing but a memory?

Bruce Lindquist

 

Bob Smizik: I’m not so sure that Woodland Hills (were it in existence) couldn’t have run up the score against some of those Pitt teams in the late 1960s. I, too, love the Pitt-West Virginia rivalry. For me, it will never replace the Pitt-Penn State rivalry

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Q: I was thinking about the recent posting regarding the ACC's raid on the Big East awhile back. And also about the BE looking for a 9th football school. Do you see any way that Boston College may rethink it's position and move back to the BE? Are there contracts that would prohibit them from doing that? BC in the ACC makes no real sense to me just as DePaul in the BE for basketball. I say the powers that be should lobby for BC to rejoin the BE and allow DePaul to go to another basketball conference where it can be more competitive.

Doug Sekelik

 

Bob Smizik: Boston College’s decision to leave the Big East for the ACC remains inexplicable to me. I doubt  it is currently interested in rejoining the Big East. The administrators at the school certainly would look like fools if that happened. As you suggest, I’m fairly certain there would be harsh financial penalties if they left the ACC.

Somehow I don’t think DePaul would graciously leave the Big East to make room for Boston College. That remains a constant problem for the conference. While it needs a ninth football team, it cannot expand beyond the 16 it has in basketball.

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Q: I read an article awhile ago during the big exodus of Miami, BC, and VT to the ACC, that stated the greatest impact was the loss of Miami because recruiting in Florida would suffer without having a Florida school in the Big East. Does it help to recruit kids in Florida with a Florida school in your conference? The reason isn't so much the brand name alignment but giving coaches an opportunity to recruit face to face during the season. I don't know if it's true or not but I think universities think it is. This may help explain why BC left with Miami and VT for the ACC and why the BE added USF.

Marnie Levine

 

Bob Smizik: I think the Big East took in USF mainly because it needed an eighth team and USF was in a large market. There are positives and negatives to having a Florida team in the Big East. The positive is that it gives the other Big East members additional name recognition in the state, which can help. But by taking USF in as a member, the Big East immediately upgraded the school’s credibility. Where some players might not have gone to a non-BCS school in the past, they now look more favorably at USF and, indirectly, less favorably at the other Big East schools.

 


Posted Nov 07 2009, 01:00 AM by Bob Smizik

Comments

BFD wrote re: Letters: Fairness of Pittsburgh fans
on Sat, Nov 7 2009 7:02 AM

The reason fans boo'd Favre is that he "held the team hostage" for about 4 years prior to his departure with his indecision each offseason whether he'd return or not, therfore handcuffing the team by them not knowing whether or not to move forward.  They simply asked for a decision which Favre took offense to.  Then he "screwed" the Jets with the fiasco of last season....... he thinks he is bigger than the game.

I can't believe anyone has an issue with CLark not playing based on the outcome last time and him still having the condition.  Medical clearance doesn't mean everything...... guys are given clearance all the time after a concussion..... look at the hearings this past week regarding this.

collegesportsfan wrote re: Letters: Fairness of Pittsburgh fans
on Sat, Nov 7 2009 7:35 AM

Some returning Pittsburghers have been cheered (Jose Pagan, Sid Bream, Ron Francis, etc), others have been booed (Bonds, Rod Woodson, Cliff Stout) ... depending on the situation and any departing remarks made.

Note that like USF, Va Tech benefitted by joining the BE, and publicly ackowledged as such by Coach Beamer.  I know that BC was widely criticized by their own fans and Boston media for jumping to the ACC .. not sure of the dissent has waned over time ... but I do know their closest ACC team is nearly an 8 hour drive from Boston.

Note that since joining the B10 in 93, PSU did have a 4 game series (97-00) with Pitt, but don't know how far in advance that was planned.  I do know (or at least read) that PSU offered a 2 home and 1 away set-up after that.  I also know that PSU agreed with a home and home this past summer with Rutgers, and PSU AD Curley said that he was excited to renew the rivalry (I believe PSU has played RU about 25% of the time they played Pitt) .. but I assume if more had to do with RU being close to NYC as well as RU's coach Schiano.

kevin morris wrote re: Letters: Fairness of Pittsburgh fans
on Sat, Nov 7 2009 8:37 AM

Regarding BC's decision to move to the ACC, I think one factor may have been their fears that the Big East, without Miami and V. Tech, might lose its BCS slot and become a second rate conference (no need for input on that, Chico).

If the Big East needs to clear a space for a football program why not throw N. Dame out? The league's current relationship with the Domers makes me, as a Pitt alum and fan, feel dirty.

As for Pitt-PSU, while I hate the fact that the two teams don't play any more, I just don't see how their playing benefits PSU. As long as they are able to stuff 110K into the Beav for games against Whatsamatta U or NorthEastSouthwestern State why would they take on a home-away with a team that will beat them once in a while? No team in the nation lines up a weaker non-conference schedule than the LIons, and as a consequence if they had beaten Iowa they would still be begging for someone to beat  Texas, Ala, or Florida.

You would have thought JoPa would be tired of having undefeated teams that don't get invited to the big show.

Joe Lawrence wrote re: Letters: Fairness of Pittsburgh fans
on Sat, Nov 7 2009 12:57 PM

Wow, Bob...I'm really struggling to find the merits of your response to the Brett Favre question.

If Cowher ever goes to the Browns, I'll boo him every time he shows up in the Burgh....lustilly, I might add. And I still miss him as our coach as much I really like Tomlin.

When Jagr went to the Rangers, I gleefully boo'ed him and would do it over and over again.

Those two teams are hated rivals of Pgh teams, just as the Vikings are of the Packers. I say boo him till he cries! Pens fans definitely got in Jagr's head with the booing.

...and the Barry Bonds angle?....Puh-lease, Bob!

Bonds was a jerk while in Pgh. I could not wait to see him go, Gold Gloves and MVP award or not. And his place in baseball history is clouded by his hubris.  So, yes I booed him too....over and over again. But that has nothing to do with the Favre discussion.

Now, if player gets traded - like Tony Pena did - thats a different story. I cheered for him whenever he came "home" for a visit. A good guy, great player who left involuntarily. A coach who is fired and comes back might deserve the same treatment as well. Joe Montana got cheered in SF when he came back...why? Because he was pushed aside and everyone knew it - and he wasn't playing for the Cowboys or the Rams...he went far away to KC.

Guys who foresake sentimentality to join a hated rival don't deserve the sentimentality of the fans. When the discussion turns to "its a business", fans have every right to treat it that way too.

Booing Favre in Green Bay is not classless...anymore than Favre ignoring the Vikings/Packers tradition for his own desires is. Why make the guy comfortable? Do I really want Brett Favre coming back to Lambeau and enjoy the experience at the Packers' expense - no way!

Classless is hurling personal insults or cups of beer. Boo's are simply letting a player know where he stands with the fans at that moment. Its part of the game.

Finally, the Stull comment is a reach to stir up some chat. I don't boo him - he's a gritty kid playing college ball - and to your point - one of us.

(I'm quite sure what I said to get such a response. You're entitled to boo whomever you want. It was the writer, Tom Foster, not me who was put out with the booing of Favre.

As for Stull, I did not inject his name to get chatter.  The writer wondered if PIttsburgh fans would boo Favre. Well, if they boo Stull, I think they'd boo Favre.  You Pitt fans are really sensitive on that issue. (You should be.)

Nor did I say it was right or wrong to boo Bonds. I was pointing out that Pittsburgh fans have a history of booing former great players.  The writer didn't think Pittsburgh would boo Favre and I thought Bonds was a good example to show that they would. -- Bob Smizik

kevin morris wrote re: Letters: Fairness of Pittsburgh fans
on Sat, Nov 7 2009 4:53 PM

I would like to apologize for my juvenile response to your statement. I am sorry, it was totally uncalled for.

On top of everything else that made it wrong, it really goes to prove your statement.

Not to in any way make an excuse, but I had recently finished watching the Pitt game and was feeling great about the win and the team. I thought I was safe from any references to that subject, and your statement caught me off guard.

At least I didn't gouge your eyes or pull you to the ground by your ponytail.

(Apology accepted, Kevin, and consider this incident forgotten. -- Bob Smizik)

Joe Lawrence wrote re: Letters: Fairness of Pittsburgh fans
on Sat, Nov 7 2009 5:12 PM

Bob,

Based on the first two sentences of your respone to Mr. Foster, I assumed, right or wrong, that you sympathized with his view and were not merely indicating what Pittsburgh fans might do.

There is no reasonable parallel between Favre and Bonds or Stull. The former was an hero in Green Bay; neither Bonds nor Stull were or are heroes of the same stature in Pgh. Only Lemieux, Clemente, Joe Greene and a few others are comparable. Fortunately, none of those guys ever left, leaving Mr Foster's question the subject of considerable conjecture.

Your rationale aside, I agree with your conclusion that Pittsburghers would behave similarly. I just don't think its classless.

(There are different kinds of booing. Booing the opposing team is traditional. Booing Barry Bonds is understandable. If you want to boo Cowher, if he goes to Cleveland, I can see that.

But the booing of Stull was vindictive. The treatment of Pryor by Ohio State fans is the same.

I'm old-fashioned, I suppose, but I remember President George H. W. Bush calling for a ``kinder, gentler'' society. What a great idea, I thought at the time. It has never happened.

 I remember when sports used to show the way in terms of good sportsmanship. Now it shows the way in terms of reprehensible behavior -- both players and fans. -- Bob Smizik)

PoopyPantsJoe wrote re: Letters: Fairness of Pittsburgh fans
on Sun, Nov 8 2009 9:14 AM

How long are you going to beat the dead horse that is Pitt fans booing Bill Stull?  He was HORRIBLE last year, and NO ONE including his own team had much confidence in him to start the year.  I believe Paul Zeise wrote in one of his chats or articles that the Pitt team was not totally behind Stull to start the year.  Maybe it took some fans longer than others to gain confidence in him.  I'm surprised you aren't still harping on Pitt fans for booing Matt Lytle back in the late 90's.

(How does being ``horrible last year'' translate into being booed in the sixth game of the next  season when Pitt was 4-1 and he was among the leading quarterbacks in the country? 

As usual, Joe, your logic is flawed.--- Bob Smizik)