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Letters: Milledge another Hamilton?

Saturday, 1 a.m.


Q:  Let me preface my question by saying I'm in no way trying to cast a false aspersion on Lastings Milledge. His past and his reputation stand on their own merit. What has surprised me is that no column I've read or talk show I've heard has looked at the risky Milledge acquisition in relation to the Cincinnati Reds' risky acquisition a few years back of Josh Hamilton. Like Milledge, Hamilton had loads of potential. Like Milledge, Hamilton made himself a pariah through immaturity and some very bad decisions.  (Again, I'm not trying to infer that Milledge has the same drug problems that nearly ruined Hamilton's career and life).
 
MillidgeBut, if Hamilton could right himself and become an All-Star, and procure for the Reds two Hamilontpotential dynamite starting pitchers (Edinson Volquez and Danny Herrera), why do the Pirates get so much grief for trading a marginal outfielder and a middle reliever for a talent who could become the next Josh Hamilton?
 
Mike Anitori


Bob Smizik: An excellent point, Mike, and, as you suggest, one that has been overlooked. In comparison to Hamilton, Milledge has been a choir boy. Hamilton was the first pick of the 1999 draft by Tampa Bay. Almost immediately, his life spiraled out of control due to drugs. Incredibly, he made it to the majors in 2007, when the Reds took a chance on him, and he has developed into an outstanding player. Considering what Hamilton has done, Milledge looks like a worthwhile risk.

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Q: What are the chances Pirate ownership will change in the near future?  With Bob Nutting in command, winning isn't No. 1, but maybe No. 10. Like other businesses that are failing, until there is change at the top, the organization will flounder. 

Barry Steinberg


Bob Smizik:  It's hard to get a handle on Nutting's commitment. As long as the team is making money, I don't see him selling. I think he likes being an owner. When the time comes -- if it comes -- and the team absolutely must increase payroll, he might sell. But there’s not a hint of that on the horizon.
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Q:  It appears that the Pirates are not interested in retaining their experienced, talented players such as Freddy Sanchez, Jason Bay and others. What do you think of their current general manager, Neal Huntington, and his  ability to select good prospects who will develop into bona-fide major leaguers?  If Huntington is not the man, what do you think of the Pirates going after and paying whatever it takes for a GM who has a proven track record in picking and developing major league talent, such as the GMs of the Marlins,  Brewers or Twins?

Jose Marquez

Bob Smizik:  The Pirates had a chance to hire a high-profile GM in 2007 after firing Dave Littlefield. They chose a low-profile front-office executive, Huntington, instead. Huntington is in no danger of being fired, nor should he be, so any discussion of a successor is irrelevant. Huntington has impressed me with the way he goes about his business. He certainly knows and understands the game. Whether he is a good talent evaluator or able to make beneficial trades remains to be seen.

Also keep in mind that top-of-the line executives are not eager to work for the Pirates. Frank Wren, the No. 2 man with the Atlanta Braves at the time, was the first choice to succeed Cam Bonifay in 2001. He interviewed for the job and -- wisely, it turns out, -- rejected the position. He later succeeded John Schuerholz as GM in Atlanta and still holds that job.

As for Bob Nutting ``paying what ever it takes,'' my response is this: Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

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Q:  I think it goes without saying Pirates management will stick to its current “rebuilding plan,” regardless of what anyone thinks of it.  They will disregard fan backlash and critics from the local and national sports media. But here is the rub. We have nothing to replace Jack Wilson and Freddy Sanchez (if they are traded). They are the glue in that middle infield.  Yes, we will lose with them or without them, but isn’t there something in baseball called the “integrity of the game”?

We will be playing teams in the hunt for the playoffs in the second half.  Without those two, and no one to replace them, the team would be a mockery of baseball. To keep some semblance of a halfway competitive team, I really think the commissioner should step in. Someone has to stop Huntington and his team from making a mockery of the game.

Mike Zoric

 

Bob Smizik:  It's true, Mike, that without Sanchez and Wilson, the Pirates would be a pushover for almost every team and certainly for the contenders. But the fact that Wilson will be a free agent at the end of the season and that Sanchez might be gives the Pirates every reason to trade them and no reason for the commissioner to step in. It's a good thought, though.
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Q: Does Freddy Sanchez's All-Star appearance mean that he will be traded for sure?  I don't think there is any way that the Pirates will pay Sanchez $8 million next year.

James Zerfoss


Bob Smizik: Sanchez is on the market and the Pirates probably will end up trading him. However, since the Pirates are paying Jack Wilson $7.4 million, Adam LaRoche  $7.05 million and Sanchez $6.25 million this season, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to believe they’d pay Sanchez $8 million, if they could not get a good return for him. That should be particularly so with the contracts of Nate McLouth and probably LaRoche and Ian Snell off the books next year.

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Q:  Since all teams get at least one player on the All-Star roster, what happens if the Buccos trade Freddy Sanchez before the game?  Seriously, I don't think it's too absurd with they way they've been moving players lately.

Michael Napier


Bob Smizik:  I doubt Sanchez will be traded before the All-Star game but it’s possible he might have to miss it because of injury. If he misses the game, he does not have to be replaced by another Pirate.

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Q:  Trust me, this team has the talent, passion, dedication, wherewithal and whatever other cliché you want to add to lose 100 games
 
Bob Boscia

 

Bob Smizik:  It remains an uphill struggle to reach 100, but, as you suggest, hardly out of the realm of possibility.
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Q: I grew up living and dying with the Bucs. But in the last 10 years I have attended only one game a year, and that is when an old friend visits from New Jersey. If no one shows up, maybe they will make some effort to improve. Fans keep going to the games. Attendance is actually better than it was in the past in the other stadiums. Once again, do not attend the games.

Mike Singer


Bob Smizik: It certainly is your right to not go to Pirates game and many others believe, as you do, that’s the best way to get the team to spend money and improve. Personally, I continue to attend games because I find them to be an enjoyable experience. I can still enjoy myself at PNC Park, even if the Pirates lose. It is entirely possible that if attendance dwindles, ownership will not respond by raising payroll but by cutting it and continue to make a profit thanks to revenue sharing.

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Q:   I have to disagree with your response to William Jeffers in your July 4th blog. He was correct in describing the horrible economic system in baseball. In reality, baseball has the worst economic structure in all professional sports. Jeffers was right in saying the rare small market team able to break through was "catching lightning in a bottle".

 You countered with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, who did indeed have a miracle year last season. However, the Rays wouldn't even qualify for the playoffs right now, and expecting Tampa Bay to contend for more than a few years just isn't realistic, given the economic disadvantages smaller market teams face. The statistical evidence reveals smaller market teams only have a few years as World Series contenders, before the inevitable roster turnover occurs. No small market team has ever been a serious contender for even several years since the early 1990s.

Mike Rhodes


Bob Smizik: The economic system in baseball is the one that exists for almost every other business plan in this capitalistic society of ours.  It's true, it does not level the playing field for small-market franchises as well as the systems that exists in the NFL, NBA and NHL.  But those businesses are the exception, not the rule.

For example, if I start up a fast-food restaurant in my neighborhood, is there anything in place to put me on an equal footing with McDonald's?  I think not. That's the American way.

Baseball has survived for over a century under such a system. And it continues to thrive. As I look at the standings today, I see Minnesota, Florida. Seattle and Milwaukee all in contention for titles. In the NFL last year, Washington and Detroit, major markets, finished last in their divisions.

What's next for the salary cappers?  All college football facilities must be identical so no team has a recruiting advantage? All college basketball arenas must have the exact same capacity and ticket prices must be the same so no team can garner more revenue than another and use it to expand its recruiting base?

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Q:  Your blog about Pirate manager, John Russell, finally getting excited about something (Jones and the second half of the Pirates' season) was one of the funniest and best written articles that I have read in a long time.! Keep up the great work! I read your blogs religiously the first thing every morning.

Matt Stokan


Bob Smizik:  Much appreciated.

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Q: How much closer to .500 do you think the Pirates would be with Jason Bay still in the lineup?

Wil Hrovat


Bob Smizik:  Bay was a very good player, the Pirates best. But they were eight games under .500 when he was traded last year. As I’ve said here many times, the chances of him signing a long-term deal with the Pirates were next to non-existent. If he had, his agent never would have got another client and the union would have beat him over the head forever. The Pirates made the right move in trading Bay when they did.

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Q: It is becoming more clear that David Littlefield may have been the worst general manager in the history of baseball.  I always thought he was ordered to draft No. 1 picks based upon signability, but even if that were true, the Pirates have almost no prospects from his drafts. His middle-round and late-round picks never developed. You have to give the new regime some time but honestly, right now, don't you think this current major league roster is also the worst we've had pretty much ever.?

Greg Ribar


Bob Smizik: No question, Littlefield didn’t leave much behind and the scouting and development during his tenure was abysmal. But the Pirates inability to draft and development good players has been going on long before Littlefield arrived. Yes, I agree that the personnel on this team is the worst in a long time.

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Q: Unfortunately.  I have had the opportunity to watch Joel Hanrahan and Lastings Milledge in action with the miserable Washington Nationals far too many times, living in the Washington D.C. area as I do.  Hanrahan has great stuff and absolutely no control of it. He  was bombed almost every time out. At times, he misses the target by feet. Seriously, by feet. Milledge? How long can a player survive on potential alone. He had good opportunities to prove his worth with the Mets and Nationals and failed miserably. Why would Huntington want to introduce his crap attitude into the Pirates clubhouse?  I don't get it. The last two players on the Nats I would have wanted to be Pirates were Hanrahan and Milledge.  And now, unfortunately, we have both.

Jerry Moore


Bob Smizik: The Pirates talent level is at such a low state they must take risks on players. It’s true, both Milledge and Hanrahan might flop but I think both players were worth taking a chance on. They have a significantly higher ceiling than Nyjer Morgan and Sean Burnett, the two players the Pirates gave up to get them.

 


Posted Jul 11 2009, 01:00 AM by Bob Smizik

Comments

gorillagogo wrote re: Letters: Milledge another Hamilton?
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 8:22 AM

I strongly disagree with your response to Mike Rhodes. Baseball doesn't exist in anything resembling a capitalistic system. If it did, the Mark Cubans of the world would be free to set up their own franchises, sign whichever players they wanted, and compete directly with the Pirates. He can't do that, though, because baseball is run like a cartel.

(What you are suggesting also could not be done in any of the other professional sports league. Mark Cuban is free to start his own team and try to sign any players he wants. He just can't do it in MLB, NFL, etc. If he is successful at it -- as were some of the teams in ABA, the AFC and the WHL -- he might some day gain entrance to the more successful leagues. -- Bob Smizik)

 

 

Californication wrote re: Letters: Milledge another Hamilton?
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:47 PM

Bob, your response to the Bay question implies that the Pirates HAD to continue to operate under the same financial constraints in 2009 that they have faced over the length of the NUTTING reign.  A case can be made that by keeping Bay and ADDING some free agents in the off season the Pirates could have been competitive this year.

While I understand this response it implies a level of utter hopelessness for the Pirates as the cycle by which players such as Bay, McClouth and eventually Sanchez are traded and IF their replacements such as McClutch, Milledge, Doumit and Alvarez eventually develop into elite MLB players commanding greater salaries then they too will be traded.

NOTHING changes with NUTTING in charge

(Not everything goes back to Nutting. What I was stating about Bay is there was no way he was not going to test free agency if he was with the Pirates in 2009. That has little to do with the Pirates or with Nutting. It's just a fact of baseball life. What ever the Pirates might have offered Bay, he had to figure, and I would think correctly, he could do better on the open market.  -- Bob Smizik)

aglebagel wrote re: Letters: Milledge another Hamilton?
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 5:33 PM

Bob,

I love the blog and appreciate your honest opinions.  However, I strongly disagree with you thoughts on the economic situation in MLB, as well as your fast-food analogy.

First of all, you're dealing with two completely different products.  Fast food chains sell hamburgers. Neither McDonald's nor the customer cares that the franchise in Times Square unfairly sells more burgers than the franchise in Nowhere, Kansas, because the product, the hamburger, pretty much stays the same.

However, Major League Baseball's product IS competition. The fact that the large market teams have an easier time being successful literally weakens MLB's product for many customers.

The league is getting away with it financially, as you stated, because large-market success on the field often translates into higher TV ratings. However, with so many smaller-market teams unable to compete for any sustained period, I truly believe that MLB is losing out on a large number of potential customers that could be gained without sacrificing financial success in the large markets.  In other words, I think that a successful Pirates team is going to help the league more than an unsuccessful Red Sox team is going to hurt it.  Does anyone think that Bostonians are suddenly going to stop watching their team after a couple of losing seasons?  After all, the NFL is doing just fine without its large markets always winning, isn't it???

clayrock81 wrote re: Letters: Milledge another Hamilton?
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 5:36 PM

Bob,

I love your blog and am glad you do it; I was saddened when you were retiring as I've read you since I hit double digits and would've missed your column.  However, I finally have hit the fan with the comments about payroll in MLB; until MLB introduces a cap and a floor (what good is a floor of say, $50 M, when the Yanks can go up to $250 M if they want) MLB will continue to slowly decline past the NFL, NASCAR and college football.

I am a Pittsburgher, born and raised but moved away about five years ago, in the under-30 crowd (28 to be honest) and all my still-living-in and also-moved-away (which there are a lot of, sadly) buddies have the same rooting interests - Steelers are a religion, the Stanley Cup Playoffs shave years off us and the Pirates...when does training camp start?  In one of Dejan's chats he commented that the Pirates have killed baseball for one generation and working on two - I will not comment for a whole generation but trust me, if you were to sample my friends and I, baseball and the Pirates are almost nonexistent.  Simply put, my point is even if the rebuilding works and the Pirates have a contender in 2012, what are the odds they'll keep the team together by 2014?  

Remember the 2004 Pens?  If the NHL wouldn't have shut down and there was no cap then the 2009 Pens don't exist, or at the very least the 2010 Pens would not have Crosby, Malkin and Fleury...one of them would've left for huge bucks, if not two or all three.  

Until MLB is able to stagger some of this economic disparity then the little guys will continually be fodder for the big guys 4 out of 5 years and baseball in cities like Pittsburgh will continue to lose the younger dollar.  

And if you doubt me, did you ever think you'd live to see the day when a LCS would be on basic cable (TBS) and that a Sunday night World Series game would lose to a regular season NFL game?  Just sayin'...

pittfaninlioncountry wrote re: Letters: Milledge another Hamilton?
on Sat, Jul 11 2009 7:44 PM

Everyone calling for a salary cap forget it,it is never going to happen. There is some myth floating around that the industry as a hole is suffering. The exact opposite exists, the industry is stronger now than it ever has been. The majority of teams are very competive, with a select few not withstanding.

The NHL had to revert to a salary cap because they had to. The league had multiple teams considering bankruptcy. The league's finances have been in the toilet for a long time, and they have no bargaining power when it comes to maximizing television rights. They have to give their product away for free. The NHL went to a salary cap for their very survival, not to insure compitive balance for everyone. This does make the league stronger as a whole, no doubt, but Major League Baseball is not in the same position.

Ask Mr. Nutting if he is interested in a salary cap. If he were to be honest is answer would be no. The Pirates though being garbage for the better part of 17 years, are very sound financially now. Don't forget if he gets a salary cap, they most likely lose revenue sharing. This means the Pirates would have to pay their own bills and not rely on corporate welfare.

Thats money that comes out of his pocket and removes any built in excuse they have now, shifting all the blame to the big evil large market teams.

We all need to stop living in a vacum, the Pirates problems are not the same problems that exist with the rest of baseball. It is pretty simple, maybe Major League Baseball has out grown a market the size of Pittsburgh. This is not 1960 anymore.

Take a look at all the teams that have made the playoffs since 2000. I know people will say that is catching lightning in a bottle and we want to win every year. Those days are gone.

The Yankees with all the money they spend have not one it all since 2000, and in that time have lost to the small market Marlins. Big market Dodgers have not won since 1988, The large market Cubs have waited 100 years for their advantage to kick in. The Mets have been waiting since 1986. Some one has been winning the Worl Series and it is not large market teams more often than not.

Yes large market teams have an advantage overall, but there are many markets that have been able to compete as well.

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Wilver Dornell wrote re: Letters: Milledge another Hamilton?
on Sun, Jul 12 2009 11:59 AM

Bob I really so enjoy your insight and most of the time you are correct, but your comment that baseball can compete in a capitalist system is dead wrong. First, not just anybody can have or start a baseball team in the MLB; unlike your local resturant. Second, baseball enjoys an anti-trust exemption that your competing local resturants do not. Third, prior to free agency baseball was ruled by the reserve clause...players were stuck with their team; no if or and about it (and this was not fair to the players).So, the prest system has only survived 40 nyears not over 100.  Next it is true small markets teams can compete, but they do it on a rotating basis...Tampa for a while, Minnesota for a while...you get the picture. Small markets teams cannot compete on a year-in and year-out basis.  Continuing...you will never see another players enter the Hall of Fame from these small market teams...the teams just can't keep them long enough. Oh, and college sports have a whole bunch of field leveling rules...amount of scholorships...how many vists a prospect can make..what they can do when they visit, when they can visit..when they can sign...where they can sit when they attend games...how many coaches each program can have. Although the NCAA does leave room for some differnces in each program they try to even things up as much a s possible. Like I said you are usually correct, but here you are wrong. Keep up the good work and keep us thinking. Thanks.

Ron Burgundy wrote re: Letters: Milledge another Hamilton?
on Sun, Jul 12 2009 3:38 PM

I don't want to sound like I am defending David Littlefield, but he wasn't the worst GM of all time, as one of the letter writers suggests.  McCutchen and Lincoln were first round picks of his, and he would have drafted Wieters if not for Bob Nutting not wanting to pay for him.  The only reason Huntington drafted Alveraz was because the public outcry over passing Wieters was so loud.

The Brian Giles trade was a success, as was the Ollie Perez trade that landed Nady.  We could go on and on about DL's failures, there are many, but Cam Bonifay was a far worse GM that Littlefield was.

(Bonifay, not Littlefield, made the trade that brought Giles to the Pirates. -- Bob Smizik)

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