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NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy

By Bob Smizik | Tuesday 11:30 a.m.

The National Hockey League’s continuing struggle to gain broad public acceptance has taken another kick in the teeth from -- of all people -- itself.

In a move that defies comprehension and exemplifies the kind of short-sightedness that has held the NHL back, the league has sided with NBC, its so-called broadcast partner, to deny the teams in the Stanley Cup final the right to carry tonight's crucial Game 6 to large throngs of people gathered in or near their respective arenas.

In other words, they are knowingly trying to turn off not just the league’s fan base, but its future fan base.

How stupid can they be?

Here’s what NBC and the NHL are killing:

* The Penguins giant party outside of Mellon Arena. This has been going on since last year’s playoffs and gets bigger and bigger with 5,000 to 10,000 fans cramming into the area outside of the main gate to watch the game in a party -- but non-alcoholic -- atmosphere.

* The Red Wings long-standing tradition of opening Joe Louis Arena and showing the game on a giant screen when the team has a chance to clinch the Stanley Cup on the road, as is the case tonight. In Detroit this is known as Joe Vision.

The Detroit Free Press reported the following today:

``A source familiar with the Joe Vision negotiations said the NHL asked NBC and CBC (which has Canadian broadcasting rights) not to allow the Wings to broadcast the game. An NBC spokesman declined comment.''

The Free Press also reported that Bernadette Mansur, the NHL’s senior vice president for communications, said one of the league’s contractual agreements with NBC is that the clubs will not hold viewing parties in their arena.

And, presumably, outside their arenas because NBC has consistently refused to allow the Penguins to carry its games. By contrast, games carried earlier in the playoffs by Versus and FSN Pittsburgh, were allowed to be shown on the giant screen outside Mellon Arena.

Isn’t there someone involved with NBC or the NHL with a grain of common sense? Isn’t there anyone who realizes how counterproductive this stance is?

NBC is worried about its ratings being affected by a large group watching in one location and that will not count in the ratings.

I’ve got news for NBC. The vast majority of the crowd outside Mellon Arena wants to watch the game in a party atmosphere. They are mostly college students and they are not going home to watch it. They will go to their favorite bar. They still won’t count in the ratings.

The NHL is worried about offending NBC, which is beyond ridiculous since NBC pays nothing for the rights of the game. What little money the games earn on television is split between the league and NBC. It amounts to peanuts.

So for this the NHL is offending it fans and its future fans. Instead of  bowing down to NBC, the NHL should be using all of what ever leverage it has to see this game is shown at Joe Louis Arena and outside Mellon Arena.

This has been a outstanding series, pitting Detroit, the most successful franchise in the NHL, against the Penguins, the team most likely to challenge the Red Wings in the future and with the kind of star power no other franchise has.

The NHL and NBC should be doing all in their power to show these games to as many people as possible.

Instead, incredibly, they are doing all in their power to deny these games being seen by as many people as possible.

 


Posted Jun 09 2009, 11:20 AM by Bob Smizik

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haven wrote re: NBC, NHL: Height of idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 11:49 AM

The NHL could not be run more poorly and with less vision.

Bettman survives because he got the owners their dream.  A hard cap.

ericPitt wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 11:50 AM

"the most successful franchise in the NHL,"

Recently the most successful.  The most successful is obviously the Canadiens, but they only have 2 cups in the past 24 seasons (24 overall).

Joe Lawrence wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 11:56 AM

Its my guess that all the people attending the Igloo lawn parties or Joe Vision are going to watch the game anyhow and unfortunately NBC and the league need the ratings to drive Ad revenue - even if meager.

As an out of town fan, I've beamed with pride every time the crowd outside the game is shown. Its awesome! But lets not forget the pickle the league was in as a result of the lockout and the lapse of the ESPN contract.

Having the league covered by one of the big three is the only way to ensure that occasional and yet to be found fans can find the games (remember the glory days of the Sportschannel America contract with Jigs McDonald?). Seems to me that prime time coverage by one of the major networks is a better way to reach the most possible people. If I'm Bettman, I'm doing what I can to keep the folks at 30 Rock in the league's corner...even if its not as much fun for some of the locals.

Robbiesdad wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 11:57 AM

Bob,

While I understand the "big picture" concept that you are positing here, I am overjoyed that there will be no outdoor viewing of the game tonight.

As a season-ticket holder, I have supported the Pens by putting my money where my mouth is for many years.  Because of the loyal support of fans like me, Consol Energy Center is being constructed across the street from Mellon Arena.  

Because of the construction, parking near the arena (always a hassle in the best of times) is at a real premium this year.  By hosting the outdoor party, the Pens are encouraging a few extra thousand 'johnny-come-lately's (some of whom apparently have nothing better to do than arrive 4 or more hours prior to game time and monopolize the parking lots in Uptown) to freeload and congest the arena grounds.

This is not totally surprising to me.  The Penguins have consistently shown themselves to be completely insensitive to their core fans, taking us for granted on numerous occasions.

I'll always support the team on the ice because I love the sport, but I have little regard for their short-sighted front office.  

Go, NBC, go!!  

KMRempel22 wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 12:11 PM

I concur.  NBC has been shooting itself in the foot for awhile now...and in more venues than the NHL.

NBC = No Brains Company

RD66 wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 12:30 PM

Bob,

Good Article. Look for this sign hanging from F3/F4 tonight : NBC: N o B ody C ares about your ratings; turn back on the big screen!

LET'S GO PENS

centralvikings97 wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 12:45 PM

the bandwagon will have to find somewhere else to watch the game....OH WELL!!!  "non-alcoholic atmosphere"...haha  Bob, i'm in my 20's, i know of plenty of people that go to this for every game and all they talk about is "pre-gaming"  or getting smashed in the parking lots before the game starts. Pittsburgh doesnt love sports, it loves a party and it loves alcohol.  Why do you think Pitt football doesnt get crowds.....THEY DONT SELL BEER!

 

(Does Penn State sell beer? -- Bob Smizik)

gregenstein wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 1:17 PM

Robbiesdad,

The difference between you and the fans outside is not being a "core fan". It is a matter of having a ticket (or the $$ to buy one). Many of those outside would buy them but were too late. If you are complaining about the college like atmosphere, this is exactly the crowd the Penguins are trying to appeal to, so I suggest you learn to deal with it. I'm sure next year will be the same type of environment for non-NBC games. Have you noticed the waiting list is 2,000-3,000 people for season tickets? Short-sighted front office you say. Did they not commit to this very city by getting a new arena? They signed Malkin and Crosby to long term deals didn't they? I'm sorry, but the team promoting its' product is not a bad thing. If that means you have to walk an extra half mile or show up a little earlier, oh well. If they were actually short sighted, they would have been in Hamilton, Ontario being run by Jimbo BlackBerry 2 years ago. Stop whining or get a taxi to drop you at the arena if the walk is that much further.

Cryos wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 1:34 PM

Robbiesdad,

Those johny-come-lately fans that are college aged will most likely be Pens fans for life.  What's more, once they find their way to the workforce, they will have the income to become ticket holders.

The pens are doing the right thing, by appealing to a younger base.  

Also, the fans on the lawn are hardly free-loading, as I'm sure Pittsburgh Parking enjoys the nights the game is shown.  This is about young fans supporting the Pens, the Pens supporting Pittsburgh, and building a foundation for a future relationship together.

centralvikings97 wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 2:10 PM

gregenstein

 many of those young people outside are the same young people that post on their facebook account " fluery sucks"  the true sign of a bandwagoneer. showing up to watch a playoff game is not the sign of core fan...  sitting in a half empty arena when mario was still retired and the genration x pens were still in high school...thats a true core fan. someone who sticks with their team when they are way down.  

Robbiesdad wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 2:29 PM

gregenstein - Yes, I noticed the 2000-3000 people on the waiting list, each plopping down $200 non-refundable in the hope of garnering tickets.  I also noticed that the Steelers have had a waiting list for over 30 years and have NEVER asked for ONE DIME to be placed on that list. THAT is how you appeal to your fans.

Committed to the city by getting a new arena?  Putting a gun to the heads of the (admittedly poorly organized) local politicos is not committing; it's committing extortion.  Granted, every pro sports team does it, but let's not praise them for being civic minded.

As to the screen itself, it's not the college atmosphere I object to.  Those kids are having fun - God bless them.  But, the Pens should remember those who were there during the 38 poiint season in 1984, or even the 58 point season in 2006.  None of those kids would have shown up to watch that team from the lawn.  But, I digress....

Again, my objection isn't with those who partake of the outdoor viewing party.  I object to the poor planning of the team and their total lack of consideration for their most loyal fans.

Erect the screen at Station Square, or outside Heinz Field, anyplace but right outside the Arena where you already have traffic, congestion and parking headaches.  

And, for what it's worth, I don't mind the walk.  

ericPitt wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 2:32 PM

"Its my guess that all the people attending the Igloo lawn parties or Joe Vision are going to watch the game anyhow and unfortunately NBC and the league need the ratings to drive Ad revenue - even if meager."

FSN broke ratings records while showing the game outside this season, and that's for a LOCAL station.

Got anything else?

collegesportsfan wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 2:46 PM

Bettman was a former assistant to David Stern.  You would think he would be privy to the NBA's finals schedule, and with the cooperation of NBC, ensure that no NHL game occurs the same time as an NBA game.  This would seem to have a much higher impact than a game on the big screen outside the Arena or at Joe Louis .... but IMHO, neither are showing much prudence.

gregenstein wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 3:25 PM

centralviking,

Being young doesn't make them any less of a fan. Take age out of your argument for a true fan. They haven't had a bad year since most of these folks have been old enough to have enough money to buy hockey tickets (which are quite pricey relative to baseball). Most of these folks are Crosby's age.

"None of those kids would have shown up in '84..." - Probably true as they were likely in pre-school or not even born yet. Remember, this only occurs during the playoffs, so the team is at least inherently pretty good. Also, they wouldn't do it if the games themselves didn't sell out. This regime I'm sure would not show games on a big screen outside during a 38 point season. It would be better to give away free tickets and at least get a few more people to buy your $7 beer.

Putting a screen up somewhere else I could see as it attempts to put up a resolution. Not a bad thought to go in with the Steelers and sell $7 beer their too. It gets the News stations doing specials on the crowd. All of this markets the team, which makes people buy jerseys and such. Lately, all of their decisions have not only made money but have brought excitement to the team.

hondo wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 4:11 PM

NBC worries about the effect on ratings. But aren't ratings determined by Nielson (or whatever they're called now) households that are viewing? So how many of the few thousand who show up for these big-screen viewings are Nielson ratings households? Very, very few if any. And chances are good that the few who are have somebody else in the family watching at home anyway.

I can't believe that NBC/NHL can't see that the potential small (is it even measureable?) negative impact on ratings isn't completely offset by the positive PR of allowing these parties is ridiculous. Why not come up with a creative way to count those in attendance and add them in with the ratings when selling the product to advertisers. All those people at the part would be exposed to the commercials too.

Empty Netters wrote Red Wings at Penguins - Game 6 - Pregame - 6-9-09
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 6:08 PM

PREGAME -Greetings from: -Last home game. Last walk up to the game from Downtown. The Three Rivers Arts

'Burgher in California wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 7:36 PM

Bob, you just don't have the vision Gary Bettman does.

Where you see failure in Atlanta, Miami, Nashville and Phoenix -- Gary sees future growth in fast growing markets (until they imploded).

Where you see a dopey television contract with NBC -- Gary sees national exposure for game's leading stars and a bright, bright future on network television.

Of course, Gary Bettman vision requires him to use a white cane and German Shepherd with a harness to get around without falling over his ego -- but to be big, you need to think big first.

--

As for Robbiesdad, you come across as a grouchy old crank telling the neighbor's kids to get off your lawn.  You don't like how the Penguins front office is treating you?  Then don't buy their tickets.  Period.

Empty Netters wrote Red Wings at Penguins - Game 6 - Pregame - 6-09-09
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 8:38 PM

PREGAME -Greetings from: -Last home game. Last walk up to the game from Downtown. The Three Rivers Arts

bethskye wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 10:10 PM

To Robbiesdad, congrats.  You actually got me to register for this site so that I could throw my two cents onto the slag heap of comments.  Your comment showcases the sort of entitled viewpoint that lands franchises in trouble if anyone like you ends up in management.  

Several excellent points were made above about the age of participants in 1984 (I was a year old at the time.), the nonavailability of tickets, and the myriad of ways in which more people = more revenue.  While you may not believe that the children are our future, I would remind you that it is through programs like the student ID reduced ticket price that many former students like myself were able to keep in touch with the Penguins when we couldn't watch the game.  I remember driving down from Greenville, PA after choir rehearsal to try my luck at ticket grab bag.  

I was very young during the cup years, but some of my earliest memories are watching the Pens win and lose.  I live in Philadelphia now, so I get to see the Penguins only very rarely.  I look forward to those rare opportunities to see hockey nights in Pittsburgh from afar, and though my travels to Pittsburgh are infrequent, having the opportunity to watch the games even outside is a wonderful treat.  

Pittsburgh is a great tailgate city, and the showings of the game outside the arena are a wonderful part of that heritage.  Though you may grimace at the rabble having their fun, please take the time to ratchet your salary back a decade or two and examine what your options would be.  In a city so proud of its blue collar roots, elitism like yours' has no place.  

The party outside doesn't hurt you.  You wouldn't show up at a Steeler's game 30 minutes before kickoff and expect good parking.  You shouldn't expect that with a Pens game - or a game with ANY successful franchise.  Only someone extremely myopic could see a full arena and ten thousand outside as the sign of an a franchise in trouble.  We all cheer for the same team...just not necessarily from the same tax bracket.

Empty Netters wrote Penguins 2, Red Wings 1 - Final - 6-9-09
on Tue, Jun 9 2009 11:55 PM

PREGAME -Greetings from: -Last home game. Last walk up to the game from Downtown. The Three Rivers Arts

meestro wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Wed, Jun 10 2009 1:31 AM

@Robbiesdad

Like them or not, those fans out in front of the stadium are the same fans who, three years ago, would have been lining up outside gate 8 hours before the start time to get student rush tickets.  Fast forward to today and those former students are buying tickets like crazy, including season packages.  The Penguins realize the importance of selling to students who are about to find themselves with a lot more spending money once they graduate.  

They are essentially "breeding" future season ticket holders, and this plan of attack has been incredibly successful.  Forget the 100+ consecutive sellouts.  Instead, just look at the average demographics in Mellon Arena.  The crowd has gotten significantly younger over the past years, and with that youth comes a huge potential for sustained ticket sales.  If you don't market to youth, your fan base will just eventually die off.  So although it may be annoying, it would be almost hypocritical to be a Pens fan and not want that crowd outside.

shenanigans wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Wed, Jun 10 2009 10:25 AM

Robbiesdad,

I can't believe that any one could accuse the Pens of being insensitive to their core fans.  I've been a season ticket holder to both Penguins and Steelers for most of my 35 years, and I'd have to say that there is no comparison in regards to fan treatment.  

Have you enjoyed your free highlight DVD's from the past few years?  What about the quality coasters, blanket, travel mug, $50 gift certificate, etc. that we got for Christmas over the past few years? How about the steady stream of free event tickets to keep us interested during the lockout year?  I'm still waiting for my present from the Steelers.  

I think the Penguins have been great to all of their fans, whether we're season ticket holders or not.  The big screen is just one more example.

Yes, it takes me a bit longer to get home from the games than usual.  If that was enough to bring me down after the games, then I'd probably stay home.  I can think of worse places to be than in a traffic jam of celebrating fans.

centralvikings97 wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Wed, Jun 10 2009 1:37 PM

no one gives more "incentives" to their season tickets holders than the pirates and no team has to take more crap from their season ticket holders than the pirates. I laugh every time i hear a pittsburgher say. i've been a season ticket holder since the birth of Christ. Season ticket holders think they are owed the world....its a business just like anything else... When was the last time you went into best buy and got anything extra for buying a TV?  As i see it...you are owed the tickets you paid for and nothing more. I know its a business and i dont want a team fussing over me cause i know they want my money just like any other business.. Just give me my tickets and call it even.   Pittsburgh fans also think length of time they've had season tickets equates to sports knowledge.. i'm astounded at the numbers of "life long" season ticket holders who lack the fudamental knowledge of the sport they are watching.

What about all the business owners that are losing business because people are going to watch the game on a big screen instead of their establishment?

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nacho6777 wrote re: NBC and NHL: Partners in idiocy
on Mon, Jun 15 2009 1:22 PM

Wow, robbiesdad, you have the most selfish outlook on this whole situation. Not liking the big screen because you can't find parking?

According to you, because my Pitt tuition and room and board make it nearly impossible to afford tickets, I, and the thousands of students like me, cannot be core fans.

Well guess what? Us "johnny come lately" fans were watching you "core" fans leaving the arena during overtime in the finals last year, before the game was even over, to beat traffic. Yes, money does define if you're a fan or not.

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