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Yes, I spelled Chiefs incorrectly on purpose. If it's good enough for the Bungles. . . .

A few pregame notes:

* Expect Willie Parker to play more today. Of course, Bruce Arians planned to play his -- dare we say this now -- No. 2 halfback more often, on every third series, the past two games. Situations worked out differently. But today the Chiefs bring the NFL's sixth-worst NFL defense against the run. Parker, recovered from his turf toe too, has a shredded them in the past.

* No Larry Johnson (now with the Bungles), no Troy Polamalu (absent today and maybe another game or two with that PCL injury). So much for calling this a hairpull.

* These aren't the quality Chiefs you remember -- from McDonald's Marty Schottenheimer as coach or even Rich Gannon at quarterback, before he went to the Super Bowl with the Raiders. But Arrowhead can still be a tough place to play. Moreoever, Steelers fans should thank the Chiefs. If it wasn't for a draft-day trade up, the Steelers may not have been able to draft Polamalu in 2003.

FIRST QUARTER

1:02 p.m.: So much for an improved kickoff coverage. The team with already the most KO return touchdowns this season gave up their fourth in five games and their eighth return for a touchdown -- kick, fumble or interception. CBS, by the way, showed the wrong coach at first before focusing on Bob Ligashesky. Gee, and it has been four years since the Chefs returned one for a score. Remember Dante Hall? One more thing: Ryan Mundy appeared to have the best chance at him, and Patrick Bailey got taken out by a teammate, so it appeared. The Steelers gave up thinking he was down. More reckless play is required on this unit. Oh, and Jeff Reed was awfully deep -- around the Kansas City 40 -- on that coverage, which represents a major change from him being a safety valve at the 50 or deeper in Steelers territory. (So nobody can criticize him for not sticking his nose in there.) 1:09 p.m.: Is it just me, or are the Steelers trying to pump up Kansas City? Run, run holding, run (a reverse on second and way too long), throwing into triple coverage? Funny, Mundy and the punt-return unit flew down there on that one. Hmmmm. . .  maybe they should have Daniel Sepulveda and those guys punt off, as with a safety, instead of using Reed and the kickoff unit. 1:18 p.m.: OK, I'll agree with you there: You just make a dandy run against a defense that knows it's bad against the run, and the next down you go empty set? Don't except the "screen is as good as a run" argument, either. Especially with the way Ben Roethlisberger passed last week and looks already today, they should run to set up the pass and alleviate the burden on the quarterback. 1:28 p.m.: Told ya about Willie Parker (pregame notes). And in the replay, just noticed that Lawrence Timmons was on the Ill-Fated Kickoff Unit, or IFKU. Isn't he a new addition there? 1:31 p.m.: Sign that Miracles Do Happen: The Browns have 10 points already. (OK, so it's just Detroit). . . Offensive line doing the Steelers no favors on this drive, which showed promise. The sooner the Steelers tie this game, the better chance they have of the Chefs realizing that they are indeed the Chefs. 1:36 p.m.: Five of seven on fourth-down conversions this season? That's impressive. And Mendenhall nearly took that one all the way. . . By the way, Hines Ward was down on that play, but when he loses the ball, it's not a good sign. The Chefs' defense is hitting with some vigor. . . . End of the first, 7-0 KC.

SECOND QUARTER

1:40 p.m.: Was Big Ben just showing his Little Owie to the ref? Potential headline, if the Steelers prevail today: Victory better than being poked in the eye. . . 1:41 p.m.: Seems to be a hollow way to end such a drive, But don't lose sight of a jarring trend that Reed's 36-yard field goal signifies: That makes five consecutive touchdown-less trips into the Red Zone for the Steelers. Ruh-roh, every score means a kickoff! There was Ike Taylor to the rescue. . . 1:51 p.m.: Mixed into that sea of red are 10,000-plus Steelers fans in a Midwest meeting of Steeler Nation. The P-G's Bob Dvorchak is on hand to report about it for tomorrow's print publication. Just listen to them cheer or chant "Heeeeath." . . .1:58 p.m.:  With that catch, Miller has tied his career high with 47 receptions. He's on pace for roughly 75 catches -- that's Antonio Gates territory. Most important, it's Red Zone time again. Can the Steelers go 6-for-6? The must be able to run the ball. Just as I typed that, CBS threw up an interesting graphic: No team has gone longer without a rushing touchdown than the Steelers, with 95 consecutive carries. . . 2 p.m: Funny, but I was thinking Roethlisberger should've run just about the time he flicked the ball to a Ward who was wide open because Roethlisberger's feet caused Chefs defenders to creep toward the line of scrimmage to watch him. The 5-for-5 Red Zone skid without a touchdown finally comes to a halt. Now I'll answer you critics: Don't give up on this club just yet. The defense is better, even without Polamalu, than three-quarters of the rest of the NFL. The offense can overcome special-teams mistakes. And, overall, if you watch the rest of the league closely, the Steelers still possess one of the six best teams in the NFL, if not better. The question, though, is: Will they play that way? If they win today, there are easy victories against the Browns and Raiders upcoming -- that's nine victories. Beat Green Bay or Baltimore at home, or win in Bawlmer or Miami, which is surging, and 11 surely will earn them a playoff spot, if not home field for the wild-card game. The Bungles, playing an even lighter schedule the rest of the way, HAVE to win 11 minimum unless they fall completely off the Earth. Oh, and the Steelers lead, 10-7. . . 2:08 p.m.: Brownies update: They've scored 24! Of course, they've allowed 17. And it isn't even halftime yet in Detroit. (Hey, if you can't have fun at Cleveland's expense, you're clinically deceased.) Two-minute warning. . . 2:13 p.m.: Red Zone time again. A 96th consecutive carry without a touchdown. Followed by another vintage Roethlisberger play: somehow avoid the sack by ducking under, scooting to his left and finding an ad-libbing Miller for another Live At The Improv touchdown. Steelers cruising, 17-7. How much are they cruising? They have 279 yards to Kansas City's 43. They have a dozen first downs to Kansas City's two. They have possessed the ball for nearly 21 minutes to Kansas City's 8:05. They have put together 95- and 46-yard scoring drives in their past 17 total plays. They own this one. . . 2:18 p.m.: Lest anyone forget, too: Kansas City's offense on all four offensive possessions have passed their own 40-yard line, if not the 50. They've had prime real estate -- and done nothing with it aginast the Steelers. Can't wait to end up the total scores for Matt Cassel by the end of this one; remember, he lost with New England to these Steelers by 33-10 in Foxboro last November. What will today's final be in KC? It's still 17-7, Steelers.

For your halftime viewing pleasure. . .

EYE-an Eagle, the Eye network's play-by-play man today and a swell fella, once told me that he is the son of a television star. Yes, he said, that was his father starring in those Brother Dominic commercials -- this one from 1977 and the Super Bowl:

THIRD QUARTER

 2:32 p.m.: Give the 3-foot-7 guy (Reed's words, not ours) his due -- Stefan Logan has put together his best return day of the season, and the first one equal to his preseason hint of electricity. The last return, past the 40, was well blocked . . . so give the special teams and coaches their due there. But still the Steelers have allowed four touchdown returns and collected none of their own, a minus-4 ratio (and it indeed cost them the Cincinnati game), an inescapable fact. . . . 2:40 p.m.: Just looked it up: Roethlisberger has been intercepted just twice in his past 70 attempts, a stretch that included his admittedly off game against Cincinnati last Sunday. And both were on tipped passes. So, sharp or not, he hasn't hurt his team. The Chefs took this one and drove to a touchdown, which indeed hurts. The offense needs to come back and score to put the Chefs back in their 2-7 place and provide themselves with some breathing room, lest they return to their Bears, Lions and at Bungles second-half collapses of earlier this season. Chefs creep within 17-14, Steelers. . .

We pause for this commercial message:

Why is this a Thanksgiving movie? The carving?

2:47 p.m.: Left guard Chris Kemoeatu, so vital to the running game, particularly on pulling blocks, will be missed with injury the rest of the day. Kansas City stuffs the Steelers, and Sepulveda makes his first punt since the Steelers' opening possession. Now that defense, which just had its only bad series of the game, must stand firm -- if not come up with a game-turning takeaway. The longer you let the Chefs linger. . . . . . 2:58 p.m.: The middle is amazingly open for the Steelers. Give credit to Ramon Foster for filling in admirably thus far for Kemoeatu, too. Roethlisberger has time to throw, for the most part. . . 3:04 p.m.: Neat interactive set-up for the Chiefs' site live blog, but not nearly as entertaining or informative as this one, not to be too shamelessly promotional. . . 3:07 p.m.: Now there was a potentially fatal mistake by Roethlisberger -- he threw into four Kansas City defenders.Now the Steelers are fighting for their lives. A beautiful drive and a chance to drive a stake through Kansas City's heart, and instead they revive that heart. . . To think, if he put a little more air under that sideline pass to Mendenhall, the Steelers lead 24-14 instead of going down of getting tied here [CORRECTION AT 3:17]. . . 3:10 p.m.: James Harrison, whose name hadn't been called much, if at all, previously today comes up with a crucial sack. Still, the Chefs tie this game at 17-all behind a guy from the family that produced America's most infamous car and a kick whose name is pronounced Suck-up. . .

The Steelers have almost four times as much yardage and more than twice as much time of possession, but two turnovers, one drive and a special-teams blunder have allowed Kansas City to stay in a game undeservedly -- it is at Cincinnati, at Chicago and at Detroit all over again. Perhaps this is the road rule rather than the exception.

FOURTH QUARTER

3:15 p.m.: Roethlisberger is playing with fire. At least he threw that second-down pass away, but still they're placing way too much reliance on pass-blocking, the pass, Roethlisberger's feet. With Max Starks down and Kemoeatu already out, the Steelers are getting perilously thin and in dangerous territory. . . 3:17 p.m.: No, AFPilot, I'm NOT watching the game; I'm making all this up. But I sit corrected: A Willie Colon holding erased that Roethlisberger-to-Mendenhall play regardless. My bad. And the defense is going to have to win this one for the Steelers, if they can. . . 3:23 p.m.: Reasons why Chiefs are still in this game? They've kicked their bad habit and shut down the Steelers running game. And 0 giveaways by them. . . . Of course, as soon as I type that, Cassel coughs it up to -- Harrison again. . .  Starks is back. . . 3:25 p.m.: How about this: If the Steelers don't score on this trip to the Red Zone -- the've failed on six of their past eight, remember -- we'll force them to decline an invitation to the playoffs. . .  3:28 p.m.: At least the Steelers tried to run the ball in the Red Zone. And this time -- I'll get it right, I'll get it right! -- Roethlisberger hits Mendenhall over the middle for the go-ahead score, 24-17 Steelers. And these Chefs linebackers, with Studebaker in and ex-Steeler Mike Vrabel absent, aren't very good at all. . . 3:31 p.m.: At 3:23, I forgot to point out one aspect: Kansas City, until that kick return, got called for only one penalty against the Steelers' 7 for 70 yards. See, the Steelers were giving this game to the Chefs. . . 3:36 p.m.:  Former Steelers ballboy Todd Haley is attacking the Steelers safeties -- Deshea Townsend in nickel on the Lance Long catch to midfield, Ryan Clark on the double move by Chris Chambers to the Red Zone. Game on. . . 3:40 p.m.: Now the Steelers defense has been fairly shredded twice in the past four Kansas City offensive possessions. Brett Keisel really looked to be huffing and puffing there, a byproduct of both Aaron Smith and Travis Kirschke being absent due to injuries. It's 24-24. . . 3:43 p.m.: Huge offensive series for the Steelers. . . The next turnover will decide this game. . . 3:49 p.m. Cassel started this drive 8 for 15 passing for 140 yards this half alone. More importantly, he has steered Kansas City to two TDs and a field goal, with help from Roethlisberger. The Steelers come out of this 2-minute warning with a season-saving, third-and-3 staring them in the face. Well, that's overdramatic -- but this Kansas City possession determines this game, or at least saves overtime. . . 3:52 p.m.: Gutsy decision to blitz and leave those safeties in coverage. Just shows you the difference between good teams and bad: Lesser ones drop balls like that. . .

3:53 p.m.: One minute, 47 seconds to go and the ball in Roethlisberger's hands. Mewelde Moore couldn't handle Derrick Johnson on that first-down rush. . . But an illegal-downfield-contact penalty helped the Steelers' cause. Let's see what they can do with a break. . . 3:55 p.m.: One-29 to go, and wasn't that a lovely shot by CBS' cameras of Reed tugging on the seat of his pants? . . . 3:57 p.m.: Sixty-two seconds left, and a third-and-4 at midfield, and Roethlisberger can't make a play with his feet. Chefs try a safety blitz into that line, and now it's Cassel's turn to try to rescue the home side. . . 4 p.m.: We're going to overtime. It's up to a flip of the coin. . . or the next mistake.

True, this game never should've reached this point. But blame the defense, too, for allowing those second-half drives.

OVERTIME

 4:02 p.m.: Tails, as in what the Steelers need kicked. The offense must run the ball and staunch that Kansas City rush. Even throw a shovel pass or quick screens. . . 4:04 p.m.: See, BA reads this Blog!. . . Seriously, Roethlisberger is 31 of 41 for 19 yards shy of 400, stats alone that show Kansas City never should've gotten this far. Once again, the middle is wide open for Ward. But, and I reiterate, run the ball with Mendenhall. The offensive line needs a break, too, and run-blocking is easier for them. And the Chefs are bad at it, when not blitzing. And Mendenhall, like that first-down run, is rushing hard and well. . . 4:07 p.m.: Roethlisberger indeed took a Derrick Johnson knee to the head, so it's on to Charlie Batch, who is woefully cold, and a tired offensive line. Go to two backs and run. Leave Batch with only short passes. You need two yards for a first down, then another 10 to 12 yards to get into Reed's range and get the heck out of Dodge. . . 4:10 p.m.: Excuse me, I forgot about the Hartwig hold. They need 22 to 25 yards for Reed. . . and then Batch threw that deep strike to Santonio Holmes, a gutsy call and a beautiful throw. But the Steelers should've sat on it and run from there. That Chefs defense should be a little weary deep down, too, from all that time on the field -- 41 minutes and counting -- and all that pass-rushing on 43 pass attempts. Great run by Mendenhall. Can Reed deliver again, like in overtime in the opener? . . . 4:13 p.m.: Not sure if Moore was the right man for that third-down job. Parker maybe, with his speed and having a decently warm, if not hot, hand in this game already. Sure, Moore is sure-handed, but. . . Now it's up to the Steelers defense. . . 4:15 p.m.: Can Taylor actually catch a huge ball and intercept it? . . . Nah. . . A harbinger, to be sure. . . This isn't the same Cassel as the first half, or last year's New England game. No, the Chefs deserve to win this -- and they will, after that long pass to Chambers.

4:18 p.m.: Suck-up's kick, of course, is good. Chefs, 27-24. They hadn't won back-to-back games in more than two years. Heck, they've mostly beaten the lowly Raiders the past two years. The Steelers need some soul-searching now.

They are 2-3 on the road, and they only played well once -- in Denver. They are two drastically different teams, especially on defense, home vs. road. And they now have their second two-game losing skid of the season.

Worse, they have imperiled their playoff chances. At Baltimore and at Miami look far more daunting now. And, geesh, could at Cleveland, too?

 

Great googly-moogly, indeed.


Posted Nov 22 2009, 12:54 PM by Chuck Finder

Comments

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 1:06 PM

YOU SCMUCKS ON THIS BLOG KEEP TELLING ME SOMEONE SHOULDN'T BE FIRED OVER THIS SPECIAL TEAMS UNIT?  THIS SPECIAL TEAM SUCKS!!!!!

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 1:10 PM

Quit making excuses and trying to analyze it.  The Steeler organization needs to do something because Tomlin won't.  There is no excuse for sticking with failure and our special teams are a FAILURE!  

Louder_Is_Bestest wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 1:11 PM

This team is officially a joke. Horrible special teams, and the offense comes out exactly like it did against Cincy - no running game and Roethlisberger making horrible throws/decisions.

No playoffs this year.

masst26 wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 1:11 PM

well this game is pretty much going to be over, and its the Chiefs... oh well this season is over anyway.

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 1:17 PM

I think the Steelers thought they would just roll in and take it to K.C.  Looks like they are in for a shock and anyone who thinks they will  make the playoffs with this type of play is in for a big disappointment.  This team is not playing like a team, plain and simple.

jeffs wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 1:22 PM

I just come in from stringing Christmas lights and I see a kickoff was returned for a TD and now a Wallace fumble. Sounds like this team may need a serious attitude adjustment. IF they make the playoffs they'll be one and done at this level of play. A suggestion, kickoff out of bounds, you'll save 7 points and at least give the defense a chance at stopping KC.

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 1:24 PM

No way they make the playoffs with the way they are playing on offense and special teams.  This goes to coaching in my opinion, they just haven't looked sharp, it is what it is.

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AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 1:40 PM

Very, very telling that they are struggling against a team like the Chiefs.  I'll repeat what every analyst on T.V. and radio keep saying, the Steelers have no identity right now on offense.  They don't have balance and they can't seem to decide what to do.  They cannot keep kicking field goals and expect to win, it won't happen.

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 1:53 PM

Special Teams coach needs to be fired, plain and simple.  Getting rid of one back up linebacker on special teams will do nothing to change this unit.  It starts from the top down, a.k.a. coaching.  Players aren't lane disciplined, don't force runners to where the coverage is called, and tackling is horrible.  That all goes to coaching........

oldtimer67 wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 2:32 PM

Way to give up in the 1st quarter, you numbskulls.

You all should be sentenced to spend the rest of your lives in Oakland.

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 2:43 PM

No one's giving up Oldtimer, just stating the obvious with this team.  Oh yeah, the Chiefs just rolled right down the field and scored.  So much for the numbskulls.........

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:08 PM

THAT'S WHAT THE EMPTY SET IN SHOTGUN FROM THE REDZONE GETS YOU!  NO RUNNING GAME = BETTER CHANCE TO LOSE!!

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:10 PM

The lack of sticking to any semblance of a run game in the redzone is absolutely killing the Steelers.  Die hard fans can make all the excuses they want but not running the ball in the redzone is killing the Steelers this year, plain and simple.  

Louder_Is_Bestest wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:14 PM

Roethlisberger's play is indefensible. What kind of idiot throws into quadruple coverage?

Stupidity and typical carelessness have made this a game, when it should be a blowout.

This is not a playoff-caliber team, let alone a Super Bowl contender. Super Bowl chumps.

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:15 PM

Air under the ball to RM?  Are you not watching the game?  They got our lineman on a holding call on that play, it wouldn't have counted anyway!  

oldtimer67 wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:17 PM

"just stating the obvious".

So why state it? All of you are weathervanes. You change every 2 minutes.

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:17 PM

You better give KC their due.  I'm tired of hearing how the Steelers lost the game and how the other team didn't win it.  Teams know exactly how to play Pittsburgh anymore, they know we refuse to stick with the run game and they can drop in coverage on our empty shotgun sets.  It is what it is but give the other team it's due, they force the turnovers and mistakes.

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:19 PM

Oldtimer, because you can't see the obvious so I must state it for you.........

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:23 PM

I know you're not making it all up but I'm a little aggravated over here and it's driving me crazy that we are not handing the Chiefs their perverbial rear ends in this game........it's like I'm in bizarrro world.

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:29 PM

If you're not going to run him (RM) then throw it to him because that kid is this teams future!  Nice catch RM, stick with him BA, he gets it done!  Now we need to squib kick it.......

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:37 PM

Is anyone else sitting here in dis-belief on what the Chiefs are doing here?!?!

Louder_Is_Bestest wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:51 PM

This is, simply put, a mediocre football team.

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:58 PM

It's almost like you already know the outcome of this game without watching it......

sonnydrysdale wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:03 PM

The Oline is regressing rapidly

sonnydrysdale wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:08 PM

As I said the Oline is awful, now Bens hurt

buccjoe21 wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:08 PM

Regardless of the outcome of this game, this season is over.  Do ypu really think this team os gping to beat the Ravens next week?

JBM425 wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:09 PM

For those of you who forget the "Chefs" reference, see this Snickers ad on YouTube at www.youtube.com/watch

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:14 PM

Pathetic call on third down.  A pitch to Moore?!  Give me a break, don't try and win the game or anything like that B.A.  

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:17 PM

THERE GOES THE PLAYOFFS........SEE YOU ALL NEXT YEAR!

OKEL DOKEL wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:23 PM

This team is pretty mediocre. I agree AFPilot no playoffs. You cannot give up a kickoff return for a TD and expect to get things done.

Nice job getting fat and stupid in the offseason. Hopefully, this loss will get the Front Office's attention, but I doubt it will.

ntcfm1 wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:24 PM

I TOTALLY AGREE - WAVE GOODBYE TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!  THIS SEASON WAS OVER WHEN THEY RE-SIGNED THAT HORRIFICALLY BAD MAX STARKS!!!!  SUPERBOWL HANGOVER AGAIN!!!  REMEMBER WHEN WE LOST TO THE 2-WIN RAIDERS IN 2006?

FIRE THE SPECIAL TEAMS COACH NOW!!!!!  RIGHT NOW!!!!

jeffs wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:24 PM

Where do you begin after this? Special teams, defense, offense(ive), coaching? Perhaps all of the above? Frankly, at this level of performance, I don't want to see this team make the playoffs for a game, and that is all it would be, one game. Yep, we had a great bounce back game by Ben today. Sadly, we could've put distance between ourselves and Baltimore today. But should've, could've, would've we didn't. I felt there would be 2 teams going to the playoffs from this division but after today, I think there's only going to be one and sadly, it's Cincy.

Five Hole wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:25 PM

two words -"Fire Arians" four more " fire special teams coach" and i don't care to hear Big Ben say " this ones on me" That entire team needs to wake up and realize they're LAST years champs!

AFPilot wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:26 PM

JUST REMEMBER, WE STILL HAVE THE PENS!  GO PENS!

jeffs wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:27 PM

ntcfm1 wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live

on 11-22-2009 9:24 PM

I TOTALLY AGREE - WAVE GOODBYE TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!  THIS SEASON WAS OVER WHEN THEY RE-SIGNED THAT HORRIFICALLY BAD MAX STARKS!!!!  SUPERBOWL HANGOVER AGAIN!!!  REMEMBER WHEN WE LOST TO THE 2-WIN RAIDERS IN 2006?

FIRE THE SPECIAL TEAMS COACH NOW!!!!!  RIGHT NOW!!!!

Which one, aren't there two?

hwilson wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:27 PM

Fire Tomlin and he can take Arians and the special teams coach with him and bring in Whis--who should have had the job over the man with a golden tongue.  All he does is TALK!!!

Freedoman wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:36 PM

Looks like another Super Bowl hangover for the steel boys. Even the defense is pathetic now too to complete the pathetic trifecta.

Ariens Dumb wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:37 PM

Yes I know I misspelled his name.  This guy must go, dumbest Offensive guru in the league.  Throwing the ball 40 + plus times a game will lead to losses 70% of the time.  

Coach Tomlin, do the right thing, fire this moron.

jeffs wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:40 PM

I can't blame the defense on this one. Special teams and offense yes, defense no. I just saw on ESPN that they're saying Troy is out for a month. No SB defense if that's the case.

oldtimer67 wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:41 PM

AFPilot, I know this will be hard for you to believe...but you`re not the only genius here. I`m perfectly capable of seeing the obvious. I just prefer not to give up until the game is over.

You probably missed a great drive at the end of the Super Bowl last year, after you turned off your TV and crawled under the bed. .

Now, as to this game, I give up. That`s `cause...it`s over.

And hwilson: As for firing Tomlin....that`s absurd. Just plain stupid. He`s the same coach he was last year. We won a lot of nailbiters last year and we`re losing them this year. Did Tomlin tell Ben to throw into quadruple coverage, you moron? Did he tell Troy to get hurt? Or Kemo? Yer an idiot.

ntcfm1 wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:42 PM

Jeffs, I would have to say both.  You absolutely fire Ligashesky.  Is promoting Jones from Assistant to Coach really going to change things?  I don't think so.  The Steelers need to go out and bring someone new in.

Dump Max Starks too.

Anyone else still mad at the decision to play Polamalu in the worthless Browns game instead of resting him 2 more weeks?

jeffs wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live

on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:27 PM

FIRE THE SPECIAL TEAMS COACH NOW!!!!!  RIGHT NOW!!!!

Which one, aren't there two?

Ariens Dumb wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:42 PM

Nothing wrong with the D, they miss Smith and Troy but still solid. the problem is coaching on the offense and forget about spcial teams.  Tomlin is still green too.  Noice call on 3rd down in OT - running the toss sweep with your slowest tailback, hey Brucie nice call.

oldtimer67 wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:56 PM

ntcfm1: This just in: Polamalu did not re-injure the same ligament last week. He was pretty much fully recovered from the opening-game injury, as evidenced by his play against Denver. (I guessed you missed that game?) So the decision to play him against Cleveland had NOTHING to do with a different injury weeks later against Cincinnati.

Do you understand or shall I take it s...l...o...w...e...r?

BlackandGoldDonald wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:58 PM

The problems with the Steelers is simple, fire the offensive coordinator and special teams coach. Way too much throwing the ball, and what can you say about the special teams. For some reason, Tomlin and Arians love playing Dan Marino. Trouble is, that's not winning football, ask Dan. You have to run the ball to throw the ball, not the other way around. For those of you critizing Max Starks, he has had a very good season, one or two bad games don't change the good season he's had. When you throw the ball, and  defenses do what the Chiefs and Bengals did, and blitzed all the time, you have to use the running game more. Rashard did have near 100 yards today, so the running game could have been used more. ARIANS NEEDS TO GO!!!!!

hwilson wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:15 PM

Old timer,

wake up--Tomlin is the head coach--all he does is talk a good game.  This team was not ready to play today and that is Tomlin's responsibility.  He "guaranteed" to fix special teams and what did he do?? Call up a practice squad linebacker.  He is great with words--probably how he got the job but has NO substance.  He has FINAL say on players, offensive and defensive calls--which includes special teams.

He should have never gotten this job over Whis and we all know it.  Whis almost beat us with a vastly inferior team last year.  He is a deer in headlights on the sideline.

NYCSteelersFan wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:28 PM

Injuries are part of the game and it' obvious to everyone that this D just isn't the same w/o Troy back there. But worse, there's no one else in our secondary that can hold onto a potential interception! Clark dropped anothe rone today (albeit a tough grab, but a lot of other dbs make that pick) and Taylor (the worst hands on a db I've ever seen) dropped a pick he clearly had the play right before the 61 yard play that the Chiefs made to set up the winning FG.

Troy basically carries that secondary and is disruptive enough when he's in there that it takes the focus off the others (Harrison, Woodley, etc) to make plays.

It's been a rocky ride since 43 hurt his knee on the flukiest of all plays...a blocked FG attempt. Like we get so many of those?! It was a precursor to what lay ahead.

At the end of the day it begins and ends with coaching. The coaches are accountable, so I agree wholeheartedly with all hear calling for the special teams coach to be fired and of course for Arians as well. Week after week, the playcalling remains vanilla, unimaginitive, and with little proof to gamplanning for an opponent. Mendenhall has emerged as a threat w. the ball in his hands, but they simply don't give him enough touches and try and pop him to the outside enough. The majority go straight up the middle.

I've been calling for a pitch-wide for weeks and the time BA finally calls it is on a third and 2 in OT to Moore. UGH!

Tomlin has to take control of this team as it begins to spiral out of control and he should begin by firing the special teams coach or coaches. Bobby April paid with his job in the Cowher era. Sometimes a change needs to be made. The expression goes "you can't fire the players", so the coach has to go.

I said this last week and I"ll say it again, I really hope we don't make the playoffs this year, so that changes will finally be made. The O-line has regressed, though it lost TWO starters today, but Ben almost got killed today. If was under pressure all day and is gonna have to learn to slide if he's going to run.

I just don't know how Arians escapes culpability each week and isn't on the hot-seat?! I'd love to hear the conversation between he and Tomlin after week about the offenses deficiencies. Either he's really convincing or Tomlin's an idiot?! At this point I simply don't know which.

It's so difficult to watch things go so bad before anything gets addressed. In retrospect, this whole season has been very frustrating to watch.

OKEL DOKEL wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:29 PM

hwilson - plain and simple you are wrong. Tomlin has made many mistakes this year I grant you, but he was vastly superior to the Whiz in the interview process and deserved the job.

We won the Super Bowl and almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

BTW - the Cardinals are not vastly inferior - they have the two best receivers in the league.

NYCSteelersFan wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:52 PM

When is it going to dawn on any of the Steelers coaches that Ben throwing the ball 40+ a game isn't resulting in wins?! When's the last time it appeared a play BA called worked without Ben having to escape a rush, buy time and make something happen? And let's begin with the empty backfield formation. UGH! Nuff said!

Make a commitment to the run and RUN THE DARN BALL! With Willie healthy and Moore in there on third down, we need an offensive coordinator that will scheme for the running game first and the passing game second. Arians is clearly not that coach!

It's not a "Super Bowl hangover!" That's the stupidest excuse anyone has ever coined! Last year we won despite Arians playcalling, not due to it. This year we're not having the same luck as defenses are scheming us differently.

If Ben is the franchise, we're playing fast and loose with his chances for a long-time career. Fire Arians! Commit to a running game! And draft some stud linemen in April 2010.

jeffs wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 8:44 PM

Does anyone feel better that Cincy lost to Oakland today? Nah, me either!

Freedoman wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 9:29 PM

Nothing wrong with the defense? They gave up two long drives to the Chiefs today which cost them the game, one in over-time. They gave up 20 points in 22+ minutes TO THE CHIEFS.

jeffs wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 10:15 PM

Freedoman wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live

on 11-23-2009 2:29 AM

Nothing wrong with the defense? They gave up two long drives to the Chiefs today which cost them the game, one in over-time. They gave up 20 points in 22+ minutes TO THE CHIEFS.

Maybe but take the kickoff return away and the 10 pts of the offensive turnover and you don't even have a close game. When does the offense start winning a few games because the defense can't bail their arses out 16 games a year.

jilted32 wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Sun, Nov 22 2009 10:23 PM

well Steelers are still playoff contenders after Cincinnati and Baltimore got  beaten...Cincinnati losing to the Raiders.  But the championship game this year should be Patriots v. Colts.

BlackandGoldDonald wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 9:34 AM

Well its the day after and the only good thing about yesterday is the Bengals lost too. I just read Gene Collier's column on the ineptitude in the Steelers game yesterday, and I agree with he and Hines Ward. The coaches lost that game yesterday, just as much as the players. How is our defense even put in a position with the "Chiefs" to even be put in that situation. I mean they held the Cheifs to 43 yards at the half, how much do they have to do. Well, offensive play calling is how. Throwing the ball so much results in the interceptions that happened, which kept the Cheifs in the game. The third down sweep was the most bone headed call yet. And at what point will Bruce Arians and Mike Tomlin understand you have to have a true balance to win in this league. The reason our running game is not effective is because we won't commit to it. Rashard would run for 7 or 8 yards on first down, and then we throw on 2nd and 3rd downs. How about this Bruce, how about run it down their throats until they bring the safties into the box and then go over the top; you think that might work you moron! The defenses that play us now play for us to run once and throw twice. If you notice the past 2 weeks they never brought their safties into the box because they knew we would not keep with the running game. So when I hear people criticizing our run game, they need only look no further than Arians and Tomlin. Mendenhall has proven he can carry the rock. The question Gene Collier asks is the right one, "So why don't we let him?"

BlackandGoldDonald wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 9:50 AM

For those of you criticizing the defense and saying Toy is why we are loosing, check the stats on NFL.com, we are now the #1 defense in the league, and that has been largely without Polomalu and Smith. Our problems simply lie with the offense and special teams. We throw the ball and and don't sustain drives, and that necessarily leaves the defense on the field more and makes them more vunerable. The other teams are pros too, even if they are the Chiefs. The more you see defensive coverage, the more you can defeat it. As I mentioned earlier, we held the Chiefs to 43 yds at half. Notice our defensive lapses have been in the second half, and that is entirely due to the offensive play calling. It was Ben's two int's that kept them in the game(both in the second half).

Either Tomlin directs Arians to run more, or he needs to fire him, no other way to turn this team around. And the special teams coach needs to go as well. I have heard a comment about the Steelers I thought I would never hear, we have no identity on offense, and their right, we are herky jerky at best. Tomlin, get back to Steeler football, and stop trying to turn Ben into the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Our job is not to get Ben or the receivers to the pro bowl, but to win championships. Our passing game should be important, but it is not the end all be all.

my opinion wrote re: Steelers-Chefs live
on Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:04 PM

I have a solution for the special teams and kickoff coverage.  Do an onside kick every time.  The opposition won't return it for a touchdown, nor get the ball past the 50 and once in a while we might get it.