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Minnesota -- how could a team with horns on its helmet call "tails?" -- won the toss and elected to receive. The temp is up to 55, and the sun makes it feel warmer. Game on.

FIRST QUARTER

1:03 p.m.:  The Vikings gave the defense three very different looks, including a little no-huddle. And you saw James Harrison and Troy Polamalu make big plays. That's the kind of start they sought. Ed Bouchette asked an interesting point as soon as Minnesota declined first-and-five and took an 8-yard gain on the opening play for second-and-two: Why not take the penalty and gain a down? 1:16 p.m.: The Legend that is Brett Favre is 1 for 2 with a sack. Steelers defense looking sturdy so far, but soon the Vikings will feed them -- and, specifically, Aaron Smith replacement Travis Kirschke -- a steady diet of Adrian Peterson runs.1:22 p.m.: Harrison -- after LaMarr Woodley had the pressure -- and Polamalu, who appears to be wearing the knee brace this time (can you folks watching TV tell better?), are atop their games so far like they haven't been yet this season. Credit Gerry Dulac with the nickname for the Minnesota punter: Chris Kluwe-less. His punt to his own 39-yard line may have received a generous spot. (To answer ChiTown: Yes, even Mike Tomlin thought the right tackle lifted up prematurely on that snap, and let the side judge know about it.) 1:32 p.m.: It's the Mike Wallace Show. Nice, and critical, catch for 10 yards on third down. Then, after the Minnesota challenge that failed, a lovely flanker reverse -- with a dandy block by Santonio Holmes downfield. Willie Parker is in for this series, but still the question remains: Why aren't the Steelers challenging left cornerback Karl Paymah, Antoine Winfield's replacement whom Baltimore and Joe Flacco alighted for most of his 385 yards last week, includding 244 yards in the second half. 1:37 p.m.: A Heath Miller pass-interference penalty on the opposite end of the field wiped away Holmes' TD catch and run, and a sack left it to the foot of you know how. An eight-play, 18-yard drive ended when Jeff Reed punched through a 39-yard field goal. Steelers, 3-0. 1:39 p.m.: The Steelers coverage has been exemplary, but Percy Harvin has enough jets that he just might get past the first wave one of these times.

SECOND QUARTER

1:48 p.m.: Well, the Vikes ran Peterson and a quick, off-tackle play, and that one time it worked well (though why he slowed and shifted, I'll never know). The Battling LeBeaus seem to have them pretty well sniffed out otherwise, though. 1:51 p.m.: The play-calling on that Steelers series wasn't so bad. They do need to run, and they're holding back on those counter plays, apparently. And Roethlisberger, who isn't as sharp as he has been thus far this season, threw one into Vikings hands to Miller and the other high and slightly behind Hines Ward, who dropped the ball when clouted from behind. One thing to look for, though. Bruce Arians may try to play this one closer to the vest because it is shaping up to be a defensive, low-scoring game. (To me, with Favre and Peterson on the field, though, that can change in an eye-blink.) 1:54 p.m.: That's why he's a Legend. Favre, with Willie Gay flying at him in a delayed corner blitz, Favre found and hit a wide open Harvin to end a 1-for-5 third-down run and convert a first down with a 28-yard completion. The old guy still has it. 1:58 p.m.: Getting the idea that Favre is going after Gay? That and the right middle. Not a thing in the areas of Ryan Clark and Ike Taylor. 2 p.m.: Brad Childress just sprinted down to the 15-yard line to call that timeout, he wanted one so badly. Wait, isn't there a rule about straying out of the coaching box? 2:03 p.m.: The quicksilver Peterson skitters into the end zone on third down for the first touchdown of the game. So ended a confidence-instilling, 13-play, 76-yard, 5:22 drive. Vikings, 7-3. 2:10 p.m.: Sixty-five yards of Steelers offense so far -- no, that isn't going to cut it. You folks are correct, the defense -- against that massive Minnesota line -- will wear down at this rate come the second half. Maybe the no-huddle, or at least a varied play-calling that doesn't leave the Steelers' offense subject to seven-man blitzes. 2:21 p.m.: That third-down conversion, after the Steelers' 1-for-5 start, was all Mewelde Moore. And he bears watching: He declined all week to talk about his former team, so methinks he feels he has a little extra oomph for this one. 2:23 p.m.: Sure, a 22-yard pass for a first down to Wallace -- his Show continues -- but by now you can tell Roethlisberger, who made his career with plays afoot, didn't throw a sharp ball there. . . . But he threw a nifty one, with time, to Wallace for the go-ahead touchdown that dropped over two defenders and into the post-pattern arms of Wallace, snarled up the Vikings safeties and allowed the rookie to perform a somersault into the end zone with 24 seconds left in the half. Steelers, 10-3. But they did just leave The Legend 24 seconds to work. 2:26 p.m.: Excuse me while I update my resume to remove that "potential Offensive Coordinator" career move. Childress has Favre take a knee. Halftime, Steelers 10-7.

THIRD QUARTER

 2:43 p.m.: What is this, 1992 all over again? Or 1992-2006? The Steelers are running, and effectively. Not a bad block by Roethlisberger on the reverse that the Vikings knew was coming -- and still that Paymah was called for a facemask. Man, there's a guy you attack all day. . . Nifty run by Roethlisberger, seeing the left side of the field wide open, but Benny Sapp dived through the air to elicit an unsportsmanlike penalty. He was even guilty of a charging penalty that an NHL ref called from Mellon Arena. 2:47 p.m.: That second-down play prompts questioning after the game -- did Wallace or Hines Ward run a wrong route in the right corner to cause Roethlisberger to refrain from throwing? did the QB worry about his fourth batted pass of the day? or was it a pass-run option, and Roethlisberger chose to tuck and run? One other thing: They ran the ball so well, outside of one crunching tackle, why go away from it compeltely in the Red Zone? . . . It's a record day in one capacity: The 65,597 attendance marks a Heinz Field record, surpassing by 247 the AFC championship game attendance last January and by 487 the Tennessee season opener last month. . , Reed's 27-yard field goal extends the lead a tad, but not enough to feel comfortable around The Legend and Peterson. Steelers, 13-7. 2:59 p.m.:  That fourth-down play was vintage Favre. He pump-faked to freeze Polamalu for one step, and that allowed Sidney Rice to flash open behind the defense. 3:01 p.m.: Riddle me this: You got the best running back since maybe Barry Sanders, in Peterson, and you throw two of the three downs from the 1-yard line? The Steelers don't care. They made a stand and came away with the lead still. A moral victory, indeed. Don't fail to notice the Vikings put together another 13-play drive and they're 6 of 13 on third downs, meaning they've converted five of their past seven before failing on this last goalline play. The Minnesota field goal makes it Steelers, 13-10, with -- hmm, a harbinger? -- 4:44 left in the quarter.3:09 p.m.: Somebody in the press box is worried. They just cued up "Renegade," which Ryan Clark earlier this week noted is a sure signal that it's time to focus and bear down. (And, for the record, there are 17 minutes, 59 seconds of regulation left. Premature Styx, perhaps?) 3:14 p.m.: Harvin was already dropped that perfectly lovely, third-down throw by Favre, but Clark sure got into Harvin's bad shoulder and his head -- the rookie may not catch many more over the middle today, if at all. Steelers offense needs a prolonged drive and, it would help their cause, a score. 3:17 p.m.: The Steelers have piled up runs of 17, 16 and 14 -- and immediately after that last Mendenhall gallop around right end, behind stellar blocking, with a badly-thrown, badly-called halfback-release pass?

FOURTH QUARTER

3:21 p.m.: Right after an electric play by Holmes, who eluded six would-be tacklers -- or, from the Minnesota vantage point, six blown potential tackles -- Mendenhall followed with an ill-advised leap. He lost the ball in mid-air, and the Vikings recovered at their own three. This could present a HUGE point turnaround, and possibly even the game, in one play. We shall see. But, of course, Mendenhall and fumbling aren't exactly strangers. (Search his name along with "bounty" and "tucked." ) 3:27 p.m.: Lawrence Timmons twice stopped, and crumpled once, trying to get off the field with a bad, right ankle. And that's one position where the Steelers aren't exactly blessed with depth (where have you gone, Larry Foote?) You certainly do get the feeling The Legend is going to lead them on a 97-yard drive here. Good thing Harrison came to play at a Defensive Player of the Year level, and a holding penalty just negated that long Favre completion to Rice -- more than a 50-yard swing. 3:36 p.m.: That was a smart challenge, the proper review and a heck of a throw and catch, a 25-yard gain for a third down -- after penalties on three of four Minnesota snaps. It's their game for the taking now. 3:39 p.m.: Kirschke limped off, something with his left ankle, shin or foot, and that stands as another bad sign for the Steelers defense. Nick Eason, a third-teamer cut twice already this season, is playing left defensive end in the Red Zone agiansttwo of the game's best all-time offensive players? 3:41 p.m.: Get this, if the Packers do score a touchdown, they'll have gained almost 130 yards this drive, overcoming four penalties. Look at that, I just typed Packers. 3:43 p.m.: Universal reaction: Are you kiddin' me? Brett Keisel got credit for the sack and strip, LaMarr Woodley got no style points -- it was no Harrison Super Bowl Polamalu play -- but his fumble return of 77 yards with a cordon of defensive blockers makes it Steelers, 20-10. Harrison, by the way, lay on his back around midfield in glee afterward. The first non-defensive player to congratulate Woodley? Mendenhall. Who probably should buy him dinner. Some new clothes. . . Kirschke has a calf and Timmons has an ankle, as Coach Cahr used to say. They're done for the day. By the way, Bart Simpson has a cow.

3:47 p.m.: That buzz didn't last long.

Harvin's 88-yard kickoff return for a touchdown -- the second against the Steelers in two weeks, remember -- brought the positive vibes down. And it also brought down back judge Richard Reels, who got accidentally clouted by backup Minnesota tight end Jeff Dugan. Interestingly, one of the Vikings front-line blockers, sorry I didn't catch a number, signaled for Harvin to move up just before Reed ran up to the ball. So he read something on the coverage-unit call or alignment. . . Also note that Reed didn't slow down Harvin with that mild midfield push, and he normally gives the rest of his coverage unit a fighting chance.

3:52 p.m.: For the second game in a row, carrying the fourth-quarter ball in the ground game is. . . neither Mendenhall nor Parker, who has been noticeably absent since the earlygoing. It was Moore.3:57 p.m.: Credit Justin Hartwig's knee for knocking that horrendously loose footbal out of bounds.That saved the Steelers roughly 30 yards in a game with a field-goal difference. Still and all, you give Brett Favre the ball and 3:21? He can score six touchdowns in that time. 4:01 p.m.: "Renegade" twice? Is that kosher? Look at it this way: Not just third and 4, but in the final two minutes, a less-than-2008 defense with Keyaron Fox and Eason playing must make a stand. 4:04 p.m.: Time to update that resume again, to add "potential Nostradamus." Fox went 82 yards with a pass that went from Favre to Chester Taylor -- a former Baltimore Raven, remember -- to Fox's belly, and he bolted down the left sideline without needing a single block downfield from personal escort Clark. Steelers, 27-17.  4:12 p.m.: It's ovah. Score this one: Patchwork Pittsburgh defense 14, Steelers offense 13 (for a home total of 27), Vikings 17.

 


Posted Oct 25 2009, 11:50 AM by Chuck Finder

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chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:08 PM

Greetings Steelers fans......Great play by harrison chasing Peterson down from the backside. On a side note, the goal today is to stay calm and collected. Apologies if I offended anyone with my earlier tirades this season.

steelergal wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:12 PM

you are an officer and a gentleman chitownsteel...if you are a guy I'm hoping.

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:22 PM

Offense is starting slow and I'll say this, the longer the Steelers take to put points on the board, especially after that field position, the harder it will be to win.  The first 2 punts have been somewhat sub-par as well.

steelergal wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:24 PM

Our defense looks stellar so far..come on offense

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:24 PM

anyone else think it was a false start on the right tackle on play minnesota converted that third down

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:34 PM

i think a mike wallace jersey may be in my near future.....gotta love this kid

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:37 PM

I don't know what they are play calling but it's horrible, they are throwing beautiful field position away.  FWP looks like he has no idea where to run.  Nothing but mistakes so far, and of course Ben gets sacked........

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:40 PM

take the 3 but need the 7.....totally agree with the comment about fwp on that sweep. it sure looks like he had room if he cut hard up the field instead of running behind his blocker. but i guess thats why he gets paid millions of dollars to run a football and i am typing on this computer

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:41 PM

What's wrong with the zebras?  They can have two defenders on a guy, one of them STANDS IN THE WAY of a pass route, and it's interference on the offense??

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:41 PM

What's the deal with taking RM out of the backfield?  He runs exceptionally when you give him the chance and when he finally starts doing well they put in FWP who has no idea where the holes are anymore.  That run to the left where we had 3 O-linemen if front of FWP and trips over one of them.  LEAVE RM IN AND WHEN HE  GETS TIRED LET FWP HAVE A FEW.  

steelergal wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:42 PM

you took the words out of my mouth..or typing fingers regarding the pass interference call. I never have cared for Ron Winters as ref.

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:44 PM

Did BA even watch the game tape of what the Ravens did against this team in the 2nd half last week?  He should have because this secondary is big time suspect without Winfield and the playcalling isn't pressing that issue.  Running bubble screens won't test it because they bring DB's uo with the safety.

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:44 PM

But at least one of the announcers agrees with the ref.

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:46 PM

That's TWO on Snack.  What's up???

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:54 PM

Not making an excuse for Hines but he's wide open, no ecuse why that ball can't hit him in the chest where he doesn't have to get cut in half by the DB.  Being nit picky and HW would say he's got to make that catch but why should it be hard if he's wide open.......

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:56 PM

offense hasn't looked to hot on their first couple series......every game i have a hard time figuring out BA and his play calling.

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:57 PM

What kind of blitz was that by Wil Gay?  Horrible play.  He gave up that first down pass alone by that horrible blitz, now the field position has turned.  

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:57 PM

SCARY!!  NE's already up 21-0 after 59-0 last week.  It's 2007 all over again.

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:59 PM

Chitown, I think Ben makes BA's playcalling look better than it really is, plain and simple.  Wil Gay looks horrible out there and they are starting to pick on him now.

steelergal wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:59 PM

the vikings are looking way too comfortable right now

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:59 PM

notice how the offensive coordinator is adjusted to what the steelers d is showing them......our corners are playing off by 7-10 yards so he runs quick screen passes and short out routes

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 1:59 PM

notice how the offensive coordinator is adjusted to what the steelers d is showing them......our corners are playing off by 7-10 yards so he runs quick screen passes and short out routes

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:01 PM

This game is starting to turn, you feel the momentum changing.....and momentum is a game killer.  The defense will get tired being out there so much, guaranteed.

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:02 PM

I'm not impressed with William Gay this year.  He's soft in coverage and doesn't blitz well.

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:03 PM

it would be interesting if NE actually played real teams......two 0-for teams in a row. still waiting for an angry DE / outside LB to take out their anger about the nfls soft qb rules to take it all out on the pretty boy tool

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:04 PM

We need to go no-huddle when we get it back.  Put it in Ben's hands.  Leave Bruce out of the equation.

Displaced Yinzer wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:07 PM

Anyone know a good live stream to watch the game?

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:07 PM

You could see that coming, only a matter of time before AP gets in.  Too bad it's in the second quarter.  Let's see how the offense responds, they at least need to get a few first downs to give the defense some rest.  The offense looks like it did before this 3 game win streak started.   It's like they start very slow and get better but the Vikings will start to move the ball better so the Steelers need to try and keep up.  AP will eventually start to get going, happens when the defense starts getting tired.  

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:09 PM

Seeing the NFL portray the Patriots as the team of the United States makes me feel Canadian

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:12 PM

wow the offense comes out a shoots another blank......am i reliving last year mid season

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:12 PM

Play calling looks so predictable today, they aren't masking anything.  Now the defense is back on the field after a 1 minute rest.  I wouldn't be surprised to see the Vikings push the pace.  The offense is losing this game for us right now.

steelergal wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:12 PM

hey chitownsteel..that comment is priceless..ha

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:16 PM

The offense is looking like it did the first couple of weeks to me.  Maybe the last few games agianst really weak teams have scewed the perception.  The offense hasn't done well against a good team yet this year.  Today is proving that so far.

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:19 PM

Let's hope the Steelers offense can go into halftime on a good note.  You don't have to put points up but you have at least gain a first down or two.  

Louder_Is_Bestest wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:23 PM

Never again do I want to hear how the Steelers have an "explosive" offense. It's terrible. They've had trouble scoring points all year - which you can do against the likes of Cleveland, Detroit, and the now-crummy Titans - but any decent team they've played their failures have cost them.

It's looking no different today. Whereas in the past few weeks they put up yardage, they failed with the points. Today they're failing on both fronts.

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:23 PM

i wasn't nervous about this game because of peterson or old man river (favre) but because the majority of the so-called "experts" on espn, si, and yahoo all picked the steelers to win

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:25 PM

Roethlisberger is not sharp.  Even on that play, he threw to a wide-open guy and put it so low it was almost dropped.

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:25 PM

What was I saying??  Make a fool outta me, Ben!!!  

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:26 PM

THAT'LL WORK TOO!  THAT KID WALLACE IS RIDICULOUS GOOD, HE KNOWS HOW TO RUN ROUTES AND FIND OPEN SPACE!

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chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:30 PM

wallace is just money.....he is hines' heir apparent

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:36 PM

Teams need to forget about the soft zone and 4 man rush.

Wallace is unconscious today. Yes, he's Ward's eventual replacement.

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:42 PM

Just got here, Gang. Hope all is well with everyone.

Of course, I have the advantage of hindsight, knowing that the O just marched down the field and scored before halftime. But as I read some of the comments from the first half, I think we're being neurotic Steeler fans again. Lets not forget, the Vikings have a much better defense than we've been facing, for the last few weeks. And unofficially, our offense scored two touchdowns in the first half.  In my opinion, that penalty on Heath Miller was dubious. At halftime, Terry Bradshaw was saying how the Vikings D was playing to take away the deeper passes, until the Steelers found their soft spot across the middle with Wallace.

It's a game of countering and adjustments, gang. I think the game-calling by the coaches is fine. Now, as we get ready for the second half, my BIG worry is: will Adrian Peterson break out???

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:44 PM

Nice start to 2nd half.  Good return by Logan, good run by RM.

steelergal wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:44 PM

Hey Steeler pals, help me out with something. Do you remember the game against Titans, when Cowher was coach, when the ref called the Steelers for roughing the kicker on a field goal attempt to win the game? He had missed the field goal try but because of the call got another try and made it? It was in the play offs. Was Ron Winter the ref for that game? And is that the game where Cowher stuffed the picture into the refs pocket at the end of the game...

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:48 PM

steelergal i think it was actually a 12 men on the field call but i may be mistaken

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:49 PM

What was that?!  This series looked horrible.  Why stop running RM?!  I JUST DON'T GET IT!!!!

steelergal wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:50 PM

I could be wrong too..thought it was a roughing call. thanks

Field goals are not going to make it, we have to have TD's. What's up with Ben today guys??

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:51 PM

ok so RM reals off a couple 10 yard runs on the drive and then we get in a first and goal situation and he get no touches.....

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:51 PM

Damn, the drive was looking so good.

I think I'm not the first to notice this, but Ben has thrown some poor passes today. That third down miss to Ward was low, inside, and could have been picked off. It should have been over Hine's outside shoulder.

steelergal wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:53 PM

Steelers need to run the ball...Ben is out of sorts today. I thought the same thing on that drive, give the ball to RM

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:53 PM

we need one of those patented forced brett favre throws into triple coverage for a pick six

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:54 PM

Guys, RM's touches will continue to come. Can't become TOO obvious will the play-calling -gotta keep it mixed up.

noyinzer wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:57 PM

Not sure who the ref was in the Titans/Steelers' playoff game you're talking about (one of hte great all time dives by a kicker, BTW) but the Cowher Shirt Stuffing incident was in '98 against - the Vikings, IIRC.

steelergal wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 2:59 PM

Shocked they didn't call roughing the passer

steelergal wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:01 PM

thanks noyinzer. do you remember who the ref was and what the pocket stuffing incident was about?

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:02 PM

That 4th down was inexcuseable.  You cannot give up soemthing over the top like that.

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:07 PM

Wow, we dodged a bullet there.  Why they didn't keep giving it to AP, and why they didn't do it on 4th instead of kicking, I don't know, but we got off easy giving up just 3.  Good defensive stand.

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:07 PM

"That 4th down was inexcuseable."

Yep.

At least, thanks to Troy being Troy, the TD was prevented. That may loom large at the end of the game.

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:11 PM

Daryle Johnston doesn't know which team is on offense, and which is on defense. In general, he seems to blab too much with too little actual insight.

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:11 PM

It drives me crazy that we can't run for 2 yards?!  WHATEVER!

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:11 PM

Ben had Moore wide open on the sideline, instead threw into double coverage to Holmes.  He could have even run for it.

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:12 PM

McCarter was the referee in a regular season game between the Minnesota Vikings and Pittsburgh Steelers on September 24, 1995. Just before halftime on a Minnesota field goal attempt, line judge Ben Montgomery called a penalty on Pittsburgh for having 12 players on the field, a violation of the rules. Minnesota was able to score a field goal as a result of the penalty. Pittsburgh head coach Bill Cowher counted 11 players on the field, and in disgust, printed a photo to prove that 11 players were on the field. At halftime, Cowher ran by McCarter as they were going to the locker room and shoved a photo in McCarter's shirt pocket to show the referee the evidence. League rules did not allow using photographic evidence to overturn calls. - Wikipedia

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:14 PM

Someone explain too me how we can't even throw a 5 yard pass for 2 yards on a 3rd and 2.  Ben could have ran for it for pity's sake?!  This better not turn out to be another 4th quarter nail biter.  The Steeler offense is allowing the Vikings to stay in the game, no other reason.  

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:17 PM

25 Ka-BOOM!!!

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:19 PM

Ben is really having trouble throwing short passes today.  Just an observation but he's trying to force the short ones to precisely.  That little dump to RM was there and he tried to lead him way too much instead of hitting him in the numbers and letting him create YAC.

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:21 PM

I hope that bum swing-pass to Rashard on second down, gets the bad passes out of Ben's system. I'm with ya Gang, Number 7 is in a little bit of a funk.

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:22 PM

That's the Santonio I know and love to watch!!!!!

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:24 PM

OMIGOD, Mental Hall, hold onto the damn ball!!!

Way to kill a drive.  Way to turn the momentum the other way.  

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:24 PM

wow that really hurts

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:24 PM

Unreal, just when I sing RM's praises he fumbles on a first and goal!  THIS TEAM CANNOT CLOSE ANYONE OUT.  THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS!  ALMOST UNCANNY, THEY THROW THAT 4th Quarter stat up and the disaster begins.......

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:26 PM

Well, if Ben is "off", Rashard is AWFUL. That was a knife in the back! Should he be benched? This crap from him just continues...

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:26 PM

Watch them going 98 yards for 7, you can almost see it happening already ahead of time.  

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:28 PM

Taylor, turn around and get the damn ball!!

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:28 PM

Here they go, they will dink and dunk all the way to endzone.  You see it happening as I type this........

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:29 PM

And Timmons is hurt.  And it continues.

Louder_Is_Bestest wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:30 PM

This team is disgusting. They continually fail to score points when it matters, and the defense turtles at the most inoportune times.

You can just smell a 97-yard touchdown drive here.

This game's over.

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:31 PM

We lucked out on that one.  We can't make a play on defense right now.

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:32 PM

Wow, will you listen to Siragusa?  He's been pro-Viking all the way.  Of course, he IS a former Raven.

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:34 PM

HOW DOES RICE GET THAT OPEN?!  INEXCUSEABLE, THAT'S A FIRST DOWN AND THEY WILL WIN.

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:35 PM

The Vikings will win that challenge.  Why the %#*^ was he SO WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE OPEN on 4th and EIGHTEEN?????   And where was the pass rush???????

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:35 PM

im going to blow my top.....his feet look like were close to being in bounds.........no way on 3rd and 18 you can allow them to get the first down

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:36 PM

RICE is their #1 receiver and he's that open on a 4th and 18?  THEY ARE PATHETIC!  They have no idea how to close good teams out, plain and simple!

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:38 PM

I'm running out of things to say about the Steelers, they have forgotten how to dominate teams, plain and simple.

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:40 PM

I TOLD YOU, 97 YARDS FOR A TD AND THE WIN!  THEY HAVEN'T EVEN BLITZED ON THIS DRIVE YET!  THEY ARE LETTING THEM MOVE DOWN THE FIELD.

steelergal wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:42 PM

thanks chitownsteel for the info on the cowher stuffing the pocket incident...

I don't understand this team. They were so fired up in the first minutes of the game. Looked like the defense was on pace to have a record day...then our offense can't do anything, mistakes all over the place and here we are again in the 4th qtr, about to lose the game. But I will be a Steeler fan no matter what...they make me crazy

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:42 PM

defense cant get off the field on 3rd down which has been the case all season long..........they just march down the field from our 3 yard line. the key to this game was owning the time of possession and we clearly havent been able to deliver

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:45 PM

I TOLD YOU WE'D WIN!!!!!!!!!!

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:45 PM

HOLY %^&* WHAT A PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:47 PM

UNBELIEVABLE!  THEY READ MY POST!!!!!

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:47 PM

GIT DOWWWWWWN! THAT was shades of last year!! Way to go Big D!!!!!!!!!!

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:48 PM

AFPilot,

If THAT'S the way you call 'em, I say: keep callin' 'em Buddy! I'll take it!!!

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:49 PM

and just like that, we give it back.  Please fire the ST coach.

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:50 PM

WHAT A JOKE, I WAS RIGHT, THEY CAN'T CLOSE ANYONE OUT.  JEFF REED SHOULD BE CUT!

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:50 PM

Reed, you're a football player, play like one for Chrissakes!

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:51 PM

Looks like Jeff Reid didn't play today, afterall.

steelergal wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:53 PM

Not a championship team and as soon as we all admit and accept that, it will be easier to watch these games

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:53 PM

I GUESS SINCE HARVIN DIDN'T HAVE A BEER JEFF REED FIGURED THE TACKLE WASN'T WORTH IT!

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:54 PM

Here comes the standard 4th quarter 3 and out!

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:57 PM

I CAN'T BEGIN TO DESCRIBE HOW DISGUSTED I AM WITH JEFF REED RIGHT NOW.  HE DOESN'T NEED ANYMORE BAD PRESS AND HE'S GOING TO GET IT.

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 3:59 PM

if you cant cover the kicks when there is a big time returner......than dont kick the ball to them

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:00 PM

if you cant cover the kicks when there is a big time returner......than dont kick the ball to them

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:00 PM

Told ya!  3 and out!  Can we re-sign Jerome Bettis, make it really worth his while.......

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:01 PM

And there goes our last best hope.  I don't seriously think we can come up with another big play like that, we can't force them off the field on 4 downs, and we won't have time left to do anything.  Our chicken-bleep OC won't test a replacement QB the entire game.

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:01 PM

Vikings D-line got too much penetration on those plays. Moore got stopped for a loss on 2nd down, and Ben had to run for his life on 3rd.

Louder_Is_Bestest wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:03 PM

This is a dumb football team.

They won't be making the playoffs.

And they don't deserve to win this game.

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:04 PM

our boys getting dominated in time of possession in this game

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:04 PM

excuse me, I meant a replacement CB

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:05 PM

Right now the Steelers are playing not to lose, unlike last yer when they always thought they could win.  The Vikings remind me of the Steelers last year.  

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:05 PM

yet another 3rd down conversion......how does that taste mr william gay

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:07 PM

OMIGOD, Make a fool out of me!!  Again!! They pulled it off again!!!

AFPilot wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:07 PM

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!  I'M GOING TO KEEP BERATING THEM BECAUSE THEY MAKE BIG PLAYS EVERYTIME I DO.  I FEEL LIKE CHRIS COLLINSWORTH!!!

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:08 PM

Now SQUIB it!!!

Louder_Is_Bestest wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:09 PM

I just....this team....there has not been a game to put you through the emotional wringer like this one, with it's INSANE fourth quarter.

It's like neither team wanted to win, with all of these bad, dumb mistakes.

Nuttingstaxes wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:14 PM

Crazy, crazy 4th, but we pulled it out.  Now we can finally say we beat a good team.

Looks like we might have to use Ziggy, ready or not.

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:18 PM

Well, it was ugly. But like the guys in the booth said, both teams never gave up. They left it all out on the field. And the good guys won!

Also, if Mendenhall doesn't fumble, we put up an extra touchdown and breathe more easily. Ditto Jeff Reid's non-tackle.

Anyway, we beat a good team today. Still work to do. But ya gotta win some games like this. And we did.

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:28 PM

feels a bit like the dallas game last year......although we had the lead the entire time........we typically dont win the game when we lose the time of possession battle by this much........welcome to the nfl ziggy

jeffs wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:33 PM

Shouldn't be nit picking on the defense but 9-18 on 3rd down conversions isn't going to cut it.

jeffs wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:36 PM

On a positive note, Kirshke & Timmons have 2 weeks to get healthy.

chitownsteel wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:48 PM

the steelers haters are out and about complaining about the phantom tripping call before favre fumbled the ball......also the delay of game penalty on the steelers following drive......doesnt it seem like opposing fans love to hold on to crappy calls by the ref

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 5:02 PM

If folks are going to complain about bad calls, they better not forget the dubious one Heath Miller got called on that cost Holmes a TD catch.

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 5:28 PM

So not only did we survive a big test today (our defense bent but did not break -in particular, Peterson was held to 69 yards rushing), but we won without Big Ben having a stellar game. His stat line doesn't look poor, but those of us who saw it, know he had some shaky moments. Still, if Heath Miller doesn't get called for that "penalty,"and if Mendenhall doesn't cough up the ball in front of the goal line, our O gets two more TD's. So all in all, I think some big questions were answered today.

Gerry B wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Sun, Oct 25 2009 6:52 PM

I guess Jeff Reed should have a few drinks before the game to get his aggressiveness up. Nice tackle

noyinzer wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Mon, Oct 26 2009 12:14 AM

Ok, where do we start?  I KNOW!  I GOT IT!  I GOT IT <Jumps up and down, which is a pretty scary sight, with all the belly fat and man cans flopping around>

ROTHLISBERGER STINKS WORSE THAN BILLY STULL!  WE NEED THE WILDCAT!  BRING ON DENNIS DIXON!  CUT MENDENHALL AND RESIGN REDMAN!!! FIRE ARIANS  OH, AND KORDELL STEWART AND NEIL O'DONNELL STILL STINK!  WHILE WE'RE AT IT, IT'S ALL THE NUTTING'S FAULT!   IT'S ALL PART OF A SECRET PLAN BY THE FREEMASONS TO RUIN THE PENGUINS!!!

Sorry, I think the Space Aliens took me over there for a minute.  Or I was watching the game with my Dad...  I'm not sure which.

This was an EXTREMELY sloppy game with both the players and the coaches on both sides screwing up.   It lived up to the hype in the sense that it was entertaining, but these were two teams that knew they don't have an identity yet, and were trying to avoid losing, rather than win.

Obviously, Rothlisberger didn't have a great game.  Stuff happens.  The Vikes actually did a good job of containing him, and I expect to see more of that strategy from the good teams in the future - they went after his arm rather than trying to drag him down.  Rothlisberger is like a wildebeast when it's attacked by lions - he's too big to drag down.  But you go after the weak part - his arm, and it's a different story.

The Vikes have the players to pull it off.  That's what is called an adjustment.  It seemed to work pretty well.

I'm not sure what happened to Ward.  He dissapeared after he took that big hit (didn't hear he was hurt, but it's unusual not to see him make a catch or two.)  Miller and Wallace played well, but they're not in positions generally designed for big plays.  Particualary when the QB is throwing lawn darts.

Mendenhall fumbled AGAIN (hold onto the ball kid!) and I'm not sure exactly what Arians was thiking until about 2 minutes left in the first half.  They seem to have found something over the last three or four games,  around the right side, though.  Ripped off some big yardage plays, but didn't try it enough.

I am encouraged by the way the right side of the line is shaping up, but Kemoatu is still giving too many "Ole!" blocks when he pulls, and Hartwig still gets overpowered too often.

Of course, that Vikes defense is/was #1 against the run in the NFL, so they're pretty good. Running into the teeth of the Vikes' defense is the NFC equivalent of running into the teeth of the Steelers defense - you're probably not going to make a living doing it.  Still, with 13, 16 and 17 yard runs by Mendenhall, and two good reverses by Wallace until the Vikes started staying at home, I think they could have leaned on this a little more.  Especially when the QB is throwing lawn darts.

On the other side, did the Vikings' coaches forgot they have the biggest, meanest,  best running back in the league?  I mean, you have first and goal with five cracks at the end zone from  the 3 yard line, and you give Peterson the ball ONE TIME?  Then you kick a field goal from 6" away?  Pardon the vernacular, but "Please wench!"

Before the fourth quarter, they gave Petersonthe ball a total of 12 times.  For the game, they had Brettfarv" throw the ball 51 times total, despite rarely trailing by more than 3 points    Massive brain cramp.  Almost as bad as letting Tommy Maddox throw the ball 40 times in a snowstorm in 2003...

I was following the stats on NFL.com - at the half, the Steelers were up by 3.  Every stat was within 6 yards of each other, and TOP was only favoring the Vikes by about 3 minutes.  

Obviously, the stats didn't end that way - the Vikes dominated in every category except for the one that generally determines the game and the only one that counts - turnovers and points.  And usually, the team that throws it all over the yard in this type of game loses because they tend to turn it over more.

The Vikes didn't really move the ball until they started snapping it before the Steelers were set (which negates the zone-blitz - Brilliant strategy, BTW, I'm not sure why it's not tried more often) dinking and dunking and started handing it and throwing it to Peterson.  Doing that, they moved up and down the field.  Then all of a sudden, they stopped doing what worked (Thank Myron!)  

The Steelers offense never really go going, probably for the most part because Rothlisberger had a BAD day accuracy wise (he was high, low and behind on most throws.)  As usual, the Steelers' special teams were, well, let's just say bull special.  

I'm not going to pile on on Skippy - that would be too easy.  The Zebras were almost as bad as the Steelers' not so special teams (both ways.)  No, on second thought, the not so special teams were worse.

The Steelers made JUST enough plays - Wallace's TD catch, Keisel's strip and Fox's INT, to win the game, and one of those was because the Vikes' FB took his eye off the ball.  Is there a football god of bad hands?

BTW, for a "fast" LB core, I haven't seen such slow retuns by LBs since Andy Russell's TD in the first Terrible Towel game over 30 years ago.

Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.  Fortunately, there's no style points in the NFL, even if the cheerleaders generally are better looking than Tanith Belbin and Nichole Bobek combined.  Hopefully thought, we won't have to hear anymore about how great "Brettfarv" is, now that he's lost a game.

Well, I can dream, can't I?

JL wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Mon, Oct 26 2009 2:14 AM

You had me -but then lost me- at "man cans flopping around." Maybe Dan Gigler will provide pics???

noyinzer wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Mon, Oct 26 2009 4:04 AM

IWho is Dan Gigler, or should I say, Is Dan Gigler John Galt?

Who is John Galt?  And does he play QB for the Broncos, the Browns or the Bengals?

Dropping non-sequitors all over the place....  Chuck understands...

eyespy wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Mon, Oct 26 2009 8:15 AM

"Renegade" by Styx is an affront to all that is good and decent in the history of human achievement.

"(The Chastizing of) Renegade" by Primus, on the other hand, is a kick-a$$ song with a sublime bassline that is sure to fire up the team and the crowd:

www.youtube.com/watch

It would need to be sampled, because it's too long with too many slow parts for rah-rah purposes, but the refrain bass and guitar riffs are off the charts.

it's time for a new Renegade at the Mustard Bowl/Ketchup Bottle.

4httr wrote re: Vikings-Steelers, live
on Mon, Oct 26 2009 9:20 AM

Cribbs ran one back and now Harvin does the same. The Steelers cut Anthony Madison , a guy who was solid on special teams. They need to make a few changes in that unit which seems to get very complacent when it comes to making tackles.